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diff --git a/2008/031608.txt b/2008/031608.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..be918ab --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/031608.txt @@ -0,0 +1,499 @@ +[14:00] <NeddySeagoon> lets start +[14:00] <NeddySeagoon> Roll Call ... +[14:00] <Dr_Who> groovy +[14:00] <Dr_Who> tgall here +[14:00] <fmccor> Here +[14:00] * wltjr is present +[14:00] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ... +[14:01] <wltjr> it's noon out west, so either asleep or at the weekly bay area crew's BBQ if they are still having those :) +[14:01] <NeddySeagoon> We'll continue anyway ... the agenda is at http://xrl.us/bg25p +[14:01] <Dr_Who> yup .. least we have quorum +[14:01] <Dr_Who> NeddySeagoon, do you want a motion ? +[14:02] * vln (n=v1n@unaffiliated/vln) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:02] * omsai is here +[14:02] <NeddySeagoon> Dr_Who, I was just going to run through the agenda ... its been posted 2 weeks and no emails. +[14:02] <NeddySeagoon> 1. Introductions +[14:03] * fmccor looks for tsunam's contact info +[14:04] <NeddySeagoon> You can read about me http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/manifesto.xml thats my election manifesto +[14:05] <NeddySeagoon> I'm not going to paste to the channel unless there is some demand for it +[14:05] <Dr_Who> have to find the link with my intro / anifesto +[14:05] * wltjr points to his http://dev.gentoo.org/~wltjr/manifestos/2008_gentoo_board_of_trustees.xml (out of laziness) +[14:05] <Dr_Who> it's on the election page if anyone is curious +[14:06] * shpaq (i=shpaq@gentoo/user/shpaq) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:06] * fmccor points to his note accepting nomination +[14:07] <NeddySeagoon> Dr_Who, thats http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/elections/foundation-200802.xml +[14:07] <fmccor> Also linked from elections page. +[14:08] <NeddySeagoon> I can't find anything for tsunam +[14:08] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, did you contact tsunam ? +[14:08] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I can't find a contact for him. +[14:08] <Dr_Who> thought he had sent that via email +[14:08] * wltjr calls Josh +[14:08] <fmccor> So did I, but I don't see it. +[14:08] <NeddySeagoon> thanks ... +[14:09] <wltjr> fmccor: Subject: Records, etc. +[14:09] <wltjr> voicemail +[14:09] <NeddySeagoon> ok .. we tried +[14:10] <NeddySeagoon> Any more Introductions ? +[14:10] <wltjr> left a vm, he is mia, I think bailed to Mexico via Gentoo funds :) +[14:10] * Ken69267 (n=Ken69267@gentoo/developer/ken69267) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:10] <NeddySeagoon> Item 2 Vote of Thanks to Outgoing Trustees +[14:10] <Dr_Who> well lets hope not +[14:11] * welp (n=welp@gentoo/developer/colchester-lug.welp) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:11] * simple (n=simple@d226-31-5.home.cgocable.net) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:11] * DrEeevil (i=dreeevil@gentoo/user/bonsaikitten) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:11] <welp> DrEeevil: u2slow +[14:11] <NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a vote of thanks to the outgoing trustees and everyone who has helped to get the Gentoo Foundation off the ground. +[14:11] <DrEeevil> I r +[14:12] <Dr_Who> motion to acknowledge and deeply thank past trustees, and especially call out g2boojum for his help as we ste into our new roles +[14:12] * simple has quit (Client Quit) +[14:12] <fmccor> Second +[14:12] * Tatsh (n=Tatsh_zz@c-76-19-124-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:12] <Dr_Who> NeddySeagoon, least i presume we're using parliamentary procedure... +[14:13] <fmccor> And I vote for it. +[14:13] * wltjr votes Yeah +[14:13] <Dr_Who> i vote : yea +[14:13] <NeddySeagoon> Carried +[14:13] <tsunam> ^^^ for some reason thought it was 20:00 not 19:00 +[14:13] <tsunam> for the meeting +[14:13] <welp> tsunam: you fail. +[14:13] * welp hides +[14:13] <tsunam> welp: meh probably +[14:13] <Dr_Who> hey tsunam +[14:13] * fragalot beams at welp and tells him to behave. +[14:14] <welp> tsunam: probably due to the council meetings being at 20:00 +[14:14] <wltjr> tsunam: time wasn't mentioned in email, I think just on agenda page +[14:14] <welp> fragalot: ;) +[14:14] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, we have done item 1 and 2 ... would you like to say a few words of introduction +[14:14] <fmccor> It was in the email as a proposal. +[14:14] <welp> Ken69267: you suck +[14:14] <welp> ok, /me stfu +[14:14] * omsai shusses audience +[14:14] <Tatsh> so +[14:15] <Tatsh> what is going to be spoken of? +[14:15] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: nothing really...most people are aware of me, if they are not. I've been around the foundation/trustee's for quite a while and poked at them for long enough to try and get things accomplished so +[14:15] * Dr_Who points at topic for agenda +[14:15] <welp> Tatsh: http://xrl.us/bg25p +[14:15] <wltjr> fmccor: this is what I was referring to http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/msg_aa974a35dbb46f4b2d49f8ad1466eb31.xml +[14:15] <NeddySeagoon> Tatsh, The agenda in in /topic +[14:15] * vladms (n=vladms@200-112-dyn.ipact.nl) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:15] <wltjr> fmccor: I think the other with time might have been internal amongst us +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, thats very true - thanks +[14:16] <Dr_Who> NeddySeagoon, item 3? +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Announcement of Office Holders +[14:16] <Tatsh> well brb +[14:16] <wltjr> tsunam: you just didn't write a manifesto ;) we all diverted to that for our intros +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> We decided the following :- +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) President +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> Ferris McCormick (fmccor) - Vice President +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> Joshua Jackson (tsunam) - Treasurer +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> Tom Gall (tgall) - Secretary +[14:16] <NeddySeagoon> William L. Thomson Jr. (wltjr) - Director +[14:17] <Dr_Who> NeddySeagoon, i believe since ths is our first forma meeting, we do need motion and vote to approve that +[14:17] * Tatsh has quit (Remote closed the connection) +[14:17] <Dr_Who> which I so move :-) +[14:17] <fmccor> So moved. +[14:17] <welp> wait, who's Dr_Who and why does he have ops? +[14:17] <NeddySeagoon> Dr_Who, It can't be a formal meeting - its open to members of the public ... but I don't mind a vote +[14:17] welp wltjr +[14:17] <Dr_Who> welp, Im tgall +[14:17] <wltjr> welp: tgall +[14:17] <fmccor> welp, tgall +[14:17] <Dr_Who> I'm on my lappy ... +[14:17] <welp> oh, ok, that clears that up +[14:18] <NeddySeagoon> We agreed to be as transparent as possible .. +[14:18] <Dr_Who> indeed +[14:18] <wltjr> Dr_Who: and playing pappy :) +[14:18] <tsunam> it would be a vote by the foundation...not an open vote however... +[14:19] <Dr_Who> it's a great slate of folks and i think we all look forward to performing our respective roles +[14:19] <wltjr> tsunam: yeah we did a mini one before you showed up for a vote of thanks to past trustees +[14:19] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Even that is not needed for officers ... just the 5 of us +[14:19] <Dr_Who> tsunam, correct +[14:19] <Dr_Who> tsunam, which is what i meant ... and by formal meeting I mean a meeting of the 5 of us +[14:19] <tsunam> k +[14:19] <NeddySeagoon> Now we get to the interesting bits .. +[14:20] <Dr_Who> point of order .. we have a motion on the floor +[14:20] * wltjr seconds the motion +[14:20] * NeddySeagoon is in favour +[14:20] <tsunam> no need to second a point of order *laughs* +[14:20] * wltjr votes Yeah +[14:20] * fmccor votes yes +[14:20] * Dr_Who votes yea +[14:21] * tsunam checks yes +[14:21] <NeddySeagoon> Unanimous +[14:21] <NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Plan For the Future (With Approx Timescales) +[14:21] * arachnist (i=arachnis@paludis/monkey/arachnist) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:21] * omsai leans forward in his seat +[14:21] * fmccor notes that4 includes 5 & 6, really. +[14:21] <welp> omsai: stop blocking my view! +[14:22] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, true +[14:22] <tsunam> Well I can start with financial related materials if we'd like first +[14:22] * omsai points at the overhead chat tv-screen +[14:22] <wltjr> update bylaws, compliance with state, fed, establish bank account, other business, ~2 months time frame for all +[14:22] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, yes please ... I've lost moy notes +[14:22] <tsunam> heh +[14:22] <wltjr> locate and retain accountaint/registered agent, seek legal council on current legal/filing situation +[14:23] <Dr_Who> sounds good tsunam +[14:23] <tsunam> I put out some calls to various banks of friday +[14:23] <tsunam> So far I've contacted bankofamerica, washington mutual, wells fargo, comerica, citibank +[14:23] <wltjr> tsunam: any chances of establishing before correcting legal or is that a blocker? +[14:23] <tsunam> of those, washington mutual does not deal with international at all so its eliminated +[14:23] <tsunam> its a legal blocker +[14:24] <tsunam> as its not a personal account... +[14:24] <wltjr> tsunam: do we need to be concerned with international atm? couldn't that flow through PayPal? +[14:24] <tsunam> As well for a business, there is background related materials for the group, and the person who is the treasurer as well. +[14:24] <wltjr> tsunam: sure, just wasn't sure if you have made it to the requirements point with any +[14:24] <Dr_Who> it would seem we have to face international at some point .. might as well do it from the start +[14:24] <tsunam> wltjr: currently yes, however not everyone likes paypal, and being able to have people do wire transfers might be beneficial +[14:25] <Dr_Who> tsunam, any outlook on costs vs service from what you saw ? +[14:25] <tsunam> wltjr: as well...it would allow us to do wire transfers from our bank to other members who've spent money on behalf of the foundation +[14:25] <wltjr> international will be like Citi, Chase, HSBC, etc +[14:25] <tsunam> Dr_Who: citibank was the most knowledgeable +[14:25] <wltjr> tsunam: we should be able to do wire transfers via western union worse case +[14:25] <Dr_Who> tsunam, how about from a cost perspective ? +[14:26] <tsunam> they have a service for sending money in euro's for example +[14:26] <wltjr> but I don't believe western union offers any banking solutions +[14:26] <tsunam> Dr_Who: unfortunately I was not able to get a true cost perspective due to the fact that I did not have all information available as well +[14:26] <wltjr> tsunam: Citi is internationally owned, Kindom Holding Group, Saudi's, so likely best international support +[14:26] <wltjr> tsunam: short of like Chase, now owned by J.P. Morgan +[14:27] <Dr_Who> sounds like a good prospect ! +[14:27] <tsunam> citibank as well...depending on what kind of organization we incorporate as (llc etc..) +[14:27] <tsunam> has different accounts that are beneficial to us +[14:27] <Dr_Who> sounds good +[14:27] <tsunam> including interest based checking accounts potentially +[14:27] <wltjr> tsunam: I think wrt to sending money internationally we can get by with PayPal and Western Union, not sure we need that to be part of actual banking solution +[14:28] <tsunam> I will contact chase and hsbc next week +[14:28] <wltjr> tsunam: now that would be ideal, as we should keep a min balance to satisfy the min requirements +[14:28] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Right now we don't have a bank ... whats stopping us getting one and how/when can it be fixed ? +[14:28] <wltjr> tsunam: interest barring for sure IMHO +[14:28] <tsunam> I would prefer to keep a minimum ammount in the paypal account +[14:45] * Tatsh (n=Tatsh_zz@c-76-19-124-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:45] <tsunam> Dr_Who: not as far as I'm aware +[14:45] <fmccor> Dr_Who, We have Articles of Incorporation and a Certificate of Incorporation Number. +[14:46] <wltjr> Dr_Who: till 08, 990 wasn't required unless you had a certain amount of anual revenue +[14:46] <Dr_Who> fmccor: yes I know ... +[14:46] <Dr_Who> wltjr, that's not my understanding .. but for this conversation ... not important' +[14:46] <wltjr> registered agents in NM seem cheap and readily available +[14:46] <tsunam> wltjr: ~100 bucks +[14:46] <tsunam> for the year +[14:46] <wltjr> Dr_Who: it was in one of the documents I provided from IRS, i was reading it +[14:47] <Dr_Who> wltjr, so for next meeting on the registration agent will you come back with a specific proposal then ? +[14:47] <wltjr> tsunam: yep, not sure what other services they provide, some also provide filing services +[14:47] <wltjr> seems like we should find an agent that can deal with the filings as well :) then we just modify bylaws, provide, they review, submit, etc, we pay +[14:47] <tsunam> wltjr: they act as the business location for the organization. Take messages from the state...pass them to us. If someone was to call and ask for a listing of members they'd give them +[14:47] <fmccor> wltjr, I'd suggest not waiting a month for this. +[14:48] <tsunam> wltjr: there's not a whole lot fo them to do quite honestly +[14:48] <Dr_Who> fmccor: it's an expenditure of money ... it needs approval +[14:48] <fmccor> We can do that any time. +[14:48] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, they paying could be delayed if all our funds are in a cheque and we don't have a bank account ... its a little circular +[14:48] <Dr_Who> yes... nothing saying we can't get together in 2 weeks or when wltjr has someting for us to act on +[14:48] <wltjr> fmccor: I agree, and seeing how NeddySeagoon is out of US, feel like shopping around for a registered agent in NM? being our VP ? :) +[14:48] * tsunam is looking over form 990 +[14:49] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no, we can do out of pocket, or use PayPal checks :) +[14:49] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ok. +[14:49] <tsunam> wltjr: you rely far too heavily on paypal for my likes +[14:49] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: tsunam has access to our PayPal account, and it likely has enough funds to cover our restablishement +[14:49] <tsunam> It does +[14:49] <wltjr> tsunam: it's a crutch for now, but it's a really good way to send $ for an organization like ours +[14:50] <Dr_Who> right ... but let's have a specific proposal from wltjr with an agent... +[14:50] <tsunam> there are fee's associated with sending checks via it, so I'd rather pay out of my pocket and request being reimburst +[14:50] <Dr_Who> we can worry about how to pay for it once we have that to act on +[14:50] <wltjr> tsunam: I agree we should have a bank account, and not normally a fan of PayPal, but it's pretty ideal here, short of like Western Union or etc, which offers similar services +[14:50] <NeddySeagoon> and costs ... so we can approve the expendature or not +[14:50] <fmccor> This goes in steps. Right now, our agent is drobbins, and that stays until we are reestablished. Then we can change agents easily. +[14:50] <wltjr> tsunam: sure, that's entirely up to you :) +[14:50] <tsunam> wltjr: that is true but the kind of money we have in it...bothers me +[14:50] <Dr_Who> NeddySeagoon, exactly +[14:51] <wltjr> tsunam: agreed, and only benefitting them for the most part +[14:51] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, too much or too little ? +[14:51] <wltjr> tsunam: I am not saying we should keep a balance there, just use it when needed :) +[14:51] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: too much +[14:51] <wltjr> tsunam: they might offer some banking/interest solutions options, might want to give them a call as well +[14:51] <tsunam> wltjr: I have no problem keeping a balance there, but it will take quite a while to draw funds from it to our bank account when it goes there. I'll bring that up after the bank account is established +[14:51] <wltjr> fmccor: so feel like shopping around for a registered agent? +[14:52] <wltjr> fmccor: they might refer us to an accountant, or offer those services as well, and that would be ideal +[14:52] <wltjr> seems allot of registered agents deal with the filings, which would help us get things strait sooner rather than later +[14:52] <Dr_Who> tsunam, yes nce we have the new account, we basically should just use paypal as a small slush fund with a goal to keep it at a certain balance ... like say $500 +[14:53] <tsunam> Dr_Who: correct +[14:53] <tsunam> I will be working on our back quarterly reports as well... +[14:53] <tsunam> as I can do that at least from the paypal history +[14:53] <fmccor> wltjr, It'd take me some time, because I have 0 contacts in NM. +[14:54] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I was going to ask about that ... what shape are the financial records in that you inherited +[14:54] <tsunam> fmccor: might be worthwhile to talk to Daniel Robbins and see about some of his contacts there +[14:54] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: 2 years overdue =) +[14:54] <wltjr> fmccor: I am just googling, but seems like there is lots of potential +[14:54] <wltjr> fmccor: it's a randmon let your fingers do the walking kind of thing +[14:54] <Dr_Who> wltjr, fmccor: how about you two take that off line ? +[14:54] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, drobbins has a vested interest in helping get his name off the paperwork. +[14:55] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I'm sure there will be things missed/unaccounted for. However I will try and match the balances as closely as possible and see if I can find where any missing money might of gone to. +[14:55] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, unless he wants to keep it on. +[14:55] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, or come from :) +[14:55] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: correct +[14:55] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thats not a problem either ... +[14:55] <fmccor> Right. +[14:55] * vladms has quit ("Leaving") +[14:56] <fmccor> Because right now he is our agent. +[14:56] <wltjr> Dr_Who: we can, but best to be as transparent as possible +[14:56] <Dr_Who> yes ... you two have to come back with a proposal anyway .... +[14:56] <wltjr> FYI, it seems allot of the registered agent companies also provide other servies, like counseling :) +[14:57] <tsunam> I would suggest contacting a few about probono for the "other" services +[14:57] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, you are going to call drobbins then ? He may know why we chose the 501 ... we did too +[14:57] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, He's usually on IRC in #gentoo-dev or can be reached by email. If I have to call him, I'll have to chase down a contact. +[14:58] <wltjr> these guys look promising http://www.bizfilings.com/ +[14:58] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, One way or the other, I'll speak with him. +[14:58] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: it looks like many registered agents could help with providing info on 501c stuff +[14:58] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Sorry - contact, in any way you like +[14:58] <wltjr> because these companies are just registered agents :) +[14:59] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, fine ... audition a few +[14:59] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, And since drobbins is our agent at the moment, as a courtesy we need to speak with him before changing anyway. +[14:59] <Dr_Who> I'm sure most of them don't work iwth non profit community driven linux distros ;-) +[14:59] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I can, but really these are core tasks, best to be done by those with a ranking position +[14:59] <wltjr> Dr_Who: I am not sure those details really matter +[15:00] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, yes thats for sure. We do not want to reincorporate with his name on the paperwork without his agreement +[15:00] <Dr_Who> they do ... or you'll end up doing alot of explaining potentially +[15:00] <wltjr> when we re-file, we need to see about getting our names on file +[15:00] <wltjr> then it should just be a matter of changing the filing each year as part of anual report +[15:00] <fmccor> We have to. We are reinstating, and our Articles are on file and the name him +[15:01] <fmccor> I think we have to be active before changing agents. +[15:01] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thats something to clarifiy +[15:01] <wltjr> Dr_Who: they will care up to the point of being able to classify the entity, once they can classify us, they treat us like any other business with that classification +[15:01] <fmccor> The paperwork Grant sent in last July names him as our agent. +[15:01] <tsunam> basically after we're back good +[15:02] <wltjr> fmccor: pretty sure not, I believe we can update the info as we reinstate +[15:02] <tsunam> we can change and remove daniel from the president role etc...its filing some paperwork +[15:02] <wltjr> tsunam: yes part of anual filing, but when we reinstate, we will be basically doing that +[15:02] <Dr_Who> we winding down on that one then? +[15:02] <fmccor> First priority is to get reinstated. +[15:02] <NeddySeagoon> Looks like it ... +[15:02] <Dr_Who> exactly +[15:03] <fmccor> Then we can act as required. +[15:03] <NeddySeagoon> Thats covered Items 5 and 6 in there too +[15:03] <fmccor> In parallel we can work bylaws, and I have a couple clarifications on that. +[15:03] <wltjr> yes but properly, and if we go reinstating an entity with like say g2boojum still being on file, we might need his signature to remove or something +[15:03] <fmccor> wltjr, No. +[15:04] <fmccor> Then the bylaws and statutes kick in. +[15:04] <tsunam> which need to be approved +[15:04] <fmccor> Everything we do depends on the bylaws, so long as they are consistent with the statutes. +[15:04] <wltjr> we really need to get in touch with people that do this day in and day out +[15:04] <fmccor> They are approved by us. +[15:04] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, before we send the paperwork in +[15:05] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: they've been in "waiting state" for 4 years :-P +[15:05] <Dr_Who> ok .. so one homework item I think we have is to examine, propose (what if any) changes and then vote on the bylaws .. which I would suggest would be an item for the next meeting +[15:05] <fmccor> Because they spell out membership requirements, and so on. +[15:05] <Dr_Who> which again I'd like in 2 weeks +[15:05] <tsunam> I'd say for now 2 weeks would be a good time period to keep stuff moving forward +[15:05] <tsunam> as there's quite a bit to do right now +[15:06] <Dr_Who> yup +[15:06] <Dr_Who> we won't get it all done by the universal two week constant .. but we should see progress! +[15:06] <NeddySeagoon> Dr_Who, we need to ensure the bylaws support the statuats, not contradict them - can we do that without legal help ? +[15:06] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Yes. +[15:07] <Dr_Who> NeddySeagoon, one characteristic we will want I'm sure is a reasonable process for modification of the bylaws +[15:07] <Dr_Who> NeddySeagoon, but yes I agree that having a legal read as we modify / file will be necesary +[15:08] <NeddySeagoon> Dr_Who, yep. There are a few oddities in there just now - but its not for this meeting +[15:08] <fmccor> Mostly the statutes defer to the bylaws, and the bylaws call out such things as (1) who are the members of the Foundation; (2) what officers does the Foundation have; (3) Qualifications to serve as a Trustee, ... +[15:08] * emery (n=emery@12-214-38-160.client.mchsi.com) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[15:08] <tsunam> guidelines for how the foundaition is run... +[15:08] <fmccor> Yes. +[15:08] <Dr_Who> yeah .. and I don't think we're going for 100 pages of bylaws +[15:08] <NeddySeagoon> Any more on the bylaws ... ? +[15:08] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I understand +[15:08] <tsunam> lol +[15:08] <tsunam> Dr_Who: I hope not +[15:09] <Dr_Who> gentoo documentation .. yes ... bylaws no :-) +[15:09] <fmccor> To quote NM statutes: The bylaws may contain any provisions for the regulation and management +[15:09] <fmccor> of the affairs of a corporation not inconsistent with law or the +[15:09] <fmccor> articles of incorporation. +[15:09] <Dr_Who> good quote! +[15:09] <Dr_Who> next item then? +[15:09] <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Any Other Business .. +[15:09] <fmccor> Bylaws should be 2 or 3 pages at most. +[15:10] * Dr_Who doesn't have other business +[15:10] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, ? +[15:10] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, AOB ? +[15:10] <tsunam> AOB? +[15:10] <fmccor> Just one further comment on bylaws +[15:10] <tsunam> oh +[15:10] <tsunam> any other business.. +[15:11] <tsunam> nope not from me +[15:11] <NeddySeagoon> Any Other Business +[15:11] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, On you go +[15:12] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, AOB ? +[15:12] <fmccor> The proposal on the foundations page mostly needs the Members section (IV) rewritten, because it bears no resemblence to what we do. +[15:12] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: not beyond more on the above ;) +[15:12] * wltjr thinks we should tap the community wrt to registered agent/accountant +[15:12] <fmccor> Otherwise, it's pretty much boilerplate, and can be made to fit our specifics. +[15:13] <NeddySeagoon> fmccor, does it contracdit what we do ? +[15:13] <fmccor> wltjr, Now, that is a good idea. +[15:13] <wltjr> if we don't have any referrals, maybe someone in our community does, not sure if we should do a PR piece or GMN item +[15:13] <NeddySeagoon> I have one item ... how can we get more help ? +[15:13] <NeddySeagoon> There is a lot to do and just the 5 of us ... +[15:14] <wltjr> but basically a call for help/referrals, on accountant/agent, and seems like any agent, can provide filing services, so we dial in bylaws, find an agent, and can pay them for the filing +[15:14] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Membership? Yes. We don't admit members by application. Our members are certain developers or people who have voted for trustee in the past. +[15:14] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: it seems like a lot...but really isn't +[15:14] * jokey (n=jokey@gentoo/developer/jokey) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[15:14] <tsunam> currently memebers are: +[15:14] <tsunam> Developers who've been developers over a year +[15:14] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Bylaws will spell out how many trustees there are. +[15:14] <tsunam> they automatically get put in... +[15:15] <tsunam> and former developers +[15:15] <tsunam> I believe up to a year afterwords +[15:15] <tsunam> I'd have to review that part again +[15:15] <tsunam> been a while since I last read them +[15:15] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, We are discovering what it is we don't know, thats good but I have a feeling that are a lot of unknows we don't even realise ... like an iceberg +[15:15] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes, that's why we need to retain those that do know ASAP +[15:15] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: technically we're supossed to have a lot of infomation about our members +[15:16] <wltjr> the only thing we would need a lawyer for would be to review our articles IMHO +[15:16] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I know, but we dont. +[15:16] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: yes I know +[15:16] <wltjr> beyond that the rest can be done by an accountant and/or registered agent, wrt to NM and Fed filings +[15:16] <fmccor> wltjr, That happened when they were put together --- drobbons's lawyer helped, I believe. +[15:16] <Dr_Who> yeah that's one thing where traditional corp be it stock holders investors or whatever are typcailly more than an irc nick +[15:17] <fmccor> tsunam, All we need is a name and a way to contact them, I think. +[15:17] <tsunam> fmccor: correct +[15:17] <NeddySeagoon> The NM statuats don't like virtual corporations +[15:17] <wltjr> fmccor: yeah, and I think we would only need them if at all for a review, not really beyond that, unless we want ot pay someone to write our bylaws, etc :) +[15:17] <Dr_Who> byt we do have the copyright assignment document ... so we do have something instrument wise there +[15:17] <tsunam> that's the base requirements I believe +[15:17] <fmccor> As long as they are on file with the agent and we can contact them when we need to, that should be enough. +[15:18] <tsunam> I'll reread that section of the bylaws +[15:18] <NeddySeagoon> Hmm ... that doesn't seem so bad ... if thats all we need to get us back on the rails +[15:18] <Dr_Who> yup .. .good things for deeper discussion on a different day +[15:18] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: exactly +[15:19] <NeddySeagoon> Any more AoB ? +[15:19] <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Open Floor +[15:20] * crimethinker watches everyone fall through the open floor +[15:20] * NeddySeagoon notes that there are 40 nicks +[15:20] <omsai> trustees: I'm interested in contributing to the financial health of Gentoo, but there's no breakdown of where the money goes... +[15:20] <omsai> there's just a paypal link +[15:20] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, one for you .. +[15:20] <wltjr> omsai: hang tight, we have more $ than we need atm +[15:20] <Dr_Who> omsai, as well start to establish reporting ... you'll see progress +[15:21] <tsunam> omsai: correct, we have no budget nor have ever had one. Currently the money isn't being used to its full effective use +[15:21] * Tatsh has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +[15:21] <wltjr> omsai: we will be forming a budget, and getting our act there at some point +[15:21] <omsai> could the budget be posted publically? It would reassure the rest of us after the February "Crisis" +[15:21] <wltjr> I need to get out that questionaire/survey for existing sponsors contributors, i will draft up a txt file and either upload it some where, or attach when I sent out the emails +[15:22] <tsunam> omsai: absolutely, there is no reason it should not be public +[15:22] <crimethinker> emerge gentoo-budget +[15:22] <wltjr> omsai: everything we do will be publically available +[15:22] <fmccor> omsai, Such documents must be publically available (by law if for no other reason). +[15:22] <wltjr> omsai: their never was a crisis, things were blown out of proportion by certain parties :) +[15:22] <omsai> wltjr: fmccor glad to hear it +[15:22] <NeddySeagoon> omsai, we are required to file returns, which will be publicly available, so should the budget be +[15:23] <omsai> wltjr: I know, I know... it was a publicity stunt by someone ;) +[15:23] <fmccor> omsai, Everything like that must be on file with our agent if nothing else. +[15:23] <tsunam> omsai: want to thank you for the concern though, as you can see we're trying to get onto a good straight track with this group of trustee's. Hopefully it will happen within the next 2 months that we're ack in good legal standing and can move forward with the true goals of the foundation +[15:23] <wltjr> omsai: FYI I brought the issues up early in January internally, because I knew they would be misperceived by others, which is exactly what happened when info accidentally leaked +[15:23] <moozphat> lol, emerge --unmerge crisis +[15:24] <DrEeevil> moozphat: you shouldn't install games ;) +[15:24] <shpaq> trusstes: i was wondering if there's any chance to become a foundation member without being a developer +[15:24] <wltjr> omsai: out of curiousity, what type of a donation are you thinking of? not in details but in concept, do you consider it a contribution or investment? +[15:24] <tsunam> shpaq: currently at this time no, the bylaws do not allow that +[15:24] <omsai> trustees: thank you, that addresses my concern +[15:24] <NeddySeagoon> shpaq, Not at the moment - we would need to chaneg the bylaws for that +[15:24] <omsai> wltjr: well it's on 2 levels +[15:24] <wltjr> omsai: we have been discussing a bit to go 501c3 vs 501c6, to allow donations to be written off as charitable contributions +[15:25] <fmccor> shpaq, Not at the moment, but if you have a proposal we can address it. One part of the "crisis" is that we don't have official bylaws. +[15:25] <omsai> wltjr: ordinarily it would the same amount as I would pay or a competing OS - $130 +[15:25] <crimethinker> Don't forget to donate to the FSF, too. +[15:25] <omsai> wltjr: ...at the moment I don't have any business interest, just desktop use +[15:25] * Tatsh (n=Tatsh_zz@c-76-19-124-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[15:25] <wltjr> omsai: would you be doing that so you could get a write off? or just to help gentoo as a way of giving back +[15:26] <NeddySeagoon> shpaq, Its something that I want the trustees to discuss but I cannot anticipate the outcome +[15:26] <omsai> wltjr: to help Gentoo. $130 won't be much of a write off +[15:26] <Dr_Who> yes .. we have a few questions yet and want to make sure that we follow the tax laws +[15:26] <wltjr> omsai: basically trying to determine how many of our contributors are doing so for write off purposes, as a 501c3 would benefit them there, and possible encourage that +[15:26] <Dr_Who> omsai, it adds up tho +[15:26] <tsunam> wltjr: I'll have numbers for you by next meeting +[15:27] <tsunam> wltjr: as to our number of contributors who are private citizens +[15:27] <wltjr> tsunam: wrt? I still need to get you info :) +[15:27] <shpaq> it would be nice to discuss it and allow non-developers to become a foundation's members +[15:27] <tsunam> I can't tell you us/international though +[15:27] <wltjr> tsunam: ah ok, I won't be going there, I will only be hitting up businesses I suspect +[15:27] <omsai> Dr_Who: but only in the US if I'm not mistaken +[15:27] <tsunam> wltjr: I have 2 years of donations to paypal to account for +[15:27] <wltjr> tsunam: wrt to our existing sponsors, like GNi, etc +[15:27] <shpaq> i understand it needs some bylaws changes? +[15:27] <wltjr> tsunam: and none of them can write that off +[15:27] <NeddySeagoon> shpaq, Agreed but its for after the foundation is back in good standing in New Mexico and with the IRS +[15:28] <fmccor> shpaq, We don't have official bylaws. +[15:28] <tsunam> that's one of the problems +[15:28] <fmccor> That's one of out problems. +[15:28] <wltjr> I am not sure if this round of bylaws changes we will be looking to do any major changes like opening up membership +[15:28] <fmccor> No. +[15:29] <wltjr> that would be ideal, but not sure we want stuff like that, holding back other legal things that need to be taken care of +[15:29] <tsunam> definitely not +[15:29] <fmccor> I think we'll make them conform to what we do now, then step back and amend them as makes sense. +[15:29] <wltjr> that's more for later one, once we have our house in order, and have recovered from that :) +[15:29] <Dr_Who> but for certain ... I think we all feel the pressure to get bylaws in place soon +[15:29] <Dr_Who> but tempered with legal realities that need to be reflect in those bylaws +[15:30] <fmccor> Yes, because we can't act without them much. +[15:30] <crimethinker> Forgive me for not reading all the scroll, but doesn't it mean someone simply needs to write the bylaws and propose them to the group? +[15:30] <Dr_Who> IE we ain't going to wait forever .. but we ain't going to pass something that's not right +[15:30] <wltjr> yeah, and we seem to all be in concensus for the most part, which is good +[15:30] cram_leak crimethinker +[15:30] <wltjr> thus I think ~2 months is realistic to clean up or legal house for the most part +[15:30] <fmccor> crimethinker, The "group" initially is the trustees, because the Foundation membership is part of the bylaws themselves. +[15:30] <tsunam> crimethinker: it requires a substancial rewrite to be honest +[15:31] <tsunam> crimethinker: good portions of things need to be redefined +[15:31] <rane> and you have no draft yet? +[15:31] <tsunam> we do +[15:31] <tsunam> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/bylaws.xml +[15:31] <Dr_Who> we do .. we're not starting over from scratch +[15:32] <fmccor> crimethinker, What this means is that we will propose them and pass them through the group (gentoo-nfp@?), but the approval is left to the trustees. +[15:32] <wltjr> any rewording of our bylaws now would mostly be to change from 501c3 to 501c6, and/or any other immediate needs, leaving out most ideal things to be discussed and done at a later date +[15:32] <wltjr> er, 501c6 to 501c3 +[15:32] <tsunam> okie guys..I need to get going +[15:32] <Dr_Who> have a good one tsunam +[15:32] <wltjr> same here, need to go check out dryers :( +[15:33] <Dr_Who> so 2 weeks from today? next meeting ? +[15:33] <tsunam> wltjr: lol +[15:33] welp wltjr +[15:33] <wltjr> they all have the same specs online :( +[15:33] <tsunam> that works for me..at the same time? +[15:33] <wltjr> but huge price diffs +[15:33] <Dr_Who> same bat time .. same bat channel +[15:33] <tsunam> wltjr: good luck +[15:33] <crimethinker> don't buy Maytag +[15:33] <crimethinker> had two new ones break within 2 years +[15:33] <tsunam> ouch :( +[15:33] <crimethinker> 2003 and 2005 +[15:33] <tsunam> still under waranty though? +[15:33] <crimethinker> No +[15:33] <wltjr> no buying today, just research, presently have a ~5yr kenmore that sucks +[15:33] <tsunam> -_- +[15:34] <fmccor> tsunam, Fine with me. Now, I *think* that perhaps the rest of the world might be going onto DST on the 30th? +[15:34] <tsunam> so was that the plan on moving to the 20:00 at that time? +[15:34] <wltjr> there is no good time, so this is fine 2 weeks ;) +[15:34] <tsunam> well in any case let me know +[15:34] <fmccor> No. +[15:35] <tsunam> have a good afternoon all +[15:35] <welp> evening! +[15:35] <fmccor> tsunam, The reason for 1900 was that when Europe goes onto DST, they move up an hour, so 2000UTC is actually late Sunday evening. +[15:35] <tsunam> look forward to reading the summary as well +[15:35] <tsunam> k +[15:35] <crimethinker> it's always the middle of the night somewhere +[15:35] <Dr_Who> motion to adjourn +[15:35] <omsai> trustees: Thank you for your explanations and all your work. Keep it up! +[15:36] <fmccor> So moved. +[15:36] * omsai has quit ("Leaving") +[15:36] <[Carrie]> whee! +[15:36] * nichoj_laptop has quit () +[15:37] * moozphat (n=ymoffett@bas5-montreal19-1279353876.dsl.bell.ca) has left #gentoo-trustees +[15:37] <fmccor> shpaq, I'd be interested in what you are thinking of related to membership, but realistically, we can't address it until we have bylaws in some form in place. +[15:39] <rane> we first need to expire a hundred of memberships +[15:39] <rane> people we have no contact with anymore +[15:39] <NeddySeagoon> sorry RL NMI +[15:40] <crimethinker> kids are a joy. +[15:40] <shpaq> fmccor: well, there is a large group of gentoo users who do something for gentoo +[15:40] <shpaq> but they're non-developers for many reasons +[15:41] <shpaq> so, i guess You could discuss opening membership for such persons +[15:42] <fmccor> shpaq, And those will spell out membership as described above. +[15:42] <NeddySeagoon> shpaq, it was on my election manifesto +[15:42] <fmccor> shpaq, I agree with you, actually. +[15:43] <NeddySeagoon> shpaq, but the bylaws we use for incorporation will not have those changes +[15:43] <shpaq> NeddySeagoon: sorry, i didn't read it +[15:43] <NeddySeagoon> shpaq No problem +[15:43] <NeddySeagoon> Is that us done ? +[15:43] <NeddySeagoon> Meeting over. +[15:43] <shpaq> i guess yes +[15:43] <NeddySeagoon> Sun Mar 16 20:43:57 GMT 2008 diff --git a/2008/03xx08.txt b/2008/03xx08.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..a15ac65 --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/03xx08.txt @@ -0,0 +1,202 @@ +<NeddySeagoon> Good Evening/Afternoon/Morning ... whatever fits your timezone +[13:26] <rane> evening +[13:28] <tgall_foo> hey NeddySeagoon .... or ... being entirely time politically correct ... good day cycle citizen! +[13:28] <NeddySeagoon> heh +[13:29] <fmccor> Afternoon works. +[13:30] <fmccor> 2:30PM, thanks to early DST in the US. :( +[13:31] <tgall_foo> yeah ... we hate it just as much as you fmccor! +[13:31] <NeddySeagoon> I'm aware of US time zones ... I have to call the West coast more often that I like, but it helps that they seem to like to start early +[14:00] <fmccor> Getting to be that time. Wonder if g2boojum has made it here yet. +[14:01] <g2boojum> Finishing up an e-mail. +[14:01] <fmccor> Fair enough. Welcome. +[14:01] <fmccor> NeddySeagoon, This should be yours to lead, no? +[14:02] <NeddySeagoon> Hi g2boojum +[14:02] <NeddySeagoon> Good to see you. +[14:03] <NeddySeagoon> I thought we could start with you telling us what you thing we need to know, then we'll ask questions .. is that ok ? +[14:04] <g2boojum> I just sent two messages to trustees@g.o, so it might be a good idea to read those first. +[14:04] <NeddySeagoon> ok +[14:05] * tgall_foo brings those up +[14:05] <fmccor> Don't have them yet +[14:05] <NeddySeagoon> Nor me +[14:05] <g2boojum> I meant to have those sent out beforehand, but I'm at work, and I'm fitting stuff in as best I can. +[14:05] <tgall_foo> mail is better than no mail .. appreciate you taking the time g2boojum ! +[14:06] <g2boojum> tgall_foo: My pleasure. +[14:06] <fmccor> tgall_foo, You got them? +[14:08] <g2boojum> http://rafb.net/p/hwa9aa39.html +[14:09] <g2boojum> http://rafb.net/p/nCDt9n76.html +[14:11] <fmccor> Read them, thanks. +[14:12] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, thanks. Its a good start +[14:12] <g2boojum> Who's handling money? +[14:13] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, is +[14:14] * tsunam waves +[14:14] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, its ended up like this ... +[14:14] <NeddySeagoon> Roy - President +[14:14] <NeddySeagoon> Ferris - Vice President +[14:14] <NeddySeagoon> Josh - Treasurer +[14:14] <NeddySeagoon> Tom - Secretary +[14:14] <NeddySeagoon> William - Director +[14:15] * willy-aka-dd (n=iskander@84-245-3-159.dsl.cambrium.nl) has joined #gentoo-trustees +[14:15] <g2boojum> tsunam: I need your pgp key so I can send you the paypal info. +[14:16] <tsunam> g2boojum: just need the key id or? +[14:16] <g2boojum> tsunam: Yep. Just send me a signed e-mail. +[14:16] <tsunam> k +[14:17] * willy-aka-dd (n=iskander@84-245-3-159.dsl.cambrium.nl) has left #gentoo-trustees +[14:18] <tsunam> g2boojum: email sent +[14:18] <fmccor> wltjr has been talking to NM already. I suggest he follow up on that since he has the contacts. +[14:19] <NeddySeagoon> yep, single points of contact usually work best +[14:19] <wltjr> NM wants $25 and the paper work they sent + any sigs +[14:20] <wltjr> g2boojum: wrt to your email, do you plan to send back the paperwork and $25 one sigs are obtained +[14:20] <g2boojum> wltjr: Interesting, since they told me $70. +[14:20] <NeddySeagoon> Whose sigs ? The new trustees or the old ones ? +[14:20] <wltjr> g2boojum: I assume past trustee sigs +[14:20] <g2boojum> NeddySeagoon: Old. +[14:20] <wltjr> g2boojum: more than what you sent in? I am not sure on total, just balance they are waiting in is $25 reinstatement fee +[14:20] <g2boojum> wltjr: They sent back my check. +[14:21] <wltjr> g2boojum: ok, then not sure what she was telling me, but I guess in addition to the amount you sent, they wanted $25 for reinstatement +[14:21] <wltjr> g2boojum: either way, is that a process you plan to follow up on? or would like to forward over the paperwork, and we will seek out sigs, send check, etc +[14:22] <g2boojum> wltjr: We had signed forms, so I'm not quite sure what the problem was. I'm assuming that it's because they weren't all original signatures. Can you check on that? If that's the case, I'll send new forms on to wolf. +[14:22] <NeddySeagoon> Will the old trustees still sign ? At least one resigned while the application was in progress +[14:22] <tsunam> Ah so I need to find a bank ^_^ +[14:23] <wltjr> g2boojum: I was told the forms were processed, and they sent back other forms to be completed, plus needed $25, i was not aware of the forms not being completed properly or signed properly, or the original check being sent back +[14:23] * tgall_foo returns +[14:23] <g2boojum> wltjr: Okay, I'll have to check what they sent me, then. (Which I don't have at work, unfortunately.) +[14:23] <wltjr> g2boojum: to call in again I need to know all form #'s, they only speak in form #s :) +[14:23] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I think you just picked up clarifying this and seeing it through +[14:24] <wltjr> g2boojum: what you sent, and what they sent back, etc :) +[14:24] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no problem, but was going to help tsunam with gather info on sponsors and etc +[14:24] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I can work it, but usually something principles will handle :) +[14:24] <tsunam> wltjr: need to get a bank first currently =| +[14:25] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: as you will end up being president on paperwork, and I think filings are done by secretary +[14:25] <tgall_foo> tsunam, any suggestions as far as financial institutions ? +[14:25] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yeah that too - I think top of the list in reinstatement +[14:25] <wltjr> NeddySeagoon: but I can keep following through on what needs to be done, etc +[14:25] <tsunam> tgall_foo: need to do some research +[14:25] <tgall_foo> wltjr, ah! gotta pointer to the papers then ? +[14:25] <tsunam> as we need someone that can deal with international +[14:25] <wltjr> tsunam: bank will be circular, most banks won't create an account for an entity that does not exist +[14:25] <wltjr> tgall_foo: no clue on paperwork, you all know basically what I do :) +[14:26] <tsunam> luckily there's quite a few banks around so.. +[14:26] <tgall_foo> wltjr, heh... well +[14:26] * tgall_foo digs out the shovel +[14:26] <wltjr> tsunam: yes, would be nice to find one, but most are going to want some sort of ID, be it SSN, or EIN, etc +[14:26] <tsunam> wltjr: yeah +[14:26] <wltjr> tgall_foo: we need to wait on g2boojum for form #'s, then we can follow up with NM, I can surely make the call +[14:26] <tsunam> wltjr: doesn't mean I can't talk to them and find who would be best +[14:27] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr tsunam The entity gets one, when we have the entity again +[14:27] * tgall_foo suspects he could get us an account at the bank downtown with no issues ... but uh ... not sure how good they would be dealing with international +[14:27] <g2boojum> tsunam: You won't have any luck at all finding someone who can deal w/ the international stuff. We tried. +[14:27] <tsunam> g2boojum: If not I'm sure I can find someone then +[14:27] <tgall_foo> ok .. so priority is getting "entity status" back +[14:27] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, What 'international stuff' ? +[14:28] <tgall_foo> yeah ... when we say international service ... what kinds of things do they need to do ? +[14:28] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: reimbursing our european devs for stuff... +[14:28] <g2boojum> tsunam: US is fine. It's a US corporation. But the person dealing with the bank will have to be a US citizen. +[14:28] <wltjr> g2boojum: when you can plz email the form #'s to trustees@g.o, from there I can call NM and see where we are at +[14:28] <tsunam> g2boojum: so will always have to have one us citizen on trustee's +[14:28] <tgall_foo> tsunam, well that's just getting them funds in some reasonable way tho isn't it ? +[14:28] <wltjr> I will report back, but from there would ike others to take any action +[14:28] <tsunam> tgall_foo: in part +[14:28] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, at least one. +[14:29] <g2boojum> tsunam: No, you need one US citizen who is a Foundation member. +[14:29] <g2boojum> tsunam: For practical matters, you use the bank web interface, which doesn't care about citizenship. +[14:29] <g2boojum> wltjr: Will do. +[14:29] <tsunam> g2boojum: true +[14:30] <g2boojum> Also, we use paypal (right now) for most of our funding issues. It's far from ideal, but it does work well internationally. +[14:30] <tsunam> g2boojum: yes it does +[14:31] <tsunam> but the account can also be closed...so +[14:31] <tsunam> that really worries me +[14:31] <tgall_foo> tsunam, umm how do you mean ? +[14:31] <tsunam> tgall_foo: paypal can freeze accounts +[14:32] <tsunam> tgall_foo: so our account could in theory be frozen for a long enough time that basically we have no access to any funds there..and its a good portion if I recall +[14:32] <wltjr> g2boojum: do we need to file a return or anything for 07, and did you all file one for 06 last year? +[14:32] <g2boojum> tsunam: gpg-encrypted paypal info sent to you. +[14:32] <tsunam> g2boojum: thank you +[14:33] <g2boojum> wltjr: We've never filed a return. My understanding is that it's not required for a c6 w/ our yearly income, but it would be good to verify that fact. +[14:33] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, what did the old trustees count as 'income' ? +[14:33] <tsunam> we still need to do quarterly financials as part of our deal for c* status +[14:33] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: donations of money +[14:33] <g2boojum> NeddySeagoon: Donations of money. +[14:34] <tgall_foo> tsunam, that's a good reason to treat it sort of like a Business checkpoint ... IE trying to keep the balance in a certain range ... never higher or lower +[14:34] <tsunam> *nods* +[14:34] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, what about donations of services, and equipment or are we allowed to discount that +[14:34] <tgall_foo> g2boojum, so we're official a c6 right now ? +[14:34] <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I need to look at tax laws for those kinds of donations +[14:35] <g2boojum> tgall_foo: No, better would be to file anyway, then it's not an issue. +[14:35] <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ok +[14:35] <tgall_foo> g2boojum, yes I agree with you there! +[14:35] <tsunam> tgall_foo: no we're not federally a c anything +[14:35] <tgall_foo> tho .. we've basically a month to get that done +[14:35] <fmccor> tsunam, Better to talk with an accountant. +[14:35] <tsunam> tgall_foo: we never submitted the documents to the irs +[14:36] <tgall_foo> ok .. so item for the agenda for next week ... c* status ... we should probably make a decision there +[14:36] <fmccor> tsunam, If you start chasing through the IRS code and regulations, you'll drown. +[14:36] <NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, the decision is for us - we can't have a open vote at the meeting +[14:36] <tsunam> fmccor: oh I know I've done it before +[14:36] <wltjr> g2boojum: offhand, in brief do you recall the differences between a c3 and c6 wrt to donations, as in having to keep donations in balance, no excess from one? +[14:37] <tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, right ... just suggesting it is something we need to take action on ... +[14:37] <fmccor> tsunam, Case law, too? +[14:37] <tsunam> wltjr: c3 = civilians can donate and write it off....c6 only business's +[14:37] <g2boojum> tgall_foo: You can't get c3 status (realistically) w/ the current incorporation. Our Articles don't really support it. You'd need to reincorporate. I highly recommend leaving c3 to an umbrella org, or staying w/ c6. +[14:37] <tsunam> fmccor: nope, otherwise its been rights to access to property etc +[14:37] <wltjr> IMHO I think the difference between a c3 and c6 is so moot, and mostly on the donators end, for us it's not worth the effort or time, unless we have a reason or benefit on our end +[14:38] <tgall_foo> g2boojum, well if it's not filed ... be kinda like starting over ... but regardless yes I agree ... c6 is probably the right thing ... least from what little I remember on the diff between c3, c6 +[14:38] <wltjr> tsunam: I think that's the wrong way to go, we are better to increase donations and support from businesses rather than individuals +[14:38] <tsunam> wltjr: businesses can writeoff c3's as well +[14:38] <tgall_foo> wltjr, well in the end.... we're get money from both I'm sure +[14:39] <wltjr> tsunam: yes, but I recall there are other things, again the balancing of donations, need to get details on that one way or another +[14:39] <tgall_foo> tsunam, yes exactly ... +[14:39] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, tsunam keep it for later, please g2boojums' time is precious +[14:39] <tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, what other things would you like to cover .. or items in deeper detail that have been discussed ? +[14:40] <g2boojum> tgall_foo: You miss my point. The c3 filing takes the Articles of Incorporation into account. Ours don't have the appropriate language to support a c3. (These are the Articles that were accepted by NM, so we can't change them.) +[14:40] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, if you were starting out as we are, with the benefit of your hindsight, what would you do differently ? +[14:41] <wltjr> seems like g2boojum should go ahead and send the physical check to tsunam for when ever he can open a new bank account +[14:41] <tgall_foo> g2boojum, oooo I see what you're getting at +[14:42] <NeddySeagoon> wltjr, that will be after we get incorportated, we need someone to lend Gentoo to $70 or is that in paypal ? +[14:42] <g2boojum> NeddySeagoon: Regular meetings that are open to the public. That keeps what's happening visible. Regular reports of what's being done by those who are doing them. Dumping all of this on an umbrella org as fast as possible, in case the first two fail anyway. +[14:43] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, thats pretty much what we all plan +[14:43] <wltjr> g2boojum: so once you provide form #'s I call NM and find out where we are at, do you want us to take over from there? or do you want to still participate in the filing? beyond you signature +[14:44] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, without any finger pointing, what did the last trustees do incorrectly, that we can learn from ? +[14:44] <g2boojum> wltjr: The signatures should be all that's actually required for reinstatement. I don't mind sending the check, and somebody can reimburse me. You folks can handle getting a registered agent, though. +[14:45] <rane> also, please start using -nfp instead of mailing everything between each other +[14:45] <tsunam> yep we need to +[14:45] <wltjr> g2boojum: ok, so I will make sure I include you when I report back from NM, so you can take what ever final action, just wanted to be clear :) +[14:45] <wltjr> g2boojum: and ty, since it's no longer your duty and you are very busy, much appreciated +[14:45] <tsunam> ^^^ seconded +[14:45] <tgall_foo> ^^^^ thirded +[14:46] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, did you learn all the stuff along the way or is it related to your day job ? +[14:46] <g2boojum> NeddySeagoon: Lack of follow-through. Read the gentoo-nfp and gentoo-trustee logs, and that will give you an idea. +[14:46] <fmccor> g2boojum, Thanks a lot for your time. We all appreciate it. +[14:46] <wltjr> g2boojum: I have on doubt tsunam will reimburse you and fmccor ASAP, and thanks for covering that out of pocket in mean time +[14:46] <g2boojum> NeddySeagoon: Along the way. +[14:46] <wltjr> s/have on/have no +[14:46] <g2boojum> My pleasure. +[14:46] <NeddySeagoon> g2boojum, thankd for your time +[14:47] <g2boojum> wltjr: I'm relying on tsunam reimbursing fmccor w/ the paypal info I sent him. tsunam: If you run into trouble, /msg me. +[14:47] <g2boojum> Okay, I have to dash. Thanks, all. +[14:47] <wltjr> g2boojum: ok, then if there is enough funds in there ,he could reimburse you the same :) +[14:47] <NeddySeagoon> thanks +[14:47] <tsunam> g2boojum: will do +[14:47] <tsunam> wltjr: there is... +[14:48] <wltjr> then we are set :) +[14:48] <NeddySeagoon> That was really useful +[14:48] <tgall_foo> thanks g2boojum ! +[14:48] <fmccor> Yes, it was. +[14:48] <tsunam> g2boojum: please send me what I need to send you to reimburse you for what you've done. +[14:48] <tsunam> fmccor: as well you do the same +[14:48] <wltjr> someone, maybe tgall_foo being sec :) want to do a quick summary of where things are at for -nfp or maybe pr, but mostly just -nfp, so we are being transparent :) +[14:49] <fmccor> tsunam, It's attached to KingTaco's bug. +[14:49] <NeddySeagoon> rane, can we find out who subscribes to -nfp ? +[14:49] <rane> NeddySeagoon, yes +[14:49] <tsunam> both of you, if you can give me at least a somewhat detail what its for "reinbursement for filing in new mexico" etc +[14:49] <wltjr> tgall_foo: not to toss you under a bus, again :) +[14:49] <tgall_foo> wltjr, that I can and will do +[14:49] <rane> NeddySeagoon, infra can provide you with such a list +[14:49] <tsunam> fmccor: send me an email please with the bug # then +[14:49] <NeddySeagoon> rane, a number (no names) woulf be good +[14:49] <tsunam> fmccor: works better for me +[14:49] <tgall_foo> wltjr, naw ... it's part of the pain I signed up for! +[14:49] <wltjr> tgall_foo: ty :), and we will all be collectively suffering together :o +[14:49] <fmccor> Sure. I'll send you the attachment. +[14:50] <fmccor> I just need to chase it down. +[14:50] <rane> there was a page with all lists and number of subscribers +[14:50] <rane> somewhere diff --git a/2008/042008.txt b/2008/042008.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..66981eb --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/042008.txt @@ -0,0 +1,785 @@ +--- Log opened Sun Apr 20 14:26:31 2008 +14:26 -!- Irssi: #gentoo-trustees: Total of 26 nicks [7 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] +14:26 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o wltjr] by ChanServ +14:27 -!- Irssi: Join to #gentoo-trustees was synced in 62 secs +14:30 <@tgall_foo> hey wltjr +14:37 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: afternoon +14:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Its 8:00pm local :) +14:48 < rane> hi guys +14:49 < rane> i'm late 48 minutes or early 12? +14:49 < rane> or maybe it's not today +14:49 <@wltjr> rane: 11 min still +14:50 * fmccor checks in +14:50 <@fmccor> We're trying to keep this to no more than an hour, correct? +14:51 <@fmccor> Good afternoon. Majority rules. :) +14:51 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I hope so. any real life meeting that takes over an hour usually accomplishes very little +14:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Its not very popular, only 26 nicks, perhaps we should drop the price of the tickets ? +14:53 <@fmccor> Or offer free beer. +14:54 <@NeddySeagoon> :) +14:56 < rane> or use Donnie to advertise it more +14:57 <@NeddySeagoon> rane, I don't think the majority of devs are interested in the Foundation ... unless users are saying Gentoo is in crisis because we don't have one +14:59 <@tgall_foo> ok +14:59 <@tgall_foo> fmccor: I hope we can keep it to under 30 minutes! +15:00 * NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order. Roll Call ... +15:00 <@tgall_foo> present! +15:00 < rane> go go go +15:00 * wltjr is present +15:00 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, wltjr tsunam +15:01 * fmccor is here +15:01 * tgall_foo notes it is a very nice day out so it's quite difficult to be here :-) +15:01 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, do you stll have tsunams cell number handy ? +15:01 <@fmccor> Cold here with rain and thunderstorms. +15:02 <@fmccor> Someplace +15:02 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Would you give him a prod please. Keep an eye on your screen too +15:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 1. Introductions we can probably skip that +15:03 * fmccor looks +15:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 2. Actions From the Last Meeting ... +15:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Incorporation Status - fmccor you want to say a few words ? +15:05 <@fmccor> Sure. All paperwork for reinstatement was filed with New Mexico on the 15th and we are waiting for them to respond. +15:05 <@fmccor> Lawyer's office figures two or 3 days up to 3 weeks, depending on how busy the state agency is. +15:05 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, The status http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/cgi-bin/prcdtl.cgi?2463313 will be updated when they are bone ? +15:06 <@NeddySeagoon> done* +15:06 <@wltjr> should be those are public records, should be same database +15:06 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +15:06 <@fmccor> Yes, I suppose. +15:07 * tgall_foo notes the URL for the minutes but qualifies it as not necessarily being up to date +15:07 <@fmccor> Lawyer says he will send all of us copies of the reinstatement papers from NM. +15:07 <@tgall_foo> great +15:07 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Hmm - to the UK too ? +15:08 <@tgall_foo> anything more to be done there or just hurry up and wait ? +15:08 * wltjr thinks we might want to consider EarthMail at some point +15:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll be happy with a scan +15:08 <@wltjr> should be able to get a box or something in NM, and they will digitize all mail, and store it physically +15:08 <@wltjr> multi user accounts, I wouldn't normally use it, but might be ideal for an entity like us +15:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Its hurry up and wait then +15:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Next ... +15:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Foundation Bylaws Status - all +15:09 <@fmccor> Lawyer can't scan --- that's why I have paper copies. +15:09 <@fmccor> I think there are two issues. +15:10 * wltjr is still working through it, but thinks we might need a meeting specific on the by laws +15:10 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, to agree the exact wording, probably +15:10 <@wltjr> fmccor: earth mail scans it all, but can't be registered agent +15:10 <@fmccor> Voting --- I think we are clear on that now. (Essentially, do it like now, non-developers vote via signed (pgp) email). +15:10 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, what do you see as issues ? +15:10 <@tgall_foo> yes I think we need a working meeting specific to the bylaws ... OR we should consider forming a committee to work on it and come back with a recommendation +15:10 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well I have lots of comments, i am taking notes on the sections, none are in depth, but need to be discussed +15:11 <@fmccor> Membership. I actually think we have essential agreement on that. +15:11 <@wltjr> fmccor: actually the who signing thing wrt to the by laws should take in account gpg keys +15:11 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, We will look forward to your email - if they can be discussed off line, so much the beter +15:11 <@wltjr> short of legal signings, and there is also mention of snail mail in their like in section 3.4 Notice, I don't think applies +15:12 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, snail mail might be required by law +15:12 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, yep, no IRC voting for the membership +15:12 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well I almost think we should all go section by section through it in a meeting, and discuss it +15:12 <@wltjr> will take way to long via email IMHO +15:12 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, I agree ... or form a committee +15:12 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: well then we have to make sure we start doing that, but I am not sure it;s applicable for us, we should consititue electronic mail instead +15:12 <@fmccor> There are 5 of us --- I think that's a good enough size for a committee. +15:12 <@tgall_foo> with the direction that the committee needs to complete it's work by say 1 month's time +15:12 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, agreed but not until we have done a pass by email, then we need a meeting on what left +15:13 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: not sure we need it to be a committee, I think we will want direct input on it, wrt to our thoughts +15:13 <@tgall_foo> just suggesting options +15:13 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: sure I would love to delegate it ;) +15:13 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, so you're proposing .. .initial go through via email ... and then a dedicated meeting ? +15:13 <@wltjr> but like for exapmle section 5.3 compensation, I think we should flat out say there isn't compensation +15:13 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, yes +15:13 <@wltjr> I don't think we should leave it up to a committee to decide that +15:14 <@fmccor> Let's go by email and then meet in 2 weeks with the goal of finishing it off. I think we ourselves are the committee. +15:14 <@wltjr> also 4.3, 4.6, 4.7, 4.9 all seem to require member voting for any action, and that's going to be allot of work +15:14 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, so how about you make that a motion ? ;-) +15:14 < Philantrop> May I just ask why non-devs should be members of the Foundation? I didn't really find a reason on -nfp@. +15:14 <@tgall_foo> Philantrop, not everyone writes code .... +15:14 <@fmccor> Philantrop, retired developers are members now. +15:14 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I think the bylaws should be general. If we make $100M this year, we will have earned smoe compensation +15:14 <@wltjr> approval, removal, etc of any member is basically done by voting, board or officers have no power to approve, remove, etc +15:15 < Philantrop> fmccor: Yes, which I didn't like either. +15:15 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well ok if we earn $100m, and next year new officers decide to pay themselves $50k +15:15 < Philantrop> tgall_foo: "Devs" includes staff as it is today. :-) +15:15 <@wltjr> or more, I think we need to flat out say it's volunteer +15:15 <@wltjr> until the foundation has $, offices, and can pay people ot work part time or full time +15:15 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I have no strong feelings on thge point +15:15 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, agreed. Note that in some cases (like details of membership) the bylaws can authorize the trustees to set policy by, say, unanimous vote. +15:15 <@tgall_foo> Philantrop, depends on your definition .. which from person to person has historically not been the same ... I agree with you tho +15:16 <@wltjr> IMHO turstees have no business paying themselves at this time, so without a re-write of by laws, should be no provisions for such things +15:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we agree that wltjr will complete he review, we will each respond by email once only than have a meeting ? +15:16 <@tgall_foo> we're getting into detail ... +15:16 < Philantrop> tgall_foo: No, that's really pretty clear. "Gentoo Dev" includes staff. +15:16 <@fmccor> Trustees, no. Officers perhaps. +15:16 <@wltjr> nor things like increasing the # of trustees without a update of by laws, as in 5.7 +15:16 <@tgall_foo> Philantrop, historically that wasn't the case ... juts fyi +15:17 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, works for me. +15:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we agree that wltjr will complete he review, we will each respond by email once only than have a meeting ? +15:17 <@tgall_foo> can we close on process please ? +15:17 <@wltjr> yeah, there's lots of detail, thus IMHO we should do a meeting specific to it, and go through each section, shouldn't take more than 1-2 hours +15:17 <@fmccor> Agreed. +15:17 <@NeddySeagoon> ok ... agrred - one round of email, then meeting +15:17 <@wltjr> yep, I am barely in section 5, so no where near ready to speak on it entirely +15:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets move on +15:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +15:18 <@wltjr> sure, but I think we can do better discussing in irc than email, but either way +15:18 <@tgall_foo> so motion that the process for forming a set of bylaws to approve will consist of 1) a round of input via email followed by 2) a dedicated meeting (to be set at some date by the chair) to cover and finalized the proposed bylaws +15:18 <@wltjr> that works +15:18 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +15:18 <@fmccor> Yes +15:18 <@tgall_foo> the motion needs a second ... +15:18 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +15:18 <@fmccor> second +15:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats 3 ot of 5 carried +15:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +15:19 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, point of order +15:19 <@wltjr> did anyone call him? +15:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Anyone know whats happening ? +15:19 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, you need to ask for further discussion ... then hearing none call for a vote +15:19 * fmccor is not finding tsunam's cell number. Thinks we need a list posted someplace we can find it. +15:19 <@tgall_foo> fmccor: I thought that was out via email +15:19 * wltjr calls tsunam, has it handy +15:19 * tgall_foo is a stickler for Roberts Rules +15:20 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, ok .. I think its clear from the record, so I'm not going to go over it +15:20 <@wltjr> tsunam will be here shortly +15:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets come back to banking ... +15:21 <@NeddySeagoon> 3. Formal Communications With Members +15:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well we do need to proceed accordingly, so tgall_foo isn't wrong for pointing out things, so no worries on this one, but we should get into habit of proper proceedings +15:21 <@tgall_foo> ok ... so by the bylaws I need to post notice of meetings in it would seem several circumstances +15:21 <@NeddySeagoon> We are required by law to notify members of meetings, the AGM at least +15:22 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Agreed +15:22 <@tgall_foo> besides helps the minutes ;-) +15:22 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yeah and I believe one of those ways is via snail mail per by laws, I believe, seems a bit much IMHO unless that's only for special meetings or voting +15:22 <@tsunam> *waves* +15:22 <@NeddySeagoon> If we use email modelled on snail mail, we need a mailing list +15:22 <@tgall_foo> well there's meetings of the membership +15:23 <@tgall_foo> and then these meetings +15:23 <@NeddySeagoon> welcome tr +15:23 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: something like post to ml/announcement-ml and formal pr piece should be good no? +15:23 <@NeddySeagoon> welcome tsunam +15:23 <@fmccor> tgall_foo, It is, but not under an obvious subject. +15:23 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: maybe if we have a list of members emails, we email each one +15:24 <@tgall_foo> i would like top suggest that in either case that a post on gentoo.org with the link to the proposed agenda should suffice +15:24 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: thus no option to not get, no need to be on a list or following, direct email, will bounce if they don't get it +15:24 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, It must not have an opt out ... so gentoo-foundation-announce would be good with all members subscrible +15:24 <@tgall_foo> least until the bylaws are worked out +15:24 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: bounce can be considered return to sender wrt to regular mail +15:24 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yeah that works +15:25 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we have list of emails, we add them to ml, we use ml for notice, guess one might say not personal, but each get's their own copy, just have to know from infra on bounces +15:25 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: I can reject any regular mail and the same should be possible for a mailinglist. Initially, subscribe every member but let them opt-out. +15:25 <@fmccor> wltjr, I think that would be sufficient. +15:25 <@tsunam> course we need an accurate list of members to begin with *cough* +15:25 <@wltjr> yes, and the whole membership process sucks +15:25 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, yeah +15:25 <@tsunam> membership process is +15:25 <@wltjr> members vote to approve other members, I guess we are supposed to have some form? +15:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Well, we are in the process of sorting that +15:26 <@fmccor> Philantrop, I think an opt-out would be the same as a resignation. +15:26 <@tsunam> "been a developer for a year, yes...you're a member of the foundation +15:26 <@tgall_foo> again ... until the bylaws are sorted out ...... how about just a post to gentoo.org for now? +15:26 <@tgall_foo> I agree the membership issue is a bit complicated +15:26 <@wltjr> for devs or staff members it's not a problem, but wrt to the community, users, etc +15:26 < Philantrop> fmccor: Oh, great. So I need to accept any mail if I want to be a member? +15:26 <@fmccor> Any mail to the foundation members, sure. +15:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, nope, you can send it to /dev/null +15:27 <@wltjr> Philantrop: we will likely use email as a form of formal notification in lieu of like snail mail +15:27 <@tsunam> wltjr: community/users have no ability to be in the foundation +15:27 <@tsunam> wltjr: that's not complicated +15:27 < Philantrop> wltjr: As I said: I can reject any mail from my local sports club when the postman wants to deliver it. Same should be possible here. +15:27 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ex devs ? +15:27 <@wltjr> tsunam: well at this time, I think that's something we need to change +15:27 <@wltjr> Philantrop: filter it then +15:27 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: bylaws state that they are gone after a period of time "retired" +15:28 * fmccor favors something like member@foundation.gentoo.org +15:28 <@tsunam> wltjr: I don't +15:28 < Philantrop> wltjr: Some people pay for bandwidth... +15:28 <@wltjr> Philantrop: or as to be removed from the foundation membership +15:28 <@tsunam> Philantrop: what you do on your side, we don't care about +15:28 <@wltjr> Philantrop: if your talking mail from g.o, do it on d.g.o, and via procmail, will never hit your machine or pipe +15:28 <@tsunam> Philantrop: its a non issue +15:28 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, agreed ... but their gentoo.org address may be gone before they leave the Foundation +15:28 <@wltjr> tsunam: I think the by laws at least the draft mentions a application or form we lack +15:29 <@wltjr> tsunam: so I think there is supposed to be ways for he community to join, it's just never been available or created +15:29 <@tsunam> wltjr: 2 seconds... Name: Address: phone number: +15:29 < Philantrop> tsunam: Ok, thanks. Considering that you want to keep non-devs as members, "drive the distribution" and blackmail members into being part of a mailinglist, I think I'll just stay out of this foundation thing. +15:29 <@tsunam> wltjr: no... +15:29 <@wltjr> tsunam: 4.3, membership application +15:29 <@fmccor> wltjr, The bylaws can authorize the trustees to set such a thing up. +15:30 <@tsunam> wltjr: you are supossed to apply to become a member of the foundation. We have until this point just said anyone who's been a year is lumped in +15:30 <@tgall_foo> well are we trying to implement notification of members prior to acceptance of the bylaws .. or are we trying to get something in place prior to the approval of the bylaws just so people cn know about these meetings ? +15:30 <@tsunam> wltjr: we've always limited it to the developers +15:30 <@tsunam> wltjr: there's no way to tell the good longstanding of a "user" they could have been around for 7 years, or 7 days +15:31 <@wltjr> developers/staff members, etc, should get auto application/joining of foundation as part of recruitment, which they can opt out of during recruitment or afterward I guess +15:31 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, I don't see the order as important, the members don't get to vote on the bylaws this time round. +15:31 <@wltjr> tsunam: well application doesn't mean acceptance +15:31 <@fmccor> tsunam, I'd leave the possibility in the bylaws and bump the details to action by the trustees. +15:31 <@NeddySeagoon> They may get to vote on chnages, later +15:31 <@wltjr> as I read it, applications are voted on by all members, which a 1/3 majority or etc would be required for approval or acceptance into foundation +15:31 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, true... seems to me that short term as long as we get the word out as best can that should be good enough until the bylaws are in force at which case we will be in agreement on membership issues +15:32 <@fmccor> Correct --- bylaws (by law, in fact) are initially under control of the board (trustees). +15:32 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, ok. I propose we postpone further discussion on this topic until the bylaws are agreed +15:32 <@wltjr> and the board or officers have no influence or power of membership, that's purely up to a vote, once there are members to the foundation, or so section 4 seems to read +15:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Do I hear a second ? +15:32 <@wltjr> yeah this is all by law sstuff +15:32 <@fmccor> Second +15:32 <@tgall_foo> second +15:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +15:33 <@fmccor> And agreed. +15:33 <@wltjr> yeah +15:33 <@tgall_foo> yea +15:33 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, lets move on +15:33 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, back to you Gentoo Foundation Banking +15:34 <@tsunam> waiting on EIN as I have no intention to use my EIN (social security) to setup the bank account +15:34 * wltjr wonders if there is much he can do less NM papers +15:34 <@wltjr> tsunam: never got that from g2boojum ? +15:34 <@tsunam> nope +15:34 <@tsunam> I've not gotten the value of the check he has in his posession either +15:34 <@wltjr> tsunam: did you get access to store? does any trustee have access to it? +15:34 <@tsunam> and I've called him twice +15:34 <@tsunam> wltjr: nope +15:35 <@fmccor> Our NMPRC# is 2463313 +15:35 <@wltjr> ok, we need to get on g2boojum then a bit, so we can leave him alone :) just need a check and EIN from him +15:35 * wltjr will look for EIN lookup tool +15:35 <@tsunam> I really need access to the value of the check so that I can get close to balancing the entire foundation quarterly reports +15:35 <@tsunam> that's the hold up I have on the quarterly reports for the past 2 years +15:35 <@wltjr> tsunam: also the store has $$ I hear +15:35 <@fmccor> That seems to be how New Mexico identifies us. +15:35 <@tsunam> fmccor: that won't work for opening a bank account +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Its pretty moot until we have a working bank account +15:36 <@tsunam> fmccor: ein is a federal tax number +15:36 <@tgall_foo> indeed +15:36 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well tsunam still needs to be aware of amounts and in control of store +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, True +15:36 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: might be able to transfer store funds to paypal, or something +15:36 <@wltjr> one location +15:37 <@fmccor> tsunam, NM doesn't care about that, so I don't have it. +15:37 <@wltjr> tsunam: we should see if you can put that check into paypal for now +15:37 <@tsunam> fmccor: aye :( +15:37 <@tsunam> wltjr: no +15:37 <@wltjr> so all funds are in one place till we have a bank account +15:37 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, is there any point is anyone else calling g2boojum ? +15:37 <@wltjr> tsunam: well up to you, just didn't want you to have to track $ else where +15:37 <@tsunam> wltjr: I don't want all gentoo money in an account that can be shut down temporary by paypal itself and we have access to NO money +15:38 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, agreed +15:38 <@wltjr> tsunam: I doubt paypal would do that to a NPO, a quick phone call to the news or etc would likely end that +15:38 <@tsunam> wltjr: possibly +15:38 <@wltjr> tsunam: but who's to say the same couldn't happen to the store? +15:38 <@tsunam> wltjr: I'd rather avoid the issue though +15:38 <@wltjr> tsunam: or the check be lost or etc +15:38 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the mud would stick. Lets keep or money in several places +15:38 <@wltjr> tsunam: well IMHO I would trust PayPal with $ before cafepress +15:38 <@fmccor> Could you put it into an escrow account? +15:38 <@tsunam> wltjr: it'd be in a firesafe box with grant, same with me, and unless either of us kicks the bucket we'd know where it is +15:39 <@tsunam> wltjr: also be sent via fexex/ups with tracking +15:39 <@tgall_foo> well once we have the check we should have the ein which gets us an account +15:39 <@wltjr> tsunam: and insured? +15:39 <@tsunam> tgall_foo: correct +15:39 <@tsunam> wltjr: should be yes +15:39 <@wltjr> tsunam: point being if bank is MIA if anything happens to check what then? +15:39 <@tsunam> wltjr: be expensive to insure =) +15:39 <@wltjr> thus cash ASAP IMHO and get some where you can control +15:40 <@wltjr> tsunam: should be moot, should have status before funds :) +15:40 <@tsunam> wltjr: we've not had access to that cash in the check for 2 years... +15:40 <@wltjr> depending on when we get in touch with g2boojum +15:40 <@tsunam> wltjr: this all assumes the check is still GOOD +15:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for any more on banking ? +15:40 <@tgall_foo> is it a cashier's check? +15:40 <@wltjr> I am pretty sure I can get EIN, if not from a free online tool I have a client :) +15:40 <@tsunam> wltjr: checks do have a shelf life +15:40 <@wltjr> tsunam: thus cash it, if we need to in PayPal fo rnow +15:40 <@wltjr> before g2boojum heads for mexico +15:40 <@tsunam> lol +15:40 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +15:40 <@tsunam> again, I need the check for that +15:40 <@wltjr> tsunam: same for the store, before infra buys toys +15:41 <@wltjr> but serious, does anyone have access to the store? +15:41 <@tsunam> wolf +15:41 <@wltjr> isn't that supposed to be under out control? +15:41 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, so the next move is to pester g2boojum +15:41 <@fmccor> Yes +15:41 <@wltjr> tsunam: can you get that from him plz +15:41 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: correct +15:41 <@wltjr> I believe should have been provided during hand over of reins, along with check, ein, etc :) +15:41 <@tsunam> wltjr: I really don't want to be in charge of the store personally but +15:41 <@NeddySeagoon> ok ... lets move on, we can't resolve anythng here +15:41 <@wltjr> tsunam: just for now because it has $ ni it +15:41 <@tsunam> meh +15:41 <@tsunam> fine fine +15:42 <@wltjr> tsunam: I don't care so much about the store, but I hear there is $ there, and it's a few $k I believe +15:42 <@tgall_foo> do one of us have to be in charge of the store? +15:42 <@wltjr> tsunam: I don't see wolf doing anything bad there, but again technicalities, no longer his responsibility in the organization, so +15:42 <@fmccor> No, we can delegate. +15:42 <@tgall_foo> kk +15:42 <@wltjr> yeah I don't care about that, just that any $ goes to the treasurer or is in their control +15:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets get bacl to the agenda please +15:43 <@wltjr> funds should be available to no one else, IMHO +15:43 <@NeddySeagoon> 4. Voicing Foundation Members in #gentoo-trustees +15:43 <@tsunam> I have no issue with that +15:43 <@wltjr> are only devs voiced here? +15:43 <@tgall_foo> lotta work but worth it +15:43 <@NeddySeagoon> The whole point of this was to be able to take votes of the members on IRC +15:43 <@wltjr> sure, ties into having a list though :) +15:43 <@wltjr> and nics that they stick with and don't change +15:44 <@NeddySeagoon> There are no voices here now +15:44 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I would keep the channel public, but voice the members as well. Why? Because then they are immediately identified. +15:44 <@wltjr> I have np with members having a voice, once we have a list and know who they are :) +15:44 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, you think its useful for other things than voting ? +15:44 <@fmccor> E.g., I can see the trustees by the little green dot. I'd like to be able to see the members by the little orange dot. +15:45 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, It's useful for a quick count of what members are here in case we ever need it. +15:45 <@NeddySeagoon> My view is that anyone may speak and seek to inflence the foundation but only members get to vote ... so why bother woth voice ? +15:46 <@tgall_foo> just a quick identifier.... +15:46 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +15:46 <@fmccor> Right. +15:46 <@tgall_foo> perk of membership :-) +15:46 <@fmccor> Also right. +15:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion that members be voiced here, after the bylaws have been adopted +15:46 <@fmccor> second. +15:46 <@tsunam> aye +15:46 <@NeddySeagoon> vote +15:46 <@fmccor> Yes. +15:46 <@wltjr> yeah +15:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +15:46 <@tgall_foo> yea +15:47 <@NeddySeagoon> 5. Bugs Assigned to Trustees +15:47 <@NeddySeagoon> 117837 Funding request: wildcard SSL cert +15:47 * wltjr would like to wait on the SSL cert with CA till we have a new papers +15:47 <@fmccor> Reasonable. +15:47 <@wltjr> the letter seems to state the paper work accompanies it, and I know previous paperwork has been sent +15:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need the papers ? +15:48 <@wltjr> but if they question it, like who is requesting it, we have nothing to back that up, as in who we are, and our authority +15:48 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: the letter seems to mention it, infra says they will use letter previously on file, but that just doesn't sound right to me +15:48 <@NeddySeagoon> it should only be a few weeks tops .. ok +15:48 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^ +15:48 <@wltjr> yeah, NM was pretty quick last time, i would imagine by end of next ewek +15:48 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: hmm? +15:49 <@tgall_foo> so table this one ? +15:49 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Can we agreed now that we will fund this as soon as our paperwork is in order ? +15:49 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no need for funding on cert +15:49 <@wltjr> CA is free +15:49 <@wltjr> just have to file papers with them +15:49 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: that's not up to me, I will just write the check/paypal the money if everyone concurs +15:49 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: we have the money to be able to fund it yes +15:49 <@NeddySeagoon> even better +15:50 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, it seems to be free :) +15:50 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we could vote if we want to do CA or paid cert, infra kinda perfers CA for the whole spirit +15:50 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: taco said paid, robbat2 said CA, so :) +15:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to back the CA cert as soon as paperwork is available +15:50 <@wltjr> second +15:50 <@NeddySeagoon> vote +15:50 <@wltjr> yeah +15:50 <@fmccor> yes. +15:51 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ? +15:51 <@tgall_foo> yea +15:51 <@tsunam> abstain +15:51 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, may I ask why ? +15:51 <@tsunam> its whatever infra decides is best for them in my opinion +15:52 <@wltjr> tsunam: stalemate unless another comments on bug +15:52 <@tsunam> they are the ones who ultimatley have to decide so they should pick what they want to use +15:52 <@wltjr> tsunam: I am not getting between taco and robbat2 :) +15:52 <@tsunam> generally stalemates = no :-P +15:52 <@tsunam> wltjr: I have no problem on that :-P +15:52 <@fmccor> wltjr, :) +15:52 <@wltjr> tsunam: so what we do neither? +15:52 <@tsunam> tell infra to pick one +15:52 <@wltjr> tsunam: your the tree hugger, thought you would be on the side of free :) +15:52 <@wltjr> tsunam: I did +15:53 <@tgall_foo> I count 3-0-1 with 1 not voted yet +15:53 <@wltjr> tsunam: I got two answers +15:53 <@wltjr> tsunam: robbat2 commented again about CA so I guess that's final? +15:53 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I understand you abstention. Thank you for sharing. We should go back to infra then, since our role is to support them +15:53 <@wltjr> ok, I will get further comments from them :) +15:54 <@wltjr> ah last comment from taco said no CA +15:54 * tgall_foo notes the motion passed +15:54 * wltjr shakes head at infra +15:54 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, make a comment on the bug that we will support either cert +15:55 < jmbsvicetto> Didn't I send a list with the full list of members of the foundation? +15:55 <@fmccor> Yes. +15:55 < jmbsvicetto> ok +15:55 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, you did +15:55 < jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: The idea was to have an annoucement list that would only be used for things like meetings' notices +15:55 <@NeddySeagoon> next bug # 126707 Proposal to fund bugday incentives/rewards +15:55 * wltjr commented on bug +15:56 < Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Let's talk about that during open floor. +15:56 < jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: sure +15:57 <@tsunam> I would suggest talking to current bugday runners as this bug is over 2 years old +15:57 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm against doing anything like this on a regular basis +15:57 < eroyf> wow +15:57 <@tsunam> see if they still would like it +15:57 < eroyf> that's really old +15:57 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I say we defer till a later date/meeting, low priority, and we have no funds, depending on what they are seeking +15:57 < eroyf> before my time as bugday lead +15:57 <@tgall_foo> I agree with Grant ... t-shirts or something tangible is best ... cash prize I'm not so hot on that kind of idea +15:57 < eroyf> does welp know about it? +15:57 <@wltjr> or close it :) +15:57 <@tsunam> eroyf: unlikely +15:57 <@fmccor> tgall_foo, I agree +15:57 < eroyf> i didn't know about it +15:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets close +15:57 <@NeddySeagoon> it +15:57 < eroyf> giving cash prizes sucks.. give them a t-shirt instead or something +15:58 < eroyf> that'd be win +15:58 < eroyf> but talk with welp about it +15:58 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, k ... and then they can reopen with a proposal if they really want to do that ? +15:58 <@NeddySeagoon> eroyf, shipping costs more than the Tee shirt +15:58 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, yes +15:58 <@wltjr> also once funds are available and plentiful, after bank account etc +15:58 < eroyf> NeddySeagoon: yeah :( +15:58 <@tgall_foo> I'll volunteer to talk to welp about it then if everyone is ok with that +15:59 <@fmccor> Fine with me. +15:59 <@wltjr> no problem here +15:59 <@NeddySeagoon> motion to close bug 26707 Proposal to fund bugday incentives/rewards +15:59 <@tgall_foo> second +15:59 <@NeddySeagoon> vote +15:59 <@fmccor> Yes. +15:59 <@tsunam> yes +15:59 <@wltjr> yeah +16:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +16:00 <@tgall_foo> yea as well +16:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Bug 77966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities +16:00 * tgall_foo was typing minutes at the time ;-) +16:01 <@tgall_foo> bug 177966 FYI +16:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm not sure what this one means +16:01 <@tgall_foo> dunno either ... motion to close +16:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops ... copy and past from the agenda +16:01 <@tsunam> basically, we need to define clearly what is outside of the core gentoo (every company) +16:01 <@tsunam> and that no matter how much money they give, they can't push the foundation to do anything +16:01 <@tsunam> needs to be clearly defined +16:01 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Won't the bylaws do that ? +16:02 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: cause vendors are going to read our bylaws *nods* +16:02 <@tgall_foo> yeah seems like bylaws thing to at least keep our eyes on +16:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets keep this bug open until the bylaws are adopted +16:02 <@wltjr> yeah and it seems per wolf's comments on -nfp he would like to see the foundation be more of a liason between the community and development and steer that +16:03 <@wltjr> which will have to do with vendors and sponsors, as they are community members, in a sense and might want to influence or steer, etc +16:03 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I think that's how the Foundation was envisoned +16:03 * wltjr has no opposition, but the foundation is a long way from taking care of itself much less leading anything or being a liason +16:03 <@NeddySeagoon> wolf said as much +16:03 <@wltjr> I think we can lay down that foundation, but I am not sure if we will get to see the reality +16:03 <@wltjr> by the time we sell it to members, the council, etc, likely be next year :( +16:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to keep this bug running until the bylaws are adopted +16:04 <@wltjr> good for gentoo, which is bigger than us lowly board members +16:04 <@wltjr> second +16:04 <@NeddySeagoon> vote +16:04 <@wltjr> yeah +16:04 <@fmccor> yes +16:04 <@tgall_foo> ney +16:04 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, ? +16:05 <@tgall_foo> I'd personally still close that one out .... but no worries ... +16:05 * wltjr hmm, get's spicey, grabs some popcorn +16:05 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ? +16:05 <@tsunam> abstain +16:06 <@tsunam> this one really doesn't matter to me, I think we need to change the wording on the page but others feel the "bylaws" are enough so +16:06 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, I see the closure of the bug as some words pointing to a section in the approved bylaws +16:06 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, sure that works as well +16:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried - just +16:06 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: then do you change your vote? if not motion doesn't pass +16:06 <@tgall_foo> personally I'm not sure we can have a set of bylaws that wouldn't say something to that effect based on donations .. again .. no matter! +16:06 <@tsunam> I don't think that's a valid approach but meh +16:07 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr 3 out of 5 is ok +16:07 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, well Neddy hasn't voted yet +16:07 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I didn't think we had that, unless you voted yeah, guess that's implied by motion +16:07 * NeddySeagoon votes Aye +16:07 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: yeah that's what I thought, my count was 2-1-1 +16:07 <@tgall_foo> there ya go .. passes +16:07 <@wltjr> ok better :) +16:08 * wltjr checks his anal retentiveness, yep all there :) +16:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Next bug 205965 [Tracker] Legal Issues It was still empty last time I looked +16:09 <@wltjr> I say defer on the last one, I have no interest in talking about licenses atm +16:09 <@tgall_foo> yup still is now +16:09 <@tgall_foo> so nothing to do there :-) +16:09 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, yeah I agree +16:09 <@wltjr> pretty low priority, so likley can put back a few meetings +16:09 <@fmccor> wltjr, nor do I +16:09 <@wltjr> unless member base protests :) +16:09 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, is should be quite quick - everything else has moved to ver 3 +16:10 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: ok +16:10 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: kernel hasn't :-P +16:10 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: is that something we should decide or members vote on? +16:10 < jmbsvicetto> Is this to move the ebuilds licenses from GPL-2 to GPL-3? +16:10 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Gentoo docs have +16:10 <@tgall_foo> ah .. reading the bug more fully yeah .. seems like a no brainer to approve +16:11 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, Only the Foundation pages on g.o +16:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Bug 212021 Consider switching to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 +16:11 * wltjr agrees with NeddySeagoon and tgall_foo after re-reading bug, been a bit, my bad +16:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to move to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 as documents are revised +16:11 <@tgall_foo> tho ... one bug a boo +16:11 <@tgall_foo> "I'd like to mention that unlike the ebuilds in the tree, there's no "copyright +16:11 <@tgall_foo> assignment" in the documentation team. That could mean that we can't simply +16:11 <@tgall_foo> "relicense" our work under a new version of this license." +16:12 <@tgall_foo> that's a problem +16:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Foundation Docs, that is +16:12 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: Ah, ok. +16:12 <@tsunam> tgall_foo: very good point +16:12 <@tgall_foo> tho reading Neddy's motion ... that works for me +16:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't want to just update the docs for a licence bump +16:13 <@wltjr> seconded +16:13 <@NeddySeagoon> before we vote ... +16:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think there is copyright assignment anywhere in Gentoo +16:14 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, for dev status there is +16:14 <@tsunam> the best we can do on this is to suggest moving forward to use 3.0 as its not copyright assigned, it belongs to creator +16:14 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, you signed something ? +16:14 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, yup ... and so should you have as part of your dev status +16:14 < jmbsvicetto> tgall_foo: It used to be a long, *looong* time ago +16:14 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, Nope +16:14 <@tsunam> tgall_foo: many have not +16:15 <@tsunam> tgall_foo: hasn't in quite a while, it was during the Gentoo INC days when daniel ran +16:15 <@tgall_foo> well .. all it prevents is ownership of files +16:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Is my motion vaild ? +16:15 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: it can only be a "suggestion" +16:15 <@tgall_foo> yup tsunam is right +16:15 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: if voted for +16:15 <@NeddySeagoon> ley me reword it then ... +16:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to suggest a move to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 as Foundation documents are revised +16:16 < jmbsvicetto> tgall_foo: That also doesn' +16:16 <@NeddySeagoon> suggest to authors ... +16:17 < jmbsvicetto> tgall_foo: There's also the legal issue for non-US citizens as that copyright assignment isn't valid in many countries including (most?) of the EU countries +16:17 <@tgall_foo> jmbsvicetto, that's how the FSF does things and it works quite well +16:17 <@tgall_foo> jmbsvicetto, the actual document agreement might have had problems ... but that's a different issue +16:17 <@NeddySeagoon> I think the wider copyright issues are outside the scope of this discssion +16:17 < jmbsvicetto> tgall_foo: One example that has been raised before is Germany as you can't waive your copyright there +16:18 * tgall_foo takes it outside +16:18 <@wltjr> if it needs discussion I say defer, if we all know our stance then vote, approaching 10 mins on this item +16:18 * tgall_foo calls the question +16:18 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems to need more discussion - lets defer +16:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to defer bug 212021 +16:19 <@wltjr> seconded +16:19 <@tsunam> aye +16:19 <@NeddySeagoon> vote +16:19 <@wltjr> yeah +16:19 <@fmccor> yes +16:19 <@tgall_foo> yes +16:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +16:20 < jmbsvicetto> My point was only about ebuilds, not documents and CC-SA +16:20 <@NeddySeagoon> 6 Any other business +16:20 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, ? +16:20 <@fmccor> Yes +16:20 <@wltjr> yes, if we can speak on it or if there is any info, tsunam can you speak, I think you know topic +16:20 <@wltjr> tsunam: mostly a question to you anyway +16:20 <@fmccor> Small point --- could we set a goal for finishing off the bylaws? +16:20 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm going round everone by name +16:21 <@wltjr> fmccor: 2 months max? +16:21 <@tsunam> wltjr: GNi Support +16:21 <@wltjr> tsunam: plz if there is any info +16:21 <@fmccor> wltjr, That works +16:21 <@tgall_foo> yes 2 months max ... 1 month should be reasonable +16:21 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, when will you circulate your email ? +16:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I will try to finish going through the by laws +16:21 <@tsunam> Current status: Servers are not being pulled at this time. I've been in talks with both Philip and Derek (CEO and CTO) respectively +16:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I almost think we might start an email/thread per section +16:21 <@fmccor> tgall_foo, I agree, but other things keep intruding. :) +16:21 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, when will ?? +16:22 <@tsunam> however, there will be some changes to what we have access to and quite potentially some payment monthly we will need to make to GNi +16:22 <@tgall_foo> fmccor: it's a goal ... not a deadline :-D +16:22 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I hope today, let's say end of day tomorrow, have a bunch of home improvement to do, got stalled last night, damn can of mud was dry and solid :( +16:22 <@tsunam> something like bandwidth+power or such +16:22 * wltjr has no problem with Gentoo paying for infra services if funds are available and/or we have revnue +16:22 <@fmccor> tgall_foo, This is an instance where it would be better if we could all get together in a locked room until it was done. +16:23 <@wltjr> fmccor: yeah I was really thinking IRC +16:23 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, do you know approx costs and how it fits our ability to pay +16:23 <@wltjr> what if we do a by laws day? +16:23 <@wltjr> we set aside one day to all sit and hash out the by laws +16:23 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: no costs at this point have been discussed +16:23 <@tgall_foo> fmccor: yes it would ... +16:23 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, thanks +16:23 <@tsunam> It was also brought up that GNi felt and I concur that 501(c)3 was a very important aspect to support +16:23 <@wltjr> I think it's more ideal to both Gentoo and our Sponsors to meet them half way if possible +16:24 <@wltjr> I have no problem with 501c3, we just need to look into what happens if we do something wrong in the first 5 years, and lose status +16:24 <@wltjr> I don't see that being an issue, but we should still be aware before going forward +16:24 <@fmccor> wltjr, by laws day is fine if we can find one. +16:24 <@tgall_foo> ok .. so for something actionable there ... seems like a by-laws day ? +16:24 <@tsunam> I have a contact that has done 501(c)3's and has an organization as such that I"m in contact with +16:24 <@wltjr> fmccor: yeah and time zones don't help, really it shouldn't be more than 3-4 hours or so +16:25 < jmbsvicetto> open to the members or just for the trustees? (bylaws day) +16:25 <@NeddySeagoon> it can't be a day ... we are spread over 8 timezones +16:25 <@wltjr> tsunam: yes but it's not up to us +16:25 <@wltjr> tsunam: we are relying on 4 other boards +16:25 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, it'll just seem like a day +16:25 <@tsunam> wltjr: 4 other boards? +16:25 <@tgall_foo> first week in may ? +16:25 <@wltjr> tsunam: 5 years, 1 + 4 +16:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Does everyone have VoIP ? Can we do it voice ? it will be faster +16:25 <@tsunam> wltjr: if its setup properly, they should have no ability to violate it in that time +16:25 <@wltjr> tsunam: I don't want to see our hard work go down the drain and status revoked to a private charity, without possibility of seeking 501c3 again +16:25 <@fmccor> No. +16:26 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I could, but no mic generally unless I'm on the desktop +16:26 <@wltjr> tsunam: yes, lots of ways to violate even if on accident +16:26 * fmccor does not have VoIP +16:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Scratch VoIP +16:26 <@wltjr> tsunam: again I don't see it being a huge issue, but there is the potential liability, and not sure about you, I want to make sure my efforts last +16:26 <@tsunam> wltjr: you have a serious issue of trust :(. Ultimately you have to rely and believe that those who take over will do the right thing +16:27 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, you might still be a trustee in 5 years +16:27 <@wltjr> tsunam: I think it's proven on avg humans don't do the right thing, without some rules :) +16:27 <@tsunam> wltjr: saying we're not doing something because of what someone in the future might do...is sabatoge of the entire organization +16:27 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: sure, but there are lots of circumstances +16:27 <@wltjr> ok let me put it this way +16:27 <@fmccor> Yes, in general there is little turn over in a Corporate Board. +16:27 <@wltjr> if it was easy to become a 501c3, the IRS wouldn't require a 5 year probation or what ever period :) +16:27 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, All we can do is lay a solid foundation for others to build on +16:28 <@wltjr> I agree, but again there is a reason the IRS waits 5 years before granting status forever +16:28 <@tgall_foo> the linux kernel would have serious problems if it didn't have a network for trust .... +16:28 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: At this point are you sure there'll be gentoo distro in 5 years? +16:28 <@tgall_foo> anyway ... is there something actionable here ? +16:28 <@tsunam> currently no +16:28 <@wltjr> those reasons might be some what out of our control, and I just want to know what happens with then $hit hits the fan +16:28 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: if we do things right yes +16:28 <@tgall_foo> ok ... so any other business ? +16:29 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: if we do things right, Gentoo might be able to start funding and carrying itself, and really moving foward, securing it's own future +16:29 * tgall_foo needs to get going +16:29 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I like your email thread per section ... it will save bandwidth. Any reason not to to it on -nfp ? +16:29 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: not at all, just might get more input and lengthy process, but section by section will keep each email lenght managable :) +16:29 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +16:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, AoB ? +16:30 <@wltjr> ok, so we need to wrap up, and give some time for open floor +16:30 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, AoB ? +16:30 * fmccor has nothing else. +16:30 <@wltjr> tsunam: so anything immediate from GNi? are we ok between now and next meeting or will we need to pay them at all +16:30 <@tgall_foo> AoB ? +16:30 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no just to wrap up where things are at wrt to GNi +16:30 <@tgall_foo> rather AoB == ?? +16:30 <@tsunam> wltjr: currently nothing +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, Any other Business ... the current agenda item :) +16:31 < jmbsvicetto> tsunam: Any other Business +16:31 <@tsunam> wltjr: I will need to talk with derek some more about the options and get an update +16:31 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, AoB == none for me +16:31 <@wltjr> tsunam: ok, so we can get an update next month, and hopefully not invoices/bills in the mean time +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, AoB ? +16:31 <@tsunam> jmbsvicetto: I knew what AOB is =) +16:31 * fmccor didn't. :( +16:31 <@wltjr> tsunam: cool, no worries, not trying to pester or bug, just wanting to know if we need to act sooner than later +16:31 <@tsunam> wltjr: I know +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Nothing from me either +16:31 <@wltjr> finally got in touch with a buddy from Sonic.net yesterday, so will lobby them soon +16:32 <@NeddySeagoon> 7. Open floor +16:32 <@wltjr> tsunam: you got my emial about being in CA next week/weekend 29th-4th +16:32 <@tsunam> wltjr: aye +16:32 <@tsunam> wltjr: not sure, south bay area folk don't tend to like to head up to SFO +16:33 <@NeddySeagoon> SFO ? +16:33 <@wltjr> tsunam: yeah, wasn't sure if the indian place was worth a meet +16:33 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: san francisco +16:33 <@tgall_foo> say .. did anyone still have in their buffer or grab a log? I alas didn't remember to start saving until 14:33 local time +16:33 <@tgall_foo> I was taking minutes tho so things are at least recorded +16:33 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, Well, my logger is here +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> and its all in my back buffer +16:34 < jmbsvicetto> tsunam: sorry +16:34 < jmbsvicetto> tsunam: meant tgall_foo +16:34 <@tsunam> jmbsvicetto: lol no worries =) +16:34 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, groovy .. could you send it to me via email then? +16:34 <@tgall_foo> I'll push the minutes out this evening +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, ok +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> Anything for open floor ? +16:34 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, thanks! +16:34 <@wltjr> Philantrop: did you have something? +16:34 < Philantrop> May I just ask why non-devs should be members of the Foundation? I didn't really find a reason on -nfp@. +16:35 < Philantrop> wltjr: ^^^ +16:35 <@tgall_foo> Philantrop, what is your definiton of a non-dev ? +16:35 <@wltjr> Philantrop: just a default, I think we will have provisions for them to remove themselves +16:35 < Philantrop> tgall_foo: Anyone who's not in our LDAP. +16:35 <@NeddySeagoon> As the bylaws are being proposed, there is no provision for non devs to be menbers +16:35 <@tsunam> Philantrop: I beleive the main reason for that ability is that people are looking for those who have specialization in running business's/nfp's and wuld do better then developers +16:35 <@wltjr> Philantrop: just a convienience, since they are contributing, part of the community, etc +16:35 <@tgall_foo> Philantrop, so what would be their interesting gentoo then ? +16:36 <@wltjr> Philantrop: are you talking users, or like gentoo staff? +16:36 < Philantrop> wltjr: Ex-devs. +16:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Longer term, it might be a good idea as they have wider interests than the dev pool +16:36 <@wltjr> then again my thoughts are kinda the same for all +16:36 <@tsunam> wltjr: gentoo staff are in ldap +16:36 <@wltjr> Philantrop: well door should be open to them, but keep in mind, application is not acceptance +16:36 <@tgall_foo> Philantrop, well if they remove the "ex" .... +16:36 <@wltjr> atm acceptance is determined by a vote of the members +16:37 <@wltjr> I would like to see that expanded a bit, or requirements reduced, so all members don't have to vote anytime someone wants in +16:37 <@wltjr> trustees/officers should have some say or influence on acceptance, maybe +16:37 <@tgall_foo> I dunno .. I have a bit of a problem with people being involved with an organization and not willing to be a member ... IE if you want to be a foundation member and volunteer the time .. you ought to be able to maintain dev status +16:37 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: There's nothing preventing non-devs from becoming officers +16:37 <@wltjr> Philantrop: does that address your concern? +16:37 <@NeddySeagoon> lets get the bylaws adopted first ... they can be amended later +16:37 < Philantrop> tgall_foo: Exactly my point. +16:38 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I think Wulf's (Philantrop) question is about members +16:38 <@wltjr> I think if a status is removed for some negative reason, that would be grounds for declination of application +16:38 <@wltjr> but any former dev, is the same as someone not affiliated with gentoo +16:38 < Philantrop> More specifically: I don't really feel comfortable with someone who has been a dev some years ago to still influence the GF. +16:38 <@wltjr> they can come back as a user, or foundation member, I guess, shouldn't be anything wrong with that +16:39 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, it will be an interesting email thread +16:39 <@wltjr> Philantrop: their influence will be very minor, just a voice as one of an unlimited number of members +16:39 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, but they have a vote +16:39 <@wltjr> Philantrop: no way for a single person really to have much influence, unless they have followers that are members :) +16:39 <@wltjr> but action requires 1/3 of members +16:39 < Philantrop> wltjr: You're the one with the trust issue ;-) - what if they team up? +16:39 <@fmccor> Philantrop, I guess I disagree. It's quite possible for someone to have an interest in Gentoo but not wish to be a developer. +16:39 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, it's like selling your shares in a company .. and coming back to the stock holder's meeting and voting +16:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, Why, its not technical influence ? +16:40 <@wltjr> Philantrop: I believe the power section gives the board/officers power to overrule, if not we can see about adding that +16:40 <@wltjr> yes, but this is volunteer +16:40 <@wltjr> I might volunteer to the Red Cross today, then take a few years off, and then go on a mission +16:40 <@wltjr> what's wrong with that? +16:40 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: Well, you seem to agree with wolf's mail on -nfp@ that you want to "drive the distribution". That would be more than just keeping Gentoo's assets which I think the Foundation should be limited ot. +16:40 < Philantrop> *to +16:40 < jmbsvicetto> I think we could gain a lot from moving in the direction of the Mozilla Foundation or the Fedora/OpenSuSE involvement of users +16:41 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, nothing ... and during that time if you go ex-dev ... then come back ... just get rid of the ex... that's all I sask +16:41 <@tgall_foo> s/sask/ask/ +16:41 < Philantrop> tgall_foo: Exactly. +16:41 <@wltjr> sure, but when I come back i might come back in a non-dev form +16:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, I read wolfs email to mean "facilitate by opening doors" +16:41 <@tgall_foo> and we have a very liberal definition of developer here +16:41 <@wltjr> maybe I am older wiser, went from being a programmer, to managing groups of them +16:41 <@fmccor> Yes, it will be an interesting thread. I strongly disagree with Foundation members must be developers. +16:42 <@wltjr> who knows, but wrt to foundation and members, all we are talking is ideas +16:42 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, heh cat herding +16:42 < Philantrop> wltjr: Then you probably don't have enough interest in Gentoo. It's really simple to become any kind of dev. +16:42 <@wltjr> Philantrop: there is more to Gentoo than just technical aspects +16:42 <@fmccor> Developers are actually pretty ill suited for the role (in my opinion only). +16:42 <@wltjr> Philantrop: what about education? +16:42 <@wltjr> that's part of our mission, what if I want to teach people Gentoo +16:42 < Philantrop> wltjr: Docs, forums staff, etc. - all devs. +16:42 <@tgall_foo> fmccor: right .. but remember ... we have a very liberal definition of developer here +16:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, its not so simple to become staff. Staff are often invited +16:43 <@wltjr> Philantrop: what about users or teachers who teach Gentoo in school +16:43 <@wltjr> Philantrop: or sys admins who use our stuff daily +16:43 < Philantrop> wltjr: Why should they have *any* influence on the Gentoo Foundation? +16:43 <@wltjr> Philantrop: chicken and egg +16:43 <@tgall_foo> there might be a new "class" of developer who doesn't write code or docs or work on infra .. but still does something else +16:43 <@wltjr> Philantrop: no users, no distro, even if there are devs, no sponsors, no infra +16:43 <@wltjr> Philantrop: think ebay, do they care about sellers, no +16:43 <@fmccor> tgall_foo, That would be Foundation member, no? +16:43 <@tgall_foo> but before that happens .. people are going to have to be convinced it's a class of dev that makes sense +16:44 <@wltjr> Philantrop: no buyers, no sellers +16:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, Looking back over the time since the Foundation was started, there is little evidence that developers want to run it +16:44 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: Not to run it but to influence it. +16:44 <@wltjr> Philantrop: and there is a ton of non-developer work to be done +16:44 <@fmccor> Foundation is almost all non-developer. +16:44 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: Especially if you want to do more than just safe-keeping the assets. +16:44 <@wltjr> Philantrop: it's more than that +16:45 <@wltjr> Philantrop: what do you consider things with sponors? an assest? +16:45 < Philantrop> wltjr: It shouldn't be, IMHO. +16:45 < Philantrop> wltjr: Of course. +16:45 <@wltjr> Philantrop: and what about when there are no assests? +16:45 <@wltjr> as in funds? +16:45 < Philantrop> wltjr: Then we don't need a Foundation. +16:45 < Philantrop> wltjr: Assets != funds. +16:45 <@wltjr> Philantrop: a foundation can also generate such things, not just be accountable +16:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, Well, they didn't want to influence it either... We have 28 nicks in the channel, 5 trustees, my logger leaves 22 nicks who might by trying to infulence us +16:46 <@wltjr> Philantrop: point is we have not done fund raising, etc +16:46 < Philantrop> wltjr: Think of the Gentoo trademark in the USA. +16:46 <@wltjr> Philantrop: that's one aspect, but not all of it, or mission is beyond just assets and trade mark enforcement +16:47 <@tgall_foo> well sounds like this is a deeper discussion as part of our membership discussion for the bylaws +16:47 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: Give them some time... :-) +16:47 <@wltjr> and that's as things are now, if we can do all those things and move beyond to what like wolf and others have spoken of +16:47 <@fmccor> Philantrop, I think we all have a view of where the Foundation should be headed, and I suspect yours and mine are different. :) +16:47 < Philantrop> fmccor: Most likely, yes. :-) +16:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, So far its been yourself and jmbsvicetto +16:47 <@wltjr> Philantrop: bottom line to have real influence over the foundation, you need to be on the board or an officer, members have limited powers to a point +16:47 <@tgall_foo> if there isn't anything else to be raised ... I suspect a motion to adjourn woudl be good so the membership .... discussion to go somewhere where there are drinks involved +16:48 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: Yes, but just wait till you have details on GNi... :-> +16:48 <@wltjr> wrt to NM, members are pretty much powerless :) and for most all other legal matters, and it seems board and trustees can overrule members, so :) +16:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, I don't think we will resolve anyting here. The bylaws will be on -nfp you can comment on the emails there +16:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we close the meeting please +16:48 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: Yes. +16:48 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: agrees we should adjorn meeting +16:48 <@fmccor> wltjr, everything comes down to the board. +16:48 <@tgall_foo> motion to adjourn +16:48 <@fmccor> second +16:48 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +16:48 <@wltjr> fmccor: which is why we are on it +16:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +16:48 <@wltjr> yeah +16:48 <@tgall_foo> yes +16:49 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +16:49 <@fmccor> yes +16:49 <@tsunam> yes +16:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +16:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of next meeting +16:49 <@NeddySeagoon> ?? +16:49 <@tgall_foo> thanks everyone! (2 weeks aka May 4th 19:00 UTC) +16:49 <@NeddySeagoon> For the bylaws ? +16:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Meeting Closed diff --git a/2008/051108.txt b/2008/051108.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..15e1e97 --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/051108.txt @@ -0,0 +1,474 @@ +--- Log opened Sun May 11 00:00:53 2008 +14:23 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o NeddySeagoon] by ChanServ +14:25 -!- NeddySeagoon changed the topic of #gentoo-trustees to: Join our public mailing list gentoo-nfp at lists dot gentoo dot org | Next meeting, here, Sunday 11 May at 1900 UTC. (Postponed from 4 May) | Agenda Review and Adopt the Bylaws http://xrl.us/bjk6h | Logs/Minutes of past meetings http://tinyurl.com/2qcb4o | Read for todays meeting ---> http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/FoundationBylawsProposed_2.xml +14:31 * fmccor signs in +14:41 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, read the link http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/FoundationBylawsProposed_2.xml +14:43 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Doing it now +14:45 <@NeddySeagoon> 'taco says we can have a foundation-announce list +14:47 <@wltjr> draft looks good so far to where we are at, I would like to change the annual meeting, to monthly, with one of them being the annual, I will see about providing some wording there per discussion on -nfp +14:48 <@wltjr> also wrt to legal requirements for by laws, let's not worry to much there, since that stuff might be state specific, much less outdated per the type of entity we are +14:49 <@wltjr> I will be around for meeting +14:52 <@fmccor> Great +14:52 <@fmccor> I'd also like to activate the domain name at some point. +14:52 <@wltjr> the foundation one? +14:53 <@fmccor> Yes. +14:53 <@tsunam> morning +14:53 <@tsunam> well almost afternoon +14:53 <@fmccor> I think we can use it to make voting much easier --- give each member a limited account there for purposes of voting. +14:54 <@fmccor> tsunam, You need to catch up with the rest of us. +14:54 <@fmccor> :) +14:54 <@wltjr> tsunam: was about to say even in the west, almost noon :) +14:55 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I have I think 3 minor comments on your posting, so I'm easy today. :) +14:56 <@fmccor> wltjr, If we can find a reasonable host for gentoo-foundation.org, I think we can make good use of it for some Foundation-specific matters, such as voting (as I mentioned). +14:57 <@tsunam> is there a reason not to talk to infra about it? +14:58 <@wltjr> fmccor: I don't have a problem there, but maybe a webapp could do the same thing? +14:58 <@fmccor> None at all, if we have some reasonable use for it to talk with them about. I think we do, and should discuss it next week. +14:58 <@wltjr> fmccor: not sure we need real accounts, unless we want to vote using existing system and means +14:58 <@fmccor> wltjr, I defer to you on that. +14:59 <@fmccor> wltjr, That was how I was thinking on voting --- take advantage of what we already have in place. +14:59 <@wltjr> fmccor: I am fine with it either way, just not sure about other uses, server just for voting +14:59 <@wltjr> do we plan to have more votting taking place? if so then surely +15:00 <@wltjr> s/votting/voting :) +15:00 <@fmccor> Who knows? Possibly, I suppose. +15:00 < jmbsvicetto> Afternoon +15:00 <@wltjr> fmccor: if infra is cool with it, I am fine no worries +15:00 <@wltjr> fmccor: we likely should take things to member votes more often for major stuff +15:01 <@fmccor> wltjr, It's a good topic for next meeting or so. +15:01 <@wltjr> pathetic hardware and a tiny pipe should be plenty for our needs :) +15:01 <@wltjr> fmccor: surely +15:01 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, its AOB for next meeting +15:01 * fmccor did indeed forget all about mothers' day, and is thus limited to about 90 minutes today. +15:02 <@tsunam> k +15:02 <@wltjr> yeah I skipped out on family gathering :( +15:02 <@NeddySeagoon> What about the idea kicking around to form a Returning Officers project ... note that persons counting votes are suppoed to b Foundation officers +15:02 <@fmccor> If we're quick, can you still make it. +15:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Anyway ... role call +15:02 * fmccor waves +15:03 * tsunam salutes +15:03 <@wltjr> fmccor: nah they started ~2hrs ago, food already cooked and ate, might have been able to attend and rush back +15:03 * wltjr is present +15:03 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, ?? +15:03 <@fmccor> :( Sorry. My fault. +15:03 <@wltjr> no worries, I didn't catch it till I had an inite :) +15:03 <@wltjr> s/inite/invite +15:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, lets start ... wltjr you want to take this meeting, since you have done most of the work up to now ? +15:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Illl take that as a no then +15:05 <@wltjr> ok +15:05 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ? +15:05 <@wltjr> I think the propoposed replacement for section 3.4 notice is good, old and delete can go away +15:06 <@wltjr> I need to put forth a re-write for 3.2, Annual Meeting -> Monthly Meetings +15:06 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: Don't you want that for Board of Trustees meetings? +15:06 <@wltjr> the second part/paragraph of 3.5 seems a little excessive +15:07 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm editing as we go ... can we start at the beginnning ? +15:07 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: no, I think the stuff wrt to meetings in Article 5.x should go away +15:07 <@wltjr> it's redundant IMHO +15:08 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: So you want all meetings to be "members ' meetings"? +15:08 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: sure, just nothing before 3.2/3.4 I see needing to be modified, looks like those were already updated +15:08 <@tsunam> wltjr: a lot of legal documentation is redundant for reasons +15:08 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: meetings are meetings, I don't think we should differentiate +15:08 <@tsunam> that just don't make sense to normal people +15:08 <@wltjr> tsunam: this isn't really a legal document, this is a document describing how we operate +15:08 <@fmccor> tsunam, Not really. It's redundant because of bad writing skills. +15:09 <@NeddySeagoon> it appears the trustees, members and trustees+members can meet separately and such meetings are address separtely +15:09 <@wltjr> also because of re-using others by laws and etc +15:09 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: when will we ever have a meeting of the members? +15:09 <@wltjr> electronically I don't see that being possible, or manageable +15:09 <@wltjr> therefore I see all meetings being board or officers, with members in attendance if they wish +15:09 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: The difference is that if you have meetings of the Board, you don't need to go to such lengths about notices and warning users +15:09 <@wltjr> open floor at end of meeting +15:09 <@fmccor> At least once every 13 months. It would beon IRC. +15:09 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, well, that would be up the the members, if they wanted to exclude the trustees :) +15:10 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: any meeting should have same notice requirements within reason +15:10 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I don't see our members being that organized in that regard +15:10 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: The existing proposal used different notice requirements +15:10 <@wltjr> that's more something that occurs for like share holder meetings etc +15:10 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, The AGM *must* be a meeting including the members +15:11 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: agm? +15:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Annual General Meeting - The Annual Meeting +15:11 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: that is a stupid concept IMHO +15:11 <@wltjr> we have an annual election, not meeting +15:12 <@wltjr> the annual meeting should be a changing of guard meeting, done over 2 meetings, not one +15:12 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: Anyway, I think I had this dicussion with you before. I've been a bit distracted with other issues, but I don't recall reading any email about the proposed powers for the Trustees and what actions require a majority vote of the members +15:12 <@wltjr> I really don't like us turing an election into a meeting, they are very different +15:12 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: no where near those articles +15:12 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, its one meeting adjourned for voting +15:12 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: one of the points of that meeting is to present the annual report +15:12 <@tsunam> jmbsvicetto: *nods* +15:12 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: so a role call is taken? +15:13 <@wltjr> meetings implies public voting and open record as to whom voted what +15:13 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: Not really +15:13 <@wltjr> like right now if we vote on something, who votes what is visible, and we can discuss that, thus meeting +15:13 <@wltjr> an election is totally different, there is very little if any discussion +15:13 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, nope - meetings do not imply show of hands votes +15:13 <@wltjr> members aren't trying to discuss and change other members votes per say, as it might be during a meeting where we weight out options and vote based on that +15:13 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: meetings imply role call, who attended +15:14 <@wltjr> which role call is not the same as those qualified to vote +15:14 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we have that from the log +15:14 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: It might not be a valid comparison to the american system, but polictical parties here used to hold a weekend meeting (a congress) during which they have a secret vote to elect a new leader for the party +15:14 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: technically we do that as well, the popular vote is not the one that determines the end result +15:15 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I present that as an example of what our "meeting" looks (would look) like +15:15 <@wltjr> yeah I gues congress meets and votes in laws etc, but there is a record +15:15 <@wltjr> meeting implies minutes +15:15 <@fmccor> wltjr, If it's on IRC, we can see who's present. +15:15 <@wltjr> but we don't vote on irc +15:15 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we still have to have an annual meeting to present reports ... elect trustees +15:15 <@wltjr> we do it over 2 months +15:15 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: annually we need 2 changing of the guard meetings +15:15 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, 2 months <> 2 meetings# +15:15 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: We move the voting to our "mail booths" ;) +15:16 <@fmccor> Meeting is more of a legal formality, where the results are formally presented (as I see it, anyway). +15:16 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thats still TBD. Trustees could hold office for 2 years +15:16 <@wltjr> it's really not that big of a deal to me, but I would prefer us be clear in our election process and etc +15:16 <@wltjr> so is that members must show up and nominate people at the meeting then? +15:16 <@fmccor> I wouldn't think so. +15:16 <@wltjr> well it's a meeting right? being adjourned +15:16 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, that works, provided no discussion is needed prior to any votes +15:17 <@wltjr> so how would a member go about nominating someone'? +15:17 <@wltjr> if this is being tied to a meeting process, members need to show up at one meeting, nominate people which end up on ballot, meeting adjourned vote takes place etc +15:17 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we use the same process as now but adjoourn the meeting for voting +15:17 <@wltjr> but this has nothing to do with what I envision the two changing of guard meetings to be +15:18 <@wltjr> the first of the two, would be existing trustees concluding any open business, nothing to do with election +15:18 <@wltjr> with the new board sitting in, so this meeting takes place after elections +15:18 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, those would be floor nominations to a recommended slate (normally)? +15:18 <@wltjr> then the next meeting, the new board takes over, old board sits in to help, advise, etc +15:19 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: You can call a meeting to start process and then have a discussion (thread) in the -nfp ml where members can nominate candidates for X days and move the voting to the day to be determined +15:19 <@wltjr> ok, but those meetings will preceed the two I am speaking of +15:19 <@NeddySeagoon> we can accept last minute nominations from the floor. Nominations close when the meeting is adjournded for the vote +15:19 <@wltjr> the changing of guard meetings only take place once a new board has been elected +15:19 <@tsunam> we've always handled the elections the same way... +15:20 <@wltjr> it can stand as is, just would like it know I dislike our election process tied to meetings +15:20 <@tsunam> open up elections on -core -dev for nominations +15:20 <@wltjr> the council doesn't do that to my knowledge +15:20 <@tsunam> see who accepts then hold voting +15:20 <@fmccor> tsunam, Yes, and it works pretty well. I'd hate to get hung up on this point. +15:20 <@tsunam> that seems to be the best system for us imo +15:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Noted ... but it seems to work +15:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: it's never been tied to a meeting +15:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: when did a meeting take place before this past election? +15:21 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Yet ... and it still need not be +15:21 <@fmccor> wltjr, I view the meeting as just a formal event. +15:21 <@wltjr> I think we need an article on elections +15:21 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: Not officialy, but it has always been presented as one +15:21 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, who was going to meet with whom ? It was discussed on -core +15:22 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Agreed ... +15:22 <@tsunam> btw I'm limited to 90 minutes myself +15:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to detial the election process in the bylaws +15:22 <@fmccor> second +15:22 <@wltjr> Section 3.6 can be dropped, N/A since we aren't doing individual notices +15:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote ^^ +15:23 * NeddySeagoon aye +15:23 <@fmccor> Yes. +15:23 <@tsunam> yes +15:23 * wltjr yeah +15:23 <@NeddySeagoon> carried +15:24 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr can we drop 3.6 ... is there a legal requirement# +15:24 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: let's not worry about legal requirements atm +15:24 <@NeddySeagoon> 'taco says we can have a mailing list for annoucements +15:24 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I don't see how 3.6 applies to us. +15:24 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: if we move states, they are likely to change, also I don't think allot of the law applies to an organization like ours. I don't see anyone contesting or coming after us over it, so pretty much moot +15:25 <@wltjr> Section 3.7 is quite confusing and long +15:25 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: That could be seen as a "public notice" on a billboard +15:25 <@fmccor> wltjr, I don't even know what is says. :) +15:25 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the point is, do we need (under law) to send notices to members or is an ad in a paper enough ? +15:26 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: for the most part it's up to us +15:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I agree we can drop 3.6. then +15:26 <@fmccor> Notice could read as simply as "send an email to foundation-announce@..." +15:27 <@NeddySeagoon> yep - if we had it ... +15:27 <@wltjr> 3.7 seems to have something to do with the record of members, and fixing a date there? +15:27 <@fmccor> take taco up on his offer, then we do. +15:28 <@wltjr> I think we can drop 3.7 it seems to be related in some ways to 3.6 +15:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I'll raise a bug +15:28 <@wltjr> basically talking about determining which members are entitled to a waiver/notice +15:29 <@NeddySeagoon> 3.7 says you can set a date by which your records will be up to date. New members since that date don't get to vote at the next meeting +15:29 <@fmccor> wltjr, 3.7 seems to say that we fix times for current membership list, sort of like voter registration. +15:29 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, exactly +15:30 <@fmccor> It can be one sentence, however. +15:30 <@wltjr> yeah this 3 sections is kinda ridiculous, and lots of repetative confusing statements +15:30 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, write it please +15:32 <@wltjr> that one is a bitch +15:33 <@wltjr> maybe we can drop b and c and keep just A? +15:33 <@wltjr> b seems NM specific +15:33 <@fmccor> Me, I'd say "Any member of the Foundation at the start of a voting period may vote." +15:33 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, whats a 'voting period' ? +15:34 <@NeddySeagoon> I we can do without a record date - because its all electonic .. we can drop it +15:34 <@fmccor> Oh, like we announce now that voting for Council will open on xxx and close 4 weeks later. +15:34 <@NeddySeagoon> OK - thats the recording date then +15:35 <@NeddySeagoon> open on xxx +15:35 <@fmccor> Yes. +15:35 <@NeddySeagoon> so we do do it +15:35 <@fmccor> I think that's all we need. +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> somebody write some words and emailthem to -nfp please +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> e.g. members as of the date of poll opening are entitled to vode. +15:36 <@wltjr> http://rafb.net/p/5UeB8j85.html +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> vote* +15:37 <@wltjr> but really I dislike this section as meetings of members, I think it should be foundation meetings, we really don't have meetings of members +15:37 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, works for me +15:37 <@wltjr> likely need to add a line that the record date is defaulted to the date of poll opening, unless stated otherwise +15:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats going to become all of 3.7 ? +15:39 <@fmccor> Works for me, too, although I don't think we'll be voting at meetings --- I prefer your "poll opening". You could say "meeting or opening of the polls" I suppose. +15:40 <@tsunam> now here's a silly question who's going to rewrite said sections... +15:40 <@NeddySeagoon> well, poll, may not be at a meeting +15:40 <@fmccor> Right. +15:40 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I'm doing it as we go ... based on the words here +15:40 <@tsunam> k +15:41 <@tsunam> got 2 people with 50 minutes left +15:41 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thats all of 3.7 ? A, B, C go ? +15:41 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, we won't finish today +15:42 <@wltjr> b seems NM specific and first part reads as the first part of a, almost same wording in first sentences +15:43 <@fmccor> wltjr, I think it's lifted from someone else's bylaws --- these proposed bylaws were intended for Deleware originally. +15:43 <@wltjr> c just seems like additional stipulations that if we aren't setting a record date, way in advance of polling etc, really doesn't apply I don't see us setting a record date > 60 days etc, so not sure we need provisions for such +15:43 <@NeddySeagoon> entitled to consent to corporate action ... seems to be covered by 'poll' +15:43 <@wltjr> fmccor: well b mentions New Mexico in a couple places +15:44 <@fmccor> Because NeddySeagoon changed it. :) +15:44 <@wltjr> ah +15:44 <@wltjr> fmccor: well some of this does almost read exactly like the nm docs +15:44 <@fmccor> It's likely boilreplate. +15:44 <@fmccor> ^lre^ler +15:45 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, some of it appears to be lifted from http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll/nmsa2007dec/99b/14f30/150fb?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0#JD_Ch53Art8 +15:45 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, wltjr I'd strike 3.7 A,B,C --- I think the replacement is what we want +15:46 <@fmccor> No need for bylaws to include statutes. +15:47 <@NeddySeagoon> yeah The record date shall be the date of poll opening, unless stated otherwise. covers c) +15:47 <@NeddySeagoon> done +15:48 <@wltjr> do we have addresses and phone #'s to members? 3.8 seems to require that? +15:48 <@tsunam> heck no +15:48 <@wltjr> I think name and email is suffice? +15:48 <@tsunam> we don't even have a full list of members +15:48 <@wltjr> :) +15:49 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, we do - jmbsvicetto provided it +15:49 <@tsunam> when...I never saw one? +15:49 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: just names and emails right? any other info +15:49 <@NeddySeagoon> well, the list used at the last election +15:49 <@fmccor> Perhaps also gpg key like we have on ldap +15:49 <@tsunam> ah +15:49 <@wltjr> fmccor: ok, I like that one +15:49 <@fmccor> tsunam, He sent it to everyone. +15:50 <@fmccor> wltjr, Give jmbsvicetto credit, not me. He reminded me of it. +15:50 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I can dig it out and fwd it if you want +15:50 <@wltjr> surely jmbsvicetto did an excellent job +15:50 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: no need +15:50 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +15:50 <@wltjr> howeer per 3.8 producing the list is a requirement of the trustees not election officials +15:51 <@wltjr> with the last bit saying if we fail do produce that, we can't run +15:52 <@NeddySeagoon> The officer or agent having charge of the membership ... is a Foundation offical. We need to appoint one, or start an elections project, whos memebrs are Foundation offcials +15:53 <@wltjr> here is my re-write for 3.8 http://rafb.net/p/WfIZU393.html +15:53 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm for an elections project ... running the election is non trivial and trustees should not do it +15:54 <@wltjr> also shouldn't record keeping like that fall under secretarial duties? +15:54 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes and election project should also apply for council elections +15:54 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, at least ten (10) days before each meeting of members, ? every month ? +15:54 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yes +15:55 <@NeddySeagoon> and yes +15:55 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well again that's why I think this section should be foundation meetings, not meetings of members, because only thing that involves members, is elections and votes brought to them +15:55 <@fmccor> We need to keep it current anyway --- that's a legal requirement. +15:56 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: but since we aren't separating elections/voting from regular meetings, I think we should keep it +15:56 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, yes ... if its posted on a web page ... its not a lot of work to maintain, if its done regularly +15:56 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +15:56 <@wltjr> hopefully changes between meetings in membership is minimal +15:56 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Needs to be on file with our agent for public inspection. +15:56 <@wltjr> fmccor: really I don't think we need to go that far do we? +15:57 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, well devs become members on the 1st anaversary of the join date +15:57 <@wltjr> ah well yes, needs to be available to public, but not sure we need to have it with RA +15:57 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Oh, so it does. +15:57 <@fmccor> wltjr, As I recall, NM wants it. +15:57 <@wltjr> fmccor: if this stuff is all publically available online, I think we are covered +15:57 <@wltjr> fmccor: and if we leave NM :) +15:58 <@fmccor> Nope. Should just be a matter of sending our agent an email every month or asking the list to be a reference to the URL. +15:59 <@wltjr> fmccor: ok, but that might only be a NM requirement not required in other states +15:59 <@fmccor> wltjr, True. +15:59 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, do we have to maintain the history - or just current ? +15:59 <@fmccor> Current, I believe. +15:59 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +16:00 <@fmccor> Basically, it's there in case anyone wants to go look at it. +16:00 <@wltjr> getting close on time, let's get through this article, all sections and conclude +16:00 <@wltjr> first sentence of 3.9 mentions proxies, which we are dropping +16:00 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +16:00 <@NeddySeagoon> whats the decision on 3.8 ? +16:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I missed that then +16:01 <@wltjr> did any changes need to be made to what I posted in pastebin? +16:01 <@wltjr> http://rafb.net/p/WfIZU393.html +16:01 <@fmccor> Looks fine to me. +16:02 <@NeddySeagoon> 3.9 Except as otherwise required by law, by the Certificate of Incorporation or by these Bylaws, one-third (1/3) of the +16:02 <@NeddySeagoon> members entitled to vote,shall constitute a quorum at a meeting of members. +16:02 <@wltjr> 3.9 is good, just need to remove the stuff about proxy's and classes, one sec will pastebin a re-write +16:02 <@wltjr> unless we need to change the 1/3 etc +16:03 <@NeddySeagoon> done ^^^ +16:03 <@fmccor> 1/3 seems about right +16:04 <@fmccor> It's pretty standard. +16:04 <@NeddySeagoon> thats from NM law +16:04 <@wltjr> http://rafb.net/p/wbdier21.html +16:04 <@wltjr> just removed bits about proxy and classes of members +16:05 <@fmccor> Works for me. +16:05 <@wltjr> on to 3.10 unless there is more on 3.9 +16:05 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +16:05 <@wltjr> 3.10 is fine, except we need to add electronically to this statement/sentence +16:05 <@wltjr> Members shall vote in person +16:06 <@wltjr> electronically +16:06 <@fmccor> You beat me to it. +16:06 <@wltjr> wtf? All votes by the membership shall be cast in the manner specified by the Secretary. +16:06 <@wltjr> more like specified by our election system or process, not the secretary +16:07 <@fmccor> I'd delete it. I think we've already covered how we vote. +16:07 <@fmccor> Right. +16:07 <@wltjr> yeah rest is good +16:07 <@wltjr> 3.11 is going away, I don't see a need, much less a reliable way to track proxies +16:08 <@wltjr> and 3.12, should members have meetings on their own? will that ever happen? +16:08 <@NeddySeagoon> its there for now so it doesn't mess up cross references +16:08 <@fmccor> wltjr, We can't stop it. +16:08 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: sure, once all reference to 3.11 or proxies is gone, can be dropped +16:08 <@NeddySeagoon> it means renumbering stuff +16:09 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: that's likely to happen either way +16:09 <@NeddySeagoon> ... but yeah, do it once at the end +16:09 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: likely will add some sections or articles at some point +16:09 <@NeddySeagoon> 3.12 reflects NM law +16:09 <@wltjr> yeah and mentions writing +16:09 <@fmccor> I'd leave it, even though I can't see it happening. +16:10 <@wltjr> I don't like it +16:10 <@wltjr> first sentence alone +16:10 <@wltjr> Any action required to be taken or which may be taken at any annual or special meeting of members of the foundation, may be taken without a meeting, without prior notice and without a vote +16:10 <@NeddySeagoon> it governs who it has to happen, if it ever does +16:10 <@fmccor> Here, I think "writing" == "gpg-signed email" +16:11 <@wltjr> fmccor: yes but how can a list of gpg-signed emails be produced? +16:11 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, do we need to spell that out ? Its all over ? +16:11 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, No. That was my point, poorly made. +16:11 <@wltjr> this basically says members can take actions on their own, so long as they have a list of all members, and present that to the foundation 60 days in advance +16:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Its a valid point - writing is always gpg signed mail in the bylaws +16:12 <@fmccor> They have the list, because it's public. +16:13 <@wltjr> I don't see any changes per say to 3.12, I just would like to see it go away for now, I don't see it being applicable, and almost implies members could take action without the board/officers +16:13 <@wltjr> which could be a good thing if it's like overturning a sucky board, but that's not what this is implying or stating +16:13 <@fmccor> Well, they can. It's sort of a rebellion and we can't stop it. +16:13 <@wltjr> fmccor: we can by exlcuding it in the by laws +16:13 <@wltjr> or by flat out saying the opposite, they can't meet on their own +16:14 <@wltjr> after all isn't a trustee or officer still a member of the foundation? +16:14 <@wltjr> after they no longer hold position, arent' they still members? +16:14 <@fmccor> Makes no difference to me either way, and in any event, NM (or wherever) law will control. +16:14 <@fmccor> Yes, they are. +16:15 <@fmccor> I have no strong views on this one. +16:15 <@wltjr> at min if we have no direct use, fat, lets trim +16:15 <@NeddySeagoon> lets leave it in ... its boilerplace +16:16 <@wltjr> ok, but I am not much of a fan of boilerplate stuff unless there is a just need or reason +16:16 <@NeddySeagoon> make it easy for members to revolt - legally +16:16 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: let's just hope this doesn't come back to bite the foundation in the arse +16:16 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: just the same as I want to limit trustees power etc +16:17 <@fmccor> This one is so opaque no one can figure out what it says, anyway. We can amend it out if we wish. +16:17 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, it doesn't matter - the law will previal anyway ... I'm easy on this one +16:17 <@wltjr> anyway, we can move on to Article 4, or conlude, up to others +16:17 <@fmccor> wltjr, I have a suggestion for Art. 4 +16:17 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well the law will prevail if the provision is there and used :) +16:17 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yes +16:18 <@wltjr> fmccor: shoot +16:18 <@fmccor> wltjr, Very quickly --- I'd change the "Deleted" on 4.4 -- 4.7 to "Resserved"; +16:18 <@wltjr> ok +16:18 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe - that was only so cross references were preserved +16:18 <@fmccor> And in 4.10, the reference to 4.1 should be to 4.3 +16:18 <@wltjr> yeah, it's going to get re-numbered before final draft +16:19 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +16:19 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: should see if we can use some sort of markup link there :) +16:19 <@wltjr> my guidexml foo is pretty weak atm, but seems like there should be a way +16:19 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I think we are going to want to say a lot more about membership, but I think it's likely to be medium-term, and might need a session dedicated to it. +16:19 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yeah, I will, I don't want to do cross references by hand +16:20 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, agreed +16:20 <@NeddySeagoon> we have 10 min before we lose two people +16:20 <@wltjr> yeah we need a process for how we accept new members, maybe a mebership form/application +16:20 <@fmccor> As it stands, it grandfathers in current members and brings in new members as their developerships ripen. +16:20 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: likely should conlude things then +16:20 <@wltjr> fmccor: but what about the community +16:21 <@wltjr> only devs are members? doesn't seem right +16:21 <@fmccor> Right. +16:21 <@wltjr> or vendors, what if someone from Intel or AMD would like to be a member of the foundation, should be some what open, at least the application process +16:22 <@wltjr> also we need to have a criteria or etc for approval, the current approval is done via member votes or something not feasible or realistic +16:22 <@fmccor> wltjr, I agree, that's why I floated my comments on Article 4. earlier. But for today's purposes, we are not going to flash that out. +16:23 <@wltjr> a couple more meetings like this, and we can wrap up the by laws, with a complete and thorough initial review/re-write +16:23 <@fmccor> wltjr, NeddySeagoon , tsunam So I guess it becomes just a matter of whether we want to take all that up at the next session on this or work through everything and come back to it. +16:23 * wltjr would like to see special sessions on the by laws till completed +16:24 <@tsunam> honestly, I'd just like to review the final document +16:24 <@wltjr> tsunam: ok, you have no input on the various sections? +16:24 <@tsunam> wltjr: not until I see a final draft no +16:24 <@tsunam> wltjr: for bylawys I like to look over the full document +16:25 <@tsunam> you and fmccor and NeddySeagoon seem to like the nitty gritty =) +16:25 <@tsunam> I do have one other issue that wltjr brough up +16:25 <@tsunam> before everyone disappears +16:25 <@wltjr> tsunam: you mean thoroughness? +16:25 <@fmccor> I think we just want to get this out of the way. :) +16:25 <@tsunam> hehe +16:26 <@fmccor> tsunam, quickly please. +16:26 <@tsunam> basically, do we want to pay the lawyer now or wait until there's a status update from the state +16:26 <@fmccor> I think we have to pay him. +16:26 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, whats his payment terms ? +16:26 <@tsunam> as there was the comment if there'd be more cost if something wasn't right +16:26 <@wltjr> we should play it like we are in the process of paying him, and hold of a bit till we can see results +16:26 <@tsunam> there was no term to the remit of payment +16:26 <@fmccor> Treat it like 50 days. +16:26 <@wltjr> tsunam: as long as he is not bugging us for payment, delay +16:26 <@fmccor> ^50^30 +16:27 <@tsunam> sure +16:27 <@tsunam> I can wait until the end of this month +16:27 <@wltjr> tsunam: if he asks, tell him we are waiting on results, if he has issue, we can address that from there +16:27 <@tsunam> wltjr: *nods* +16:27 <@NeddySeagoon> fine by me +16:27 <@tsunam> that's all I had +16:27 <@wltjr> but I think if he asks about payment, and we state that the amount being considerable more than quoted, much less minor mistake in sigs, we would like to be 100% it's correct the first time, no further billing +16:27 <@tsunam> and with that...I'm out +16:27 <@wltjr> unless he is cool with eating any mistakes and not charging more :) +16:28 <@tsunam> wltjr: i would say "doubtful" on that account +16:28 <@NeddySeagoon> 'bye tsunam +16:28 <@fmccor> wltjr, That's a joke, right? +16:28 <@wltjr> fmccor: on him eating charges, yes, attorneys never eat anything +16:28 <@wltjr> although I did make my last one eat $2.5k in bills I refused to pay :) +16:28 <@wltjr> after I paid him > $20k +16:28 <@NeddySeagoon> When do we want to resume ? +16:29 <@fmccor> We have a regular meeting next week. +16:29 <@wltjr> asap to get this over with, but when ever works for others, I have no traveling or events in upcomming weeks/month +16:29 <@NeddySeagoon> I was going to post the updates ... but I've messed up the tags +16:29 <@fmccor> I'd like to do this weekly otherwise until we get it done. +16:29 <@wltjr> fmccor: I agree, keeps focus, and shows progress, effort +16:29 <@NeddySeagoon> week after next then, same time, same place ? +16:30 <@wltjr> sure, and if we have time during meeting next week, we can address some of it +16:30 <@fmccor> And it'll get so painful we'll get through it like it or not. +16:30 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I doubt that +16:30 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, wltjr yes to both for me. +16:30 <@wltjr> yes, this is the type of stuff people gather for, lock themselves in a room till completed +16:30 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yeah +16:31 <@wltjr> and for the record, I HATE this stuff, it's why I have yet to do it for my company :) +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll fix the tags and post what I have ... +16:31 <@fmccor> wltjr, This is an example of what's wrong with email + IRC --- if we could meet in person, we'd be done in half a day. +16:31 <@wltjr> fmccor: agreeed, and phone really doesn't help much at all either +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, well, I have VoIP +16:31 <@wltjr> down the road would be really nice if the foundation had $ to pay for gatherings like this +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, its a long road for me :) +16:32 <@NeddySeagoon> unless everyone comes to the Edinburgh Festival +16:32 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: actually about the same if we meet neutrally like in NY, I think you are like 3k away and so is tsunam +16:32 <@wltjr> or sunny FL :) +16:32 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe. It will be only the 3 of us next time +16:32 <@fmccor> NY & FL work for me --- I can get to both easily by train. :) +16:32 < astinus> when there's an annual Trustee meeting in Florida +16:33 < astinus> all of a sudden we won't have trouble finding people to run +16:33 <@wltjr> astinus: yeah no joke :) +16:33 <@NeddySeagoon> astinus, yeah :) +16:33 * fmccor is boycotting US air travel. +16:33 < astinus> why? +16:33 <@fmccor> Homeland security nonsense. +16:34 <@wltjr> it's not to bad, you get used to the anal probes +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, heh no toothpaste in your hand luggage +16:34 <@fmccor> Yeah, and they want to make sure my shoes won't explode. +16:34 <@wltjr> don't wear shoes +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thats been routine in the UK for years +16:34 <@fmccor> It's all mickey mouse red tape. +16:35 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, its PR to be seen to be doing something +16:35 <@fmccor> That's a more polite way to say it, yes. +16:35 <@wltjr> well I am off to tile a bathroom floor +16:35 <@NeddySeagoon> In the UK, its got so bad that flying no longer saves time over the train +16:36 <@fmccor> Anyway, I have to run. We made good progress, I think. +16:36 <@wltjr> yeah we are moving along, slowly but surely +16:36 <@NeddySeagoon> that was the easy bit :) +16:36 < astinus> say that shoes are an affront to your religion +16:36 < astinus> and you implant explosives in your intestines instead +16:36 <@wltjr> yeah next two articles get hairy, then after that get a bit easier +16:36 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, If I had reason to go to NY or to Boston, train is probably faster. +16:37 <@NeddySeagoon> yeah ... good place to stop +16:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Let me fix the XML tags +16:37 * wltjr goes to mix motar +16:37 <@fmccor> wltjr, If we propose to put Article 4. into final form, please let's all think about it. +16:38 <@wltjr> fmccor: agreed +16:38 <@wltjr> s/motar/mortar +16:38 <@fmccor> But as you all know, it's my particular hot button. In broad terms, I think we probably agree. +16:38 <@fmccor> And with that, I must run. +16:39 <@fmccor> Oh, Kill Article 9. What would we do with a Corporate seal, anyway? +16:52 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor|away, we could have an electronic one ands run a competition for its design ... but I'm with you on that diff --git a/2008/051808.txt b/2008/051808.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..84c0ded --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/051808.txt @@ -0,0 +1,724 @@ +15:00 * NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +15:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +15:00 <@fmccor> Hello +15:00 <@tsunam> here +15:00 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, tgall_foo tsunam wltjr +15:00 <@fmccor> Hello again +15:01 <@tsunam> got 30 minutes remember +15:01 < jmbsvicetto> back +15:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... lets start +15:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Intoductions - I think we can skip that +15:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Foundation Bylaws Status ... +15:02 <@NeddySeagoon> We are legal again - see the link in topic +15:02 * wltjr is present +15:02 <@fmccor> Now all we have to do to stay legal is make sure the annual reports are filed. +15:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops sorry fmccor that was your topic +15:02 <@fmccor> I just finished it. +15:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Foundation Bylaws Status - wltjr please say a few words .. +15:03 <@wltjr> a few words, we are still working on it, I think we are on to the members article, just need to discuss it on -ml, I have been short of time, but don't want that to hold up the process +15:04 <@tsunam> and I don't want to review until its complete +15:04 <@wltjr> possibly should revise that section, make sure there is asection/article on amending the bylaws and then can stamp them as official anytime, and make changes afterwards +15:04 <@NeddySeagoon> we are discussing it here at 19:00 UTC next Saturday - Thats not a formal meeting :) +15:05 <@fmccor> Er, Sunday? +15:05 <@fmccor> I don't care, but need to know which ahead of time. +15:05 <@wltjr> tsunam: that's fine but if you omit taking part in the in depth review, I doubt we will want to revist sections you aren't happy with in depth again afterward +15:05 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, well spotted - I just wanted to make sure you were awake +15:05 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: About the meetings, you still need to clarify which powers will be granted to the officers/trustees and which require a foundation vote +15:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Its in /topic +15:05 <@wltjr> tsunam: so review in entirity is entirely your choice +15:05 <@fmccor> barely. +15:05 <@tsunam> wltjr: duh as far as my choice +15:05 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: I plan to go through the entire thing, and will before end of term, but I can't devote a ton of time to this +15:06 <@tsunam> wltjr: as far as Im concerned revising sections is all good, just need to review the full document as well to make sure it all still makes sense +15:06 <@wltjr> after all I am a dev out of necessity, not want or for fun, so I still have to make time for that, and only have so much for gentoo in general +15:06 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: imho, the meetings section has a direct dependency on that +15:06 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: understood +15:06 <@fmccor> wltjr, Actually, all you need to be is a member of the Foundation. +15:06 <@wltjr> tsunam: sure, I understand your point of view, I have to stop at times and review it as a whole to speak on any sections, just saying don't want to nit pick it again, just after doing that :) +15:06 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, feel free to comment on -nfp +15:07 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: I am still not 100% happy with the meeting section +15:07 <@NeddySeagoon> The bylaws so far are linked from /topic +15:07 <@wltjr> but trying to move on, I think the meeting section should cover all meetings, foundation, board, officers, etc, not just members if there is ever a member meeting +15:08 <@wltjr> fmccor:not sure what that comment refers to about being a member of foudation? +15:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I think thats enough of a progress update. +15:08 <@wltjr> really no progress since last meeting on that topic, which was beneficial +15:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Gentoo Foundation Banking your turn +15:09 <@tsunam> since we're legal I can begin talking to the 3-4 banks I was about what really is an option +15:09 <@tsunam> and with our ein its not related to any of our tax records +15:09 <@NeddySeagoon> so nothing stopping progress now ? +15:09 <@tsunam> i need to talk to grant and see how old the check is...its a possibility that its far too old currently to be deposited and would need to get a new reissue of it +15:09 <@tsunam> shouldn't be no +15:09 <@tsunam> minus the check =) +15:10 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - yeah +15:10 <@NeddySeagoon> What about our end of year on 30 June do you have to do any special then? +15:10 <@tsunam> nothing special for my stuff +15:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Just make up the accounts I suppose ? +15:11 <@tsunam> I need to get the quarterly reports done by then even if I won't be happy with the total difference between what we really have and what we probably have +15:11 <@fmccor> Lawyer is sending us specific information about what we have to file and when to keep NM happy. +15:11 <@wltjr> we likely need to find and retain an accountant +15:11 <@tsunam> any reason not to send payment to the lawyer anymore :-P +15:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Then on the 1st July ... its all our problem, since its a new business year +15:11 <@wltjr> tsunam: no, he did his job, pay him ;) +15:12 <@fmccor> tsunam, No. +15:12 <@tsunam> else I'll make the payment this coming week +15:12 <@NeddySeagoon> No +15:12 <@tsunam> announcement will go to -nfp like previously done +15:12 <@fmccor> There will be one more bill, because he did some work in May. It should be small. +15:12 <@wltjr> unless we want to blame him for typo in tgall name :) +15:12 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, When do you think we will have a bank ? +15:12 <@tsunam> before our next election I hope +15:12 <@tsunam> depends ont the check neddy +15:12 <@wltjr> we also need to find a new RA ASAP before we incur any further bills from Mr. Chew +15:13 <@fmccor> wltjr, As I recall, the paperwork itself was fine. (As to names) +15:13 <@wltjr> I would assume whom ever we retain as a accountain could serve as RA +15:13 <@wltjr> fmccor: yeah, was just nit picking :) nothing that Mr. Chew did +15:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Is there a reason to retain two guys ? +15:14 <@fmccor> wltjr, I'd like to tie all of that to the discussion of where we end up --- i.e., if we want to move states. +15:14 <@tsunam> nothing in particular no +15:14 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, makes sense. So a new RA is low priority ? +15:14 <@fmccor> I'd say for enxt meeting. +15:14 <@fmccor> ^next^ +15:15 <@wltjr> fmccor: I agree +15:15 <@fmccor> Meaning for June. +15:15 <@NeddySeagoon> That soon ... ok, lets move on +15:15 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: as long as Mr. Chew doesn't have to do anything +15:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Bugs Assigned to Trustees +15:15 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, As opposed to before then. July might be better, but not much later. +15:15 <@wltjr> I will see about drafting something up for the SSL bug if we are to proceed with CA cert +15:15 <@wltjr> fmccor: no sooner than later, June +15:16 <@fmccor> wltjr, Matters not to me. :) +15:16 <@wltjr> we need to find a new RA, I don't want to see any further bills from Mr. Chew, he is not affordable and we are spending others $ +15:16 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thats 117837 Funding request: wildcard SSL cert - Awaiting Reincorporation ? +15:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Since time is short, I would like to move to # 176598 Illegal redistribution of sourcecode from 3gpp.org +15:17 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yeah I believe so, can't recall offhand +15:17 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: infra priority +15:17 <@NeddySeagoon> either its stalled or we need to poke someone +15:18 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to look after everyones IPR +15:18 <@NeddySeagoon> does anyone know anything about 176598 ? +15:19 <@wltjr> no, but quick read says we need to contact some package maintainers and have the modify what they are distributing with the package, as in not mirror, and pull directly from source +15:19 <@wltjr> s/have the/have them +15:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, its just a comment on the bug to get them to fetch restrict it, if its still being mirrored ? +15:20 < Philantrop> NeddySeagoon: I mailed upstream about what I wrote in comment 1 but never got a response +15:20 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: technically SSL bug 108944, but 176598 deps on it, so related +15:20 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes, comment on bug, be we need to follow up and make sure it takes place, and or take action directly if not +15:21 <@wltjr> s/be we/but we +15:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Philantrop, We have to act on the information we have ... if that means taking off the mirrors, thats what we have to see is done +15:21 <@tsunam> 176598 has already been resolved, lu_zero has said he'll stop it from being mirrored +15:22 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Thanks - I missed that +15:22 <@wltjr> tsunam: ok, any reason he didn't close it, was he the only maintainer effected +15:22 <@NeddySeagoon> 99151 Request for advertisement space and vendor listing - is new, in that I missed it last time. What do we do for this one ? +15:23 <@wltjr> tsunam: read his comment, but wasn't sure because it wasn't closed +15:23 <@wltjr> tsunam: I would is not I did +15:23 <@wltjr> unless 'd is did, not would +15:23 <@tsunam> easy enough to check +15:23 <@tsunam> sec +15:24 < jmbsvicetto> tsunam: I read "I'd stop" and not "I'll stop". I might misunderstood the comment, though +15:24 <@fmccor> tsunam, It's distributed in a separate package, it seems, which has RESTRICT="mirror" +15:25 <@wltjr> no mention of bug 176598 in ffmpeg changelog +15:25 <@tsunam> both amr* have restrict=mirror +15:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Can it be closed ? +15:25 <@fmccor> media-libs/amrnb +15:25 <@tsunam> fmccor: what I looked at +15:25 <@tsunam> yes it can +15:25 <@wltjr> would have been nice if they mentioned that and/or the bug in Changelog +15:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we do it ? +15:26 <@fmccor> Ha! +15:26 <@wltjr> tsunam: what mplayer ebuild has restrict mirror? I see restrict strip +15:26 <@NeddySeagoon> 99151 Request for advertisement space and vendor listing - is new, in that I missed it last time. What do we do for this one ? +15:26 <@tsunam> wltjr: mplayer doesn't need it +15:27 <@tsunam> wltjr: only amr* does asa that's what is what is in question +15:27 <@wltjr> tsunam: the bug says is does? I see no restrict on ffmpeg either, what package are we talking about +15:27 <@tsunam> both ffmpeg and mplayer depend on amr* for amr* +15:27 <@tsunam> wltjr: fail +15:27 <@fmccor> They depend on media-libs/amrnb which has the RESTRICT +15:28 <@tsunam> media-libs/amrnb and amr* +15:28 <@tsunam> whatever the other amr package is +15:28 <@tsunam> both those are restricted +15:28 <@wltjr> tsunam: ok, would be nice if the bug mentioned that +15:28 <@tsunam> wltjr: just look at the ebuilds :-P +15:28 <@fmccor> I think they changed it for the bug. +15:28 <@wltjr> tsunam: now that I am grepping the right ones :) +15:29 <@fmccor> mplayer ebuild, at least, still mentions the source URL for it, but doesn't use it any more. +15:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, before you go, DONM 15 June ? +15:30 <@tsunam> donm? +15:30 <@NeddySeagoon> thats Fathers day on my US calander +15:30 <@tsunam> k +15:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Date Of Next Meeting +15:30 <@tsunam> works for me +15:31 <@tsunam> I don't have anything going on currently then +15:31 <@fmccor> Fine for me, too. +15:31 <@wltjr> um, no more holidays +15:31 <@NeddySeagoon> everyone else ? +15:31 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, 15 June it is +15:31 <@tsunam> lol poor wltjr +15:31 <@wltjr> that makes it too difficult, as I had to choose over a family gathering last time +15:31 <@tsunam> wltjr: go to the family meeting :-P +15:31 <@fmccor> Do it the 22nd then. +15:31 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, how much time do you have ? +15:31 <@tsunam> use your phone to ssh in ;) +15:31 <@wltjr> tsunam: poor you to not have a family gathering of your own not to attend :) +15:31 <@tsunam> about another 10 minutes +15:31 <@NeddySeagoon> 22nd is OK too +15:31 <@wltjr> no, family time is family time +15:32 <@tsunam> wltjr: I'm 4 hours from the closest family, and instead I have good friends I can get together with so :-P +15:32 <@wltjr> it's not a big deal, just expect me to be MIA :) +15:32 <@fmccor> It's silly not to work around schedules when we know a month in advance. +15:32 <@NeddySeagoon> 22nd then +15:32 <@tsunam> also fine +15:32 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ^^ +15:32 <@wltjr> tsunam: well friends can be some what like family, but still aren't blood +15:32 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yep :) +15:33 <@NeddySeagoon> DONM agreed as 22 Jun 1900 UTC here +15:33 <@tsunam> wltjr: blood isn't always friends and you still don't have to like your family :-P +15:33 <@tsunam> but anyways... +15:33 <@wltjr> fmccor: my family is tight, the things we do for each other, even my life long friends would not do for me, or vice versa +15:33 <@wltjr> er, tsunam :) +15:33 <@NeddySeagoon> 99151 Request for advertisement space and vendor listing <--- agenda itme +15:33 <@NeddySeagoon> whats that about +15:33 <@wltjr> tsunam: one of my uncles lended another > $100k to save his business and family, you got a friend who would do that? +15:34 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, agenda please +15:34 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: that's soooo old +15:34 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yeah bit its not closed ... just close it ? +15:34 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: but this is where we have no policy for sponsors, donors, advertisers +15:35 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well I am not sure the original offer is even on the table any more, almost 3 years later +15:35 <@tsunam> considering the age of the bug, it should be closed ;( +15:35 <@NeddySeagoon> then we want to use that bug to trigger policy discussions etc ? +15:35 <@tsunam> due to said age +15:35 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: that'd be for the best +15:35 <@wltjr> close bug, file another that we need to have policies for such +15:35 <@tsunam> sponsor/donations should go the trustee's as SOP +15:35 <@wltjr> like what qualifies a sponsor for getting an ad on g.o, or just metion on sponsor page, etc +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> ok we close the bug and add an agenda item for sponsors policy +15:36 <@tsunam> *nods* +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> sdp ? +15:36 <@wltjr> works fo rme +15:36 <@fmccor> Fair enough. +15:36 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: standard operating procedure +15:36 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do that after the meeting +15:37 <@NeddySeagoon> 126707 Proposal to fund bugday incentives/rewards wasn't someone going to close that ? +15:37 <@tsunam> yes +15:37 <@fmccor> Yes. +15:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do that too while I'm in bugsie +15:37 <@tsunam> k +15:37 <@NeddySeagoon> 77966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities +15:37 <@tsunam> now I'm out, have a good afternoon all, and I'll get done what I talked about +15:38 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, enjoy +15:38 <@NeddySeagoon> We continue to be quorate - withdrawal of a member does not affect the quorum +15:39 <@NeddySeagoon> 77966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities ? +15:39 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: already worked and closed the bugs in question so far, just FYI +15:39 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thanks +15:39 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: np +15:39 <@NeddySeagoon> IS 77966 tied into Sponsors discussions ? +15:40 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: is that the correct bug #? +15:40 <@fmccor> No, 177966 +15:40 <@wltjr> :) +15:40 <@NeddySeagoon> I messed up the copy and paste +15:41 <@wltjr> np, I think we can close as later or etc, this is exactly what we will be addressing in the member section of the bylaws +15:41 <@fmccor> To be honest, I don't even know what the bug means. +15:41 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ok, we keep it open until bylaws are approved +15:41 <@wltjr> or leave open till we revise that section, I think they want disclosure of how gentoo is effected by outside influence +15:41 <@NeddySeagoon> 205965 [Tracker] Legal Issues - still empty +15:42 <@NeddySeagoon> 212021 Consider switching to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 - copyright mess. In essence, we cant do this +15:42 <@wltjr> unless we are filing other bugs for like bank account, tax/end of year reporting/filing, etc, then there is no point to it being open +15:42 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I would just close 205965, till we have something to track, and we can open a new tracker bug :) +15:43 <@wltjr> doing so now, unless others feel different +15:43 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we should not have bugs for routine management activity +15:43 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I agree, so closing :) +15:43 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +15:43 <@wltjr> Looks like there was a dep bug, but it's resolved +15:43 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, you are very quiet +15:44 <@fmccor> I thought we did 212021, maybe not. +15:44 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, That happens sometimes. :) +15:44 <@wltjr> we talked about it for sure at a past meeting, but wasn't sure we decided upon it +15:44 <@NeddySeagoon> We did it last month and it all got very difficult - we got bogged down +15:44 <@wltjr> have to check minutes, but I think we left it for another meeting +15:45 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't hold copyright therefore cant relicence +15:46 <@wltjr> ok, but should it be used for any new stuff? +15:46 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: Wasn't that CC-SA 3.0 bug about gentoo documentation? +15:46 <@fmccor> I'd say move to using the new license on new documents, at least. +15:46 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, it was about trustees pages +15:46 <@wltjr> yeah, if we can't relicense old stuff, fine, any new stuff must be CC-SA 3.0 +15:46 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, agreed +15:47 < jmbsvicetto> fmccor: Seems a good idea +15:47 <@wltjr> shall I comment as such? but then what other action do we need to take to close bug? +15:47 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, we will close the bug on that basis +15:47 <@wltjr> I doubt stating all new docs should use CC-SA 3.0 in a bug will have any effect :) +15:47 < jmbsvicetto> fmccor: One could also ask authors of older docs if they would be willing to relicense it as CC-SA 3.0 +15:47 <@fmccor> True. +15:48 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, you have to find *all* the contributors +15:48 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well we should comment, but not close till we update any documents that mention what license it should go under, some place more visible than closed bug +15:48 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: You could set it as policy - like gentoo ebuilds are GPL-2 +15:48 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: I meant for one doc at a time +15:48 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, that works for me +15:48 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: yeah but where is that stated? in a doc somewhere right? +15:48 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I think that's somewhere in the mission / philosophy or trustees page +15:48 <@fmccor> wltjr, It's in most of our documents that they are under CC ... +15:49 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: ok, will comment that we can't relicense, all new stuff will be CC-SA 3.0, but bug won't be closed till documentation/policies are updated to reflect that +15:49 <@fmccor> jmbsvicetto, Yes, it is. +15:49 <@wltjr> well if it' +15:49 <@wltjr> if it's not stated, we should state it somewhere, this might be another followed, but undocumented policy, which I hate +15:49 <@fmccor> It's documented somewhere. +15:49 <@fmccor> Just don't recall where. +15:49 <@wltjr> ok cool, then once updated, bug can be closed +15:50 <@wltjr> no worries, we can find out via bug, and others help there +15:50 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, comment on the bug, and we will find somewhere in our docs to make it clear +15:50 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml - under the "Gentoo is and will remain Free Software" +15:50 <@fmccor> I've seen it, perhaps in the developer documentation someplace. +15:50 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks jmbsvicetto +15:51 <@NeddySeagoon> * 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date +15:51 <@fmccor> Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike version 2 (or later, at our discretion). +15:51 <@fmccor> We're covered. +15:52 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to appoint some officers to run the Gentoo store and expand it to outlets in the major economic zones where GEntoo has a following +15:52 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we likely need to do something different wrt to the store, for sure wrt to release media +15:52 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: this one likely needs to be put back a meeting or two +15:52 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I would like to see us have a meeting in July or August maybe entirely devoted to funding the foundation +15:52 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, agreed - I'm just stirring the pot a little +15:52 <@wltjr> oh crap, we let tsunam go to early, GNi status? +15:53 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: sure, I just think we need to do something drastically different +15:53 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I have no problem with a single topic session as long as the prep is done beforehand +15:53 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I am not opposed to having others run the store, but FYI, I would like to see the board and officers split off +15:54 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: if when that took place, the store could easily fall under a duty of the officers +15:54 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, tsunam no longer works there. I do know its stablised though +15:54 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: interesting +15:54 <@wltjr> I am really concerned about our sponsors other than OSUOSL, and like Arizona State +15:54 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the board and officers split is allowed, even encouraged in the bylaws +15:55 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I think it's necessary +15:55 <@wltjr> I would like to see an increasing size/number long term board, with a fixed # of limited term officers +15:55 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I think its an excellent long term aim but we are like a new startup at the moment +15:56 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yep so much to do, so little time and man power, but we will get it done, maybe change the world in the process :) +15:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Think Apple and just Steve and Steve +15:56 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I agree. +15:56 <@wltjr> yep and what happend to Apple with no Steve :) +15:56 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I mean in the pre APPLE ][ days +15:56 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: revist store bug in future meeting +15:57 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: ah, same page :) +15:57 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, agreed +15:57 <@fmccor> I don't think we're in a position to go looking for officers besides ourselves just yet. +15:57 <@wltjr> fmccor: I agree, definitely not till we have defined roles and duties for them +15:57 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I think we are pretty close for well defined projects +15:57 <@wltjr> which we should walk in those shoes first, before seeking others to fill +15:58 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we would have to direct/manage officers +15:58 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: that's the point of a board, oversite :) +15:58 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, that needs bylaws +15:58 <@wltjr> checks and balances +15:58 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes +15:58 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, that brings us to Any other business +15:59 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, ?? do you have Any other business for the meeting ? +15:59 <@fmccor> Not necessarily for this one. +15:59 <@wltjr> should we briefly discuss current problem with council? +15:59 <@fmccor> I do want to talk about ways of using our domain name +15:59 <@NeddySeagoon> can't you just say No ? +16:00 <@wltjr> I would like to file a request or have a meeting with them wrt to CoC, and if they feel that really should fall under the council to deal with +16:00 <@fmccor> I'm telegraphing. +16:00 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, well, get it out in the open ... start it now +16:00 <@wltjr> also i am not sure devrel should answer to the council on non-technical matters +16:00 <@fmccor> We spoke about it briefly earlier. I think we can use it to help with voting and such. +16:00 <@wltjr> if it's a technical dispute brought to devrel, then council, otherwise social, trustees +16:01 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: That is a change of policy +16:01 <@wltjr> fmccor: I think it's good for long term, like what BSD has going on, but not sure of any immediate uses +16:01 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Not until the present issue is resolved. That *has* to be done under the existing rules as council choose to interpret them +16:01 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: Not that I don't agree with it. Just pointing out that it requires a change in policy +16:02 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: bylaws are our core operating policy +16:02 <@wltjr> there is to much lack of structure wrt to Gentoo +16:02 <@fmccor> wltjr, devrel referees some ebuild "turf" disputes, and I think that's appropriate. Normal path would be escalate to QA or Council. +16:02 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: agreed +16:02 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, When the dust has settled, and we know who to talk to +16:02 <@wltjr> fmccor: that's why I feel devrel should make the call who they escalate the matter to +16:02 <@wltjr> most stuff ends up on the councils back because there was no where else to take things +16:02 <@fmccor> wltjr, Actually, we do. +16:03 <@fmccor> wltjr, Well, I do at least. +16:03 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I would think the "escalation" is usually started by the affected parties, not devrel +16:03 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, you make it sound like devrel is very disjoint +16:03 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: this problem, CoC came from the last council, it's taking out the current council, so I think it does need to be prioritized, or a third council will be dealing with CoC +16:04 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, When we are working correctly, almost everything should go to a mediator (ombudsman) whose job it is to fix it. +16:04 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Its something for after the next council election, whenever that is. +16:04 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: ok, so what happens in the next 2-3 months while a new council is being elected? +16:04 <@wltjr> we are about to go down a really stupid path, that will effect Gentoo +16:05 <@wltjr> no council meetings for 2-3 months? wtf +16:05 <@fmccor> wltjr, It can take no more than a month, as per policy. +16:05 <@wltjr> is anyone really thinking about what they are calling for? +16:05 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Probably nothing. but we can't wade in. Everyone will just unite against us. +16:05 <@wltjr> fmccor: impossible, our election process requires at min 2 months +16:05 <@wltjr> exactly where are policies don't meet reality +16:05 <@fmccor> wltjr, No, we can compress it. +16:05 <@fmccor> I think we did trustees in one month. +16:05 <@wltjr> fmccor: we did for the trustees, it can't be compressed much more wihtout contest +16:06 <@wltjr> fmccor: nope 2, and we didn't take over till 3rd +16:06 <@NeddySeagoon> It can be done in a month - after council make up their minds +16:06 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: how? who will run? +16:06 <@wltjr> you have to have a period of nominations +16:06 <@fmccor> 2 weeks for nominations, to for voting, something like that. +16:06 <@wltjr> this is not practical by any means +16:06 <@NeddySeagoon> 2 weeks nominations, 2 weeks vote +16:06 <@wltjr> ok, so we miss at least 1 council meeting for what? +16:06 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: It took 1 month +16:06 <@wltjr> why are we throwing away a month? +16:07 <@wltjr> it's a min 2 months, because one month will have no council meeting, the second, if there is a new council, will be getting their bearings and dealing with what ever left over mess +16:07 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, You should be able to take the management out for a month with no ill effects whatsoever +16:07 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I also don't see anything in the policy forbidding the council from having a meeting until it's replaced +16:07 <@wltjr> which their first task will likely be GLEP 39 revisal, then CoC +16:07 <@wltjr> all that does what technically for Gentoo? +16:07 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, that depends who gets elected ... or even if there are elections now +16:08 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: this is not management, this is Gentoo's heart and sole, you want to rip that out for a month +16:08 <@wltjr> the council is captain of the ship, they are the leader, we must have one at all times +16:08 <@wltjr> this entire situation is very stupid, we are about to take drastic action over a very minor offence +16:08 <@fmccor> wltjr, Actually, Council has very little effect on us. +16:09 <@wltjr> some might argue this is the best most effective council we have had in years, so yes let's mess that up ASAP +16:09 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I have made my personal opinion clear on -project +16:09 <@fmccor> This Council has spent a lot of time on PMS, and some time talking about CoC. +16:09 <@wltjr> fmccor: if that's true it's because they are wasting time on CoC stuff +16:09 <@wltjr> fmccor: but EAPI/PMS stuff effects all +16:09 <@wltjr> matters the council should be working on are global technical issues, leading the distro forward +16:09 <@wltjr> I can't see how that would not effect all +16:09 <@fmccor> Not much, day to day. +16:10 <@wltjr> fmccor: we say that, but we have never gone down this path +16:10 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, they should be but in practice, they are only technical arbiters +16:10 <@wltjr> we have no clue what the outcome will be, or the mess it will create in the mean time +16:10 <@wltjr> I am not one to follow such half baked ideas, and IMHO GLEP 39 is totall horrible +16:10 <@wltjr> it's mostly opinions, it started as a very unoffical doc, and seems was voted on as such, and still remains such today +16:10 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: It might be horrible, but it was put in place +16:11 <@fmccor> And it was a global decision. :) +16:11 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: that GLEP created the council, it put the council in place, and gave them 100% control over all global mattrers +16:11 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: It was subject to a global vote. So it certainly doesn't have less "strength" than a council elected by general vote +16:11 <@wltjr> which includes their own fate +16:11 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we can offer help *after* council have made their election/no election decision +16:11 <@wltjr> was there a council before GLEP 39? +16:11 <@wltjr> what gives the council the power they have? it's all the same document +16:11 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we need to step in above the council +16:11 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I have an opinion about this and I'll be posting it to the -project ml +16:12 <@wltjr> this is a clear case where we have left the rulling body to determine it's own fate +16:12 <@wltjr> show me in GLEP 39 where the council doesn't have power to decided on global descision, including ones that effect them? +16:12 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I don't agree. I think that's left for the dev community +16:12 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, We do not have that authority today. Trustees and Council were created equal with different terms of reference +16:12 <@wltjr> again GLEP 39 created the council, all that voted on it in a global vote, gave up their global powers to the council +16:13 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: who says we don't have that power? +16:13 <@fmccor> Well, no. +16:13 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: what document states that? the foundation over sees all +16:13 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: My opinion is that *any* decision to change Gentoo's metastructure will always require a global vote +16:13 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: but that is not stated policy +16:13 <@fmccor> jmbsvicetto, Yes. +16:13 <@wltjr> policies can't be assumed +16:13 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I will need to trawl some very old emails +16:13 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: That's how it has always been conducted +16:14 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: there has never been a functioning foundation +16:14 <@wltjr> so yes, let's continue on with lack of structure because there has never been one +16:14 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: As I see it, that's changing from the current policy or view of council being the last buck and the Foundation being a mere holder of IP and assets and move to a view of foundation being the heart of gentoo and delegating techincal matters to council. +16:14 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, but the devs gave a lot of authority to council/trustees +16:14 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: true +16:14 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: this is more inline with Daniels thought process when the foundation was created, instead of what it's become since +16:14 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: But in my view, they never gave them "absolute power" as some have been arguing about +16:14 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: they did, in GLEP 39, what does section B state? +16:15 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: it's as clear as day +16:15 <@wltjr> # +16:15 <@wltjr> Global issues will be decided by an elected Gentoo council. +16:15 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: That's what I plan to address on my mail to project +16:15 <@fmccor> jmbsvicetto, Most definitely not. The intent of the policy is to put Council and devrel on a pretty tight rein. +16:15 <@wltjr> a global vote gave the council that global power +16:15 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, in the interests of wrapping this up, do you have a motion to propose ? +16:15 <@wltjr> so now you want to strip the council of that power, and go against a policy that was globally voted in +16:15 <@wltjr> now who is not following their own policies? +16:16 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes, that we contact the council, and see bout taking over the CoC stuff regardless of what else transpires +16:16 <@wltjr> there is nothing in GLEP 39 that has stripped the current council of their power and duties +16:16 <@wltjr> the current council members are still seen as such, and still have power to make global decisions +16:17 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, when ? +16:17 <@wltjr> thus we should not waste any time in contacting them, which we maybe should have a month or two back +16:17 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: ASAP, I guess a joint meeting between council and foundation +16:17 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I agree with you. Until we have elections and a new council, the current one keeps the power +16:18 <@fmccor> wltjr, I'm not sure we are in much better position right now for CoC than Council is. +16:18 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: which their power is global, and nothing states they can't act retroactively +16:18 <@wltjr> fmccor: it's not technical, let's not bog them down with it. granted we aren't much better off as stated +16:18 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: What I disagree with you is that I think the power to change Gentoo's metastructure remains in the hands of the dev community and was not transfered to council or trustees +16:18 <@wltjr> fmccor: in the interest of what's best for Gentoo, we should off the load from the technical lead +16:18 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I cannot support that as its written. +16:19 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: any vote of that nature is purely a courtesy, unless you can find a document requiring it +16:19 <@fmccor> I think that no matter how you go after CoC, you are going to get Proctors in some sort or other, so I suppose you are talking about where they "live" +16:19 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no problem, so long as my voice is heard +16:20 <@wltjr> because I do see this coming back on Gentoo in some what shape or form, and not in a good way +16:20 <@fmccor> wltjr, I think you are correct in what you are asking for, but I'd like to think it through all the way before forcing it. +16:20 <@wltjr> and if things like this effect the project, all our foundational efforts go right out the window +16:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Any restructuring can only start *after* a council decision. If you were to change ASAP to after the decision in the election, then I'm for it +16:21 <@fmccor> I'll go along with that. +16:21 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: In the case of the CoC, I don't think it's an actual structure change +16:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Let me try +16:21 <@wltjr> there is to much misconseption here +16:21 <@wltjr> the foundation is the head of gentoo, above it all, the council is just the technical lead, the only time the council has authority over the foundation is on technical matters +16:22 <@wltjr> the council can't overrule the foundation, only on technical matters +16:22 <@wltjr> the foundation existed before the council, keep that in mind +16:22 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: And I see no problem for the current council to decide to hand that off to the Foundation. I do believe it should have been under the Foundation all along +16:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ... that this meeting agrees to approach and work with council in any restructiong of Gentoo that may be required as a result of recent GLEP 39 issues +16:22 <@wltjr> Daniel Robbins had a vision, which never came true, for the Gentoo Foundation +16:22 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: I support that view. But you should be aware that's not what most devs around here think +16:22 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I think thats true +16:22 <@wltjr> sad he isn't willing to see that come to life, but after years of it failing, I can understand his unwillingness +16:23 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: because they joined a entity with a failed structure, and became used to and reliant on the only entity that showed any sort of power +16:23 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Please say a few more words about your motion. +16:23 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: agreed +16:23 <@wltjr> anyway I am done, so we can conclude meeting +16:23 <@NeddySeagoon> ... with the aim of moveing non technical authority to the Foundation +16:23 <@wltjr> last thought, because that's how thing were done yesterday is no reason to do the same today +16:23 <@fmccor> wltjr, If we approached him again, he might be. Do you suggest that? (This is a serious question) +16:24 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, OK, Second. +16:24 <@wltjr> if yesterdays way worked, fine, but I have yet to see a working Gentoo Foundation, ever, soo +16:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ... that this meeting agrees to approach and work with council in any restructiong of Gentoo that may be required as a result of recent GLEP 39 issues with the aim of moveing non technical authority to the Foundation +16:24 <@fmccor> Secon. +16:24 <@fmccor> ^++d +16:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +16:24 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: May I suggest changing it to "this board" ? +16:24 <@wltjr> fmccor: we can contact drobbins when we have a structure in place that works, a board split from the officers etc, to where he could be a board member, but not have to do anything, I think Daniel would be open to that +16:24 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, ok +16:25 <@wltjr> yeah +16:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ... that this board agrees to approach and work with council in any restructiong of Gentoo that may be required as a result of recent GLEP 39 issues with the aim of moveing non technical authority to the Foundation +16:25 <@NeddySeagoon> ok now ? +16:25 <@fmccor> Yes. I second it. +16:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +16:25 <@fmccor> And I vote yes. +16:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ? +16:26 * tgall_foo mulls +16:26 <@wltjr> yeah (bit of a typo restructuring :) ) +16:26 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote yes ... thats 3 in favour ... carried +16:26 <@fmccor> tgall_foo, You've been very quiet indeed. +16:26 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to council@ and trustees@ after the meeting +16:26 <@tgall_foo> fmccor: haven't been here ... family things +16:27 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: np +16:27 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: about to conclude soon, so check backlog +16:27 * tgall_foo does not like the idea of doing something just so any certain person can be a board member +16:27 <@fmccor> Um, I don't think we said that. +16:27 <@tgall_foo> but I'm not sure I am reading that right anyway +16:27 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, where do you read that ? +16:27 <@tgall_foo> wltjr's comment ... I'm not quite sure what he meant by that +16:28 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: oh I have no intentions of such, I don't care personally if Daniel comes back or not, I kinda hope not, but his thoughts and some comments I don't entirely disagree with +16:28 < jmbsvicetto> tgall_foo: Ah, so that drobbins can be a member? +16:28 <@fmccor> Oh, he was answering a question I asked him. +16:28 <@tgall_foo> ah ok +16:28 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: I do agree some what on his intial vision and conception of the foundation though +16:28 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, yup and I'm cool with that +16:28 <@wltjr> FYI, when RH did the Fedora thing, one of the main reasons that I chose Gentoow as the NPF aspect +16:28 <@NeddySeagoon> and our motion above ? +16:29 <@fmccor> Me, I'd like to have him in some capacity. +16:29 * tgall_foo votes yes for the record +16:29 <@wltjr> so I am very concerned with having a foundation that will keep Gentoo alive, since my business depends on and promotes the use of Gentoo +16:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ... that this board agrees to approach and work with council in any restructiong of Gentoo that may be required as a result of recent GLEP 39 issues with the aim of moveing non technical authority to the Foundation ... complete with typos +16:29 <@wltjr> fmccor: I am not opposed, I just have not been impressed with his playing to the media +16:29 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, thanks +16:29 <@wltjr> the first part of our wikipedia page started to read like his own page :) +16:29 <@wltjr> I cleaned that up, and had to explain myself there +16:29 <@fmccor> We don't need to tell Council about the typos. :) +16:29 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, sounds like a good side conversation to have at some time +16:30 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, any more business ? +16:30 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: sure, but I wouldn't even approach him till the stuff is in place +16:30 <@tgall_foo> wltjr, no I mean having a business that is connected to gentoo +16:30 <@wltjr> not because he wants it, but because I can pretty much assume he will say no otherwise, due to a lack of structure, etc +16:30 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: oh :) +16:30 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no +16:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, Any Other Business ? +16:30 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, naw ... for another time +16:30 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: sure anytime :), it's all indirect, nothing direct, I have no products, services, or solutions based on Gentoo, atm +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one thing +16:31 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: shoot +16:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have registered gentoo-foundation.org and gentoofoundation.org in case we want to use them +16:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll donate them to gentoo if we do +16:32 <@tgall_foo> good thinking +16:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Now they are registed we can discuss it in public +16:33 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: That might be a good way to have a mail voting system for gentoo +16:33 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, has some ideas about what we might do +16:33 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: The link tove gave me about debian's system seems very interesting +16:33 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I hadn't thought it through any further than jmbsvicetto just mentioned. +16:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I've not read it yet +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway- I just wanted to share that +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor time +16:34 <@NeddySeagoon> Anything from the floor +16:34 <@fmccor> I think it's great, and we should be able to use it to help with membership issues, voting, and such. +16:34 <@tgall_foo> i agree +16:34 <@fmccor> That's all my AOB ever was. :) +16:34 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: If we start looking seriously at that idea, we should really start with debian's system +16:35 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, we would need to try their coude out +16:36 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, well, I hope we can open the foundation to non devs, so we will need something that does not depend on accounts on woodpecker +16:36 <@fmccor> Could we run it in parallel with an election as a test? +16:36 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Absolutely to both. +16:37 < shpaq> NeddySeagoon: i hope that too +16:37 < jmbsvicetto> fmccor: We would need to test it through +16:37 <@fmccor> jmbsvicetto, That's what I meant. +16:37 < jmbsvicetto> fmccor: And we would need to have people looking through the code +16:38 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, yeah, Debian don't have a very good reputation just now :0 +16:38 < jmbsvicetto> hehe +16:38 <@wltjr> we must open up the foundation membership +16:38 <@fmccor> wltjr, yes, we have to get to that. +16:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more from the floor ? +16:39 <@wltjr> one thing I am thinking how to adress is business and individuals, where an invidivual might work for a business, that's a member, as in say Intel is a member, I am a member, I work for Intel, now Intel has potentially two votes, instead of one +16:39 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: The issue of membership by companies is going to raise some eyebrows +16:39 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: doesn't look like it, unless someone else speaks up +16:39 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: It will need careful consideration +16:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Intel can have a vote and the member can have a vote - they may vote differently +16:40 <@tgall_foo> it's an interesting question as to how a corp entity could have a vote +16:40 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: but if they are the same? like I have a different opinion, but don't want to go against my employer +16:40 <@tgall_foo> IE ... what happens if it's a one person shop ? +16:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Intel employees could have lots of votes +16:40 <@tgall_foo> and that individual is a member too ? 2 votes ? +16:40 <@wltjr> corp entities participate in many foundations +16:40 <@wltjr> also a corp entity, will have a buy in, membership won't be free to them +16:40 <@tgall_foo> yes .. but participation can mean many things +16:40 <@wltjr> for everyone else, membership is free +16:41 < jmbsvicetto> wltjr: hmm, that needs "lots" of discussion +16:41 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thats some detail for another time ... can we close the meeting ? +16:41 <@wltjr> tgall_foo: single vote/voice can't bring about any specific radical change +16:41 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes +16:41 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: agreed, which is what will take place as we go through the members section +16:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to close the meeting ... +16:41 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: just keep in mind, most common interest things, companies are given input on +16:41 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: So the next regular meeting is on 22nd June and you'll have another meeting next weekend for the bylaws, right? +16:42 <@wltjr> be it w3c, gnome foundation, hyperstransport consortium, etc +16:42 <@tgall_foo> NeddySeagoon, second +16:42 <@fmccor> jmbsvicetto, That's my understanding. +16:43 < shpaq> could somebody put the info about bylaws meeting in topic? +16:43 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, yes and no. We are gathering to discuss the bylaws, its not a formal meeting and no votes will be taken. It will go ahead as a discussion, even if we are not quorate +16:43 <@NeddySeagoon> shpaq, its there I hope +16:43 <@NeddySeagoon> vote on the motion to close please +16:43 <@fmccor> It's there for 25 May. +16:43 < shpaq> NeddySeagoon: yes it is, i fail +16:44 <@wltjr> yeah +16:44 <@fmccor> Yes on the motion. +16:44 <@NeddySeagoon> shpaq, and a link to the bylaws +16:44 <@tgall_foo> yes : on motion +16:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote yes too +16:44 < shpaq> NeddySeagoon: i've already read it +16:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Meeting Closed + +Additional commentary after meeting, non-official + +16:45 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to council as I said +16:47 <@fmccor> I'm surprised there's no one from Council here. +16:47 <@wltjr> fmccor: given they missed their own last meeting :) are you really +16:48 <@fmccor> Actually, I'm wrong. I didn't notice that amne is in here. +16:49 <@wltjr> fmccor: woot, bet he made their meeting as well :) +16:49 <@fmccor> Yes, he did. +16:51 <@fmccor> wltjr, If you missed it, Donnie announced at the Council non-meeting and on gentoo-dev@ that the discussion would be on -project. +16:51 <@wltjr> fmccor: I recall seeing that, part of why I was stating on -project, that people really didn't care, they were exposed +16:52 <@fmccor> Every discussion like that gets about 5 or 10 participants. +16:53 <@fmccor> I typically don't say anything about topics I don't care about. +16:53 <@fmccor> (Hm, that was a silly comment.) +16:56 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: sorry, I got distracted reading mail. I didn't meant to imply that it was a formal meeting with votes +16:57 <@wltjr> jmbsvicetto: yes there will be a gathering, you can attend :) +16:57 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, thats ok. I just wanted to be clear, after last Thursday +16:57 < jmbsvicetto> hehe +16:57 < jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: understood +16:58 <@wltjr> damn, do we have our own slacker clause? seems the trustees need it more than council :) +16:58 <@wltjr> given past boards +16:58 <@fmccor> Nope. +16:58 <@NeddySeagoon> GLEP 39 does not apply to the Foundation - We have New Mexico law, until the bylaws are in place +16:58 <@wltjr> we should have one rule in place, in bylaws for all entities +16:58 <@wltjr> board, officers, council, yet-to-be-formed-governing-bodies +16:59 <@wltjr> same requirements for meetings, attendance, etc +16:59 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, probably not. We answer to the law. Council answers to the devs +16:59 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we are more likely to hear from the devs vs the law on such matters +16:59 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: the law would only get involved, if per say some dev complained, or reported us +16:59 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, but the law prevails +17:00 <@wltjr> I am not sure there is a case ever of a company being sued, etc for not following it's own by laws +17:00 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I don't see where they law would ever step in and be enforced +17:00 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, possibly true ... if there was any conflict brought to our attention, we would fix the bylaws +17:01 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: actually in that regard, we are held more accoutable by members, the the law +17:01 <@NeddySeagoon> thats true. Not all members are devs +17:02 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I still think the bylaws should mention and encompass the trustess, after all it's a body that has power within Gentoo, and is part of how it operates, so should be included in bylaws, not some outside GLEP which isn't a GLEP per say, but there was no other place to put the info, so GLEP 39 it ended up in +17:02 <@wltjr> er s/encompass the trustees/encompass the council +17:02 <@wltjr> the bylaws should clarify the power of the board, officers, and council +17:03 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the council is not yet within our remit ... we need to discuss structure with council +17:03 <@fmccor> You think so? I'm not sure about the council. +17:04 <@fmccor> Actually, I think GLEP 39 is pretty good (but then, I supported the policy vote that led up to it). +17:04 <@wltjr> need to find out where the text came from I believe it exists in other more official places +17:04 <@wltjr> but per like wikipedia +17:04 <@wltjr> The current Board of Trustees[8] is composed of five members who were announced (following an election) on March 2, 2008.[9] There is also a subsidiary seven-member Gentoo Council whose members decide on technical issues and policies.[10] +17:04 <@wltjr> subsidary, means the council falls under the foundation, and board,just not on technical mattres +17:04 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, not until council agree. +17:05 <@fmccor> Council and its rules are there as a result of a vote of the developers, and really anything Council do is only with the consent of the developers. +17:05 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: more like not until the devs agree via global vote, as these types of decisions can't be left up to the council to decide their own fate +17:06 <@wltjr> the council was created after the foundation, and IMHO the relationship between the two never made sense, never functioned, and there really was no relationship or ties +17:06 <@wltjr> two heads, one snake, totally stupid IMHO, but foundation came first, and there was no choice amongst devs to creating the foundation +17:06 <@wltjr> that was Daniels decision, and the council was created after the fact +17:07 <@wltjr> as I asked others in the past, show me any other project, entity, etc with a structure like ours +17:07 <@fmccor> wltjr, You'd have to ask someone like g2boojum or ciaranm (or seemant or solar for that matter). +17:07 <@wltjr> no one thought about the big picture when creating the council +17:07 <@wltjr> fmccor: really I dont' care much about the past +17:07 <@wltjr> fact is the foundation has never functioned since created +17:08 <@wltjr> councils have been controversial since their inception +17:08 <@wltjr> what about any of this is in 100% perfect working order and ideal for the project? +17:08 <@wltjr> I am in no way saying to disban the concept of the council, there is a good reason for them to exist +17:08 <@wltjr> but that the coucil is at the top of Gentoo is sadly mistaken +17:09 <@wltjr> the council can't dictate to infra, they can request stuff, but even those request can require action by the trustees +17:09 <@wltjr> even infra must answer to trustees, not council, unless it's of technical nature +17:09 <@fmccor> This council or any other will always get into difficulties when it starts playing outside a rather narrow focus. +17:10 <@wltjr> the lack of a structure behind the foundation, is why the council is dealing with stuff, IMHO they should not, and has expanded their focus, because of MIA trustees +17:10 <@fmccor> Council is there to provide overall technical guidance and to act as a brake on devrel in case devrel gets carried away. +17:11 <@wltjr> I don't think there was ever more than 7 council members, the foundation started with 13 board members, if that shows the significance of the two, and the resulting failure of the one, now down to 5 :( +17:11 <@wltjr> council = CTO in a normal organization +17:11 <@fmccor> There was a lot of excitement about 3 years ago now, and current structure sort of reflects that. +17:11 <@fmccor> wltjr, exactly +17:12 <@fmccor> Actually, 5 board members seems to make more sense. +17:12 <@wltjr> in fact, I think anything we do, wrt to power moves from the council, should be expressed just as that, council = CTO, council != president, CEO, board, etc +17:12 <@wltjr> fmccor: well 5 officers maybe +17:12 <@wltjr> fmccor: I would like to see us have a large board, with unlimited terms, and growing members +17:13 <@wltjr> with fixed amount of officers +17:13 <@wltjr> not that I plan to be on the board forever, but that type of influence, might be best to have kept around, rather than replace annually +17:13 <@fmccor> wltjr, Longer term, perhaps. That would make us look more like a traditional company. +17:14 <@wltjr> if one steps down, a vote is called to replace them, every year or so, another is added to the board via general vote +17:14 <@wltjr> something like that, not specifically +17:14 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the ideal of a Foundation and Council were born of drobbins leaving Gentoo. They were conceided at the same time but impemented separately +17:14 <@fmccor> wltjr, I do agree with that. You do not expect much turn over in a board unless one of them goes to prison or something. +17:14 <@wltjr> put another way, why should we limit our sphere of influence, I have always been of thenature, of someone has the skills, and is willing to provide input, why pass on that +17:15 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: possibly, but drobbins left in 04, foundation was created then, council/GLEP 39 is dated 05, a year later +17:15 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: seems to be a result of the void left, and again lack of structure or organization to the foundation +17:15 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: it likely would have been better if they were created at the same time +17:16 <@fmccor> There was a lot more going on than that. +17:16 <@wltjr> I am sure there was, there seems to have been lots of unrest, and all kinds of problems +17:16 <@wltjr> which as a user since 03, I had no knowledge of +17:16 <@fmccor> As I say, 3 years ago from just about now was very "exciting" +17:16 <@wltjr> first sign to me there was a problem, was Dec 05, when I wanted Tomcat 5.5, and only 5.0 was in tree, and noticed there was no maintainer :) +17:17 <@NeddySeagoon> email gone +17:17 <@fmccor> What got me into devrel dates back about 3 years. +17:18 * wltjr is about to be gone as well, weekly chores, and a bathroom to grout, tiled last weekend :) +17:18 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I think the council predates the GLEP +17:18 <@fmccor> wltjr, What you are seeing right now is very tame by comparison. +17:18 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: it can't GLEP 39 is what created the council in the first place, which is my entire point behind the global vote, they globally voted in a body to take over global matters and decisions :) +17:19 <@fmccor> No, GLEP comes after. +17:19 <@wltjr> at least per the document, or so it seems, I was around, but not paying any attention so can't say for sure +17:19 <@fmccor> We did not vote on the GLEP, we voted on the policy. +17:19 <@fmccor> The GLEP is what Grant wrote up to put it all into standard form. +17:19 <@wltjr> well the abstract of GLEP 39 says +17:19 <@wltjr> GLEP 4 is replaced with a new "metastructure" that retains established projects (and makes new projects easier to create), but adds a new "Gentoo Council" to handle global (cross-project) issues. +17:20 <@NeddySeagoon> ciaranm had a hand in the policy that was voted - it became a GLEP later +17:20 <@wltjr> adds a new, implies it did not exist before +17:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I'm pretty sure it was documenting what existed +17:20 <@fmccor> The policy is a combination of ciaranm's work and a few others. +17:20 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Yes, GLEP is after the fact. +17:20 <@wltjr> that's another thing, we are following the lead of a dev who was, well, he didn't retire because he wanted to, let's leave it at that :), granted I value his technical skill, etc. I do wonder at times who's lead we are following +17:21 <@wltjr> and seemant, g2boojum , etc are where atm? so it's nice this stuff was put into place, but seeing ones ideas through, and just having them followed is very different IMHO +17:21 <@fmccor> wltjr, He helped propose it. We are following the lead of the developers who voted for it out of a choice of several. +17:21 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, It does not matter what the intent was when the document was written. If the intent was not caputed in the words, its a crap document +17:22 <@fmccor> g2boojum is still active. +17:22 <@wltjr> fmccor: and even the devs vote I question, did they realize what they were voting on, or the implications, like calling for a new council in 30 days, or etc, doesnt' seem like there was much discussion debate on the matter, need to go look and find out +17:22 <@fmccor> And I suspect that vapier had a hand in it, but I don't really remember. +17:22 <@fmccor> Yes. +17:22 <@NeddySeagoon> read your email guys +17:23 <@fmccor> It was all well discussed, and it reflects what we wanted. +17:23 <@wltjr> fmccor: active by what standards? I think lack of removal is more out of respect or etc +17:23 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I would suggest with the benefit of hindsight, it wasn't thought throgh +17:24 <@wltjr> I do believe it was a reaction to the times, which all felt a slacker clause was needed, but didn't think through the actual implication of that clause +17:24 <@fmccor> I like your email. +17:24 <@wltjr> much less detailing how it should be carried out +17:25 <@fmccor> It was thought through. +17:25 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thanks +17:25 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well stated, and I appreciate it coming from you +17:25 <@wltjr> had I said the exact same thing, coming from me, I can bet it would go down differently +17:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Well, GLEP 39 is what it is. +17:25 <@wltjr> and it sucks +17:26 <@fmccor> I don't have anything archived going back that far, but it was well discussed. +17:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yes +17:26 <@wltjr> I had to re-read it several times, because of all the unofficial, side chatter stuff in there +17:26 <@wltjr> very little beef :), where's the beef :) +17:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, its like the Complete Shakespeare Company +17:27 <@wltjr> well, gotta run, need food, and other things to do +17:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Its getting late here too +17:28 <@wltjr> good meeting, and chatting with you all, lots of dicussions and even more work ahead, but the sun is starting to shine a bit, slowly but surely +17:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I think so too +17:29 -!- NeddySeagoon changed the topic of #gentoo-trustees to: Join our public mailing list gentoo-nfp at lists dot gentoo dot org | Next regular meeting, here, Sunday 22 June at 1900 UTC - Agenda TBD | Logs/Minutes of past meetings http://tinyurl.com/2qcb4o | Meeting to review and adopt bylaws to be continued with Article IV on May 25 http://xrl.us/bke7u | All meetings 1900 UTC | Gentoo Foundation In Good Standing http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/cgi-bin/prcdtl.cgi?2463313 +17:29 <@fmccor> Yes, +17:31 * fmccor is also off in search of food. diff --git a/2008/august2008.txt b/2008/august2008.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b866fa6 --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/august2008.txt @@ -0,0 +1,429 @@ +21:00 * NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order - roll call, tsunam and fmccor. wltjr said he would not attend +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, you had to vote in a trustee election as well +21:00 * fmccor here +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, wakey wakey +21:00 < musikc|laptop> i honestly dont recall if i did or not +21:01 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I'm around =) +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> heh. OK we are quorate ... lets go. Agenda is in /topic +21:01 <@fmccor> rane or Jorge would know --- they were the election officials. +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we can skip Introductions +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> So, Actions From the Last Meeting... +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> care to say a few words ? +21:02 <@tsunam> paypal finally removed the old bank accounts. Need to check with them and see if there's anything the need now to unlock the account fully +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Does our paypay work ? +21:03 <@tsunam> we can accept donations +21:03 <@tsunam> can't send out +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> paypal* +21:03 <@tsunam> currently +21:03 <@tsunam> they've been less then helpful in working with me on this :( +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> do we owe anyone anything ? +21:04 <@tsunam> just trustee's some money +21:04 <@tsunam> wltjr 10-20 bucks he's not asked for yet, and me for the lawyers fee's still +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Needs fixed then, we don't want to mix our own and Foundation funds +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> What about a bank account ? +21:05 <@tsunam> Last I heard was that the bank we wanted to go to was an online bank but required someone in new mexico to sign +21:05 <@tsunam> that was for compass was my understanding +21:06 <@fmccor> I didn't know they needed anyone to go there. Hm. +21:06 <@tsunam> I'll have to reread the thread, but I could of sworn someone said that it was a requirement +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Please tsunam. Do you have the cheque for our funds from Grant ? +21:07 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: still with grant +21:07 <@tsunam> he doesn't want to pass it on until the bank account is setup +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Have you asked for it ? +21:07 <@tsunam> sort of a chicken and the egg thing... +21:08 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: aye +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Don't we need it for opening the account ? +21:08 <@tsunam> I've asked for it and that was the response I got +21:08 <@fmccor> Yeah. Bank probably wants funds to set up an account. :( +21:08 <@tsunam> *nods* +21:08 <@tsunam> again assumes that check is still good +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> So, fix paypay and use some of those funds +21:09 <@tsunam> assuming they don't want a working bank account *laughs* +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> heh. +21:09 <@fmccor> Grant could cash it and write another. +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, are you going to have time to get onto this ? +21:11 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: honestly, unknown. I can look into compass again see if I was mistaken about needing to be in nm for it +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> You have an incentive, we owe you money. +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, if we don't need to go to NM, can you open an account too ? +21:11 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: should be able to if no need to go to nm +21:12 <@tsunam> as its just filling out paperwork +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Care to estimate a date for checking the thread and applying for an account if no travel is needed ? +21:13 <@fmccor> They have an on-line site. Might not need to check the thread. +21:13 <@tsunam> two weeks out +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats our next meeting - deal! +21:13 <@fmccor> That's fine with me. +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Next - Trustees and Foundation Article For the GMN - NeddySeagoon +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I've done a bit, fmccor has done a bit, tsunam ? +21:14 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: working on it +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we leave this until we are up to strenght. A sort of meet the new Trustees too, or should we run it with 3 and a vacancy list ? +21:16 <@fmccor> We could do it in pieces, or would you rather make it one dedicated GMN issue? +21:16 <@tsunam> I'd rather have all the slots filled +21:16 <@fmccor> Otherwise, I'd leave it, I think. +21:16 <@tsunam> before that +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets fill all the slots first then +21:17 <@fmccor> Yes. +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Next ... Trustees and Councillors - NeddySeagoon to Add Clause to draft bylaws +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> I've done that, its ugly but its there +21:18 <@fmccor> Where? I must have just read over it. +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> No individual shall serve as a Gentoo Foundation Trustee and Gentoo Council Member concurrently +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> under Article V Trustees +21:19 -!- fragalot [n=services@gentoo/user/FamousToaster] has quit ["Lost terminal"] +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, ^^ +21:19 <@fmccor> I must be looking at an out-of-date version. +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, see the link in /topic +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Next ... International Licencing For Gentoo Merchandise +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, you were going to check with our lawyers +21:22 <@fmccor> I'm blind I guess. +21:22 <@fmccor> OK. +21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, ^^ +21:23 <@fmccor> First, our trademarks lawyer is pro bono and always has been and always will be. When we get our funds in shape, we should spend a little money ($200) +21:24 <@fmccor> to get the address right on them. +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Agreed +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^ +21:24 <@fmccor> Second, as I said, this lawyer knows as much about internal licensing agreements I do. +21:24 <@tsunam> hmm +21:24 <@tsunam> the 200 dollars or? +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> internal/international ? +21:24 <@tsunam> ah okie +21:25 <@fmccor> international. :) +21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, yes - to fix our trademarks +21:25 <@tsunam> we've started it already for the international +21:25 <@tsunam> so might as well finish it properly +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, for the avoidance of doubt, do you agreed to spending $200 to fix our trademarks ? +21:26 <@fmccor> She was going to check around with the firm to see if they could do it pro bono and let me know if they could. I haven't heard anything. +21:26 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: yep +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Is it polite to ask whats happening ? +21:27 <@fmccor> Renat had a couple other leads, so I'll get back with him and chase them down (he knows some people who actually do that sort of thing) +21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah ok. +21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, contact with Renat for the next meeting ? +21:28 <@fmccor> I haven't had a chance to, but it's on my list. He should be back at Harvard, so it's just a matter of how quickly he responds. +21:28 <@fmccor> I'll start on that after the holiday on Monday. +21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thats out of our control ... but you can do your bit before the next meeting ? +21:28 <@fmccor> Yes. +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Next ... Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> 177966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities (on hold for bylaws) +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Nothing to add +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date - musikc +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, your turn to say a few words please +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 217511 +21:30 < Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/217511 "The Gentoo Store is Out of Date"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +21:30 < musikc|laptop> dberkholz is pr lead and has not had time to address the request about PR assisting +21:30 < musikc|laptop> if you check devaway his wife is having a baby so i do not wish to push him at this time +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, I understand he is going to be busy +21:31 < musikc|laptop> he should be back around next week +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, He will be a wreck - the sleepless nights just starting +21:32 < quantumsummers|c> any interest in new t-shirt designs? +21:32 < musikc|laptop> you're so encouraging :-P +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we ask anyone else in PR ? +21:33 < quantumsummers|c> perhaps a design contest +21:33 < musikc|laptop> pr is ... a small group at present +21:33 < musikc|laptop> when is the next trustee meeting? +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Sure - lots of things. We need to get CDs into the store. We pulled 2006.0 a few months ago +21:34 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop 14 or 15 of September, depending if we go to Mondays as others wanted +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, The problem is running the store and keeping it current +21:35 < musikc|laptop> ok, i can either get information from dberkholz or draft something up on my own as i do not think he'd take issue with that. +21:35 < musikc|laptop> the day of the week will be an issue for me depending on the time of day +21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop 19:00 UTC. we are spread over 8 time zones +21:37 < musikc|laptop> for now that is noon my time and that i can work +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. For the next meeting then. +21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4. Move #gentoo-trustees away from freenode ? +21:38 < musikc|laptop> ill poke you or tsunam for more details offline, can come up something within 2 weeks +21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, ok +21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Don't delegate to tsunam :) +21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4. Move #gentoo-trustees away from freenode ? +21:38 < musikc|laptop> nah, not delegate, ask questions +21:39 <@fmccor> I'd rather not move unless you have a reason to. +21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> This came in after a Gentoo developer was klined +21:39 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I think moving parts of #gentoo away from freenode without everyone is seperating the organization not strengthing it =/ +21:39 <@fmccor> tsunam, agreed +21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think we should move either, unless the rest of Gentoo decides to. That seems to have dies down now +21:40 <@fmccor> Doesn't matter much to me where we are, but we should all be the same place. +21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, agreed +21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Anyone want to add anything ? +21:41 < quantumsummers|c> not I +21:41 < musikc|laptop> i had a question about the conflict of interest bit. why is it a conflict to care about legal/accounting AND technical? +21:41 <@tsunam> I would like to add that I continue to be dismayed by what occured and wish it be known that I'd like to see gentoo move away from freenode +21:41 <@fmccor> musikc|laptop, Where? +21:41 < musikc|laptop> oh hell, ya i agree with tsunam. sorry thought it was general question time. +21:42 <@fmccor> No, we're just getting to the fun part. :) +21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> OK now the bit you have all been waiting for 5. Adoption of draft Foundation Bylaws +21:42 <@fmccor> Is version 7 the correct one? +21:42 * tsunam points to musikc|laptop's question +21:43 <@NeddySeagoon> The latest draft of the bylaws are at http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/FoundationBylawsProposed_7.xml +21:43 <@tsunam> can we address that first before working on the bylaws quickly +21:43 * musikc|laptop figures its viewed as not a relevant question +21:43 <@fmccor> Where did you mean conflict of interest? +21:43 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, I can't think of an issue just now unless its a council application for funds and the trustees voting on it +21:44 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon amended article V to say you cant be on both, i asked tsunam why and he said likely a conflict of interest. im wondering why. +21:44 < musikc|laptop> iirc wolf is the only person who was on both and i dont recall anyone having an issue with that so why now? what has changed? +21:45 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, it says you can't be on both. Consider what whould happen if the trustees were a subset of council +21:46 <@NeddySeagoon> council asks for funding or something,, council votes for it +21:46 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, again, someone was on both in the past and it was never an issue. what has changed that made it an issue? +21:47 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe a circumstance did not arise in the past for it to become an issue +21:47 < musikc|laptop> wouldnt the person who thinks its a good idea still think its a good idea whether they proposed it or someone else did? +21:47 <@fmccor> It's probably not. This just makes sure. +21:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Consider what whould happen if the trustees were a subset of council. council asks for funding or something,, council votes for it +21:47 < quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon's point regarding the board v. council COI is valid, the trustees of a foundation are usually extra-organizational, though a council person can sit as an officer +21:47 < musikc|laptop> i dont see the sense and am seeking that fmccor +21:48 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, but they arent a subset? +21:48 < musikc|laptop> it sounds like we're saying we dont trust people +21:48 <@fmccor> No, we're a completely separate entity. +21:48 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Not today they are not but if people were allowed to serve on both, it could happen +21:48 < quantumsummers|c> this separation is standard in npos +21:49 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, as the devs and/or foundation votes ppl in wouldnt the community be voting for whom they wanted? +21:49 < musikc|laptop> so shouldnt we let the community make that decision? +21:49 <@NeddySeagoon> The council and foundation were set up as seperate entities. How would you keep them seperate ? +21:49 < musikc|laptop> i just dont see the point if other than to say 'we cant trust people to make good decisions in the best interest of gentoo' +21:49 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Its a segregation of duties issue I think +21:49 < quantumsummers|c> this is generally considered a legal issue +21:49 <@fmccor> musikc|laptop, when we are here doing what we are doing right now, we are not part of gentoo at all. +21:50 < musikc|laptop> fmccor, and thats why i said foundation votes +21:50 < musikc|laptop> i like the right to vote for who i think is best for the role +21:50 < musikc|laptop> and instead am being told that one person is not capable of doing two things +21:50 < musikc|laptop> which i do not believe, otherwise i wouldnt want that person doing either thing if they were not capable +21:51 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, The council is 7 people and the Trustees 5. The original intent of seperation would be lost. +21:51 < musikc|laptop> it seems like a restriction of our options for reasons of 'what if' and the what if has never happened, even when there was over lap so i do not see the need to make the change at present +21:52 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't see it as a change. The Foundation has never had bylaws yet, so they can't be changed +21:52 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, no the original intent was to have council focus on technical direction and trustees on legal/accounting. that doesnt change just b/c one person could be capable of doing both or else we as the community have voted very poorly if one person was only capable of one position yet we voted them in for both +21:52 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, it is a change when you are restricting who i can vote for a role +21:53 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, If someone wants to swap thats fine. +21:53 < musikc|laptop> i think there are qualified people on trustees and council presently that could do very well both teams, but you are saying that a person is only capable of doing one. +21:54 < musikc|laptop> it is an artificial limitation and a removal of my rights to vote who i think is best suited for any role +21:54 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Nope. Its not about capabilities +21:54 < quantumsummers|c> it is reasonable, however, to simply disallow the Council president from being a trustee for the term +21:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Its segregation of duties +21:54 < musikc|laptop> how is it about capabilities? +21:55 < musikc|laptop> again, you are telling me that i cannot find one person capable of being BOTH a trustee and a council person and i disagree, it is my right to vote for whom i feel is the best fit +21:56 < musikc|laptop> the segregation of duties is done by having two teams, however it is a limitation to say that a person must be segregated physically, that a person cannot have business sense and technical sense, or that cannot be trusted to use both wisely +21:56 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, you may nominate who you like. They must choose which body they serve on +21:56 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, i feel you miss my point entirely. yes i may vote for who i like, but now for ONE team only +21:57 <@fmccor> Consider, suppose the council asks the foundation for funding, or something. The conflict arises if there is a council member on the board. +21:57 < musikc|laptop> given how few people even run for trustees you are removing possible and capable people from the selection if they wish to also serve in the technical direction. +21:57 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Its not a new point. It was dicussed at the last meeing and the action was placed on me to update the bylaws draft, which I have done. +21:58 < musikc|laptop> fmccor, the notion of conflict of interest here is silly imo. a person already thinks a certain way, so you're saying that they would think differently if they were on both teams or that YOU cannot trust someone to make a rational decision b/c he was involved in the desire for something as well as the means to say yes i agree with my desire? +21:58 < musikc|laptop> its foolhearty at best +21:58 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, so again my original response to tsunam is accurate, that my question is not relevant, that being because you have already decided? +21:59 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, I propose that the bylaws are adoped as written and reviewed prior to the Feb 2009 Trustee Election +21:59 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I'll so move if you like. +21:59 < quantumsummers|c> the simple compromise here is to allow councilors to have seats on the board of trustees, while disallowing the council pres from sitting on the board. there is precedent for this, as well as NeddySeagoon's complete separation. However, it is generally considered bad practice to allow an executive director ( i.e. council pres.) to be on the board. +21:59 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, The trustees decided at the last meeting, not me personally +22:00 <+jmbsvicetto> I see I forgot your meeting again :| +22:00 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, i didnt say you personally, you in the sense of trustees. +22:00 < musikc|laptop> so if i understand correctly the trustees do not wish to hear my concern with this any longer? +22:00 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, thank you for the clarification +22:00 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, Right now it's better to go with what we have. +22:01 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, We can always amend if a case can be made. +22:01 < quantumsummers|c> I agree, merely pointing out options +22:01 < musikc|laptop> fmccor, are my questions and comments not a case made or just not deemed worthy? +22:02 < musikc|laptop> a perfect case is... it worked in the past. Gentoo is the proof of concept. +22:02 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, I hear your concern. There will be no elections until Feb 2009, so we have a chance to change the bylaws if needed. In practice, we are after a moving target, so I see bylaws updates happening at least twice a year to start with +22:02 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, so i must wait until new trustee elections to hope i can vote for someone who isnt already on council, thus sacrificing the technical direction of gentoo for the legal one? +22:03 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Past performace is no indicator of future performace +22:03 < quantumsummers|c> could start a bug regarding this specific issue, then update the bylaws before the election +22:03 < musikc|laptop> and random 'what ifs' are no indicator of future performance +22:04 < musikc|laptop> quantumsummers|c, i thought it made sense to discuss it before it went into action instead of trying to revoke something after the fact +22:04 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Nope, the bylaws can be changed quite quickly, once we have some +22:04 < musikc|laptop> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/bylaws.xml +22:04 < musikc|laptop> are those not bylaws? +22:04 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, they were never adopted - so No, they are no +22:04 <@NeddySeagoon> not* +22:05 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, thank you for clarifying +22:05 <@NeddySeagoon> np +22:06 < musikc|laptop> so i seem to understand that you would rather fix something after the fact then correct it before it bec omes the fact? +22:06 < quantumsummers|c> musikc|laptop: I agree there needs to be discourse on this subject, but I understand the immediate necessity of adopting bylaws for legal reasons +22:06 < musikc|laptop> so remove that one part and implement the rest. it is one sentence that appears thrown in anyways. +22:07 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, The bylaws as adopted will never be perfect. Its a moving target which it why its taken several years to get here. Yes. I prefer something imperfect rather than nothing +22:07 < musikc|laptop> there is no discussion prior or after the sentence that explain it, just a matter of fact statement that i ask be removed so we can visit the topic +22:08 < musikc|laptop> what is the harm about commenting out one sentence? +22:08 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Lets ask fmccor and tsunam +22:08 <@fmccor> Discussion was last meeting, don't recall how much. +22:08 < quantumsummers|c> this may be a good time for a vote of the trustees with a provision for future re-consideration of the issue (a bug) +22:08 < musikc|laptop> i disagree and trustees seem to be saying 'we can change it later' but im asking that we just comment out one sentence and discuss whether it should be added later +22:08 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, please leave them as proposed. +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ?? +22:09 <@tsunam> sec +22:09 <@tsunam> someone was at the door +22:09 <@tsunam> reading scroll back +22:10 <@tsunam> so suggestion is to remove the can't be trustee and council? +22:10 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +22:10 < musikc|laptop> i ask that it be commented out and the remaining implemented +22:10 < musikc|laptop> id like to discuss the matter further as though NeddySeagoon and fmccor tried to explain i cannot understand the why +22:10 <@tsunam> hmm +22:11 <@tsunam> I'd rather get something implemented...if it takes removing that to get it then yes +22:11 <@fmccor> It doesn't take that. +22:12 <@fmccor> The three of us are going to vote on the proposal. +22:12 < musikc|laptop> as i understand it, fmccor and NeddySeagoon do not trust people to make the right decision for two teams, only being capable to do what is right for one team. +22:12 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Its only we three that vote on it. No changes are required. I would like us all to be in favour though +22:12 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, Its not a trust issue at all +22:13 < quantumsummers|c> its a legal issue +22:13 <@tsunam> I'd prefer it to stay, but then it also potentially limits who can be a trustee and we all know its already hard to find people who are willing to bet trustee's +22:13 < musikc|laptop> i dont see how its a legal issue +22:13 < musikc|laptop> i work for a large public company and people on our executive board are also on our board of directors +22:13 <@fmccor> tsunam, It limits it by 7 out of the entire Foundation. :) +22:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Would someone propose a motion on the proposed bylaws please +22:14 < quantumsummers|c> right, but is the CEO on the board of trustees, musikc|laptop? +22:14 < musikc|laptop> fmccor, you yoursle wanted to be on both +22:14 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, 6. There is a councilor who is not a Foundation member +22:14 < musikc|laptop> quantumsummers|c, who is our CEO in Gentoo? +22:14 <@fmccor> And it was a mistake. +22:14 < quantumsummers|c> that would be the council pres +22:15 < musikc|laptop> quantumsummers|c, there is no council president iirc +22:15 < quantumsummers|c> equiv to executive director, thought that was vaiper +22:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Gentoo has a huge separtation between the distro and the foundation +22:15 < musikc|laptop> nope, they are all listed as member +22:15 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I move we accept the bylaws as proposed in http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/FoundationBylawsProposed_7.xml +22:15 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thank you +22:15 < quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: this I know, and agree with a strong separation +22:16 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^ +22:16 < Philantrop> quantumsummers|c: vapier isn't even a council member. :) +22:16 < quantumsummers|c> :) +22:16 < musikc|laptop> fmccor, why did you run for both if you felt you couldnt do both? +22:16 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: that's updated now? +22:16 < musikc|laptop> why did you wait until after you were not elected for council to make this decision? +22:16 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, No - the wording stands +22:16 <@tsunam> k +22:17 < quantumsummers|c> are the trustees in agreement? +22:17 <@tsunam> I think so +22:17 < musikc|laptop> quantumsummers|c, yes +22:17 <@fmccor> I vote yes. +22:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, care to second the motion so we can vote +22:17 <@tsunam> oh lucky me +22:17 < musikc|laptop> though fmccor has not answered by question why it was ok for him to be a trustee and to attempt to be council +22:17 <@tsunam> seconded +22:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +22:17 <@tsunam> aye +22:17 <@fmccor> Yes. +22:18 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +22:18 <@tsunam> musikc|laptop: that's something you'd have to ask ferris +22:18 < musikc|laptop> i did, he's ignoring the question though ive asked it twice now +22:18 <@NeddySeagoon> The motion that bylaws as proposed in http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/FoundationBylawsProposed_7.xml has been passed +22:18 < quantumsummers|c> congrats +22:18 <@NeddySeagoon> We have bylaws! +22:19 < musikc|laptop> so what is good for the goose (fmccor) is not good for the gander (the rest of gentoo) +22:19 < quantumsummers|c> bubbley for everyone +22:19 <@fmccor> musikc|laptop, Someone nominated me and I accepted. Afterwards, I was told that was a mistake. +22:19 < musikc|laptop> but you ran +22:19 < musikc|laptop> you never withdrew? +22:19 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, I was nominated and declined +22:19 < musikc|laptop> NeddySeagoon, yes, but fmccor did not +22:19 < musikc|laptop> he ran +22:19 <@tsunam> aye +22:20 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc|laptop, true. +22:20 <@NeddySeagoon> One more item before AOB +22:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 tsunam +22:20 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, last time we heard that there was a problem +22:20 <@tsunam> aye +22:21 <@tsunam> I misread some numbers and screwed up the reports :( +22:21 <@NeddySeagoon> fixed now ? +22:21 <@tsunam> I've more been dealing with paypal for the bank accounts that took a number of tries then doing the updated documentation which I need to get done +22:21 <@tsunam> yes its fixed now, I need to review them and make sure they are all correct +22:22 <@tsunam> can say that we've had a number of large donations this year from various events/projects our developers have been involved with +22:22 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, is this our internal accounts or the stuff we have to file with the IRS ? +22:22 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: internaly/501* status info +22:22 <@tsunam> as we need to publish quarterly reports +22:22 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +22:22 <@tsunam> to maintain the NFP status for any group +22:22 <@tsunam> no matter the type of NFP +22:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah - ok +22:23 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, are you needing some help, or are you coping ? +22:23 <@tsunam> can cope with this +22:25 <@NeddySeagoon> And our yearly IRS filing ? +22:26 <@tsunam> that'll be beginning of next year, need to see what I need to file out +22:26 <@tsunam> what info is required +22:27 <@tsunam> my understanding is that its one form +22:27 <@NeddySeagoon> You are closer to it than me +22:27 <@tsunam> being in the US and all *nods* :-P +22:27 <@fmccor> Should we have an accountant for this sort of thing? +22:27 <@NeddySeagoon> When will we be able to see the quarterly reports ? +22:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thats being worked +22:28 <@fmccor> Good, I thought so. +22:28 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^ +22:29 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: can't give exactly when on the quarterly as it is over 2 years to update +22:29 <@tsunam> so I want to be very sure of my numbers +22:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, can we see some ? +22:30 <@tsunam> I'll try and get some up this week +22:30 < quantumsummers|c> tsunam: have you tried using gnucash for this? +22:30 < quantumsummers|c> it will do automated reports +22:30 <@tsunam> quantumsummers|c: its more a matter of getting the info out of paypal... +22:31 < quantumsummers|c> tsunam: I see, ouch +22:31 <@tsunam> I've used gnucash and kmymoney2 for this sort of stuff personally but its still decent effort and lots of people to thank +22:32 < quantumsummers|c> indeed +22:32 <@tsunam> and no easy way to automate it from the csv's etiher I tried that for a while +22:32 <@tsunam> but yes I'll get something going +22:34 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ok ... It will be on the agenda for the next meeting until the action is complete +22:34 <@tsunam> k +22:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 7 Any other business +22:35 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ? +22:35 <@tsunam> I got none +22:35 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, ? +22:35 <@fmccor> Two administrative ones. +22:35 <@NeddySeagoon> on you go +22:36 <@fmccor> 1) For technical reasons, NeddySeagoon and I need to add Chairman and vice-Chairman to our titles --- +22:36 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Why? +22:36 <@fmccor> Otherwise, if we ever have a separate president, that person presides. +22:36 <@fmccor> Thus --- +22:37 <@NeddySeagoon> You mean if we have an officer president ? +22:37 <@fmccor> Board meetings are run by the chairman, but but if none, then by the president. +22:37 <@fmccor> Yes. It's to keep control of the board. +22:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I understand +22:38 <@fmccor> Certainly not an immediate issue, but one not to lose sight of. +22:39 <@NeddySeagoon> I would be good to split off the officer roles the trustees have been doing, get more business admin on board +22:39 <@fmccor> That was what my point was about. +22:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets hold it over to the next meeting. +22:40 <@NeddySeagoon> what was your second point ? +22:41 <@fmccor> Timing on secretary and filling up to full strength. +22:41 <@fmccor> I don't know when the next GMN will be is why I ask. +22:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I want to make an announcement at the next meeting. Its been unfortunate there was no Aug GMN +22:42 <@fmccor> Fair enough. +22:42 <@NeddySeagoon> but we can't wait for the GMN +22:42 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Is that it ? +22:42 <@fmccor> I think so, yes. +22:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Last item ... 8. Open floor +22:43 <@fmccor> rane always has something. :) +22:45 <@fmccor> Oh, we need to update the actual bylaws page. +22:46 <@fmccor> And remove "draft" from the home page. :) +22:46 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, is that an offer ? +22:46 <@fmccor> I can do it, I think. +22:46 <@NeddySeagoon> I need to learn to use CVS +22:46 <@fmccor> The proposal does not have a date in it; I can put today's date in or you can. +22:47 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, It should be todays date as its today the bylaws were adopted +22:47 <@NeddySeagoon> You can fix it +22:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for Open Floor +22:48 <@fmccor> Right. That's just the bit in the sidebar. +22:48 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor yes +22:48 < quantumsummers|c> are the trustees planning on further recruitment of officers beyond secretary? +22:49 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Its not been formally decided but my view is yes. +22:49 <@fmccor> I hope so. +22:50 <@NeddySeagoon> We needed the trustees to do both roles while there were no bylaws but now we have ground rules, we can look at getting officers from outside the developer pool +22:50 < quantumsummers|c> very good +22:50 <@fmccor> membership pool. :) +22:51 < quantumsummers|c> thank you +22:51 -!- Arfrever [n=Arfrever@gentoo/user/arfrever] has joined #gentoo-trustees +22:51 < quantumsummers|c> I have a meeting with CPAs starting tuesday +22:51 < quantumsummers|c> *meetings* +22:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, good luck +22:52 < quantumsummers|c> thank you +22:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for Open Floor ? +22:53 * fmccor is working on bylaws now --- wait around for 5 minutes or so, and I can say updated (then wait 15 minutes more to see if it worked) +22:53 < quantumsummers|c> when is the next meeting? +22:54 * quantumsummers|c grabs his calendar... +22:54 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, tsunam Do you prefer 14 or the 15 September for our next meeting ? (Sun or Mon ?) +22:56 <@fmccor> Or, maybe not. The update complains about lots of xml problems +22:56 <@fmccor> Prefer the 15th +22:57 <@tsunam> that's my birthday =/ +22:57 < quantumsummers|c> yo tsunam, mine's the 11th, happy b-day in advance +22:57 <@tsunam> quantumsummers|c: same to you +22:57 < quantumsummers|c> :) +22:57 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, 14th then ? +22:59 <@fmccor> Sure. +23:00 <@NeddySeagoon> DONM 14 Sep at 19:00 UTC +23:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Its a Sunday +23:01 <@tsunam> k +23:02 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, I'm going to need some help, because This shows many xml errors when I try to commit. +23:02 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I did it in xmlcopy editor +23:02 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, after the meeting +23:03 <@NeddySeagoon> If thats the end of Open Floor, the meeting is closed +23:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Meeting Closed +23:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you everyone diff --git a/2008/december2008.txt b/2008/december2008.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..139decd --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/december2008.txt @@ -0,0 +1,448 @@ +(12/14/2008 12:45:27 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order - roll call +(12/14/2008 12:45:33 PM) tsunam_: here +(12/14/2008 12:45:34 PM) fmccor: Here +(12/14/2008 12:45:38 PM) dmwaters: here +(12/14/2008 12:46:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thats us quorate. We can skip the +Intros .. on to item 2 +(12/14/2008 12:46:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: 2. Actions From the Last Meeting +(12/14/2008 12:46:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +(12/14/2008 12:46:43 PM) tsunam_: no update unfortunately. I did send one check +off last week for a replacement hard drive +(12/14/2008 12:46:50 PM) tsunam_: I need to close the bug though +(12/14/2008 12:47:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok. What about our EIN/IRS/Address +update ? +(12/14/2008 12:47:16 PM) tsunam_: I need to fix some errors in the banking pages +for the last quarter as well +(12/14/2008 12:47:25 PM) tsunam_: I need to get the EIN sent to myself as the +fed should have it +(12/14/2008 12:47:33 PM) tsunam_: then we can get the bank account all resolved +(12/14/2008 12:47:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: OK. This year ? +(12/14/2008 12:48:08 PM) tsunam_: certainly will try +(12/14/2008 12:48:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: Stretch target 31 Dec. Backstop DoNM +(12/14/2008 12:48:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: Certified Public Accountant - +quantumsummers - we will come back to this +(12/14/2008 12:49:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fix name and address on IPR/trademark +documents, 31 Aug 2008 meeting authorised the $200 fees +(12/14/2008 12:49:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ^^ +(12/14/2008 12:49:44 PM) fmccor: We gave the lawyer a go, she is doing that and +will bill us when complete. +(12/14/2008 12:49:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks +(12/14/2008 12:50:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: Send friendly cease and desist emails to +copyright infringers spotted on cafepress - quantumsummers we need tocome back +to that +(12/14/2008 12:50:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: 3 Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +(12/14/2008 12:50:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date - +musikc +(12/14/2008 12:51:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: musikc isn't here - the store was updated +the bug is open until long term care is addressed +(12/14/2008 12:51:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: anyone know anything else ? +(12/14/2008 12:51:58 PM) tsunam_: nope +(12/14/2008 12:52:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: 56711 Retire: Renat Lumpau (rl03) +(12/14/2008 12:52:11 PM) fmccor: No +(12/14/2008 12:52:41 PM) fmccor: Isn't that one resolved? (56711) +(12/14/2008 12:52:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: Renat has set his devaway, which has +satisfied the undertakers meanwhile +(12/14/2008 12:53:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I guess thats a yes +(12/14/2008 12:53:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: 245227 budget limit for infra repairs +(12/14/2008 12:53:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: Someone was going to ask infra for an +estimate. +(12/14/2008 12:54:19 PM) dmwaters: i can't remember who that was +(12/14/2008 12:54:20 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers I think +(12/14/2008 12:54:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: I known that robbat2 was working on +something like that +(12/14/2008 12:55:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, is going to be busy when +he shows up at 19:00 UTC +(12/14/2008 12:55:33 PM) tsunam_: it is the holiday season so please consider +that +(12/14/2008 12:55:56 PM) tsunam_: thinks will take longer to do unfortunately +(12/14/2008 12:55:59 PM) fmccor: This is probably the last official Gentoo +action for a month. :) +(12/14/2008 12:56:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, OK, I didn't realise that. +(12/14/2008 12:56:25 PM) tsunam_: :P +(12/14/2008 12:56:49 PM) fmccor: World's about to shut down for Saturnalia +(12/14/2008 12:56:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its not holiday seaon in the UK until the +schools finish +(12/14/2008 12:57:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: 4 Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June +2008 +(12/14/2008 12:57:18 PM) tsunam_: well from thanksgiving until january people +take vacations etc... +(12/14/2008 12:57:39 PM) tsunam_: I've updated through 2007. But need to fix the +4th quarter to begin the 2008 +(12/14/2008 12:57:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, Thanks for the education :) +(12/14/2008 12:58:11 PM) tsunam_: 2008 year, not fiscal +(12/14/2008 12:58:14 PM) tsunam_: should clarify +(12/14/2008 12:58:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, You have it half done then +(12/14/2008 12:58:26 PM) tsunam_: correct +(12/14/2008 12:58:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: progress :) +(12/14/2008 12:59:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: 5. Foundation Knowledge Management Needs +was another one for quantumsummers +(12/14/2008 12:59:38 PM) ***quantumsummers greets the trustees, and is caught up +(12/14/2008 12:59:55 PM) quantumsummers: So regarding #5 +(12/14/2008 12:59:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: 6. Actions From Previous Meetings on hold +for one or more actions above I don't think there is any change, do I need to +paste them from the agenda +(12/14/2008 01:00:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, there was a unamous vote +to start early +(12/14/2008 01:00:57 PM) quantumsummers: indeed, I'm happy to see everyone is +here :) +(12/14/2008 01:01:00 PM) quantumsummers: I have a membership app I can put up +anytime +(12/14/2008 01:01:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: unamous == all the trustees agreed +(12/14/2008 01:01:25 PM) tsunam_: quantumsummers: oh? +(12/14/2008 01:01:29 PM) quantumsummers: also pretty much finished with the doc +repo +(12/14/2008 01:01:43 PM) quantumsummers: unamous is code for everyone :D +(12/14/2008 01:02:03 PM) fmccor: It's the British spelling +(12/14/2008 01:02:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe +(12/14/2008 01:02:21 PM) quantumsummers: _nice_ +(12/14/2008 01:02:25 PM) quantumsummers: :) +(12/14/2008 01:02:51 PM) quantumsummers: also wrote a little wiki with rev +control on it if we wanted to doc internal prodecures +(12/14/2008 01:02:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: shall we get your stuff at the end +quantumsummers ? You missed a few other things too +(12/14/2008 01:03:19 PM) quantumsummers: also working on beacon integration +(12/14/2008 01:03:34 PM) quantumsummers: hmm, up to you guys +(12/14/2008 01:03:53 PM) quantumsummers: I can, no prob +(12/14/2008 01:03:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: We will come back to your stuff +(12/14/2008 01:04:01 PM) quantumsummers: re: NeddySeagoon ^^ +(12/14/2008 01:04:03 PM) quantumsummers: ok +(12/14/2008 01:04:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: 6. Actions From Previous Meetings on hold +for one or more actions above I don't think there is any change, do I need to +paste them from the agenda +(12/14/2008 01:04:28 PM) fmccor: No. No changes. +(12/14/2008 01:04:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, tsunam_ ? +(12/14/2008 01:04:46 PM) dmwaters: nope +(12/14/2008 01:05:04 PM) tsunam_: nope no changes +(12/14/2008 01:05:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, ? +(12/14/2008 01:05:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks +(12/14/2008 01:05:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: 7. Membership Applications can we deal +will developers as a block ? +(12/14/2008 01:05:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: * +(12/14/2008 01:05:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: # Membership Applications - +(12/14/2008 01:06:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: * mpagano +(12/14/2008 01:06:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: * ali_bush +(12/14/2008 01:06:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: * rich0 +(12/14/2008 01:06:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: * ulm +(12/14/2008 01:06:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: * Ford_Prefect +(12/14/2008 01:06:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: * quantumsummers +(12/14/2008 01:06:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: * bluebird +(12/14/2008 01:06:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: * musikc +(12/14/2008 01:06:30 PM) fmccor: Yes to all for me. +(12/14/2008 01:06:36 PM) dmwaters: yes to all +(12/14/2008 01:06:48 PM) quantumsummers: recorded +(12/14/2008 01:06:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes to all from me +(12/14/2008 01:07:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, ? +(12/14/2008 01:07:17 PM) tsunam_: for all those agreed +(12/14/2008 01:07:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thanks +(12/14/2008 01:07:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Community Members - One at a time +(12/14/2008 01:07:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Comprookie2000 +(12/14/2008 01:08:14 PM) fmccor: This would be for the publicity? +(12/14/2008 01:08:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes +(12/14/2008 01:08:34 PM) fmccor: He plans to keep doing it? +(12/14/2008 01:09:17 PM) fmccor: If so, I think that is a service to the +community and would support him. +(12/14/2008 01:09:26 PM) ***quantumsummers wonders about an official g.o podcast +(12/14/2008 01:09:33 PM) quantumsummers: :P +(12/14/2008 01:10:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, he shows no signs of giving up. +I was his first soon after we took office. drobbins and bonsaikitten are the +most recent this month +(12/14/2008 01:10:37 PM) tsunam_: k +(12/14/2008 01:10:44 PM) ***quantumsummers thinks NeddySeagoon's accent might be +good +(12/14/2008 01:11:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, Podcast 18 is me +(12/14/2008 01:11:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, ? +(12/14/2008 01:11:27 PM) quantumsummers: I listened to it :) good stuff +(12/14/2008 01:11:39 PM) dmwaters: can someone fill me in as to what he does? +(12/14/2008 01:11:51 PM) quantumsummers: nice gentoo-centric podcast +(12/14/2008 01:11:51 PM) ***dmwaters doesn't remember this one +(12/14/2008 01:12:00 PM) tsunam_: k +(12/14/2008 01:12:15 PM) quantumsummers: not deeply technical, but nice +(12/14/2008 01:12:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: he makes podcasts of interviews (voice) +with Gentoo contributors +(12/14/2008 01:12:45 PM) dmwaters: i'll say yes then +(12/14/2008 01:12:55 PM) tsunam_: I have no problem with a yes +(12/14/2008 01:13:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: He has done me, vapier, drobbins, +bonsaikitten and others. +(12/14/2008 01:13:11 PM) ***quantumsummers :) +(12/14/2008 01:13:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its good publicity +(12/14/2008 01:13:26 PM) quantumsummers: yes +(12/14/2008 01:13:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm a yes too +fmccor fmccor|work +(12/14/2008 01:13:33 PM) quantumsummers: fmccor? +(12/14/2008 01:13:45 PM) fmccor: Oh, I thought I said yes. Yes. +(12/14/2008 01:13:55 PM) quantumsummers: unanimous +(12/14/2008 01:14:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: Next up WEIRDEDOUT +(12/14/2008 01:14:14 PM) fmccor: Who is that? +(12/14/2008 01:14:31 PM) tsunam_: NeddySeagoon: I think you should just explain +who they are when you announce +(12/14/2008 01:14:46 PM) quantumsummers: he's is involved in the podcast +(12/14/2008 01:14:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: hes been in a podcast or two but other +than that I only know hhis application +(12/14/2008 01:14:54 PM) tsunam_: the same one? +(12/14/2008 01:15:22 PM) quantumsummers: yes +(12/14/2008 01:15:26 PM) tsunam_: k +(12/14/2008 01:15:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: Nope ... let me reread his application +(12/14/2008 01:16:37 PM) tsunam_: forum helper from what he said, system admin +interview for linux crazy +(12/14/2008 01:16:52 PM) tsunam_: helps out in times on the #gentoo-au channel +(12/14/2008 01:18:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: he has 22 posts on forums.gentoo.org +(12/14/2008 01:18:14 PM) tsunam_: =/ +(12/14/2008 01:18:17 PM) tsunam_: that's not many +(12/14/2008 01:18:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm never in -au +(12/14/2008 01:18:29 PM) tsunam_: nor am I +(12/14/2008 01:18:42 PM) dmwaters: doesn't sound real active to me +(12/14/2008 01:18:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Should we defer this one ? +(12/14/2008 01:19:01 PM) fmccor: Yes, I'd like him to come to the next meeting +and talk to us. +(12/14/2008 01:19:10 PM) tsunam_: i would concur +(12/14/2008 01:19:12 PM) dmwaters: i agree with ferris +(12/14/2008 01:19:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: OK - defeered +(12/14/2008 01:19:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: (sp) :( +(12/14/2008 01:19:50 PM) tsunam_: oh well +(12/14/2008 01:20:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: Next up Philantrop +(12/14/2008 01:20:31 PM) fmccor: He is here for questions, or was. +(12/14/2008 01:21:09 PM) fmccor: My position is known. Yes +(12/14/2008 01:21:21 PM) tsunam_: My position is known as well..I will explain +though +(12/14/2008 01:21:25 PM) dmwaters: my vote is yes also. +(12/14/2008 01:21:53 PM) tsunam_: I still maintain that anyone who was a member +of Gentoo who was removed under not ideal circumstances should not be a member +of the foundation, and if they were, that they should be removed from that as +well +(12/14/2008 01:21:58 PM) tsunam_: so my vote is no +(12/14/2008 01:22:35 PM) tsunam_: but I will likely be overruled by majority +vote so +(12/14/2008 01:22:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, nobody should be punished for +the same thing twice. +(12/14/2008 01:22:51 PM) tsunam_: Its not punishing a second time +(12/14/2008 01:22:53 PM) tsunam_: in my opinion +(12/14/2008 01:23:11 PM) tsunam_: the intial setup for the foundation was that +you had to be a developer to become one +(12/14/2008 01:23:16 PM) tsunam_: we've opened that up now +(12/14/2008 01:23:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: Philantrop, continues to work for the +aims of the Foundation +(12/14/2008 01:23:36 PM) fmccor: Still, it looks to me that right now he is +supporting Gentoo pretty actively. +(12/14/2008 01:23:43 PM) tsunam_: he continues to work on improving a +alternative package manager that is well liked I agree with that +(12/14/2008 01:24:24 PM) dmwaters: well, way i see it is this, he's got a lot to +offer gentoo, so why not give him the chance. the foundation has more to think +about then the developer community at worst if there is a problem we can +remove his membership. +(12/14/2008 01:24:29 PM) tsunam_: Yes its one of the aims of the foundation +(12/14/2008 01:24:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: and the things that were shared on the +alias ? +(12/14/2008 01:24:57 PM) tsunam_: my opinion will not change on this one guys +(12/14/2008 01:25:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'll stop trying then +(12/14/2008 01:25:30 PM) tsunam_: I've also voiced there are others who i've +considered friends who should be removed under the same policy I mentioned. Its +a broad stroke that doesn't just affect a single person +(12/14/2008 01:25:55 PM) tsunam_: so far I see 2 for and 1 against +(12/14/2008 01:26:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: This makes life difficult for me as I had +planned to abstain. I will declare my interest +(12/14/2008 01:27:17 PM) tsunam_: NeddySeagoon: when have I ever made your life +easy +(12/14/2008 01:27:40 PM) fmccor: An abstain would make it I *think* 2.5 - 1.5, +but I am not sure. +(12/14/2008 01:27:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: I was one of several that complained to +council about Philantrop (I know of at least one other) +(12/14/2008 01:28:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: I cannot honestly say that that would not +be colouring my vote. I abstain +(12/14/2008 01:29:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: but I recognise that Philantrop satisfies +the membership requirements +(12/14/2008 01:30:14 PM) tsunam_: so we've recieved a yes from deedra, fmccor. +No from tsunam. Abstain from NeddySeagoon +(12/14/2008 01:30:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, correct +(12/14/2008 01:30:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have no idea where that leaves +Philantrops' membership +(12/14/2008 01:31:07 PM) tsunam_: its still a majority for yes +(12/14/2008 01:31:19 PM) fmccor: Well, an abstain is not a no, so it can't count +as one. +(12/14/2008 01:31:32 PM) fmccor: I think it counts as .5/.5 split +(12/14/2008 01:31:40 PM) tsunam_: either way see above +(12/14/2008 01:31:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Well, that makes the arithmetic easy +(12/14/2008 01:31:56 PM) tsunam_: lol +(12/14/2008 01:32:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: Philantrop, is a foundation member +(12/14/2008 01:32:19 PM) quantumsummers: approved. +(12/14/2008 01:32:24 PM) Philantrop: Thanks, guys! +(12/14/2008 01:32:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: only just :) +(12/14/2008 01:32:59 PM) tsunam_: next? +(12/14/2008 01:33:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets go back to the things quantumsummers +missed +(12/14/2008 01:33:19 PM) fmccor: So we've approved everyone but one, and we +don't have enough information there. +(12/14/2008 01:33:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: 2 Certified Public Accountant - +quantumsummers +(12/14/2008 01:33:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yes +(12/14/2008 01:33:46 PM) quantumsummers: I have 2 CPAs available +(12/14/2008 01:34:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, pro bono ? +(12/14/2008 01:34:41 PM) quantumsummers: only one for free at this time, still +working on a deal with the other +(12/14/2008 01:35:03 PM) quantumsummers: 50/50 chance there +(12/14/2008 01:35:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: do you have all the finance data you need +from tsunam_ ? +(12/14/2008 01:35:44 PM) quantumsummers: no, I basically need bank & paypal, etc +data +(12/14/2008 01:35:53 PM) quantumsummers: for this year +(12/14/2008 01:36:03 PM) tsunam_: k +(12/14/2008 01:36:04 PM) quantumsummers: & past, which is available +(12/14/2008 01:36:20 PM) tsunam_: will try and get current paypal done +(12/14/2008 01:36:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, thanks +(12/14/2008 01:36:40 PM) quantumsummers: they are going to want to see any +available data from the past few years +(12/14/2008 01:37:05 PM) quantumsummers: the goal here is to have a complete +picture +(12/14/2008 01:37:10 PM) tsunam_: that's quite honestly paypal only +(12/14/2008 01:37:17 PM) quantumsummers: perfect +(12/14/2008 01:37:33 PM) quantumsummers: a spreadsheet or csv will be ideal +(12/14/2008 01:37:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, tsunam_ you two can sort +this out off line ? +(12/14/2008 01:37:54 PM) quantumsummers: tsunam_: email? +(12/14/2008 01:38:13 PM) ***NeddySeagoon bets they mean Excell +(12/14/2008 01:38:19 PM) quantumsummers: NO +(12/14/2008 01:38:26 PM) tsunam_: sure +(12/14/2008 01:38:26 PM) fmccor: :) +(12/14/2008 01:38:27 PM) quantumsummers: :) +(12/14/2008 01:38:34 PM) quantumsummers: just a csv is fine +(12/14/2008 01:38:43 PM) quantumsummers: whatever is the easiest, really +(12/14/2008 01:38:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: Nice to be wrong on that one +(12/14/2008 01:38:47 PM) tsunam_: will work out the details with quantumsummers +(12/14/2008 01:38:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(12/14/2008 01:38:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: Moving on +(12/14/2008 01:38:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: Send friendly cease and desist emails to +copyright infringers spotted on cafepress - quantumsummers +fmccor fmccor|work +(12/14/2008 01:40:25 PM) ***quantumsummers runs away as he has not accomplished +the task. fmccor would you happen to have some template to work from. my +legalese isn't so great & I am trying to be too diplomatic perhaps +(12/14/2008 01:40:48 PM) quantumsummers: I do have a long list of "offenders" +(12/14/2008 01:40:59 PM) ***quantumsummers is sorry +(12/14/2008 01:41:15 PM) quantumsummers: work has been a bit crazy lately +(12/14/2008 01:41:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, we don't want to come +over all heavy handed and legal. Just a simple here are our trademarks, please +don't do it any more +(12/14/2008 01:41:36 PM) tsunam_: no worries quantumsummers, its good work is +crazy +(12/14/2008 01:41:41 PM) ***quantumsummers is ready for his lashes +(12/14/2008 01:41:50 PM) quantumsummers: :) +(12/14/2008 01:42:06 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, I don't have a template, but +like what NeddySeagoon said works just fine. +(12/14/2008 01:42:18 PM) quantumsummers: ok +(12/14/2008 01:42:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, the emphasis is on the +friendly +(12/14/2008 01:42:30 PM) quantumsummers: I understand +(12/14/2008 01:42:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, when can you do it by ? +(12/14/2008 01:43:07 PM) fmccor: Although it is "please don't do it without +permission." For all I know, we'd support them if they would ask. +(12/14/2008 01:43:25 PM) quantumsummers: diplomacy is a good thing, I _will_ +write it after the meeting & send it to you for final approval. Note, it will +likely be short. +(12/14/2008 01:43:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, Competing against us in the USA ? +(12/14/2008 01:43:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: Short is good +(12/14/2008 01:44:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: 5. Foundation Knowledge Management Needs +quantumsummers did you finish with this ? +(12/14/2008 01:44:23 PM) fmccor: Selling things? I'd balance the publicity and +good will with the income, and probably grant permission. +(12/14/2008 01:44:49 PM) quantumsummers: please ask permission so we can keep +track of who's using our IP +(12/14/2008 01:45:04 PM) quantumsummers: as we need to track these things +(12/14/2008 01:45:17 PM) quantumsummers: (donations welcome :) ) +(12/14/2008 01:45:20 PM) fmccor: Yes, and so that we don't lose it. We have to +write the letter at least. +(12/14/2008 01:45:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, stop while you negiotiate +with us +(12/14/2008 01:45:23 PM) quantumsummers: something like that^^ +(12/14/2008 01:45:54 PM) quantumsummers: perfect +(12/14/2008 01:46:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: 5. Foundation Knowledge Management Needs +quantumsummers did you finish with this ? +(12/14/2008 01:46:46 PM) quantumsummers: ok, regarding knowledge management, +yes, do you guys want me to put this up somewhere private? +(12/14/2008 01:47:07 PM) quantumsummers: ssl that is +(12/14/2008 01:47:13 PM) quantumsummers: login only +(12/14/2008 01:47:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: If you have a writeup, put it on the +trustees@ alias +(12/14/2008 01:47:30 PM) quantumsummers: no, I meant the apps +(12/14/2008 01:47:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, Yes. Much of the content +cannot be public +(12/14/2008 01:48:09 PM) quantumsummers: like the membership app, I can put that +up on monday or tues +(12/14/2008 01:48:19 PM) quantumsummers: just for us +(12/14/2008 01:48:29 PM) quantumsummers: __not __ public +(12/14/2008 01:48:50 PM) quantumsummers: we can make any data public you want +(12/14/2008 01:48:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok - then we can have a play with it. +Have you spoken with infra ? +(12/14/2008 01:49:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: It would be good if they host it +(12/14/2008 01:49:32 PM) quantumsummers: I haven't spoken with infra lately +about this, there was some reluctance to run a django stack +(12/14/2008 01:50:08 PM) quantumsummers: worse case, I can stick it on an IP, +with no dns +(12/14/2008 01:50:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: Talk to them before you put it up. +(12/14/2008 01:50:13 PM) quantumsummers: ok +(12/14/2008 01:50:15 PM) quantumsummers: :) +(12/14/2008 01:50:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: For continuity, it needs to be on +gentoo -infra +(12/14/2008 01:50:45 PM) quantumsummers: technically its running now, but on a +private lan +(12/14/2008 01:50:56 PM) quantumsummers: oh, I agree completely +(12/14/2008 01:51:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, any more on your bits ? +(12/14/2008 01:51:20 PM) quantumsummers: its just not "production" tested +(12/14/2008 01:51:34 PM) quantumsummers: not really NeddySeagoon +(12/14/2008 01:51:35 PM) tsunam_: that is to be expected +(12/14/2008 01:51:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: 8. # Any other business +(12/14/2008 01:52:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have one item +(12/14/2008 01:52:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: ... two items +(12/14/2008 01:52:20 PM) fmccor: Yes, we should not forget to autovoice the new +members. +(12/14/2008 01:52:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yep +(12/14/2008 01:53:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: DoNM the first Sunday after the 2nd +Thursday of the month is 11 Jan 2009 at 19:00 +(12/14/2008 01:53:25 PM) tsunam_: k +(12/14/2008 01:53:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: Is that ok ? +(12/14/2008 01:53:29 PM) tsunam_: works for me +(12/14/2008 01:53:32 PM) quantumsummers: we left dang & jef_fro off the list of +devs applying for membership +(12/14/2008 01:53:43 PM) fmccor: Is that after the e.V. meeting? +(12/14/2008 01:53:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, they are already members +(12/14/2008 01:53:54 PM) quantumsummers: oops +(12/14/2008 01:53:58 PM) quantumsummers: :D +(12/14/2008 01:54:02 PM) fmccor: I think it is on the 9th, but not sure. +(12/14/2008 01:54:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, its our tradidional sunday after +the Council meeting +(12/14/2008 01:55:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets make it 11th for now. We can find +out about the e.V. meeting and move ours if we need to +(12/14/2008 01:56:00 PM) fmccor: Just noting that our next meeting should be +after theirs. +(12/14/2008 01:56:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: The other item I have is setting of a +recording date. I propose the Date of our Next meeting +(12/14/2008 01:56:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yep that would be good but we +don't know when that is just now +(12/14/2008 01:57:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: The recording date needs a vote. +(12/14/2008 01:57:28 PM) tsunam_: the 11 is fine for me. Lets assume that for +now +(12/14/2008 01:57:33 PM) fmccor: Yes +(12/14/2008 01:57:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: Members admitted after that date do not +get to stand or vote in the March 2009 election +(12/14/2008 01:57:45 PM) dmwaters: yes +(12/14/2008 01:57:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes from me too +(12/14/2008 01:58:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, the recording date ? +(12/14/2008 01:58:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its like buying shares ex-dividend :) +(12/14/2008 01:58:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: stock* +(12/14/2008 01:58:57 PM) tsunam_: lol +(12/14/2008 01:59:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, are you good with the date ? +(12/14/2008 01:59:26 PM) tsunam_: yep +(12/14/2008 01:59:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks +(12/14/2008 01:59:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, Any other business ? +(12/14/2008 01:59:50 PM) dmwaters: NeddySeagoon: nope +(12/14/2008 02:00:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, anything ? +(12/14/2008 02:00:08 PM) fmccor: Just the autovoice +(12/14/2008 02:00:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(12/14/2008 02:00:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, anything else ? +(12/14/2008 02:00:35 PM) tsunam_: nope +(12/14/2008 02:00:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: 9. Open floor +(12/14/2008 02:00:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Anyone at all for any more +(12/14/2008 02:01:42 PM) quantumsummers: that was fast :) +(12/14/2008 02:01:58 PM) dmwaters: and, i need to go +(12/14/2008 02:02:00 PM) fmccor: As it should ne. :) +(12/14/2008 02:02:03 PM) fmccor: ^ne^be +(12/14/2008 02:02:06 PM) ***NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed +(12/14/2008 02:02:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thanks everyone
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2008/july08.txt b/2008/july08.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..4e53910 --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/july08.txt @@ -0,0 +1,757 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> whos here +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, tgall_foo tsunam wltjr ?? +20:00 <@tsunam> hmm +20:01 <@fmccor> Here. +20:01 <@tsunam> my hmm = here =) +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats 3 of us ... we have a quorum so lets start +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Actions From the Last Meeting - We still have section 5 to review ... I suggest we can do the before the next meeting ang get the bylaws up for adoption then +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Sorry, that should have been Bylaws +20:03 <@fmccor> Please let's do. +20:03 -!- musikc [n=musikc@gentoo/developer/musikc] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we set a meeting for section 5 next Sunday, if its not resolved in email by then ? +20:04 <@fmccor> Yes, but resolution by email sounds like a winner if we can. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Its not contentious, I'll post my thoughts in the next day or so +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam ... your turn +20:05 * wltjr is doing yard work will be in and out +20:05 <@tsunam> Well as we've been discussing about the banking. There's a few options +20:05 -!- mpagano [n=mpagano@gentoo/developer/mpagano] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:06 <@tsunam> one of which is related to where our outside of the NM address is +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, a public statement for the record would be good +20:06 <@tsunam> and the banks there +20:06 <@tsunam> or a bank in NM. +20:06 <@tsunam> problem is that most require you to be in person to sign paperwork +20:06 <@tsunam> Which all seems silly to me as i've opened quite a few accounts online only... +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> personal <> company +20:07 <@tsunam> which brought up a discussion about moving the foundation for making it easier to deal with +20:07 * fmccor thought we were on track with Wells Fargo? +20:07 <@tsunam> that seems the most likely place as it has a wide range of offices +20:07 <@tsunam> that quite a few of us could go to a local office and sign the paperwork +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> brb +20:08 <@tsunam> I also made a minor update to the bank nfp documentation but realized the work I did on the quarterly reports was wrong so I'm having to redo them ~_~ +20:08 <@fmccor> I thought wltjr had it set up to do Wells Fargo by fax --- I sent him some paperwork based on that. +20:09 <@tsunam> that'd be up to the man doing yardwork if that's the case +20:09 <@tsunam> once its established can have grant send the check to them for deposit... +20:09 <@tsunam> assuming its still good +20:10 <@fmccor> He needs to shut off his lawn mower, or whatever, and let us know. :) +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> back +20:11 <@fmccor> I know we discussed it last Wednesday; you and Tom and William and I. +20:11 <@tsunam> so that's the current state +20:11 <@tsunam> fmccor: i was only partially here as I discussed then due to working at work :-P +20:11 <@fmccor> And Roy, too. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I have a copy of my DL for wltjr to collect but its designed to be copy proof, so its not a good copy +20:13 <@fmccor> I thought wltjr was collecting drivers licenses and consent forms, so I sent all that to him. He should have received it yesterday (or perhaps tomorrow). +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, me too - whats a consent form, I don't recall seeing that +20:14 <@fmccor> Mine copied fine; I noticed it was a pretty good photograph, too, so I'll try to scan it for a "mug shot" +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> My UK one does not have a photo +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Next +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Trustees and Foundation Article For the GMN - NeddySeagoon +20:15 <@fmccor> There were a couple emails from the bank to all of us; one of them had a pdf form attached. I don't know if William needs those or not, so I just signed it a bunch of places and sent it on. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> I posted my section +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> I missed that PDF but I still have the emails +20:16 <@fmccor> I planned to do mine, but got distracted by some on-going drama. +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^ +20:16 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, We need the form from Tom (as secretary) and one other officer. I don't know if he needs any others or not. +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, & tgall_foo +20:17 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: the form or the article? +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, both I suppose :) sorry for the mixup +20:17 <@fmccor> I'll do my part of the article tomorrow if things otherwise stay calm. +20:17 <@tsunam> lol +20:17 <@fmccor> Bah. +20:18 <@tsunam> I need to review the emails myself +20:19 <@fmccor> tgall_foo 's laptop seems not to be starting. :) +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm proposing that I'm not a signatory to cheques ... it would be too complicated +20:19 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: *nods* +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, maybe he ran over it with the lawnmower +20:19 <@fmccor> I filled out the box, but I don't need to be a signatory. +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, what about the GMN special ? +20:20 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: the sample you posted. I have no issued doing one for myself +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> The hard bit is working oout what we agree on for a going forward joint statement +20:21 * fmccor is easy there. +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm happy to put the article togther from everyones inputs +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for actions from the last meeting ? +20:23 <@fmccor> Yes, I had an assignment. +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I must have missed that ... carry on +20:24 <@fmccor> We are looking to put together a licensing agreement for intrenational use when people like pva or our Czech correspondent wish to sell Gentoo branded T-shirts or whatever. +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, yes +20:24 <@fmccor> I spoke with Renat and he did put me in contact with his friend who did our Trademark stuff. +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> the pro-bono group ? +20:25 <@fmccor> I'm in contact with her, but she is out of the office until about the 22nd of this month. +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> So nothing will happen until then +20:26 <@fmccor> We'll talk then, and if that does not work out, Renat has a couple other contacts, too (one where he is currently interning, and one in Boston where he was interning earlier this summer). +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, on to Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +20:26 <@fmccor> Wait, there's more +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> ok ... +20:27 <@fmccor> I think we want to transfer the Trademark to the Foundation from Gentoo-whatever-Daniel-originally-called-it (maybe just a technicality --- I need to ask) +20:27 <@fmccor> If we do, I think that's just filling out a form and sending someone $100. +20:27 <@tsunam> Gentoo Technologies Inc +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I thought that was already done +20:28 <@fmccor> At least, that's what lawyer Tanda Neustein(?) told Renat. +20:29 <@fmccor> Apparently not. I have to make sure when she is back in her office. +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I'll rummage my emails after the meeting +20:29 <@fmccor> A couple weeks ago or a bit less, two emails from rl03 to the trustees@ +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:30 <@fmccor> Which were basically cover notes for emails from Tanda to him. +20:30 * fmccor is done now. :) +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, on to Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> 177966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities what do we have to do to kill this one ? +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we put it on hold until the Bylaws are done and we have some idea of where the Foundation is headed ? +20:33 <@tsunam> I would say yes +20:33 <@tsunam> as the new bylawys should clear up a lot +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> ok I'll make a note in the agenda +20:34 <@fmccor> OK. I don't even know quite what the bug is referring to. +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date we still need to fix our own store +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> The licencing agreement won't do that +20:35 <@fmccor> No, it just lets other people sell Gentoo-branded things. +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> There are 3 options ... close the strore, run it ourselves or appoint some officers (a store project) to do it. Thoughts ? +20:37 * musikc coughs and mutters something about have PR assist +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, are you volunteering ? +20:37 <@fmccor> There's a 4th option, sounds like a good one to me. +20:38 < musikc> id say the trustees would clearly still address the money aspect, but regarding the largest complaint of keeping the store up to date, that could easily and quite logically be delegated to PR as it could be viewed as a public facing entity. +20:38 < musikc> and id need to confer with dberkholz first, just an idea at present ;) +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, thats ok if members of PR became officers of the Foundation ... I don't have a problem with that +20:39 <@tsunam> wouldn't need to be a developer, could just be staff and someone recruited for running said store +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, exactly +20:40 < musikc> doesnt require tree access iirc so any staffer or ebuild dev, wouldnt matter. or are you saying someone without a gentoo email address do it? +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> They don't even need to be Foundation members +20:40 <@fmccor> It makes sense for the Foundation to designate a PR position; doens't have to be an officer. +20:40 < musikc> id say if an external party would be interested, in line with my suggestion and thinking, bring them in to PR to perform such a task +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, that works too ... they do not need a @g.o email +20:41 < musikc> the email address makes it easy for anyone to know how to contact them, makes it a "no brainer" +20:41 <@fmccor> True. +20:41 < musikc> and there are minimal requirements to become a staffer :) +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> We could recruit someone to staff then +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> snap* +20:42 < musikc> 1) find a void; 2) propose how to fill it; 3) get someone to vouch for you so you can join :) +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, yep +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Maybe put an Ad in situations vacant in the GMN +20:42 < musikc> if you are interested in the notion of PR assisting with keeping the store up to date, id be happy to start dialog with donnie to assess his interest level and gain his thoughts on the matter +20:43 <@fmccor> I'd support it. +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, It seems a logical step, I support it +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^ you ok with that ? +20:43 <@tsunam> yep +20:43 <@fmccor> I think whoever did it would be "dual staff" --- Gentoo PR staff and Foundation staff. +20:43 <@fmccor> But we are already doing that. :) +20:43 < musikc> ok, i'll fire off an email to find a mutally convenient time to discuss the idea more indepth with donnie. im PR staff, he is the lead so i'd want his buy in. ;) +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, You have an action from the meeting then +20:44 < musikc> np +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +20:44 <@fmccor> musikc, Thanks. +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Its your solo now ... Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 +20:45 <@tsunam> We spent next to no money and have over 80 people donate to Gentoo this year. WE NEED to set a budget for spending money. At least one new server a year for infra as they are still using p3's as core infra boxes +20:46 <@tsunam> as you're aware some of them are really showing age, such as the forums frontend box +20:46 <@tsunam> Taking in money without really spending any is not a benefit to anyone +20:46 < antarus> ummm +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, A budget will cover both income and expendature +20:46 < antarus> to be fair, there is nothing wrong with a pIII for some services +20:46 < antarus> aside from power usage +20:46 < antarus> an dheat +20:47 <@tsunam> There's a few outstanding repayments as I need to get with paypal and deal with their again new requirements to send money +20:47 <@tsunam> antarus: a 6 year old box is a problem +20:47 <@tsunam> the likelyhood of failure grows as it goes on +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, do you have a balance sheet that should be published ? +20:48 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: as i said before the quarterly reports are being worked on currently I made a mistake on a fairly early one that needs to be corrected and reflected in the rest =/ +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, bummer. Should we defer this to the next meeting ? +20:49 <@tsunam> Aye +20:49 <@tsunam> I should hopefully have them all corrected an updated for the last 3 years by then ~_` +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, You should lead setting a budget too. IS there time before the next meeting ? +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Notice lead ... not do it all +20:50 <@tsunam> weekends work best for me, or later pst evenings +20:50 <@wltjr> sry, this time is very hard for me on Sundays +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, lets discuss meeting times under AOB +20:51 <@tsunam> I basically need to talk with a few of the leads where money would be allocated (infra, pr) being two of the main to discuss it +20:51 <@wltjr> wrt to bank account I have to get in touch with Wells Fargo to inquire about Roy being outside the US +20:51 <@wltjr> they seem to want all on file to be on bank account and we likely have some issues there +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, did you get my encrypted email ? +20:52 <@fmccor> wltjr, You should have received some paperwork from me. If not, then tomorrow, I think. +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> moving on, whe touched on this last meeting Trustees and Councillors - Potential Conflict of Interest +20:54 <@fmccor> Everyone I mentioned it to suggested that doing both was a bad idea. +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> The two bodies are supposed to be separate ... serving on both breaks the separation. +20:55 <@fmccor> I don't know if there's an actual conflict or not, but I suggest we just not do it. +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, wltjr ^^ +20:55 <@tsunam> I won't serve on both ever so =) +20:56 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes I got your email, but not sure I was able to de-crypt +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Nor me +20:56 <@wltjr> fmccor: nothing from you in mail yet, big city so takes an extra day sometimes +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need something in the bylaws about it ? +20:56 <@tsunam> In this case I would believe so +20:56 <@wltjr> I see less of a conflict, more taking on to many high level positions, major voids if we lose 1 +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> We won't always be the trustees +20:57 <@fmccor> Perhaps. It would be one line in the qualifications for trustees. +20:57 <@tsunam> As a trustee you should not serve on any other governing body of the Gentoo organization +20:57 <@wltjr> but if the trustees and counsel work together, as proper checks and balances, they should not share any people +20:57 <@tsunam> would be a short snippet +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thats a part of the isse +20:57 <@wltjr> tsunam: agreed +20:57 <@wltjr> maybe change should, to cannot +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a vote ? I'll propose some words for Section 5 of the bylaws +20:58 <@wltjr> FYI we need bylaws for bank account +20:58 <@wltjr> it's part of the paperwork they want to see +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we are proposing adoption at the nect meeting +20:58 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: if you want I think we are all in agreement, but can't hurt to vote if you wish :) +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:59 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: cool, shouldn't be much left to do, gives me time to find out about international aspects of the bank account +20:59 <@wltjr> would suck if because of banking reasons we have to restrict officers or board members to US only +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to add words to the bylaws that no individual can serve on the council and as a trustee concurrently +20:59 <@fmccor> wltjr, We can give then bylaws in current state if we can kill of Section 5 by email next week. +20:59 <@wltjr> banks expect there to be an owner, which Gentoo has none, so doesn't help us there with that +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> vote ? +20:59 <@fmccor> wltjr, We are a corporation. +20:59 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I say top level, which includes infra IMHO +21:00 <@tsunam> wltjr: basically wells fargo doesn't do international banking well +21:00 <@wltjr> fmccor: still has some form of ownership usually, share holders etc +21:00 <@wltjr> tsunam: agreed, and they have some Home Land Security issues as well +21:00 <@wltjr> they had new questions DHS made them ask, like international wire transfers +21:01 <@wltjr> which I said we might, as if there is people in Russia, Czech, etc selling Gentoo stuff, I assume they might wire the funds monthly or something vs mailing a check +21:01 <@fmccor> wltjr, I thought the form just wanted some signatures from officers. +21:01 <@wltjr> fmccor: they seem to want all principles, and not sure about our president residing outside the US +21:01 <@wltjr> luckily UK is not a big deal, but still in future years, could be another country +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I can sign the form and post it (air mail) +21:02 <@wltjr> what happens if we have no one in the US elected to the board one year ? +21:02 <@fmccor> We only fill out their form once. +21:02 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I am not even sure you can be on the account, I have to find that out +21:02 <@fmccor> I wouldn't worry about it. +21:02 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I am hoping we can create the account withuot you on it entirely, as I don't think they will let foreigners be on the account, I have to ask, not assume +21:02 <@fmccor> At least, not now. +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ok +21:02 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: hang tight, let me call them Monday +21:03 <@wltjr> also off topic, some jerk hit my 6mnth old new car the other day, so my time frame next week, etc is going to be crap, followed shortly by a trip to CA 1st-11th for LWE and other business +21:03 <@fmccor> wltjr, They ask for addresses only for signaturies. +21:04 <@wltjr> I will try to call Wells Fargo on monday, but I also must meet with the insurance adjuster and get my baby to a body shop, and I have full day of work :( +21:04 <@fmccor> wltjr, The other signatures are just signatures and dates. +21:04 <@wltjr> fmccor: they want all ids, etc +21:04 <@wltjr> fmccor: I need to contact them and ask them some details +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets get it sorted out on Monday +21:04 <@wltjr> plus the more we add to the bank account the more we have to remove +21:05 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I will try but I have allot going on that day, and unfortunately Gentoo will not be a major priority, life comes first :( +21:05 <@wltjr> I think we might be best sticking with just a treasurer and one to two others on the account max if we can +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Fine, I understand ... I was just repeating what you said +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Moving on ... International Requests For Gentoo Merchandise +21:05 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: roger that :) +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, has already covered that +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> 7. Gentoo Tee Shirts - Request from cz +21:06 <@fmccor> I'm fine with it. +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> We have had a request to OK tee shirts in .cz I propose we go ahead while the paperwork is being sorted out +21:07 <@fmccor> Agreed. +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, tsunam tgall_foo ^^ +21:07 <@tsunam> Its fine with me +21:07 < musikc> Are these on the Gentoo store site or a secondary site? +21:07 <@tsunam> secondary +21:08 * musikc nods +21:08 <@tsunam> with an agreement to give money back to the foundation +21:08 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I don't have a problem, they made a generous offer of $2 or something per T +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, a vendor in cz want to use our logo on tee shirts +21:08 < musikc> Just curious now, will they also provide regular statement of activity? +21:09 <@wltjr> musikc: well given the informal nature of all of Gentoo's activities, I don't see this being much different +21:09 < musikc> i just recall when wolf was a trustee he spent a lot of man hours tracking down illegal use +21:09 <@wltjr> so long as they give something back, I don't see us looking to audit or have them do additional paperwork or reports to us to show us they are being honest and straight forward +21:09 <@wltjr> musikc: we are trying to avoid that and reverse it +21:09 <@fmccor> musikc, In this case, they asked for permission, so I don't think they want to work illegally. +21:10 < musikc> id be inclined to think they do not wish to use it illegally either, doesnt hurt to ask for a statement of activity does it? +21:10 <@fmccor> Not at all. +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, nope. +21:10 < musikc> wltjr, ive no idea what you are referring to when you say "avoid that and reverse it" +21:10 <@fmccor> They'd had to provide something, because we want a kick-back. +21:10 <@wltjr> musikc: also add some bounty to any tracking down, as once we have a general policy of requiring like 2%, if we have to have counsel go after them, at least there will be some finanial benefit, vs just a cease and desist +21:11 <@wltjr> musikc: if we have no policy, no requirement of them giving back to the foundation, then we must go after them for no gain +21:11 <@wltjr> if we put forth a general policy, that let's all know what is legal and not, and what the requirements there are +21:12 < musikc> wltjr, read this carefully as i dont say it often, that makes sense and seems rather agreeable. +21:12 * musikc giggles +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, licence anyone who asks - under the same terms but still hunt down those who don't ask +21:12 * musikc nods +21:12 <@wltjr> musikc: more of them coming to us, and having permission without asking, should hopefully lead to less enforcement, and if/when there is the need, there will be some benefit +21:12 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, all sounds logical, was just interested when i saw talk of selling merchandise since ive rather said PR should aid in that area ;) +21:12 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I thought the idea behind the policy was not having to ask in the first place +21:13 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: if they send us $ who cares if they ask or not, short of being nice to so we are aware of them +21:13 <@fmccor> wltjr, No, I don't think so. +21:13 < musikc> wltjr, how could you know the policy was enforced if you've never talked to them? otherwise it would look like any donation and not specifically tied to the actual cause. +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, I will forward you the email, if thats ok with the other trustees here +21:13 <@fmccor> We still want to know about them. +21:13 <@fmccor> Fine with me. +21:13 < musikc> fmccor, makes sense. give props where due and all +21:13 <@wltjr> musikc: easy, company selling stuff, we would know if they are giving back or not, just the same as if they never contacted us, no diff there really +21:14 <@wltjr> we could require in a policy that they contact us and get permission +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the difference is they if they contact us they get a licence ... it could even be a web form +21:14 < musikc> wltjr, seems two different things entirely. one involves someone giving money back and the other involves never knowing that they SHOULD have +21:14 <@fmccor> wltjr, They still have to tell us they agree to the license. +21:14 <@wltjr> but if they donate funds they collected on behalf of the foundation, I would assume they would provide a note or reason when presenting those funds to the foundation +21:14 < musikc> wltjr, ok, if you require they contact that makes a lot more sense IMO +21:15 <@wltjr> musikc: a public policy is like a speed limit +21:15 < musikc> wltjr, be careful with assumptions... we all know what they often lead to +21:15 <@wltjr> if we put it out there, it's others job to be aware of and follow the policy, there are many laws that exist we have no clue of, but we must obide by them, and is our responsibility to be aware of them, not the law +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> The details still need to be worked out ... +21:16 <@fmccor> wltjr, A license agreement is like a franchise agreement or a contract --- we have a form, and they tell us they agree to it. +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, yep +21:16 <@wltjr> allot of this is based on stuff I was reading from Apples usage stuff, of like the word Apple, their logo etc +21:16 < musikc> honestly if someone wants to sell Gentoo branded merchandise, it should not be a stretch to simply say "hey let us know how you're using our logo" +21:16 <@fmccor> musikc, correct. +21:16 * fmccor agrees +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, I think they have to, or our logo becomes public domain +21:16 < musikc> exactly +21:17 <@fmccor> Indeed, it does. Like heroin. :) +21:17 < musikc> and id rather avoid the potential for defacing the logo which would undoubtedly happen if it were public domain +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> We have to protect our logo and trade marks +21:17 <@wltjr> well international enforcement is a tricky arena +21:17 <@wltjr> within the US and with our allies it's one thing +21:17 <@fmccor> We can't control pirates. +21:18 < musikc> no way to prevent it from happening, but it is good to be able to have an enforcable policy +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, it depends how hard you have to push - often a polite did you know ... is enogh +21:18 <@wltjr> but like violation of our policies in Russia, not sure what we could do, nor how that would effect a US trademark status, as in giving other us entities legal right to use without permisison because a Russian one is abusing it +21:18 < musikc> and fmccor, i do believe NeddySeagoon is correct that if we do not enforce it on even one person it would then become public domain. +21:18 <@fmccor> But there are some steps we can take to protect our trademark --- I think I put that in my email to the lawyer. +21:18 <@wltjr> musikc: domestic or international enforcement? +21:19 <@wltjr> it's a domestic trademark right? +21:19 <@wltjr> musikc: but I know what you are talking about +21:19 <@fmccor> wltjr, I think it's international. +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, I think we have to demonstrate we take 'reasonable steps' to protect our marks +21:19 <@wltjr> a perfect example is the walking fingers +21:19 < musikc> wltjr, that sounds like a question for your lawyers :) +21:19 <@tsunam> wltjr: its registered with the german version as well +21:19 <@wltjr> which used to be trade marked BellSouth, but they did not enforce it, and now they do not own it, every phone book has the walking fingers :) +21:19 <@tsunam> so its international afaik +21:20 <@wltjr> musikc: which we have no relationship with any at this time +21:20 <@wltjr> tsunam: is that tied to the same one that Fenwick did for us? +21:20 <@tsunam> nope +21:20 <@tsunam> was done by one of the gentoo developers in germany.. +21:21 < musikc> wltjr, if the trustees have no relationship with the Gentoo pro bono lawyers i was not aware. did they quit? +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> the eV there ... I think it was ian +21:21 <@wltjr> looks like we might need to register or something with the ITA, International Trademark Associaiont +21:21 <@fmccor> musikc, I'm in contact with her, but she's out of the office until about the 22nd. +21:21 <@wltjr> musikc: we are working on establishing a relationship with them, fmccor is +21:22 <@wltjr> musikc: renat worked with them, but right as his term was coming to an end, or after it ended +21:22 < musikc> fmccor, ahhhh, what you said makes more sense than the statement that "we have no relationship" +21:22 <@wltjr> musikc: because we presently don't, we have no dialog, we aren't a customer/client of theirs at this time, etc +21:22 < musikc> people take holidays, i say good for them and i need to do the same soon! +21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, it got droped in the handover and is being picked up again +21:22 <@fmccor> Did I say that? I certainly shouldn't have if I did. +21:22 < musikc> fmccor, no, wltjr said that +21:22 <@wltjr> fmccor: I did +21:23 <@wltjr> fmccor: you are trying to establish a relationship now +21:23 <@wltjr> we have no clue if they will continue to do any pro bono work, take us on a client, etc +21:23 <@fmccor> wltjr, Yes. +21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, re-estoblish +21:23 <@wltjr> we know what they did +21:23 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well I am not clear the foundation ever was established, short of a few trustees being in contact +21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Ah, ok +21:23 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: seems to be just renat, not sure if they were in contact with any other +21:23 < musikc> wltjr, do you ahve reason to believe that with the change in trustees they no longer wish to work with us? +21:24 <@wltjr> musikc: I have no clue, I would hope and assume they would move forward +21:24 <@fmccor> wltjr, And if they are not set up to the international things, Renat knows a couple who are, so we have leads and contacts. +21:24 < musikc> i asked wolf, he said it was always renat who conducted the conversations +21:24 <@wltjr> musikc: but we have needs, and they might have been just assisting with the trademark, and did their charitable stuff +21:25 <@wltjr> in anything we do it's important the relationship be more the foundation than the point of contact, that the other party knows the point of contact will change, but not the end client +21:25 <@fmccor> musikc, wltjr Renat is passing that off to me. because I can talk "lawyer" I guess. :) +21:25 < musikc> wltjr, Gentoo has had the relationship with the pro bono lawyers for years, it was not just for the trademark assistance +21:25 <@wltjr> musikc: first I am hearing of that, not sure about others +21:25 <@wltjr> musikc: ideally all this stuff would have been dealt with during changing of the guards +21:25 < musikc> i am unsure if it was always the same lawyers, but the assistance has been there for numerous years +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> We seemed to have wandered off Gentoo Tee Shirts - Request from cz and onto Any other business +21:26 < musikc> wltjr, just ask previous trustees. i just have the added benefit of hollaring at one in the next room. ;) +21:26 <@wltjr> musikc: I think it was different, as renat seems to be pursuing a career in law, he has connections all over the place +21:26 <@wltjr> musikc: we have, we have gotten info over period as it's been needed +21:26 <@tsunam> musikc: you still do...more or less +21:26 < musikc> wltjr, ok. i was confused when you said it was the first you have heard of it. +21:27 <@wltjr> lessons learned for next time around +21:27 * musikc steps back so NeddySeagoon can bring his conversation back to order ;) +21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets move to AoB +21:27 <@wltjr> musikc: first I have heard of a relationship with Fenwick that wasn't pertaining to the trademark, but could have been other counsel +21:27 <@wltjr> I mean we have retained an attorney in NM, but he can't help with much outside of local issues +21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, you want do discuss a change to the meeting time ? +21:28 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: if possible, sundays are very hard in the summer and likely same afterward +21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, when do you r propose ? +21:28 * wltjr is making an effor to not work on weekends, and to have a life :) +21:28 * musikc giggles +21:28 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: weekday would be best, but not sure that works for others +21:28 < musikc> wltjr, pay a 10 year old to cut your grass then :) +21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Its ok for me +21:28 <@fmccor> Works for me if not too late. +21:28 <@wltjr> musikc: I need the excercise, and for the size of my lawn it wouldn't be cheap +21:29 <@wltjr> but yard work is hardly what I tend to do on Sundays, go to the beach is more like it :) +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, It won't be late, it needs to be about 19:00 UTC for me +21:29 * fmccor starts his work day at about 7:00AM (1100 UTC). +21:29 < musikc> wltjr, my little brother used to do it. managed to get a used riding mower and made quite the profit afterwards ;) +21:29 <@fmccor> 1900UTC is perfect for me. +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, tsunam tgall_foo ^^ +21:30 <@wltjr> musikc: I have thought of hiring a law service and maid, but that's more $ each month, and have to have it coming in +21:30 <@wltjr> contrary to popular opinion I am not wealthy and do not make allot of $ +21:30 <@fmccor> On the west coast, that's noon, and for tgall_foo , it's 1:00PM +21:30 <@wltjr> wrt to Gentoo I make 0, and the more I think about that, I believe Gentoo is costing me and my business $, but that's for another day +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, what day for you ? +21:30 <@tsunam> 1900 works +21:30 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: any weekday is good, I hvae regular work schedules for the most part +21:31 < musikc> wltjr, i dont think anyone believes you are wealthy, you've said repeatedly how you own your own business and work hard to keep it going. :) +21:31 <@wltjr> musikc: work my arse off, I work more and harder than if I worked for someone and make a bit less $ +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> What about a Monday ? ... but really I have no preference +21:31 <@wltjr> actually allot less, but that should change in time, and most of the time I enjoy what I do +21:31 <@fmccor> Verify the time with tgall_foo , I guess, and let him pick a day if it matters. +21:32 <@wltjr> as long as it's not like the second or first Tuesdays, as we have Java team meetings at 18:00 UTC +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I cannot get on IRC from work and most of you would be in bed if I did :) +21:32 * fmccor does not care what day, but has come to loathe weekend meetings. +21:32 <@wltjr> but that might be ok as well, just 2 hours of gentoo meetings :( +21:32 <@wltjr> resulting in 0 commits :( +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm proposing Monday +21:33 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: should be fine, and ty for considering moving the day of the week +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> DONM Moday Aug 18 at 1900 UTC +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Monday* +21:34 <@wltjr> it will really help in my attendance because I keep much better track of my time, appointements, meetings, etc during the week +21:34 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, AoB ? +21:34 <@tsunam> none +21:34 <@wltjr> oh one last thing +21:34 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, AoB ? +21:34 <@wltjr> major thing actually +21:34 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, contine +21:34 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Nope. +21:34 <@wltjr> we need to put forth a vote at some point IMHO, in house foundation or like SPI +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we do ... thats months off yet +21:35 <@wltjr> I think we want to stay in house, but to do so will likely require some changes, organization, structure, etc that many aren't cool with +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> We need a stable Foundation first +21:35 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: ok, I thought we wanted to know before getting to committed with bank account, etc +21:35 * wltjr will be pissed to put hours, weeks, or more time into stuff just to see it reversed +21:36 <@fmccor> wltjr, Perhaps. But I certainly think we want to stay in house. +21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we want to set up as if its in house ... then decide the long term future +21:36 <@wltjr> fmccor: I do as well, but I think we should have a global vote to decided, although we technically could as elected representatives +21:36 <@fmccor> Why? +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, feel free to air your views in your GMN part of the Trustee special +21:37 <@wltjr> fmccor: because it's been clear some of the things that are necessary are very controversial +21:37 <@fmccor> wltjr, We are already set up in house --- why would we need a vote to keep doing that? +21:37 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yeah I need to do something there +21:37 <@wltjr> fmccor: we aren't really +21:37 <@wltjr> fmccor: we don't have a bank account, no financial reporting, no budget, etc +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, those things are all coming +21:37 <@fmccor> And we are actively pursuing all of that. +21:37 <@wltjr> fmccor: we are slowing resurrecting the pieces, but again allot of work that could easily be reversed +21:38 <@fmccor> how? +21:38 <@wltjr> fmccor: is there interest in the foundation? +21:38 <@wltjr> fmccor: will people want to run in a year or so +21:38 <@wltjr> do people even want to see the foundation being active +21:38 <@fmccor> Sure. +21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thats a longer term issue. We have to be sound and legal before we join an umbrella +21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> if we choose to go that way +21:39 <@wltjr> fmccor: I am not so sure, it seems most want the foundation to stick to it's limited roll and agenda, which IMHO doesn't make much sense at all to have a foundation vs outside management +21:39 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: BS, the entire point of joining an umbrella is for them to do the boring work and to get us legal and keep us legal +21:39 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: SPI has no requirements for our condition when we come to them +21:40 < musikc> hmmm... if i may? +21:40 <@fmccor> Please. +21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc sure +21:40 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: the point is the SPI would do for us everything we are now, without us struggling to do it +21:40 <@wltjr> they would manage bank account, funds, reporting, tax filings, donation reports, etc +21:40 < musikc> it makes far more sense to have an organized house to hand over, if thats the decided upon course, than a disorganized one. if you hand over disorganization how do you know if you are getting what you want out of the agreement when you didnt know what you had to begin with? +21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I don't share your confidence but maybe you have looked into it a lot more than me +21:41 <@fmccor> musikc, I agree absolutely with that. +21:41 <@wltjr> musikc: most of our organization goes away and is not required to join an umbrella +21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc++ +21:41 <@wltjr> for example, we don't need a bank account for SPI or SFC +21:41 <@wltjr> as they have their own acounts that funds go into +21:41 <@wltjr> so us creating and having a bank account, means squat to joining an umbrella +21:42 < musikc> wltjr, i see your line of thought and appreciate the thought put into it, however i still hold the opinion that you should know what you are handing over first. +21:42 <@fmccor> wltjr, We have to carry on as we are now anyway, no matter what we might choose in the future. +21:42 <@wltjr> any legal filings, they have to either undo, or correct/change, so having stuff is almost more work than not +21:42 <@wltjr> musikc: I spoke with the SPI let us not forget +21:42 <@fmccor> wltjr, And I don't think any of us want to hand it over in any case. +21:42 <@wltjr> they are different than the SFC to an extent, much more organized, but have little to no requirements +21:42 <@wltjr> and we are already further along than were things were at when I was talking to them +21:43 < musikc> wltjr, you and others have spoken to different groups. it doesnt change the value to knowing what you hand over. and if it requires a bit of work for them to transition it to their group then so be it, at least they know what work they would have to do instead of uncertainity. +21:43 <@wltjr> fmccor: agreed, but the foundation has little to no authority, and if it tries to exert any it quickly becomes controversial +21:43 <@wltjr> musikc: I spoke ot the SFC as well +21:43 <@fmccor> So, remove the "quickly" bit. +21:43 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I don't want to jooin an umbrella while we still have a chance to make a go of our own Foundation. +21:44 <@wltjr> musikc: the SFC is very differet from the SPI, much newer and mostly dealing with smaller entities with way less BS +21:44 < musikc> NeddySeagoon ++ +21:44 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I agree, but I am not sure we have the support +21:44 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, agreed +21:44 <@wltjr> thus a vote would show what direction will be supported by the community +21:44 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, don't worry about a little controversy ... it stirrs the sediment +21:44 <@wltjr> I have no interest in pursuing directions that are not supported, that means we will be pissing in the wind the entire time for any effort or action +21:44 < musikc> wltjr, this discussion seems premature. it appears that others in trustees wish to continue efforts. +21:45 <@fmccor> Agreed. +21:45 < musikc> i support the interest to continue and move forward and look forward to reviewing any ideas you folks share +21:45 <@wltjr> ok, so does anyone else want ot spend hours this week talking to Wells Fargo? +21:45 <@wltjr> regardless of how we feel, in a year we will potentially be replaced +21:45 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we need this discussion sometime but it needs a dedicated meeting and airing on the -ml *after* we can stand on our own feet +21:46 <@wltjr> so anything we do can be undone, unless the community and others share the common long term direction and goals +21:46 < musikc> wltjr, your opinion. any of you can run again and if the foundation members feel your work was just and valuable you'd likely be voted in again. :) +21:46 <@wltjr> standing on our own two feet is hardly trivial +21:46 <@wltjr> I am just trying to justify my time is all +21:46 < musikc> wltjr, anything anyone does in Gentoo could be undone. it's not just for trustees. :) +21:46 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, of course not, its running a busines +21:46 <@wltjr> musikc: yes, but legal issues are much harder +21:47 <@wltjr> musikc: look at what must be done to open an bank account +21:47 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, not harded, just more protracted +21:47 <@wltjr> it's HOURS of work, and is not glorious like commiting to tree or etc +21:47 <@wltjr> and a business with no structure will fail, as has the foundation time and time again +21:47 < musikc> wltjr, so good work doesnt happen easily. you of all people are well aware of that from your experience with your own small business. :) +21:47 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I do hours of work and never commit to the tree :( +21:47 <@wltjr> put another way, how many years has the foundation existed, and how many has it operated smoothly and as it shoudl for? +21:48 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: technical stuff is different I enjoy that +21:48 <@wltjr> I do not enjoy calling about bank accounts, signing stuff that needs to be mailed, etc +21:48 < musikc> wltjr, so because others failed or did what could be viewed as sub par work no one should try to rectify that? you wanted this role to make a difference, do not now be afraid to act for fear of it being undone. +21:48 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I think its only operated properly since March this year ... or at least visibly so +21:49 <@wltjr> musikc: no, my point is action without support is pointless +21:49 <@fmccor> It started off well. +21:49 <@wltjr> musikc: if we correct, but the community doesn't care, it will happen again +21:49 <@wltjr> it's not us that sees our work through, it's the community +21:49 < musikc> wltjr, or if the community supports it now, what is to say that the opinion wont change in a year or two? +21:49 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I think you have been doing a good job of making others aware that the Foundation is alive and kicking, even if its not made you friends +21:50 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: it's literally almost driven me from Gentoo +21:50 < musikc> things change, do not be afraid to act due to fear of change. you guys hold a valuable job and one that is needed. +21:50 <@wltjr> I am so beat up wrt to Foundation stuff, I have no clue where I stand on any of it +21:50 <@fmccor> wltjr, Everything I see suggests that the community appreciates what we are doing. +21:50 <@wltjr> IMHO is all starting to seem like totally wasted time on stuff people just don't care about +21:50 < musikc> wltjr, you seem disenchanted +21:50 <@wltjr> fmccor: really? +21:50 <@wltjr> so who supported my sponsor survey? +21:50 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, have a few weeks off ... The foundation is hard work +21:50 <@wltjr> 1 person, and 1 new sponsor +21:51 <@wltjr> who within gentoo is doing anything to try to help or support the foundation? +21:51 < musikc> wltjr, not everyone will agree with every suggestion. doesnt mean you should just put away the drawing board. +21:51 <@wltjr> musikc: I have run out of suggestions +21:51 <@wltjr> I have come up with stuff on both sides, in the middle, etc no one is happy with anything +21:51 < musikc> wltjr, perhaps try NeddySeagoon's suggestion and take a break +21:52 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, sponsors are going to be a really contraversial can of worms ... no major sponsors donate to the Foundation +21:52 <@wltjr> musikc: which includes you at one point, as well as others +21:52 <@NeddySeagoon> ... yest +21:52 <@NeddySeagoon> yet +21:52 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no they are easy, our new sponsor was great +21:52 < musikc> wltjr, oh you have made suggestions that i am completely opposed to. doesnt mean i think you should stop thinking or suggesting. +21:52 <@wltjr> the hard part is existing sponsors, and going through infra +21:52 <@wltjr> as it seems even updating the sponsors page is a infra matter, which is odd +21:52 <@wltjr> so infra deals with sponsors, another duty of the foudation, that no one wants to see the foundation handle +21:53 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, when they can see a tax advantage, it will get easier to move them +21:53 <@wltjr> musikc: well when ever idea one has get's shot down, it doesn't motivate one to keep on, instead just shut up and let others propose ideas +21:53 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Our sponsors do *not* (yet) donate to the Foundation +21:53 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: tax advantages heh, a 5yr process, I am not confident the house will stay in order for 1yr much less 5, tax incentives are a pipe dream IMHO +21:54 <@wltjr> like if we are serious about 501c3 and umbrella is the only for sure way IMHO +21:54 < musikc> wltjr, that's one way to look at it, giving up. or you could instead find another view point to work and give it another go. +21:54 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, dreams are how it all starts +21:55 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, an umbrella may be lowest risk ... that does not make it right +21:55 <@wltjr> musikc: another point of view is to let ideas play out before shooting them down on the drawing board +21:55 <@wltjr> which for example a while back stuff I believe astinus or antarus I always mix the two, was shooting down on -nfp, months later retracted it on irc, which is like wtf? +21:55 < musikc> wltjr, sorry i dont agree that ideas should be implemented before reviewed, discussed, and possibly re-written. +21:56 < musikc> wltjr, people change. perhaps someone gave it more thought and was swayed to your line of thought. doesnt seem like a bad thing imo. :) +21:56 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, thats the real world, people change their minds +21:56 <@wltjr> musikc: I can say wrt to you and Chris, you all don't know me at all, and some of my ideas you had other assumptions behind, so shot down things you didn't fully understand, because assuming one knows who they are coming from +21:56 <@wltjr> musikc: the more you rip ideas apart, the more time you spend spinning your wheels +21:56 < musikc> wltjr, i feel you are making this personal and hope that is not the case especially given you are talking to me about someone who is not even present. +21:57 <@wltjr> more time is lost to indecision than wrong decision +21:57 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, they key their is 'didn't fully understand' - thats not a reason for giving up +21:57 <@wltjr> everyone is so fearful of being wrong, nothing happens +21:57 <@wltjr> put another way, as I have said before +21:57 <@wltjr> a new dev comes on board, we give them full access/ability to destroy the tree +21:57 < musikc> wltjr, who is fearful of being wrong? it seems that you are expressing your own views as you are the one who is expressing apathy towards suggestions for fear of being shot down. +21:57 <@wltjr> new trustee comes on board, who has been around the community for some time, no trust or faith +21:58 <@fmccor> wltjr, A negative reaction or a disagreement is just that. It doesn't necessarily shoot something down (if it did, my life would be much simpler), it just forces dialog and perhaps compromise. +21:58 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, its not the same ... new job, new tree ... +21:58 <@wltjr> I am just beat up, and if others are more optomistic then more power to them +21:58 < musikc> wltjr, please ask fmccor. he can attest that we do not always agree yet through mutual respect we manage every day and every week to move forward. :) +21:58 <@wltjr> but I seem to always end up in the trenches shoveling the crap +21:59 <@fmccor> wltjr, musikc is right, you know. +21:59 <@wltjr> like I am no longer invovled with by laws process, which I never wanted to be part of, but felt it needed to be reviewed and discussed in depth +21:59 <@wltjr> next thing I am spear heading that, and ideas are all being attested to me personally +21:59 <@wltjr> just looking to help with bank account, and now I am doing that as well +21:59 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, The reaction I have seen to your proposals is one of 'shock horror' because they are out of he blue, not because of resoned well thought out objections +22:00 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: exactly, so they should shut up and object when there is reason to, not theory +22:00 <@fmccor> wltjr, Let's just say that devrel's private conversations would not earn a CoC seal of approval (unless you are thinking Call of Cthulhu :) ) +22:00 <@wltjr> fmccor: I have no clue what your referencing or meaning there +22:00 * musikc giggles +22:00 < antarus> wltjr: you don't make a good sell ;) +22:00 <@tsunam> it sounds like the meeting has digressed... +22:00 <@wltjr> I am really sick of stuff being personally tied to me, I have my own business and my own clients who all are business owners, I have lots of other places for my personal ideas +22:01 < musikc> wltjr, means me and fmccor have knock out drag out fights regularly, but we lick our wounds and move on and find common ground again. :) +22:01 < antarus> also you seem to be in a hurry and then when things are not done at your own pace you take up more stuff +22:01 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the fault, if there is one, is on both sides. Change can come in any direction you like, but slowly ... you have to prepare the way +22:01 < antarus> no one is forcing you to tak eon more tasks ;) +22:01 < antarus> don't overload yourself +22:01 < musikc> hehe, NeddySeagoon, isnt it ghandi who said you must be the change you wish to see? +22:01 <@wltjr> musikc: this stuff has caused me to become ineffective as a trustee, hated as a person, hurt some relationships, kills any technical commit time to gentoo, robs time from my business, and is all making me pretty bitter +22:01 <@fmccor> wltjr, Call if Cthulhu is a pretty well known horror story by H.P. Lovecraft and a role playing game. :) +22:01 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, something like that +22:02 <@tsunam> fmccor: a very good short story +22:02 <@tsunam> fmccor: but I'd not call it horror +22:02 < musikc> wltjr, i can see the bitterness coming through. im sorry you are dealing with that. perhaps you should take the time as neddy suggests and step back, you can later review it after you are well rested. +22:02 <@wltjr> antarus: nope but stuff doesn't get done either way, I really didn't want to be a trustee, but there was void that needed to be filled, no one else stepped up so I did +22:02 <@fmccor> tsunam, Maybe not. It is a good story, though. +22:02 <@wltjr> musikc: were you there almost a year ago when I was discussiong foundation stuff? +22:03 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Stuff will still get done, just more slowly +22:03 <@wltjr> at LWE? +22:03 < musikc> wltjr, yes. i sat quietly and let you share your thoughts regardless of my opinions. +22:03 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: the longer it takes for things to happen, the less time we have to see the work through +22:03 < musikc> wltjr, it is good to air out your thoughts with peers. doesnt mean everyone will later accept them as first suggested though. lots of ideas require revisions. +22:03 <@wltjr> musikc: well all ideas were shot down, my point is almost 1yr solid now carrying about the foundation +22:04 <@wltjr> hasn't improved my life at all, in or outside of Gentoo, I am not to convinced the foundation is any better off +22:04 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Nah, we just change our term of office. Thats only partly in jest +22:04 <@fmccor> wltjr, I work on the belief that if I run again, I'll be re-elect, and in any event I'm an officer of the Foundation until someone else is appointed. :) +22:04 <@wltjr> we aren't getting anywhere, and pretty sure meeting is long over, so I will just let others get on with it +22:04 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I'm sure the Foundation is better off for your contribution +22:05 <@fmccor> Oh, for sure it is. +22:05 < musikc> wltjr, you do seem very bitter and disenchanted with the entire Gentoo experience you currently have. take a break so you can view tihngs with fresh eyes. +22:05 * musikc nods +22:05 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I am not, and I am less happy wrt to Gentoo overall now +22:05 <@wltjr> musikc: no I love the technical experiences +22:05 <@wltjr> I love the java team, and people I work with there, whom I have not been workign with for most of the year +22:05 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Take a break from the Foundation stuff +22:05 < musikc> you've raised a cause that was dying, that alone was good. now you are actively trying to restore and make improvements. not sure how that's bad. just be patient with others when they dont instantly side with your suggestions. +22:06 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, can you pick up the banking stuff ? +22:06 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, No; I'm not qualified for that. +22:06 <@tsunam> hand it back to me +22:06 <@tsunam> I'll figure a way to make time +22:06 <@wltjr> tsunam: nothing stopping you from making the calls +22:06 <@wltjr> we all have the info +22:07 <@fmccor> I think tgall_foo was experienced, and at this point, if I read it right, it's mostly a matter of collecting paperwork at this point. +22:07 <@tsunam> other then I get to work at 7:30ish and go go go until end of the day :-P +22:07 <@wltjr> I literally put in my agenda I have little to no time +22:07 <@wltjr> that any time I spent I wanted to see results sooner than later +22:07 * musikc pokes tsunam +22:07 <@wltjr> that hasn't been the case, and it's resulting in more time from me, and no results +22:07 < musikc> :-P +22:07 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Please take a break +22:07 <@fmccor> I sent my forms to William; he can send them on. +22:07 < musikc> wltjr, it is unrealistic to say that everything must happen right away +22:07 <@wltjr> and while things like the by laws are almost complete, IMHO it's still pretty half ass +22:08 <@tsunam> so we take more time on them +22:08 <@wltjr> like wrt to Foundation members, wtf are they? what does being a member mean? +22:08 <@tsunam> rather have them right then half assed true? +22:08 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the bylaws will always be a moving target +22:08 <@fmccor> I think the bylaws are good enough. We can amend them as needed, and it's much more important to have them in place than to have them perfect. +22:08 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: sure for minor changes, but I don't see the members section being constantly re-written +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr Members ... maybe nothing yet but we can change that +22:09 <@tsunam> <--is in need of food +22:09 < musikc> <---- is in need of a movie +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more AoB ? +22:09 * fmccor is in need of food, too, but for a different meal, probably. +22:09 <@wltjr> no I am done, other things to do +22:09 <@tsunam> fmccor: yar +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Open floor ... +22:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Anybody anything else ? +22:10 * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed +22:10 < antarus> poll dancing +22:10 <@fmccor> wltjr, Can you send the forms I sent you to Joshua, or should I send him copies directly? +22:10 <@wltjr> fmccor: I can send, but you all are getting ahead of yourself +22:10 <@NeddySeagoon> antarus, its pole :) +22:10 <@wltjr> we need to answers to questions to find out if we can even proceed with Wells Fargo +22:11 < antarus> NeddySeagoon: election year and all that ;) +22:11 * musikc giggles at antarus for his poll dance +22:11 < antarus> (and I cannot spell) +22:11 <@wltjr> like if they require the president to be on file, but they have to be a US citizen we are screwed +22:11 <@tsunam> wltjr: just let me know where you got and I'll follow up +22:11 < musikc> wltjr, you are jumping the gun. tsunam has agreed to assist so you can take time off. :) +22:11 <@wltjr> tsunam: I can call them at least and get answers, which I assume will take ~30 minutes, since they will have to ask a supervisor and are not common/normal questions +22:11 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr Nope, we can switch offices +22:12 <@wltjr> tsunam: do you want to call them? do you know the questions I am talking about +22:12 <@wltjr> musikc: to a point I have to see some of it through since my name, phone # etc is tied to the account +22:12 <@tsunam> wltjr: I just need an email that gives the current situation and general what needs to be done +22:12 <@tsunam> wltjr: I'll follow from there +22:12 <@wltjr> info we need to have on file with them but haven't discussed +22:12 < musikc> wltjr, that would be a problem if only one person can even discuss the account +22:12 <@wltjr> not to mention I dislike the bank account address being Mr. Chews +22:12 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, there is no account yet ... yo are however, the contact +22:13 <@wltjr> musikc: yes, we have lots of problems wrt to bank account +22:13 <@tsunam> we'll work on it +22:13 < musikc> no account = anyone can call and ask questions +22:13 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: there is an account application underway +22:13 <@tsunam> wltjr: I'll look for the email from you and work on it as soon as I can +22:13 <@tsunam> for now I'm out +22:13 < musikc> so the trustees are opening an account in which wltjr is the only one who can ask questions or make changes? doesnt sound right, i must be misunderstanding something. +22:13 <@wltjr> till we provide paperwork they won't know who else can deal with the account, aside from me since I made the call and started the process +22:13 <@fmccor> Banks can't be surprised to learn that a corporation might have officers outside the US. +22:14 < musikc> good point fmccor +22:14 <@wltjr> musikc: because banks are not setup for a hybrid organization like ours +22:14 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, apparently not. From their website, that won't start until they check over the paperwork +22:14 <@wltjr> it's very difficult +22:14 <@wltjr> musikc: like when they were inquiring about owners, etc +22:14 <@wltjr> we have no share holders, no one owns gentoo, and that is not like most any other business +22:14 <@fmccor> wltjr, We're a not-for-profit corporation. What's unusual about that? +22:14 < musikc> wltjr, i think someone just needs to take some time. shouldnt be that difficult or unusual, as fmccor points out. +22:15 <@wltjr> fmccor: that no one lives in the state of the NPO, the NPO has no address of it's own +22:15 <@wltjr> fmccor: there are tons of problems +22:15 <@fmccor> We have members. +22:15 <@wltjr> the NPO doesn't have a phone # +22:15 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, The Foundation owns whatever there is to own +22:15 <@wltjr> fmccor: members don't mean squat wrt to a bank acount, that doesn't show ownership +22:15 <@wltjr> while the foundation is a legal entity, banks tie that to individuals as a entity can't managed a bank account +22:15 <@fmccor> We have a board and we have officers. +22:16 <@wltjr> individuals that work for or authorized by the entity due, thus the account get's tied to people as well as the entity +22:16 <@wltjr> fmccor: yes which must all be on file for the account +22:16 <@wltjr> fmccor: which also will all change at some point, and no clue how the bank will deal or react to taht +22:16 <@fmccor> At least for signature authority. +22:16 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, hand over to tsunam and take a month or so off from the Foundation please +22:16 <@fmccor> wltjr, Who cares? That shouldn't surprise them either. +22:17 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I can, but that's only going to set tsunam back in other efforts +22:17 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr We all know that. +22:17 <@wltjr> plus till I do something with Wells Fargo, pretty sure I am the only one who can proceed, unless we start a new application or something +22:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Thisng will slow down but not stop +22:18 < musikc> wltjr, you said there is no account, only paperwork for an account that has yet to be processed. people back out before accounts are started every day. this isnt rocket science. take your break and trust in your fellow trustees. :) +22:18 <@wltjr> well how many months has it been since we were legal again, which was the road block to a bank account +22:18 <@wltjr> I understand tsunam is short on time, that's why I got involved, so stepping back just to see the matter put off for another month or two isn't encouragement +22:18 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Its a hobby, not life and death +22:18 <@wltjr> musikc: opening an account is a process, which is underway +22:18 <@wltjr> musikc: the process is not complete, but there is stuff on file, and I assume a bank account # tied to that info +22:19 <@wltjr> musikc: I provided them with a bunch of info to start the process, we just have to follow through with paperwork +22:19 < musikc> wltjr, what would happen if you quit tomorrow or heaven forbid you were injured or killed? your peers will be able to go on in your absence so enjoy some time off. :) +22:19 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, WF site said that after they had our stuff, someone would contact us about opening the account +22:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Its only first contact so far +22:19 <@wltjr> musikc: if that was the case, I wouldn't even be on the board :) +22:20 <@fmccor> Wells Fargo wants our business, we want them, so they're not looking for reasons to turn us down or throw up roadblocks. +22:20 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes to complete the process that is underway +22:20 <@wltjr> fmccor: no but they can't bend their rules either +22:20 <@fmccor> They already think they have the business --- why else would they ask us to pick out a check design? +22:20 < musikc> wltjr, you wouldnt be on the board if the trustees couldnt survive without you? trust me, life goes on and no one is tied by a life line to Gentoo. +22:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Take your break, we will cover for you ... or do you think we can't ? +22:20 <@wltjr> fmccor: so if their rules say all officers must be on file, and all have to be US citizens then? +22:21 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, then I resign as president - not as trustee +22:21 <@wltjr> musikc: if your saying the foundation would exist without me, possibly, but if it weren't for me making noise, there never would have been an election, much less reinstatement, etc +22:21 < musikc> wltjr, perhaps you would then consider another bank? i know when i traveled to Asia i was happy to see that Citibank had a presence +22:21 <@wltjr> musikc: been there, Wells Fargo is one of our last hopes +22:21 <@fmccor> I think they asked for two officers --- the secretary and one other. I provided my signature there if you need it, and Tom must provide his. +22:22 < musikc> wltjr, again i state, gentoo will move on without any one of us. do not fool yourself into thinking it would wither and die. that's ridiculous and a touch bit arrogant. +22:22 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, *without* travel to sign paperwork +22:22 <@wltjr> musikc: tried Citi and Chase already, we either have to physically go to NM to sign paperwork or look to establish official offices ina nother state +22:22 <@wltjr> musikc: the foundation did die, again if it wasn't for me making that known, nothing would have happen +22:22 <@wltjr> musikc: the last time the foundation operated as it should was 05, one of it's first years in existence +22:22 * antarus notes that you have no idea what would have happened had you said nothing +22:22 < musikc> wltjr, my reference with Citibank was to point out that there are banks that work in a variety of countries. ive no doubt that the trustees will find the right fit with the right bank. +22:23 <@fmccor> musikc, Tom tracked Wells Fargo down based on the fact that they could work without a trip to NM. And if something in person is needed, tsunam is within walking distance of a branch. +22:23 <@wltjr> antarus: I saw what happened from August 07 to January 08 +22:24 < musikc> wltjr, your opinion of everyone elses failures is so noted but is a bit harsh to say no one did anything since 2005 as i simply know people who did work between that time. +22:24 <@fmccor> musikc, Problem with Citibank is they do not have offices in NM; Wells Fargo covers NM, and everyplace else west of the Missippi, and for some reason Indiana. +22:24 <@wltjr> antarus: given the lack of interest in the foundation even to this day, I am not convinced anyone else would have stepped up or said anything, no one cared +22:24 <@wltjr> musikc: stuff was done, but doing stuff and doing all that is required to run the foundation properly are not the same +22:24 < musikc> fmccor, tsunam is not within walking distance of NM. he works with me. +22:24 <@wltjr> musikc: we got the foundation with no bank account, a revoked charter, and last financial report was from 05 +22:25 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Drop it and enjoy your break ... if you come back refreshed, fine, if you consider your position and resign as a trustee, thats fine too. but first, take a break +22:25 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I kinda have been, missed several meetings already +22:25 < musikc> wltjr, you are becoming argumentative and as such i no longer wish to participate in this downward spiral of a conversation. i hope you enjoy your time off, please do not forget to set your .devaway +22:25 <@fmccor> musikc, No, he is within walking distance of a Wells Fargo branch, though, and that's enough if they want to see you (at least, that's what tgall indicated) +22:26 <@wltjr> musikc: um, I have packages to bump, and things to commit, being away as a trustee has nothing to do with being away as a developer +22:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I don't think we are going anywhere with this just now ... chill out away from the Foundation for a month +22:26 <@wltjr> musikc: most are interaction hasn't been pleasant for a while, today was abnormal so far +22:26 < musikc> fmccor, ahhhhh... misunderstood. good that a simple office visit to any office is all that is required. :) +22:26 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, but tsunam will need time off his work :) +22:26 <@wltjr> musikc: if we have to sign stuff in person, but that doesn't seem to be a requirement at this time +22:27 <@wltjr> so far with Wells Fargo we can do it all remotely, no one needs to enter a branch anywhere +22:27 <@fmccor> musikc, The problem we were running in to seems to have been that there are few if any banks doing business both on the east coast and New Mexico. +22:27 < musikc> <wltjr> musikc: this stuff has caused me to become ineffective as a trustee, hated as a person, hurt some relationships, kills any technical commit time to gentoo, robs time from my business, and is all making me pretty bitter +22:27 <@wltjr> plus few banks want ot open a remote account +22:27 < musikc> wltjr, i thought that message indicated you desired time off period. +22:28 <@wltjr> musikc: no, just stating how I feel in my present position +22:28 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, take time off and get to grips with your feelings +22:28 <@wltjr> musikc: I am a very straight forward person, if I didn't say it, don't assume it, never read anything more into what I am saying then the words themselves +22:28 < musikc> *sigh* +22:28 <@wltjr> what I desire is results, time off does not achive that +22:29 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, and words are such a poor form of communication +22:29 <@wltjr> in what a month we will be technically half way into our year, and what we have accomplished so far is pretty minor IMHO +22:29 < musikc> this is getting pointless. fmccor and NeddySeagoon thank you for the enlightening conversation. ill get back to you regarding the PR task. wltjr i really do hope you do something to relieve yourself of such misery and bitterness. +22:29 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, you can run too fast and stumble ... if you are demotivated, take a break +22:29 <@fmccor> wltjr, I think we're done for today. As for the rest, do what seems best, I guess. +22:29 <@wltjr> I said I was done twice already +22:30 <@fmccor> wltjr, I'll always help any way I can. +22:31 <@fmccor> musikc, Thanks again. +22:31 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks musikc +22:31 <@wltjr> fmccor: thanks +22:31 <@fmccor> wltjr, You are welcome. Just ask. +22:32 <@wltjr> fmccor: it's not a help issue it's a time issue +22:32 <@wltjr> time to achieve results +22:33 <@fmccor> Understood. +22:33 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the two are interchangable while you can still divide the problem +22:33 <@wltjr> time is moot when results are achieved, more time spent, less results, less motivation and interest +22:38 <@fmccor> We'll get it done. Just perhaps not as quickly as we might like. diff --git a/2008/june08.txt b/2008/june08.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..de8f51f --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/june08.txt @@ -0,0 +1,388 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +20:00 <@fmccor> I wasn't saying to join. I was mentioning its charactistics. +20:00 <@fmccor> Here. +20:00 <@tsunam> here in spirit only :-P +20:00 <@fmccor> A ghost? +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> tgall_foo, wltjr ? +20:00 <@tsunam> yep its a dead day for me :_P +20:01 <@fmccor> I think wltjr said he was time sharing with yard work. +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, yeah - we have a quorum, so we can start ... lets give tgall_foo a few minutes +20:03 * wltjr is here in a uncomfortable presence +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> well, done ... ok, lets start +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 1. Introductions does anyone not know us by now ? +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> moving swiftly on +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> 2. Actions From the Last Meeting +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Foundation Bylaws Status - wltjr care to summarise please ? +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ? +20:05 <@wltjr> I have nothing to say really, I agree with everything that was done at last meeting on the bylaws, but I was not present, kinda taking a back seat atm, because I am totally confused over Foundation purpose, membership, etc, but rest of the common stuff can be moved on I guess, which I think is where the last meeting left off, so no change +20:06 -!- ahf [i=ahf@exherbo/developer/ahf] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> The present trustees have looked over all the sections except 4 and 5 +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Next action * Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +20:07 <@wltjr> then I guess that's where we are at, I will participate and comment, but not looking to lead the effort wrt to the bylaws, never did but sorta became that way I think +20:07 <@fmccor> I thought we said that for now we'd let Sec 4 reflect the status quo? +20:07 <@tsunam> short answer, no real progress has been made on a bank. I've been unable to get enough free time during banking hours to make the calls neccessary +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, yeah I was of the opion you were leading +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, can anyone else help ? +20:08 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I don't mind per say, but didn't elect or ask for it, and I think many have opposition to me doing that, so would rather just be a part :) +20:08 <@wltjr> tsunam: I am happy to I was going to offer +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ok, well sort the details under AOB later +20:08 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: that's worth considering +20:08 <@wltjr> that's partly why I took no role, officer wise, so I could help out or fill in where needed :) +20:08 <@tsunam> basically what they needed was the EIN and a bit of other information +20:09 <@tsunam> so really not much +20:09 <@wltjr> we have all that and more, just need funds and to decide which bank, but likely only a few like chase, citi, etc, big ones +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, can you brief wltjr ? +20:09 <@tsunam> wltjr: citi was the best one I saw overall +20:09 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: it would mostly be coordinating initial deposit +20:09 <@tsunam> wltjr: and most informative and helpful +20:09 <@wltjr> tsunam: ok I have no quams there, they have a HUGE presence here :) +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, It sounds like you are up to speed already +20:09 <@wltjr> tsunam: > 5k and growing +20:10 <@tsunam> wltjr: only catchpa we have is if the check from netbank is still good +20:10 <@tsunam> which I need to just call grant as he's not responded to emails about it +20:10 <@wltjr> tsunam: sure, or will need to somehow arrange an initial deposit/check something from PayPal just to prime the account +20:10 <@tsunam> wltjr: aye +20:10 <@tsunam> that's the other way +20:10 <@wltjr> tsunam: then worse case instead of a check, we can do a wire transfer, account to account +20:11 <@tsunam> wltjr: *nods* +20:11 <@wltjr> tsunam: and from there, PayPal can be tied into bank account, and so on, rest is you :) +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> if the cheque is still good, grant an pay it in to his local branch +20:11 <@tsunam> wltjr: yeah +20:11 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: sure lots of options there +20:11 <@tsunam> it's been ~1year plus... +20:11 <@wltjr> only thing we have to do is prime the initial account to open it, and that would be like ~$100 or so +20:11 <@tsunam> not sure lifetime on checks +20:11 <@wltjr> depends if it's dated +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Its our end of FY on 30 June - will you have time for the book keeping for that ? +20:12 <@wltjr> if not dated, no expiration as long as funds are available +20:12 <@wltjr> so cash grandma's check today, not years from now, or you might mess the old gal up :) +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:12 <@fmccor> :) +20:12 <@tsunam> wltjr: recall netbank is cloed +20:13 <@tsunam> closed +20:13 <@tsunam> wltjr: the check should still be good with the new bank that took over the assets +20:13 <@wltjr> tsunam: sure but funds would likely be in some sort of trust or something, not sure there, but has to be some sort of rules, and availability +20:13 <@tsunam> but might need to get the check reissued +20:13 <@wltjr> if we lost the $ that would totally suck ass +20:13 <@tsunam> wltjr: its not gone +20:13 <@wltjr> but we can fight that battle another day, once we have a bank account +20:13 <@tsunam> wltjr: just in a different location +20:13 <@tsunam> *nods* +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, it won't be gone +20:13 <@wltjr> tsunam: we can have our bank help us there +20:13 <@tsunam> wltjr: aye +20:14 <@tsunam> anyways that's the status of the bank +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks tsunam +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> 3. Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees ... +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> 117837 Funding request: wildcard SSL cert ... robbat2 seems to be having fun with CACert ... we can close this action +20:15 <@tsunam> the CACert has been approved and is in place +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> 177966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities ... what was this about ? +20:16 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: robbat2 is working that, I don't think we should close or mess with, but we are done there I believe +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks. We just need to keep an eye on it if we can't reassign it +20:17 <@fmccor> 117837 was closed a month ago. +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date - this is a problem +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thanks +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> A gentoo store in the USA is like an ash tray on a moderbike if you are in Europe +20:18 <@fmccor> Ha. +20:18 <@tsunam> simple solution would be to just remove all cd/dvd's from the store +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Thats been done on the web page +20:19 * wltjr still likes the idea of having a third party agreement for sale and distribution of release media paying roylaties back to foundation +20:19 <@fmccor> I'm not sure we've ever sold any. +20:19 <@tsunam> cd's/dvds? +20:19 <@tsunam> yes we have +20:19 <@fmccor> wltjr, sounds good to me. +20:19 <@wltjr> could do that with T-Shirts and more, and it could be done regionally +20:19 <@tsunam> not many each release +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> What about appointing a store management committee. ? Coveing the USA and a few other countries ? +20:19 <@wltjr> sure there is $ loss of dollar coversion, but that's moot +20:20 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: to difficult, we just have some legal types draft up a policy and rules with % payback to foundation +20:20 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: that's an option and a good possibility of the community being able to help +20:20 <@wltjr> then if we need to, we sick pro bono council after them to enforce it or etc, but that shouldn't be much of an issue I think most would be pretty honest, it's not like they will be moving tons of product :) +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, my point is that the trustees won't fix it unaided +20:20 <@wltjr> and it could apply to more than just media +20:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: do it hands off +20:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: have a policy anyone can follow without asking +20:21 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: just have to make sure anyone selling is sending checks to foundation, or sick attorneys on them +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, that sounds good - as long as they know the policy exists +20:22 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: publish it on g.o +20:22 <@fmccor> We've already given approval to some developer in Russia to sell T shirts, I think. +20:22 <@wltjr> link to it from home page or etc +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, the proceeds won't pay for international attorneys +20:22 <@wltjr> fmccor: exactly +20:22 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I really don't see it coming to that much +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, you agree we need some help of some sort ? +20:23 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I don't see anyone selling Gentoo stuff to be making a ton of $ off it, and if they really want to be petty and not give back ~20% or some small amount to keep making what ever $ they are, then we can find other ways +20:23 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: not sure, I think the SFLC is international +20:23 <@fmccor> We're never going to get rich from the store(s); it's more a PR & good will thing, and you need the license to protect trademarks. +20:23 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we can use them at any time +20:24 <@wltjr> we just need to establish a relationship, heck the company in CA that did the trademark might do that stuff, they seem pretty damn big and all into software and the like +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, if we have a policy for 'anyone' to follow, nobody will - how will we make the store(s) happen ? +20:24 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we don't the community does :) +20:25 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: put another way, some might elect to sell and distribute our stuff anyway, and we would have to hunt down, find them, and deal just the same +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, you mean - create demand and the store just happens ? +20:25 <@fmccor> People who want one will ask. +20:25 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I am just saying put out a policy and see what happens +20:25 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: worse case in a year or so it totally fails we make a store or do something else +20:25 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: but we do have someone already doing that, and maybe others? not sure +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, ok, if it doesn't work, we can be a bit more proactive +20:26 <@wltjr> I am not sure if anyone followed up with dude in Russia or if store happened +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, care to summarise please ? +20:26 <@wltjr> I don't believe we have gotten any $ from it, bug again not sure he has either +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, it was pva and he went away to do something +20:27 <@fmccor> He's marked present here now --- could ask. +20:27 < pva> Heh, and while I'm here I can give you some status update :) +20:27 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we draft and have counsel review a general usage/sale policy for the G logo, t-shirts, mugs, etc, and release media, stipulating like 10-20% of net comes back to foundation based on $ amounts or something +20:27 < pva> I'm working currently on setting up noncomercial organisation for our russian gentoo community +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you pva +20:28 < pva> when I'll finish that (I still need to understand taxes) I'll be back to you ) +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, so who is going to do what, and by when ? +20:28 <@fmccor> No one understands taxes, so that will be like never? :) +20:29 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: well I can see about drafting some sort of policy up, but not sure if we should have someone who knows about that stuff do it, or just review it afterward +20:29 <@wltjr> we need to establish a relationship with some pro bono attorneys/counsel IMHO +20:29 <@wltjr> not sure if the SFLC does stuff like that, or some other firm +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, Don't we have some in CA ? +20:30 <@wltjr> considering we might want the same one to help enforce said policy :) +20:30 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes, but I think they only dealt with past trustees, so we need to contact them +20:30 < pva> BTW, I still have to read messages on nfp mailing list but I remember there was discussion about seal and I could be wrong but I've remembered that you were going to avoid it... +20:30 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: likely best done initially by a paper official presence, like you or fmccor, pres or vp +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> we need an introduction from past trustees then +20:31 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: yes, I think rl03 was going to intern there or something? +20:31 < pva> I just wanted to say that if you are going to open subdivision in Russia you'll be required to have it :) +20:31 <@fmccor> rl03 was the contact. +20:31 <@wltjr> for sure he is the contact +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, can you follow up on that ... we don't want to let the CA pro-bono thing we have lost interest +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> think* +20:32 <@wltjr> surely not, given their work on the trademark +20:32 <@fmccor> I'll chase Renat down. +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - this will be your topic next meeting +20:33 <@wltjr> fmccor: cool and once we are established with them, I can help out with discussions, draft etc on policy if need be, unless another wants to, or has time +20:33 <@fmccor> Thanks, I guess. +20:33 <@wltjr> er can make time, who has time :) +20:33 <@wltjr> I want to meet him +20:33 <@fmccor> Who? +20:33 <@wltjr> fmccor: anyone who has time :) +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> 224689 Legal fees to for Reinstatement +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> I know its paid but why is the bug restricted ? +20:34 <@tsunam> *shrugs* +20:34 <@fmccor> No idea. +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> In the interests of openness, lets open it :) +20:35 <@fmccor> Done. +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Trustees and Foundation Article For the GMN +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> some time ago I asked what everyone thought of ^^^ +20:36 <@fmccor> I have not seen a bill for the reinstatement blunder, so perhaps he's not charging for that. +20:36 <@wltjr> I can't do anything there, I have flaked to many times as is with helping out with GWN/GMN in any capacity, so will pass entirely +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, lets not ask +20:36 <@wltjr> fmccor: I thought it was all part of the one? that's why it was more than intially thought? +20:36 <@fmccor> Ask? I wasn't going to call him and ask if he forgot to bill us. +20:36 <@wltjr> :) +20:37 <@fmccor> wltjr, The overrun was partly my fault --- telephone calls mostly. +20:37 <@wltjr> if/when we leave him, I am sure he will let us know if we owe him anything, if we need anything from him in that process +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, The idea is a mugshot a para of bio, a para each on our own aims, and para looking back to 1st March and a jpint para looking forard +20:37 <@wltjr> fmccor: no worries, like I am short winded :) +20:37 * fmccor is not +20:38 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: oh that stuff, I try to be a background player, having effect, but not seen :) +20:38 <@fmccor> (short winded) +20:38 <@wltjr> my parents talk me to talk, but not stfu ;), gift of gab some would say :) +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, we could use a photo of your shadow :) +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^ +20:39 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: my middle finger is nice ;) but I can take a pic, need to take another, been a few years, I think one of the last ones was from LWE +20:39 <@tsunam> hmm +20:39 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: about which +20:39 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: no one would want to read about me :-P +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> GMN Trustee Special +20:39 <@tsunam> I'd do it but... +20:39 <@wltjr> I am not much on disclosing details on myself, other than random commenting, which I do occasionally permanently in email or etc, unless irc is being logged :) +20:40 <@tsunam> wltjr: many of us log irc =) +20:40 * tsunam has 2+ years of logs +20:40 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: but I can come up with something :) +20:40 <@wltjr> tsunam: well not publiclly +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Its good PR ... the community already knows our differences they don't know what we want to achieve together (we don't know that either) +20:40 <@wltjr> tsunam: I don't care about individuals, but put something in email, or like on a news letter ,it will prosper :) +20:40 <@fmccor> It's a way to show the community the trustees are real and the Foundation is alive. +20:41 <@wltjr> sure sure, I agree, and will cooperate/comply for sure in some capacity +20:41 * wltjr is short, has brown hair and is into Linux :) +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, Oh they know that from reading wltjr :) +20:41 <@fmccor> :) +20:41 <@wltjr> quiet I am not, if I am in a room or etc it will be known, little dude, big presence :) +20:41 <@fmccor> I think the most important part is the joint statement. +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm offering to write my section up first if you want a template +20:42 <@fmccor> Please. +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I agree about the joint statement - it will help us get our own thoughts together too +20:42 <@fmccor> wltjr, Hm, so am I (all of those). +20:43 <@wltjr> fmccor: maybe I am just an alias of you :) +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> 5. Should Trustees be Permitted to Serve on Council +20:43 <@wltjr> I don't think so, but I believe a few of you all are running, and I respect that +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Please discuss +20:44 <@tsunam> I don't think one should neccessarily exclude the other +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, is running, tsunam and I declined +20:44 <@wltjr> IMHO a officer, trustee, and council member should not be the same, and maybe not even rel's either, if that's controversial enough, I like separation and focus, with a variety of opinions +20:44 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I've declined 3 times...that's not a surprise +20:44 <@fmccor> It's already happened a couple times at least (wold31o2 & perhaps g2boojum). +20:44 <@tsunam> cshields as well I believe +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, my concern is that any conflicts of interests weaken both bodies +20:45 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: that's why you can abstain +20:45 <@tsunam> and still have a majority vote +20:45 <@wltjr> I respect both g2boojum and wolf3102 and their contributions to Gentoo, but I feel people can spread themselves to thin, and might unwilling limit their influence or effect in any one area +20:45 <@fmccor> I don't see where the conflict arises. I'm missing something. +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that weakens the decisions +20:45 <@tsunam> I disagree but +20:45 <@fmccor> For me, I think devrel is the bigger conflict. +20:45 <@wltjr> fmccor: not so much conflict, but focus and variety of opinion +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I don't have any examples right now +20:46 <@wltjr> how many normal organizations does someone have like 10 titles :) +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, bey they only have one job +20:46 <@fmccor> So it's potential. I see it the other way, it helps open the door to cooperation. +20:46 <@wltjr> right now I am not doing anything on amd64, and next to nothing on Java, not entirely because of trustees, but partly +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I see that too +20:46 <@wltjr> yeah but for example if someone is rel, council, and foundation, that's one opinion +20:47 <@wltjr> in 3 places :( +20:47 <@wltjr> or 4 +20:47 <@wltjr> so it's not so much conflict, it's limited points of view +20:47 <@tsunam> well another example. I'm Userrel, Devrel, and trustee +20:47 <@tsunam> currently +20:47 <@wltjr> and focus is not as narrow, so how well will any one be done +20:47 * fmccor is too. +20:47 <@wltjr> tsunam: sure, and for example don't have time for bank account stuff, which is totally fine, no worries there +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> To summarise then - its up to the individual, if they think they have the time, fine +20:48 <@wltjr> but we all have real lives, jobs/businesses, etc, how much time can one give to Gentoo +20:48 <@tsunam> wltjr: more so due to work commitments currently :( +20:48 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I am not sure we should leave everything up to people +20:48 <@wltjr> we need fail safes at high levels IMHO +20:48 <@wltjr> put someone in rel, council, foundation, etc and they are MIA, that's a big impact +20:48 -!- pva [n=pva@gentoo/developer/pva] has left #gentoo-trustees ["Lost Carrier... Don't worry, I'll find it later."] +20:48 <@wltjr> look at the loss of things like Jakub, what if we lost vapier, or others +20:48 <@wltjr> wolf3102, no releases, etc +20:49 <@fmccor> I proposed a policy a while ago to the effect that devrel members should not be on council --- it died stillborn. +20:49 <@wltjr> so no variety of opinions, no narrow focus, big liablility, I don't see the benefit +20:50 <@wltjr> what's to stop someone from being council this year, trustee next, rel another +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think we can set a policy here - we need to discuss it with the new council, sinceit would work both ways +20:50 <@wltjr> why all at once? is that fair to others? +20:50 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I agree +20:50 <@fmccor> I do too. +20:50 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: IMHO I think we need to make an effort to get a voting project setup +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, maybe thats your conflict of interest (if you are elected) +20:50 <@wltjr> so we can not only discuss with the council, but put forth controversial votes on a more regular basis +20:50 <@wltjr> other than just elections +20:51 <@fmccor> Yes, I mentioned that I thought devrel was more likely to be a conflict. +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, hehe :) +20:51 <@fmccor> wltjr, I think that's happening? jmbsvicetto or rane would know. +20:51 <@wltjr> I do respect all of those who have and do hold multiple positions, and my comments are not a reflection on them or their efforts, some what an observance, but surely meant respectfully +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, lets park that one until we have a new council +20:52 <@wltjr> fmccor: yeah but I hope willingly, I kinda talked them into foundation election, and I am happy to see they are doing it with council as well +20:52 <@fmccor> They want to set up the project. +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, I wanted to discuss it before it happened to me - but I declined my nomination +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> 6. Any other business +20:53 <@fmccor> Well, the chances of my being elect are right around 0, so I don't see it as a problem. :) +20:53 <@wltjr> fmccor: well given those that are running I might even vote for you :) even against my thoughts +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, wait until the votes are counted :) +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> 6. Any other business +20:54 <@fmccor> I'm not all that popular with current council. :) +20:54 <@wltjr> but if foundation and council do controversial stuff and same people are on each, will look more like a coup d'etat +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Will you have time to do the end of FY stuff and present a treasuers report to the next meeting ? +20:55 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: yep +20:55 <@fmccor> wltjr, Hadn't thought of that. Yes, that could be a problem. +20:55 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I'll have caught up on the reports +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll put that on Julys Agenda +20:55 * fmccor wonders why we run July -- June. +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> thats all I had, tsunam anything ? +20:56 <@wltjr> fmccor: summer time, no school/college :) +20:56 * fmccor is well beyond that worry. +20:56 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: did we approve the repayment for the reinstatement +20:56 <@tsunam> I didn't see a yes no vote on it +20:56 <@wltjr> fmccor: it was a joke, meaing young dev base :) +20:56 <@tsunam> fmccor: I hear you on that one +20:56 <@fmccor> I think we did. +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> You want a vote now ? +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> just for the recrod +20:57 <@tsunam> well we've voted on others +20:57 <@wltjr> do we really need to vote, who will oppose that? +20:57 <@tsunam> lol +20:57 <@fmccor> I think we voted on it once? +20:57 <@tsunam> no one but +20:57 <@tsunam> it is paying a trustee back so +20:57 <@wltjr> it's a foundation necessity, and not an electable bill, we voted to retain Mr. Chew I believe, so any bills are implied to be paid +20:57 <@wltjr> what's our policy there :) what do bylaws say? +20:58 <@tsunam> I'd hope "get me my money" :-P +20:58 <@wltjr> vote to approve reimbursement requests +20:58 <@fmccor> Second. +20:58 <@wltjr> I think that would depend on if the action was voted upon or not? +20:58 <@wltjr> if action voted upon, no need to vote, if not voted on, then maybe vote depending on amount, but if small enough amount, IMHO treasurer should be able to decide +20:59 <@fmccor> Things like reimbursement are legal obligations, no matter how we vote I think. +20:59 * NeddySeagoon proposes a motion that tsunam be reimbursed in full for recent out of pocket expenses concerning the Gentoo Foundation reinstaement +20:59 <@tsunam> would still like a vote in this case +20:59 <@wltjr> fmccor: sorry, that was a statement :) more than something put forth to the floor +20:59 <@tsunam> as it is to me +20:59 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: second +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +20:59 <@wltjr> yeah +20:59 <@fmccor> Yes. +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ? you want to vote no ? +20:59 <@tsunam> majority yes, so it passes. I'll take care of sending myself money +21:00 <@tsunam> I'll vote yes +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried +21:00 * wltjr should have said no :) just to be a prick :) +21:00 <@tsunam> wltjr: wouldn't of put it past you :-P +21:00 <@wltjr> tsunam: if you really want a vote, chance is one could say no ;) +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, anything else for AOB ? +21:00 <@fmccor> It's still a legal obligation. :) +21:01 <@fmccor> Not from me on AOB. +21:01 <@wltjr> fmccor: what voting? I think only for things we stipluate to ourselves, but who would legally enforce it ;) +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> wltjr, AOB from you ? +21:01 <@wltjr> fmccor: or even call us out on it +21:01 <@tsunam> not that I'm aware of +21:01 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: no, other than private business, shower, etc :) +21:01 <@fmccor> wltjr, No, paying our debts. +21:02 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: did you want to set a time for another bylaws meeting, a final one for the last sections or what? +21:02 <@wltjr> fmccor: well many people seem to find ways out of that these days, so I am sure the foundation could as well :) +21:02 <@fmccor> Yeah, Let's close the books on that, so to speak. +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah thabk you wltjr - What about 1900UTC on Sunday ? +21:02 <@fmccor> Sunday next? +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> 29 June +21:03 <@fmccor> Fine with me. +21:03 <@wltjr> yeah, might as well bite the bullet, weekend after is 4th +21:03 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: our independence day :) +21:03 <@fmccor> Just not 6 July, please (end of a holiday weekend). +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> whats special about 4th ? +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> :) +21:03 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we became a country, we all party +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> you bit :) +21:03 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: we split from UK :) +21:04 <@fmccor> Worship the president, ... +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> 7. Open floor +21:04 <@wltjr> practice pyroism +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more from anyone ? +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> An Date of Next Meeting - 13 July on my calander ... is that right +21:05 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: I am not sure we will get large attendences on weekends +21:05 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: might be something to discuss next meeting, other possible times +21:05 <@fmccor> No, this time is terrible. It was the only time we were all available. +21:05 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: but once we are back to 1 meeting per month might be moot +21:06 * wltjr hears the beach calling about this time on the weekends :) and weekdays as well, hookie time :) +21:06 <@fmccor> Lucky wltjr. +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> So, 13 July 1900UTC for next monthly meeting (we delayed a week this month for Fathers daty) +21:06 <@wltjr> fmccor: choice, I make a bit less than living else where, but wanted the life style, it's what I grew up with, $ will be there eventually +21:07 -!- ahf [i=ahf@exherbo/developer/ahf] has left #gentoo-trustees ["boring"] +21:07 <@wltjr> need to make some more before I can move to beach if I decide to, it's about ~20 minutes away atm, still not bad +21:07 <@fmccor> There's a vote of confidence. +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, in what ? +21:08 <@fmccor> The "has left" message. :) +21:08 * wltjr ignores those +21:08 <@wltjr> one of the nice features of irssi, which I am still a total newb to +21:08 <@fmccor> I was making a joke. Not a good one, I guess. +21:09 <@wltjr> fmccor: that or combined IQ is to low :) +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Are we done then ? +21:09 <@fmccor> Seems so. +21:09 <@tsunam> k +21:09 <@tsunam> have a good afternoon +21:09 <@wltjr> NeddySeagoon: seems so, no one else has anything to say really, and conv has turned to chatter +21:10 <@wltjr> yep, same here, have a good one, I am off to smell better +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Sun 29 June for bylaws 13 Jul next meeting both 1900 +21:10 <@fmccor> Will tgall_foo do the minutes? Should be able to from the log. +21:10 <@wltjr> fmccor: can give him a bit, and if not, one of us can +21:10 <@fmccor> Er, summary. +21:10 <@fmccor> OK. diff --git a/2008/november08.txt b/2008/november08.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6b31a53 --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/november08.txt @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@ +(11/16/2008 01:00:01 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order. +(11/16/2008 01:00:13 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair represents dmwaters as proxy via phone +(11/16/2008 01:00:22 PM) ***fmccor is here +(11/16/2008 01:00:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks +(11/16/2008 01:00:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, ?? +(11/16/2008 01:00:46 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, She's a neat person. You'll enjoy the conversation. +(11/16/2008 01:00:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, can you call tsunam please +(11/16/2008 01:01:04 PM) fmccor: Hold on, yes. +(11/16/2008 01:01:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: 1. Introductions - none needed +(11/16/2008 01:01:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: 2. Actions From the Last Meeting +(11/16/2008 01:03:15 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, No answer --- I left a voice mail. He hasn't been around much, perhaps away on business or pleasure. +(11/16/2008 01:03:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok, we are quarate ... so we can continue +(11/16/2008 01:04:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam ... skipped but there has been some snail mail regarding or EIN +(11/16/2008 01:04:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats all I know +(11/16/2008 01:04:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: Certified Public Accountant - quantumsummers update please +(11/16/2008 01:04:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes, so I have 2 candidates +(11/16/2008 01:05:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: one local & is the one I mentioned earlier +(11/16/2008 01:05:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: both pro bono ? +(11/16/2008 01:05:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: to free services we need to banking info +(11/16/2008 01:05:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: to get free services +(11/16/2008 01:05:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, did you get that from grant or tsunam ? +(11/16/2008 01:06:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: but either way its cheap to get the taxes done +(11/16/2008 01:06:11 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is typing & talking +(11/16/2008 01:07:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have been waiting on bank statements & paypal info. +(11/16/2008 01:07:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok - poke tsunam ... +(11/16/2008 01:07:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: Can you add anything more without the finacials ? +(11/16/2008 01:07:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I was unsuccessful talking to ING, regarding netbank. +(11/16/2008 01:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Hmm ok ... try grant for old paperwork but the statements may have been online :( +(11/16/2008 01:08:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Deedra needs to know how much $ Gentoo has at this moment +(11/16/2008 01:09:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have no access to any online statements +(11/16/2008 01:09:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: Deedra please take that up with tsunam +(11/16/2008 01:10:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, that will be down to grant and/or tsunam +(11/16/2008 01:10:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(11/16/2008 01:10:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: Moving on ... +(11/16/2008 01:10:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will email +(11/16/2008 01:10:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: International Licencing For Gentoo Merchandise - fmccor +(11/16/2008 01:11:04 PM) fmccor: We know what's going on with e.V., and are awaiting a response from them in January. +(11/16/2008 01:11:21 PM) fmccor: Right now they hold the trademark in Europe. +(11/16/2008 01:11:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yep ... what about our international trademark lawyers ? +(11/16/2008 01:11:59 PM) fmccor: As for elsewhere, we'd work with whoever wants the agreement and with our lawyers to put something together. +(11/16/2008 01:12:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: On a case by case basis ? +(11/16/2008 01:12:16 PM) fmccor: Nothing for them to do until we need something. +(11/16/2008 01:12:33 PM) fmccor: Has to be case by case, because laws are different everywhere. +(11/16/2008 01:12:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok ... next +(11/16/2008 01:12:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: Send friendly cease and desist emails to copyright infringers spotted on cafepress - quantumsummers +(11/16/2008 01:13:15 PM) fmccor: The general outline will be the same everywhere, but every place will have its own peculiarities. +(11/16/2008 01:13:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I am working on this. Sorry for slacking, but I will send this out on Monday & return with a full report. +(11/16/2008 01:13:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(11/16/2008 01:13:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: My appoogies +(11/16/2008 01:14:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: arg +(11/16/2008 01:14:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: apologies +(11/16/2008 01:14:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats why we have these meetings, partly. To chase slackers :) +(11/16/2008 01:14:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: Propose wording to open Foundation Membership - update bylaws tracker bug -fmccor I think this is completed and embodied in the new draft ? +(11/16/2008 01:15:28 PM) fmccor: It's fine with me. My only comment at this point was a typo in 4.4 +(11/16/2008 01:15:39 PM) fmccor: "there" --> "their" +(11/16/2008 01:16:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters is fine +(11/16/2008 01:16:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: with the proposed changes +(11/16/2008 01:16:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok, do in need to fix it prior to Agenda item 3 ? +(11/16/2008 01:16:33 PM) fmccor: ? +(11/16/2008 01:17:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: the bylaws ... we can adopt them with that one change outstanding ... agenda item 3. +(11/16/2008 01:17:37 PM) tsunam: bah..wasn't it suppossed to be at 12 again today? +(11/16/2008 01:17:38 PM) fmccor: Sure. +(11/16/2008 01:17:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: Clarify Trustee/Officer roles to enable a Trustee/Officer role split - update bylaws tracker bug -fmccor Is that complete too ? +(11/16/2008 01:18:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, your hour changed on Nov 2nd +(11/16/2008 01:18:14 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: right, but I thought we were keeping it at 12 *shrugs* +(11/16/2008 01:18:16 PM) tsunam: apparently not +(11/16/2008 01:18:22 PM) fmccor: I think it was always complete --- no change is needed to split trustee/officer role. +(11/16/2008 01:18:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its 19:00 UTC whenever that is +(11/16/2008 01:18:45 PM) tsunam: hehe +(11/16/2008 01:18:55 PM) fmccor: The bylaws assume a split and explain what happens when there isn't one. +(11/16/2008 01:19:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok +(11/16/2008 01:19:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: next .. +(11/16/2008 01:19:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: Working with Gentoo e.V. - fmccor +(11/16/2008 01:19:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hi tsunam +(11/16/2008 01:20:00 PM) fmccor: We have proposed this to them and suggested a couple possibilities, their response asks us pleas to wait to see what happens at their Jan meeting. +(11/16/2008 01:20:10 PM) tsunam: k +(11/16/2008 01:20:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: thank you +(11/16/2008 01:20:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets go back to banking +(11/16/2008 01:20:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +(11/16/2008 01:21:05 PM) tsunam: need to resubmit stuff for the bank, need to call the government to see if they've finally updated the address so I can get the ein number document so we have it +(11/16/2008 01:21:13 PM) tsunam: when I checked about 2-3 weeks ago they hadn't +(11/16/2008 01:21:24 PM) tsunam: and that was a month or so after I'd submitted the change request +(11/16/2008 01:21:49 PM) tsunam: however.. +(11/16/2008 01:21:54 PM) tsunam: http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/funds.xml <---there's been updates +(11/16/2008 01:22:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: I guess the government is busy with elections and banking crisis :) +(11/16/2008 01:22:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: excellent tsunam, thank you +(11/16/2008 01:22:33 PM) tsunam: apparently! +(11/16/2008 01:22:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, thanks - thats progress +(11/16/2008 01:22:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tsunam: 404 Error Message: Page Not Found +(11/16/2008 01:22:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/2007q1.xml +(11/16/2008 01:22:58 PM) tsunam: course I need to fix a few it appears! +(11/16/2008 01:23:06 PM) tsunam: 2006 works at least *laughs* +(11/16/2008 01:23:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: is there a rough draft available? +(11/16/2008 01:24:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Ending balance for Q4-2007 ? +(11/16/2008 01:24:28 PM) tsunam: quantumsummers: not currently +(11/16/2008 01:24:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(11/16/2008 01:24:50 PM) tsunam: I wil need to do the 3 quarters in 2008 as well +(11/16/2008 01:24:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, do you have a completion date for getting that page up to date ? +(11/16/2008 01:24:57 PM) tsunam: and add 2007/2008 contributors +(11/16/2008 01:25:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tsunam: dmwaters (via proxy) wants to know what our balance is currently +(11/16/2008 01:25:18 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: hopefully next week. I need to get last quarters 3 months +(11/16/2008 01:25:24 PM) tsunam: excluding banking +(11/16/2008 01:25:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, soounds good +(11/16/2008 01:25:28 PM) tsunam: which is a check +(11/16/2008 01:25:39 PM) tsunam: *looks* +(11/16/2008 01:25:54 PM) tsunam: assuming firefox doesn't crash +(11/16/2008 01:26:17 PM) tsunam: hmm +(11/16/2008 01:26:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters would like the balance to better inform her voting +(11/16/2008 01:26:49 PM) tsunam: *grumbles at paypal* +(11/16/2008 01:27:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets move on while paypal thinks ... +(11/16/2008 01:28:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: 3. Consider and approve (if thought fit) revised bylaws +(11/16/2008 01:28:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: The bylaws have been updated in line with the tracker bug ... apart from a typo. +(11/16/2008 01:28:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor It's fine with me. My only comment at this point was a typo in 4.4 +(11/16/2008 01:29:39 PM) tsunam: just shy of 20k +(11/16/2008 01:29:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Do we need to discuss or is there a motion to adopt the revised bylaws ? +(11/16/2008 01:29:43 PM) fmccor: "Their" is spelled "there" +(11/16/2008 01:29:49 PM) fmccor: So moved +(11/16/2008 01:30:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: Is there a seconder ? +(11/16/2008 01:30:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters seconds +(11/16/2008 01:30:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: thank you ... +(11/16/2008 01:30:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: Now to the vote ... +(11/16/2008 01:31:00 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(11/16/2008 01:31:07 PM) tsunam: yes +(11/16/2008 01:31:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters: in favor +(11/16/2008 01:31:18 PM) ***NeddySeagoon yes +(11/16/2008 01:31:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: unanimous +(11/16/2008 01:31:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried unamaously (sp) +(11/16/2008 01:32:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: We need to notify members ... +(11/16/2008 01:32:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: shall I draft an email? +(11/16/2008 01:32:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, yes please +(11/16/2008 01:32:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: linking to the new bylaws & this meeting +(11/16/2008 01:32:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: include the GMN too +(11/16/2008 01:33:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: very well +(11/16/2008 01:33:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: 4. Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +(11/16/2008 01:33:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: 177966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities ... I've closed that with a comment pointing to the bylaws +(11/16/2008 01:34:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date - musikc +(11/16/2008 01:34:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, is musikc around ? +(11/16/2008 01:34:31 PM) tsunam: not sure if she's around right now +(11/16/2008 01:34:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its about a month since I've seen her on IRC +(11/16/2008 01:35:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: this should likely be closed, as musikc updated the store +(11/16/2008 01:35:18 PM) tsunam: tsunam * gentoo/xml/htdocs/foundation/en/ (2007q1.xml 2007q2.xml 2007q3.xml 2007q4.xml): its good to actually cvs add them +(11/16/2008 01:35:20 PM) fmccor: I spoke with her a couple weeks ago briefly. +(11/16/2008 01:35:24 PM) tsunam: ^^^ should be fixed in ~ hour +(11/16/2008 01:35:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: musikc, has done some short term fixes ... she was working on long term maintainance +(11/16/2008 01:36:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: 236863 Bylaws Tracker Bug ... I guess we should close that and start a new one +(11/16/2008 01:37:52 PM) fmccor: Or just note on it that there's nothing outstanding as of the date of the comment. +(11/16/2008 01:37:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters agrees with closing the existing bug & open new, tracking the newly approved bylaws +(11/16/2008 01:38:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: I've closed it +(11/16/2008 01:38:08 PM) fmccor: :) +(11/16/2008 01:38:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, 56711 Retire: Renat Lumpau (rl03) I thought you were in discussions with rl03 ? +(11/16/2008 01:39:33 PM) fmccor: I haven't spoken with him at all recently. I'd close this one and let nature take its course. +fmccor fmccor|away +(11/16/2008 01:40:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters agrees with fmccor +(11/16/2008 01:40:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, give it one more try then post a comment on the bug please +(11/16/2008 01:40:11 PM) fmccor: If I was supposed to be contacting him, I flat out forgot about it. +(11/16/2008 01:40:19 PM) fmccor: Will do. +(11/16/2008 01:40:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ahha +(11/16/2008 01:40:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: 245227 Replacement Drive for Osprey ... blanket limit for repairs +(11/16/2008 01:41:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: We should set a $ limit for infra repairs so we don't have to vote on this sort of stuff +(11/16/2008 01:42:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: $X/month? +(11/16/2008 01:42:13 PM) tsunam: well I'd like to know the total number of servers we own and their age +(11/16/2008 01:42:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: either per repair or an annual repair budget +(11/16/2008 01:42:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I would too +(11/16/2008 01:42:23 PM) tsunam: to make an informed decision about that +(11/16/2008 01:42:38 PM) tsunam: the older the boxes the more there needs to be in the repair budget +(11/16/2008 01:42:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can write a little asset tracker app for this +(11/16/2008 01:42:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, or replaced. +(11/16/2008 01:42:51 PM) tsunam: and if we own say 2 boxes...shouldn't need that much annually +(11/16/2008 01:43:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters is aware of some rather old machines +(11/16/2008 01:43:12 PM) fmccor: robbat2 can provide that. +(11/16/2008 01:43:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: We should need to vote funds for replacement but not always for repairs +(11/16/2008 01:43:24 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: aye..but that's a seperate issue for budget +(11/16/2008 01:43:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, agreed +(11/16/2008 01:43:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: appears that a reasonable monthly $ amount is necessary for repairs +(11/16/2008 01:44:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: anyway, the issue right now is Osprey ... the bug has two approving trustees ... we need one more +(11/16/2008 01:44:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: longer term, this process needs to be slicker +(11/16/2008 01:44:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters likes voting on replacement of machines (i.e. large expenses), but prefers no vote for small repairs +(11/16/2008 01:45:18 PM) tsunam: it has mine +(11/16/2008 01:45:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters votes yes +(11/16/2008 01:45:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: unanimous +(11/16/2008 01:46:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can buy the drive and send it to OUSL or robbat can and be reimbursed. +(11/16/2008 01:46:11 PM) fmccor: Probably easiest to "Paypal" the $48 or whatever it is to ramereth +(11/16/2008 01:46:19 PM) tsunam: sadly not right now +(11/16/2008 01:46:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok +(11/16/2008 01:46:29 PM) tsunam: no ability to paypal from one paypal account to another +(11/16/2008 01:46:42 PM) tsunam: that's related to the lack of an active bank account +(11/16/2008 01:46:48 PM) tsunam: best I could do is mail a check +(11/16/2008 01:46:48 PM) fmccor: Oh. +(11/16/2008 01:46:53 PM) tsunam: via paypal =/ +(11/16/2008 01:47:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe .. that would be a personal cheque from you though ? +(11/16/2008 01:47:24 PM) tsunam: nope +(11/16/2008 01:47:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: are you certain you can send a check via paypal? +(11/16/2008 01:47:36 PM) tsunam: *nods* +(11/16/2008 01:47:51 PM) fmccor: That works. As long as they know that's happening, I'd think that between them they could get the drive. +(11/16/2008 01:47:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, discuss it with ramereth please +(11/16/2008 01:47:59 PM) tsunam: i had just looked there's a 500 dollar limit currently per month +(11/16/2008 01:48:07 PM) tsunam: will do +(11/16/2008 01:48:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: longer term what do we need ? +(11/16/2008 01:48:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: Info to set a budget I suppose ? +(11/16/2008 01:48:39 PM) tsunam: yep +(11/16/2008 01:48:42 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(11/16/2008 01:49:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, can you write up what info you need and email it to trustees@ and infras alias please +(11/16/2008 01:49:26 PM) tsunam: sure +(11/16/2008 01:49:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: tanks +(11/16/2008 01:49:36 PM) tsunam: as far as a budget or ? +(11/16/2008 01:50:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: Information ... if you want infra to suggest a number, theres no harm in that but we don't have to agree it +(11/16/2008 01:50:19 PM) tsunam: k +(11/16/2008 01:50:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters thinks $200 is appropriate for a blanket amount to be used emergency repairs +(11/16/2008 01:50:37 PM) tsunam: that'd cover a hard drive or two +(11/16/2008 01:50:45 PM) tsunam: but wouldn't likely cover a raid controller for instance +(11/16/2008 01:50:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2 has some ideas too but hes marked |na just now +(11/16/2008 01:50:54 PM) tsunam: its a tough thing to come up with :-P +(11/16/2008 01:51:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok ... next +(11/16/2008 01:51:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 +(11/16/2008 01:51:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: just a sec +(11/16/2008 01:52:14 PM) tsunam: I hadn't quite got to the point as I've not gotten the last 2 quarters of the 2008 fy done +(11/16/2008 01:52:17 PM) tsunam: just the first half +(11/16/2008 01:52:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters would like approval on any expenditure over $200 due to current income expectations. acceptance done via email by majority of trustees +(11/16/2008 01:52:28 PM) tsunam: I got tied up far too long with work this month :( +(11/16/2008 01:52:42 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Sounds reasonable +(11/16/2008 01:52:50 PM) tsunam: dmwaters is aware what our current income per quarter is correct? +(11/16/2008 01:53:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: wellm it appears to be ~1K/month in 2006 +(11/16/2008 01:53:18 PM) tsunam: or at least historically been +(11/16/2008 01:53:28 PM) tsunam: 1-2k is approximately correct +(11/16/2008 01:54:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters stands by here earlier statement regarding a $200 limit +(11/16/2008 01:54:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: *her +(11/16/2008 01:55:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters idea is noted we will take it into account when we formulate budgets. The $200 limit could be applied in other areas too, its just infra brought the topic up +(11/16/2008 01:55:27 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, I think robbat2 was OK with that for things other than major acquisitions. +(11/16/2008 01:55:50 PM) ***NeddySeagoon doesn't wok well in $ +(11/16/2008 01:55:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: work* +(11/16/2008 01:55:59 PM) fmccor: That would be a capital budget rather than expense budget. +(11/16/2008 01:56:28 PM) fmccor: RIght now, 1 Euro is about $1.25 or $1.30 +(11/16/2008 01:56:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I don't do Euros either :) +(11/16/2008 01:57:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: moving on +(11/16/2008 01:57:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: 6. Foundation Knowledge Management Needs +(11/16/2008 01:57:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, this was yours ... +(11/16/2008 01:58:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I did post the initial spec to the mailing list +(11/16/2008 01:58:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: work is on-going +(11/16/2008 01:58:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: any update ? +(11/16/2008 01:58:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have a membership app, I have a form to collect & tag any file +(11/16/2008 01:59:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, just in time for the stampeed to join our Foundation +(11/16/2008 01:59:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: working on parsing emails +(11/16/2008 01:59:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: natural language processing is a lifes work +(11/16/2008 02:00:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: heh, just tagging some things +(11/16/2008 02:00:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: Moving on .. +(11/16/2008 02:00:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: 7. Actions From Previous Meetings on hold for one or more actions above ... +(11/16/2008 02:00:57 PM) fmccor: $1.00 = £0.669 +(11/16/2008 02:01:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: can we use paypal to sent the $200 for IP fees? +(11/16/2008 02:01:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Licencing For emtom.cz and Licencing For Projektfarm GmbH thats really for the eV just now. Lets keep that on hold until Jan 2009 +(11/16/2008 02:02:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, ^^ +(11/16/2008 02:02:32 PM) tsunam: hmm +(11/16/2008 02:02:44 PM) tsunam: which ip fee's? +(11/16/2008 02:02:50 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, That is not a critical item, but should be done. +(11/16/2008 02:02:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fix name and address on IPR/trademark documents, 31 Aug 2008 meeting authorised the $200 fees (needs a bank) +(11/16/2008 02:03:00 PM) fmccor: We own two trademarks in the US. +(11/16/2008 02:03:02 PM) tsunam: ah +(11/16/2008 02:03:05 PM) tsunam: yes +(11/16/2008 02:03:11 PM) fmccor: Need to fix the address at some point. +(11/16/2008 02:03:18 PM) tsunam: I can certainly send it via check, just need an address +(11/16/2008 02:03:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: may as well get it moving ... +(11/16/2008 02:03:52 PM) tsunam: btw quarterly reports for 2007 are up now +(11/16/2008 02:04:01 PM) fmccor: tsunam, Bug me for it tomorrow. I need to coordinate with the lawyer before sending money. +(11/16/2008 02:04:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(11/16/2008 02:04:14 PM) tsunam: fmccor: sure +(11/16/2008 02:04:27 PM) tsunam: fmccor: if I remember, I suspect tomorrow at work will be a bit crazy +(11/16/2008 02:04:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: 8. Any other business +(11/16/2008 02:04:47 PM) fmccor: tsunam, Actually, she's a neighbor of yours, I think. You could just drop in. :) +(11/16/2008 02:04:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters ? +(11/16/2008 02:05:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: none for dmwaters +(11/16/2008 02:05:11 PM) tsunam: fmccor: probably +(11/16/2008 02:05:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, AoB ? +(11/16/2008 02:05:19 PM) tsunam: none +(11/16/2008 02:05:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ? +(11/16/2008 02:05:29 PM) fmccor: None +(11/16/2008 02:05:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have a few things ... +(11/16/2008 02:05:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: DoNM ... +(11/16/2008 02:06:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: 14 December 1900 UTC +(11/16/2008 02:06:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: and setting a recording date. +(11/16/2008 02:06:49 PM) tsunam: fine by me +(11/16/2008 02:07:03 PM) fmccor: Should work for me. +(11/16/2008 02:08:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwatters is uncertain of her availability +(11/16/2008 02:08:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats the due date .. we'll go with it +(11/16/2008 02:08:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: and ... +(11/16/2008 02:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Earliest date for new bylaws 2 Dec 2008 +(11/16/2008 02:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Trustee Election Nominations open 1 Feb 2009 +(11/16/2008 02:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Trustee Voting opens 1 Mar 2009 +(11/16/2008 02:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: New Trustees take office End Mar 2009 +(11/16/2008 02:09:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: we have to give 15 days notice to our members - the new bylaws come into effect on 2 Dec +(11/16/2008 02:09:47 PM) tsunam: k +(11/16/2008 02:10:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: We could accept but not process applications for membership before that time +(11/16/2008 02:10:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters is amenable +(11/16/2008 02:10:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: To allow nominations to open on 1 Feb, we need a recording date a few weeks beforehand +(11/16/2008 02:11:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: say early jan +(11/16/2008 02:11:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: The 11 Jan 09 is our january meeting, so I'm proposing that. +(11/16/2008 02:12:15 PM) fmccor: Good with me. +(11/16/2008 02:12:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters is happy with that +(11/16/2008 02:12:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: Anyone who becomes a member after 11 Jan, does not get to stand or vote in the 2009 election +(11/16/2008 02:13:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters: ok +(11/16/2008 02:13:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: We will have a new standing agenda item ... membership applications +(11/16/2008 02:13:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, anything ? +(11/16/2008 02:13:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: would you like me to create the form? +(11/16/2008 02:14:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, we need to be sure we gather all the required information, so yes please. +(11/16/2008 02:14:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: leave a pile of forms by the dev lounge coffee machine too :) +(11/16/2008 02:14:56 PM) fmccor: For developers, do we need more than an email? +(11/16/2008 02:15:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I will make a draft & post to trustees@ +(11/16/2008 02:15:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, probably. we need gpg key too ... its all in the bylaws +(11/16/2008 02:16:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes key is needed +(11/16/2008 02:16:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: to sign votes, etc +(11/16/2008 02:16:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, you need to get the bylaws announcement out today/tomorrow. The 15 days counts from the announce +(11/16/2008 02:16:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Ok, I can do it later today +(11/16/2008 02:17:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto, had some concerns about voting but hes not around +(11/16/2008 02:18:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: any more for any more ... or its Open Floor +(11/16/2008 02:18:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: not here +(11/16/2008 02:18:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: 9. Open floor +(11/16/2008 02:19:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: any business? +(11/16/2008 02:19:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: I think we are done ... +(11/16/2008 02:20:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Meeting closed, thanks everyone diff --git a/2008/october08.txt b/2008/october08.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..86923d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/october08.txt @@ -0,0 +1,455 @@ +(10/19/2008 02:00:01 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +(10/19/2008 02:00:18 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is present +(10/19/2008 02:00:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters isn't here ... we need tsunam +(10/19/2008 02:01:09 PM) fmccor: Let me try to call him. +(10/19/2008 02:01:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(10/19/2008 02:02:09 PM) ***NeddySeagoon muses about schrodingers' fmccor being both here and away at the same time +(10/19/2008 02:02:31 PM) fmccor: He's on his way. +(10/19/2008 02:02:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(10/19/2008 02:02:50 PM) tsunam: yep i'm here +(10/19/2008 02:02:55 PM) fmccor: :) +(10/19/2008 02:03:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fine - we have a quorum +(10/19/2008 02:03:13 PM) fmccor: I hope Deedra's OK. +(10/19/2008 02:03:27 PM) fmccor: (Well, she's sick) +(10/19/2008 02:03:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: here note didn't say much ... +(10/19/2008 02:03:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: Skip Introductions. +(10/19/2008 02:03:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 2 Actions From the Last Meeting +(10/19/2008 02:03:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam ? +(10/19/2008 02:05:06 PM) tsunam: ferris and I signed a document for the bank. What was told to us was different then what was required. So we will need to resubmit and the woman who's actually dealing with it will need to EIN certificate as well. I'll call the irs next week and see if the registered address has changed yet and if so get them to send that out +(10/19/2008 02:05:22 PM) tsunam: basically the corp needs to be first and then ferris and I are cosigners +(10/19/2008 02:05:36 PM) tsunam: very minor technical difference but we'll have to resubmit that document +(10/19/2008 02:05:56 PM) tsunam: fmccor: and yes I did get the paper copy from you. sorry I forgot to mention that +(10/19/2008 02:06:08 PM) fmccor: I figured you did. +(10/19/2008 02:06:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: things are moving in the right direction. any eta for the IRS doing its thing ? +(10/19/2008 02:06:32 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: its the government I hope on updating the address..they'd be quick +(10/19/2008 02:06:38 PM) tsunam: I've given them ~2 weeks so far +(10/19/2008 02:06:45 PM) tsunam: so I hope its been updated and I can get that informaiton +(10/19/2008 02:06:56 PM) tsunam: so we can get it to the bank and get an account finally +(10/19/2008 02:06:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, you have more faith in your government than I do in mine +(10/19/2008 02:07:20 PM) fmccor: Our government is paralyzed right now. +(10/19/2008 02:07:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, is it worth approaching grant for the cheque now that things are moving ? +(10/19/2008 02:07:41 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: I think it might +(10/19/2008 02:07:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, Oh yeah, election year +(10/19/2008 02:08:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, then we might have the cheque when the paperwork is in order +(10/19/2008 02:08:20 PM) fmccor: And our president has quit about 3 months early. +(10/19/2008 02:08:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, Oh, I missed that +(10/19/2008 02:08:56 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I mean metaphorically --- he's quit doing anything much at all. +(10/19/2008 02:08:58 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: we also have a check coming eventially from google as well +(10/19/2008 02:09:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep, so there will be funds to deposit when we are ready +(10/19/2008 02:09:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets move on +(10/19/2008 02:09:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fix name and address on IPR/trademark documents, 31 Aug 2008 meeting authorised the $200 fees (needs a bank) +(10/19/2008 02:09:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats on hold +(10/19/2008 02:10:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: Trustees and Foundation Article For the GMN - (On hold while we are under strenght) ... I was supposed to do something with that and I haven't :( sorry +(10/19/2008 02:10:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: .the google check id for gsoc? +(10/19/2008 02:10:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: *is +(10/19/2008 02:10:40 PM) fmccor: It's probably only $100 (I think we have 1 trademark), and it really matters only for threatening people in the US. +(10/19/2008 02:10:42 PM) tsunam: yes quantumsummers +(10/19/2008 02:11:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I thought we had two "Gentoo Linux" and the G logo +(10/19/2008 02:11:42 PM) fmccor: I can't figure it out. It would be great if we had both. +(10/19/2008 02:12:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I suspect both are TMs +(10/19/2008 02:12:33 PM) fmccor: I'll have to call Ms. Neundorf and get an answer, because as you will see in a bit, it matters a *lot* +(10/19/2008 02:12:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, there is something in the scans from rl03 and grant +(10/19/2008 02:13:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, your turn now ... International Licencing For Gentoo Merchandise - fmccor +(10/19/2008 02:13:18 PM) fmccor: OK. +(10/19/2008 02:13:44 PM) fmccor: Apologies for keeping my notes restricted distribution --- there's a legal reason. +(10/19/2008 02:13:59 PM) fmccor: The contents are no problem. +(10/19/2008 02:15:40 PM) fmccor: I just opened conversations with Karen Copernhavern & Heather Balmat in Boston (Choate, etc) +(10/19/2008 02:16:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: rl03 has saved us a lot of $$$ with that introduction +(10/19/2008 02:16:25 PM) fmccor: I'll call her Karen because of my terrible typing. +(10/19/2008 02:16:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: they represent the linux foundation as well? +(10/19/2008 02:16:58 PM) fmccor: Indeed he did. They plan/hope to represent us pro bono, +(10/19/2008 02:17:07 PM) fmccor: Karen used to personally. +(10/19/2008 02:17:34 PM) fmccor: Anyway, they know very well the "industry" we are in. +(10/19/2008 02:18:01 PM) fmccor: Some of this is repetitive for the board, but not the audience, so briefly: +(10/19/2008 02:18:30 PM) fmccor: Trademarks are valid by country or region, depeneing on treaties. +(10/19/2008 02:19:05 PM) fmccor: In the US, it's yours if you use it first, but you can register it to keep an official paper trail. +(10/19/2008 02:19:31 PM) fmccor: Everywhere else, it's yours if you register it first --- use does not seem to matter. +(10/19/2008 02:20:18 PM) fmccor: Thus, we can easily enough license anyone anywhere to sell our stuff, but to protect our trademarks anywhere, we must register them (independent of use). +(10/19/2008 02:21:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: So we only have trademark protection in the US today ? +(10/19/2008 02:21:47 PM) fmccor: So, we can easily license someone in Brazil (I think that was one request) to sell mugs, and by contract we can require them to protect our trademarks themselves, but for general protection in Brazil, we must register it there. +(10/19/2008 02:21:48 PM) tsunam: in short that is the case, the e.v has the trademark in germany +(10/19/2008 02:22:05 PM) fmccor: They have the "G" +(10/19/2008 02:22:36 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, Yes, unless someone has registered them for us elsewhere. +(10/19/2008 02:23:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: We need to talk with the e.V. about working together in some way then ? +(10/19/2008 02:24:18 PM) fmccor: There are lots of possibilities, and I expect to speak with our lawyers about it next week and with e.V. once I determine who speaks for them. +(10/19/2008 02:25:01 PM) fmccor: To that end, I'd like some negotiating authority, otherwise such talks can take forever. +(10/19/2008 02:25:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: Where does that leave us with Licencing For emtom.cz and Licencing For Projektfarm GmbH ? Have we just stepped on the e.Vs toes ? +(10/19/2008 02:26:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I suspect that it does not effect entom.cz, but Projektfarm GmbH could take issue/ bypass the foundation +(10/19/2008 02:26:26 PM) fmccor: No, we can license them, but we can't license the "G" --- for them to use the "G", they need to work with e.V. +(10/19/2008 02:27:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: use of "G" logo was their request +(10/19/2008 02:27:25 PM) fmccor: We should be able to register "Gentoo Linux" in the EU, and it is ours in the US, registered or not (as I understand it). +(10/19/2008 02:27:40 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, We can't grant that rught now. +(10/19/2008 02:27:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I have no problem with you talking to the e.V. as our representative but any 'agreement' you may reach will have to be ratified by the board +(10/19/2008 02:27:59 PM) fmccor: Understood. +(10/19/2008 02:28:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, are you ok with ^^ +(10/19/2008 02:28:42 PM) tsunam: yes thats fine with me +(10/19/2008 02:28:56 PM) fmccor: First I have to determine who speaks for e.V., and I want to see what makes sense from Ms. Balmat's point of view (she's Choate's TM person best as I can tell). +(10/19/2008 02:28:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats carried then ... +(10/19/2008 02:30:02 PM) fmccor: I don't know the reach of e.V. 's ownership, either. It's Germany + treaties. +(10/19/2008 02:30:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, Its probably EU wide and growing as the EU expands +(10/19/2008 02:30:41 PM) fmccor: Probably EU + ... +(10/19/2008 02:31:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, any more on this topic ? +(10/19/2008 02:31:24 PM) fmccor: Summary, ignoring e.V. for the moment, yes. +(10/19/2008 02:31:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: they have an irc channel] +(10/19/2008 02:31:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: on freenode +(10/19/2008 02:32:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets not jump in there right now ... leave fmccor to make contact +(10/19/2008 02:32:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sure +(10/19/2008 02:32:34 PM) fmccor: Whenever a request for use of "G" comes in, we can grant it's use as a courtesy unless someone has beat us to wherever the requestor is. +(10/19/2008 02:32:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there is some info re their status with Germany here +(10/19/2008 02:33:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: www.gentoo-ev.org/de/2 +(10/19/2008 02:33:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I'll look later +(10/19/2008 02:33:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(10/19/2008 02:33:49 PM) fmccor: To protect it, we should register it there, if we can --- Karen suggests writing into the agreement that the requestor at least share the cost of registration since it is to their benefit. +(10/19/2008 02:34:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, sounds fair. If the cost puts the enquiry off, so be it +(10/19/2008 02:35:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, done ? +(10/19/2008 02:35:35 PM) fmccor: From a practical point of view, the reason to register it is to keep them from doing so. :) It's not like there's a big run for purple "G" +(10/19/2008 02:35:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe +(10/19/2008 02:36:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Certified Public Accountant - quantumsummers +(10/19/2008 02:36:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: 1. We need one. +(10/19/2008 02:37:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep +(10/19/2008 02:37:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have been in contact with the django foundation & indirectly the psf regarding this +(10/19/2008 02:37:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: python sw foundation that is +(10/19/2008 02:37:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: also some of my other contacts in the np workd +(10/19/2008 02:37:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: all say its rather important +(10/19/2008 02:38:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: to this end I have attempted to procure tentative pro bono services +(10/19/2008 02:38:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I am in talks with a group that manages about 700 nps, but they are reluctant to take us on for free +(10/19/2008 02:39:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: given they are unable to fully appraise the situation +(10/19/2008 02:39:36 PM) tsunam: what are they in need of? +(10/19/2008 02:39:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, can we give them the info they need ? +(10/19/2008 02:39:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we need banking set up, we also need to at least try to get the previous years bank statements +(10/19/2008 02:40:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: noone ever filed with the irs in the past +(10/19/2008 02:40:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: correct +(10/19/2008 02:40:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so, its likely that any cpa would want to go over those years too +(10/19/2008 02:40:34 PM) tsunam: k +(10/19/2008 02:40:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, do we have that info ? +(10/19/2008 02:40:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: from talking to grant, netbank was bought out by ing +(10/19/2008 02:40:59 PM) tsunam: all I have access to is paypal +(10/19/2008 02:41:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we may be able to get that info from them +(10/19/2008 02:41:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ing that is +(10/19/2008 02:41:18 PM) tsunam: possibly +(10/19/2008 02:41:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: our paypal history is important as well +(10/19/2008 02:41:31 PM) tsunam: but really the bank account was a "holding tank" +(10/19/2008 02:41:36 PM) tsunam: for stuff transfered out +(10/19/2008 02:41:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: grant offered to assist in dealing with ing +(10/19/2008 02:41:40 PM) tsunam: I can get the paypal history without issue +(10/19/2008 02:41:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, is that something for you or should you delegate it ? +(10/19/2008 02:42:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: other than that, at worst its around $500/year for a cpa +(10/19/2008 02:42:16 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: I can get the paypal information and forward it onto quantumsummers +(10/19/2008 02:42:22 PM) tsunam: but the ing account would be best from grant +(10/19/2008 02:42:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: includes balancing books, assusring correct protocol for $ movement, & tax preparation +(10/19/2008 02:42:42 PM) tsunam: he will have less issues getting informaiton +(10/19/2008 02:42:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, ok, what about approching ing for our banking history ? +(10/19/2008 02:43:08 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: thats the part I was meaning for grant +(10/19/2008 02:43:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, ok, sounds like its history and not relevant to bankg going forward, so no harm in quantumsummers talking to grant +(10/19/2008 02:44:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, quantumsummers is that ok ? +(10/19/2008 02:44:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can ask him to do it, I spoke with him about this a few weeks ago +(10/19/2008 02:44:08 PM) fmccor: Is there any way to get a clean handoff from Grant, including introductions? +(10/19/2008 02:44:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that is the hope +(10/19/2008 02:44:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we could do a conference call with the bank & all of us +(10/19/2008 02:44:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: inc grant +(10/19/2008 02:45:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, if you need me, it needs to be early morning your West Cost time +(10/19/2008 02:45:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: central time, but yesa, I gotcha +(10/19/2008 02:45:40 PM) fmccor: If you think that's best --- can you set it up? I don't have the capability except to call in. +(10/19/2008 02:45:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tsunam's west coast +(10/19/2008 02:45:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sure, I can get things going there +(10/19/2008 02:46:05 PM) ***fmccor is east +(10/19/2008 02:46:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, my timezone changes next weekend ... +(10/19/2008 02:46:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I will email about it ahead of time so we can all be on the call +(10/19/2008 02:46:56 PM) fmccor: Brings you an hour closer for about 2 weeks. +(10/19/2008 02:47:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ok +(10/19/2008 02:47:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so basically +(10/19/2008 02:47:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we have options, but need more info to get pro bono, if we pay we can go ahead at any point +(10/19/2008 02:47:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, pay how much ? +(10/19/2008 02:48:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: at worst ~ $500 per year +(10/19/2008 02:48:28 PM) ***fmccor would pay if you have an accountant in mind and you can work with. +(10/19/2008 02:48:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: which is not too bad +(10/19/2008 02:48:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets hang out for pro bono ... its unlikely they will switch after we start paying +(10/19/2008 02:49:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: How urgently do we need a CPA ? +(10/19/2008 02:49:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I will report on this further as the situation develops. +(10/19/2008 02:49:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: well, its a really good idea to get one as soon as possible +(10/19/2008 02:50:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: though, I don't think anyone will go to jail if we wait a few more months +(10/19/2008 02:50:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets get the telecon set up ... and take it from there +(10/19/2008 02:50:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: nice thing is that all reports (quarterly & annual) are taken care of +(10/19/2008 02:50:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & taxes are done. I will continue research into this matter +(10/19/2008 02:50:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: Sounds goog +(10/19/2008 02:51:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: good* +(10/19/2008 02:51:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think that's it for cpa +(10/19/2008 02:51:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: icencing For emtom.cz and Licencing For Projektfarm GmbH - quantumsummers +(10/19/2008 02:51:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: do we want to put this on hold until we have spoken with thw e.V. ? +(10/19/2008 02:52:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, well given the above regarding Projektfarm, and since I sent them an email long ago & never heard back from them, putting this on hold is good until we sort out the IP status internationally +(10/19/2008 02:52:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ^^^ +(10/19/2008 02:53:05 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(10/19/2008 02:53:09 PM) fmccor: Saw it. +(10/19/2008 02:53:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: Clarify Trustee/Officer roles to enable a Trustee/Officer role split - update bylaws tracker bug -fmccor +(10/19/2008 02:53:43 PM) fmccor: The problem really is whether or not the trademark(s) are owned by someone else and if so, what they will allow or want. +(10/19/2008 02:53:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: indeed +(10/19/2008 02:54:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, is you update in a suitable form to copy/paste into a new set of draft bylaws ? +(10/19/2008 02:54:13 PM) fmccor: I don't think there's anything for the tracker --- bylaws are clear. +(10/19/2008 02:54:44 PM) fmccor: Bylaws are clear on the roles and who does what. +(10/19/2008 02:54:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so, we are ready for the officer split? +(10/19/2008 02:55:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: how do you plan to recruit? +(10/19/2008 02:55:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, it was the President/Chairman splt and the vices +(10/19/2008 02:55:39 PM) fmccor: Yes, bylaws assume s aplit there and say if not, president acts ac chair. +(10/19/2008 02:55:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, not quite, the bylaws need to be updated, adopted and cirulated to members +(10/19/2008 02:55:58 PM) fmccor: We currently have a president but no chair. +(10/19/2008 02:56:20 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, No, bylaws need no change for a split. +(10/19/2008 02:56:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(10/19/2008 02:56:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Send friendly cease and desist emails to copyright infringers spotted on cafepress - quantumsummers +(10/19/2008 02:57:08 PM) fmccor: We just don't have a chair or vice-chair, and it will be convenient to give NeddySeagoon 2 hats. +(10/19/2008 02:57:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: and yourself fmccor +(10/19/2008 02:57:47 PM) fmccor: True. +fmccor fmccor|away +(10/19/2008 02:58:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so, NeddySeagoon will remain Pres/Chair & fmccor will remain VP/V-chair? +(10/19/2008 02:58:47 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Not quite --- problem is we don't have a chair or vice-chair, and I am proposing to appoint them. +(10/19/2008 02:58:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ah, gotcha +(10/19/2008 02:59:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: shall we talk about that a bit? +(10/19/2008 02:59:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, unless there is good reason not to, then I would resign as President. There may be advantages to having the officers all as US citizens +(10/19/2008 02:59:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thus making you the chairman? +(10/19/2008 02:59:32 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon is running these meetings as president acting as chair because we don't have a chair. +(10/19/2008 02:59:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, yes +(10/19/2008 02:59:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, makes sense. +(10/19/2008 03:00:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: will there be a similar announcement regarding these vacancies? +(10/19/2008 03:00:21 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, No advantage. I'd argue just the opposite once we get the banking in place. +(10/19/2008 03:00:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: similar to the previous one(s) +(10/19/2008 03:00:56 PM) ***fmccor thinks we are better off staying as international as possible. +fmccor fmccor|away +(10/19/2008 03:01:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I agree with fmccor +(10/19/2008 03:01:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, possibly but that was one of the options we considered earier as the bank wanted to make life difficicult of no USA citizens +(10/19/2008 03:01:48 PM) fmccor: Probably treasurer should be US citizen and one of Pres, VP. That should be enough. +(10/19/2008 03:02:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Back to ... Send friendly cease and desist emails to copyright infringers spotted on cafepress - quantumsummers +(10/19/2008 03:03:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I have a draft, but I have not sent it. I felt uncertain about the status & this meeting has clarified these somewhat. Would you like me to circulate the draft? Also, my plan was to simply sent it to cafepress & let them deal with things. +(10/19/2008 03:04:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ok, send it to trustees@ +(10/19/2008 03:04:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: some of the infringers are international I think, which is another consideration +(10/19/2008 03:04:40 PM) fmccor: You will have to. Assuming cafepress is in the US, we can enforce trademark wrt them, but we can't do anything about the individuals if they are ourside the US. +(10/19/2008 03:05:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: shall I also spread this to other US based companies? +(10/19/2008 03:05:28 PM) fmccor: Are there any? +(10/19/2008 03:05:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: not sure, I was looking at spreadshirt +(10/19/2008 03:05:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, if you find more infringers - yes. If we don't protect our marks, they become public domain +(10/19/2008 03:05:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: very well +(10/19/2008 03:06:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers spreadshirt have an arrangement with the e.V +(10/19/2008 03:06:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes I know +(10/19/2008 03:06:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: they have offices in many countries +(10/19/2008 03:07:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, lets keep it to USA infringers until the International position becomes clear +(10/19/2008 03:07:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: cafepress will get a letter +(10/19/2008 03:07:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, its polite to copy it to the companies too +(10/19/2008 03:08:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: very well, its been rather difficult tracking all of them down, as there are many +(10/19/2008 03:08:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: anyway, sent it to trustees@ and we can all look it over +(10/19/2008 03:08:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yessir +(10/19/2008 03:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Propose wording to open Foundation Membership - update bylaws tracker bug -fmccor +(10/19/2008 03:09:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: IS this copy and paste ready ? +(10/19/2008 03:09:31 PM) fmccor: I put forth a 1 sentence proposal, there are a couple comments on it. +(10/19/2008 03:09:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: We will look at the bug under the next agenda item +(10/19/2008 03:10:08 PM) fmccor: I'm happy with it as it is for now, and we can amend it as we discuss it. +(10/19/2008 03:10:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: 3. Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +(10/19/2008 03:10:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: !bug 177966 +(10/19/2008 03:10:40 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/177966 "Clarify Foundation page on external entities"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; wolf31o2@g.o:trustees@g.o +(10/19/2008 03:10:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: I was supposed to close that, and I havent. Sorry +(10/19/2008 03:11:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: !bug 217511 +(10/19/2008 03:11:22 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/217511 "The Gentoo Store is Out of Date"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +(10/19/2008 03:11:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: musikc, around ? +(10/19/2008 03:11:47 PM) fmccor: I think she's in China --- tsunam would know +(10/19/2008 03:12:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there were several updates make by musikc +(10/19/2008 03:12:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: There has been some stuff added +(10/19/2008 03:12:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: !bug 236863 +(10/19/2008 03:12:55 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/236863 "Tracker Bug for the bylaws of the Gentoo Foundation Inc."; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +(10/19/2008 03:13:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets discuss the bylaw amendment(s) now +(10/19/2008 03:15:03 PM) fmccor: OK, I think 6.3 in comment 6 is a no-brainer (even though I did write it). +(10/19/2008 03:15:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(10/19/2008 03:16:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think it would be nice to do what the linux foundation just did, allow anyone to become a member of the foundation by contributing +(10/19/2008 03:16:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, agreed +(10/19/2008 03:16:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: which reminds me, it may be possible to get nice tax receipts for devs that volunteer +(10/19/2008 03:17:18 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, You mean with $$$ , or ... ? +(10/19/2008 03:17:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: would need a standard to determine the "value", I mean a tax write-off +(10/19/2008 03:17:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, thats the 'on merit' I proposed. devs qualify immediately on becoming a dev, if thay want to, non devs need to show what they have done +(10/19/2008 03:18:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes, on merit makes good sense +(10/19/2008 03:18:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: ranes' leaving is already in the bylaws +(10/19/2008 03:19:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: though there is precedent with other OSS foundations for allowing membership by donation +(10/19/2008 03:19:54 PM) ***fmccor does not think he likes that idea. +(10/19/2008 03:19:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: not sure how you or the community would feel about this +(10/19/2008 03:20:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: I want to scrap the 1 year rule as the foundation imdemnifies its memebrs ... there is no reason for devs not to have that benefit +(10/19/2008 03:20:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, why ? +(10/19/2008 03:20:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: makes sense to protect the devs at join date +(10/19/2008 03:21:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, as long as its not compulsorary +fmccor fmccor|away +(10/19/2008 03:21:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: yes +fmccor fmccor|away +(10/19/2008 03:21:32 PM) fmccor: Membership by donation? I'm not sure, it just feels a little wrong. I don't have strong feelings on it one way or the other. +(10/19/2008 03:21:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, nope - not by donation ... did I say that ? +(10/19/2008 03:22:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor, the main reason I bring that up is that several of the larger OSS foundations use that to get corporate & private donors +(10/19/2008 03:22:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: think public radio +(10/19/2008 03:23:09 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, perhaps we were out of sync. I agree with all the rest of the discussion. +(10/19/2008 03:23:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I don't see membership by donation happing any time soon. Maybe when we can offer 501(c) benefits +(10/19/2008 03:23:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes, that is necessary +(10/19/2008 03:23:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the cpa will assist with 501c3 +(10/19/2008 03:24:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: takes 6 to 9 months +(10/19/2008 03:24:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: highly recommended +(10/19/2008 03:24:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I think we a a year or two away from that ... if the donor corps take the risk of us screwing up in the 5 year trail +(10/19/2008 03:24:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we will be fine, I am fairly certain there have been no dubious dealings +(10/19/2008 03:25:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: esp given that the cash flow has been so low +(10/19/2008 03:25:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & noone has taken salary +(10/19/2008 03:25:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: for the next bylaw update ... its not a useful option and we are taliking of an update before Christmas +(10/19/2008 03:26:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so, are we opening up membership to devs immediately upon joining? +(10/19/2008 03:26:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, its the income balance that could be a problem +(10/19/2008 03:27:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats the suggestion ... and to non devs on merit. Merit will be judged on a case by case basis by the board +(10/19/2008 03:27:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: imo, opening foundation membership to users could engender greater community happiness, etc. so a non-dev would apply for membership? +(10/19/2008 03:27:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & be judged by the board +(10/19/2008 03:28:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or would a dev suggest a non-dev for membership? +(10/19/2008 03:28:05 PM) fmccor: Yes, that's fine with me. +(10/19/2008 03:28:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I hope it will help close the dev / non dev devide +(10/19/2008 03:28:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we will need a standard of merit +(10/19/2008 03:28:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I agere NeddySeagoon, that will be a very good thing for everyone +(10/19/2008 03:28:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: *agree +(10/19/2008 03:28:49 PM) fmccor: Also. +(10/19/2008 03:29:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, The board will judge each case on it merits. It needs to be a verifiable contribution +(10/19/2008 03:29:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: what types of contributions will be considered? +(10/19/2008 03:30:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, anythiing to the good og Gentoo and open source +(10/19/2008 03:30:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: gentoo-wiki, blogging, forums participation ... ? +(10/19/2008 03:30:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: of* +(10/19/2008 03:30:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(10/19/2008 03:30:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so users are welcome to apply +(10/19/2008 03:30:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: e.g. if Wayne Chew applied ... +(10/19/2008 03:30:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats fmccors' example +(10/19/2008 03:30:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: they must provide some form of "proof of contribution" +(10/19/2008 03:31:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: makes sense. +(10/19/2008 03:31:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: They need to provide something we can check out, yes +(10/19/2008 03:31:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: just trying to figure out what to say in the summary, :D +(10/19/2008 03:31:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: very well. +(10/19/2008 03:32:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, you have been quiet ... are you agreed with the ideas above ? +(10/19/2008 03:32:27 PM) fmccor: Probably part of it will be in the form "Ask xxx and yyy what I'm up to." +(10/19/2008 03:32:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep +(10/19/2008 03:32:48 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: hehe yes I have been +(10/19/2008 03:32:56 PM) tsunam: I've never been for donations for membership +(10/19/2008 03:33:03 PM) tsunam: 501c3 always pushed for +(10/19/2008 03:33:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, in years to come, it would be GNi donating to the foundation instead of infra, to get 503(c) tax relief +(10/19/2008 03:33:59 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: yep +(10/19/2008 03:34:12 PM) tsunam: makes it much more useful for businesses to donate as they can write it off +(10/19/2008 03:34:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: and GNi would be a member ... or not ? +(10/19/2008 03:34:19 PM) tsunam: nope +(10/19/2008 03:35:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, I have no strong feelings one way or another. GNi was just an example ... it applies to all our USA based sponsors +(10/19/2008 03:35:38 PM) tsunam: A sponsor is fine but not as a member of the foundation +(10/19/2008 03:36:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'll offer to update the bylaws over the next week but I don't have a USA spell checker +(10/19/2008 03:36:47 PM) fmccor: We can decipher your strange spelling. :) +(10/19/2008 03:36:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: In line with the bug and discussions here +(10/19/2008 03:36:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: here, please let me know if this works for you guys +(10/19/2008 03:37:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Some very important changes regarding foundation membership are being finalized. First, as all Gentoo developers and staff are encouraged to join the foundation, membership will now be available at join data, whereas previously a one year wait perios was required. Secondly, all contributing Gentoo users are encouraged to apply for foundation mambership. Approval will be granted by the board of trustees on a per application basis, contigent on the applicant providing verifiable proof of meaningful contribution to Gentoo. +(10/19/2008 03:37:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that should be join date not data +(10/19/2008 03:37:26 PM) fmccor: "join data"? +(10/19/2008 03:37:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lol +(10/19/2008 03:37:31 PM) fmccor: OK. +(10/19/2008 03:37:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep +(10/19/2008 03:37:47 PM) rane: you shouldn't write that long sentences on irc +(10/19/2008 03:37:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks for the summary +(10/19/2008 03:37:57 PM) rane: it cuts down after 150 chars or sth like that +(10/19/2008 03:38:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I wrote it for the doc rane, but I will chop it up in the future +(10/19/2008 03:38:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: We will vote on the new bylaws at the November meetting +(10/19/2008 03:38:40 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Fine with me. +(10/19/2008 03:38:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: !bug 56711 +(10/19/2008 03:38:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, thanks +(10/19/2008 03:38:49 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/56711 "Retire: Renat Lumpau (rl03)"; Recruitment, New Developers; NEW; stuart@g.o:retirement@g.o +(10/19/2008 03:39:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: seems like everyone is for retiring renat, but giving him an email forward +(10/19/2008 03:39:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: As Renat is out of the country can we defer another month ? +(10/19/2008 03:39:32 PM) fmccor: I don't have strong feelings === I'd just like to wait for him to get back into the country so he can comment himself first. +(10/19/2008 03:39:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(10/19/2008 03:39:44 PM) fmccor: You beat me to it. +(10/19/2008 03:40:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I don't want to bend the rules just because it suits us. The project has its rules (hen the bug) and the Foundation as its rules +(10/19/2008 03:40:40 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I'd say defer --- there's nothing hanging on his status. +(10/19/2008 03:40:51 PM) tsunam: you know my stance so +(10/19/2008 03:41:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: rane, are you ok with another month ? +(10/19/2008 03:41:18 PM) rane: what do you mean? +(10/19/2008 03:41:38 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, right now he's away, whether marked as such or not, so I think that suspends action anyway. +(10/19/2008 03:41:57 PM) rane: i'm fine with waiting +(10/19/2008 03:42:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: rane, waiting until rl03_ is back in the US +(10/19/2008 03:42:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: rane, thanks +(10/19/2008 03:42:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 4 Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 +(10/19/2008 03:42:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, ^^ +(10/19/2008 03:43:56 PM) tsunam: I've managed to finally get the reports for quarterly from paypal. I need to do the last 3 years of them to get the fy for this year correct +(10/19/2008 03:44:12 PM) tsunam: I had to call paypal and one of their people had to get them for me ~_~ +(10/19/2008 03:44:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, that doesn't sound good. When will you be able to update the web pages ? +(10/19/2008 03:45:09 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: I'll try for "soon" see how bad the numbers are +(10/19/2008 03:45:24 PM) tsunam: they need to get up no matter what but I hope they are close to what they should be +(10/19/2008 03:45:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, have you scoped the work involved ? +(10/19/2008 03:45:44 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: yeah a lot of number crunching +(10/19/2008 03:46:00 PM) tsunam: they are in quarters though for the reports so its easier +(10/19/2008 03:46:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: can you put them up a quarter at a time ? +(10/19/2008 03:46:19 PM) tsunam: should be able to +(10/19/2008 03:46:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, please do that then we can watch progress :) +(10/19/2008 03:46:49 PM) tsunam: k +(10/19/2008 03:47:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, when do we have to file for our FY end ? +(10/19/2008 03:47:48 PM) tsunam: we don't have to file the same way but we have to report taxes in march/april +(10/19/2008 03:48:11 PM) tsunam: same as the rest of us as far as I'm aware in the states +(10/19/2008 03:48:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, so everything has to be done for then. Will that deadline be ok ? +(10/19/2008 03:48:49 PM) tsunam: more then sufficent unless I'm a complete slacker +(10/19/2008 03:49:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe ok. At least you have the data. If you need help, shout in good time +(10/19/2008 03:49:37 PM) tsunam: will do +(10/19/2008 03:50:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 5 Any other business. +(10/19/2008 03:50:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, anything else at all ? +(10/19/2008 03:50:22 PM) fmccor: No. +(10/19/2008 03:50:25 PM) tsunam: nope +(10/19/2008 03:50:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: just a sec +(10/19/2008 03:50:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, anything ? +(10/19/2008 03:50:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(10/19/2008 03:51:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, sorry, my wife just called, she is flying back from new orleans +(10/19/2008 03:51:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: np +(10/19/2008 03:52:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: actually, this may be better off the record for any detailed discussion, but I have established a dev plan & devs to create the tools for the foundation management +(10/19/2008 03:52:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: django foundation initially +(10/19/2008 03:52:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there are other OSS foundations interested in using such a suite as well +(10/19/2008 03:52:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, sounds interesting ... this is to manage our records +(10/19/2008 03:53:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we have the potential to create a revenue stream by hosting service this for other OSS foundations, if that is interesting or possible. +(10/19/2008 03:53:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes to manage records, books, donors, contacts +(10/19/2008 03:53:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: IP management, there is a rather large initial feature set +(10/19/2008 03:54:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: once the groundwork is done, we will open it to further dev via a module/plugin api +(10/19/2008 03:55:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: spent most of friday with jacob km, django foundation head, working out the details +(10/19/2008 03:55:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: do we need to invent something new ? +(10/19/2008 03:55:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think we covered all his needs & all of gentoo's needs +(10/19/2008 03:55:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes, we are inventing something new +(10/19/2008 03:55:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, so I see, but do we *need* to ? +(10/19/2008 03:56:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there are no tools specifically for non-profit management that encompass all these things, esp with an eye towards continuity of governance +(10/19/2008 03:56:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(10/19/2008 03:57:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: it will be a good thing, the trustees will have input on what features are required +(10/19/2008 03:57:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & desired +(10/19/2008 03:57:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, its probably best to share they detail via email +(10/19/2008 03:57:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: jacob & I will build it +(10/19/2008 03:58:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(10/19/2008 03:58:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: jacob requested a degree of quietness about this until we have a nice working model up +(10/19/2008 03:58:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: but wait, there's more ... +(10/19/2008 03:58:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: best put it on trustees@ then, not -nfp +(10/19/2008 03:59:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there are some upcoming grant opportunities available, I will post to you via trustees@ that look really good. +(10/19/2008 03:59:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: basically really good pr +(10/19/2008 04:00:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: Where will this tool be hosted ? -infra may not like it +(10/19/2008 04:00:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can host it, no problem, if that's the case +(10/19/2008 04:01:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there are also some interesting opportunities to partner with other OSS foundations with this tool as well +(10/19/2008 04:02:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: best talk to -infra early, not present them a done deal and keep them informed of developments +(10/19/2008 04:02:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have spoken with robbat informally +(10/19/2008 04:02:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: but yes I agree +(10/19/2008 04:03:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: ask robbat2 if you should copy -infra on the mail +(10/19/2008 04:03:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: nice thing is that the code base will be maintained be representative from, hopefully, many OSS non-profits +(10/19/2008 04:03:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: s/be/by +(10/19/2008 04:03:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: that sounds good, with a team of two, I was worried about ongoing maintainance +(10/19/2008 04:04:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that's just so we can make sure we have a good handle on the intial development +(10/19/2008 04:04:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(10/19/2008 04:04:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: actually there will be a dev team of about 6 after we work the data models out +(10/19/2008 04:05:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(10/19/2008 04:05:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: prior to fully opening up the code +(10/19/2008 04:05:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: put the details in an email +(10/19/2008 04:05:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: anyway, that's about it +(10/19/2008 04:05:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(10/19/2008 04:05:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: 6. Open floor ... +(10/19/2008 04:06:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: Anything from anybody +(10/19/2008 04:06:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have something ... DoNM +(10/19/2008 04:07:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: Sunday 16th November 1900 UTC .... is that OK with everyone +(10/19/2008 04:07:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, tsunam ? +(10/19/2008 04:07:41 PM) fmccor: Should be. +(10/19/2008 04:07:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ? +(10/19/2008 04:07:55 PM) fmccor: That's probably when US changes time, but am not sure. +(10/19/2008 04:07:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fine with me +(10/19/2008 04:08:11 PM) tsunam: nothing +(10/19/2008 04:08:15 PM) tsunam: and its fine +(10/19/2008 04:08:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think its nov. 2nd time changes +(10/19/2008 04:08:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: err 4th +(10/19/2008 04:09:25 PM) fmccor: 4th is a Tuesday (election day) +(10/19/2008 04:09:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lord, wrong month, its the 2nd +(10/19/2008 04:09:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lol +(10/19/2008 04:10:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: silly of me, sorry +(10/19/2008 04:10:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: don't forget to vote +(10/19/2008 04:11:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: meeting over +(10/19/2008 04:11:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thanks everyone
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2008/september08.txt b/2008/september08.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..9e75f4c --- /dev/null +++ b/2008/september08.txt @@ -0,0 +1,614 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +20:00 * musikc is updating the bug with her comments +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call dmwaters tsunam +20:02 <@dmwaters> NeddySeagoon: i'm here +20:03 <@quantumsummers|c> anyone spy tsunam? +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> dmwaters, thanks - we are quorate, with 3 out of4 +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> lets start anyway +20:04 < musikc> bug #236863 updated if interested +20:04 < Willikins> musikc: https://bugs.gentoo.org/236863 "Tracker Bug for the bylaws of the Gentoo Foundation Inc."; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> 1 Appointments +20:05 <@fmccor> musikc, I'm good with that. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> We are pleased to announce the appointments of dmwaters as a trustee in place of tgall and quantumsummers as sec, and our very first non trustee officer +20:06 * quantumsummers|c wishes to thank the board of trustees for the opportunity. +20:06 <+rane> congrats guys +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> 2. Introductions take a bow please dmwaters and quantumsummers. Say a few words to introduce yourselves +20:07 * quantumsummers|c bows +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> moving on ... 3 Actions From the Last Meeting +20:07 <@dmwaters> My name is deedra waters, I've been a gentoo developer for a quite a while, and served on the board for almost 2 terms in the past +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> thank you +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> as he's not here, thats a bye ... but we do know that tsunam is expecting forms from the bank 'soon'. +20:09 <@quantumsummers|c> can I jump in here re:CPA? +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> sure +20:09 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +20:10 <@quantumsummers|c> well, I have been in informal negotiations with a firm that specializes in non-profits +20:10 <@quantumsummers|c> I have worked with these people for ~3 years now +20:11 <@quantumsummers|c> basically, to take this further I need a decent guestimate regarding the foundations fiscal situation +20:11 <@quantumsummers|c> better yet, an anual report +20:11 <@quantumsummers|c> *annual +20:11 <@quantumsummers|c> however, they are amenable to our cause +20:11 <@quantumsummers|c> & interested in working with us +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, please discuss that directly with tsunam - there are scans of our annual reports around but I'm not sure if its what you need +20:12 <@quantumsummers|c> my only reservation is their lack of experience dealing with OSS non-profits, but then I think the legal filings are the same regardless +20:12 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: I will bring it up to him +20:13 <@quantumsummers|c> seems like they need to know the volume of transactions in order to judge the time commitment +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, an email to trustees@ then poke hime to read it .. +20:13 -!- fragalot [n=services@gentoo/user/FamousToaster] has quit ["Lost terminal"] +20:13 <@quantumsummers|c> could cost anywhere from free to ~$120/month +20:13 <@quantumsummers|c> will do re:poke, NeddySeagoon +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, I think its pretty low ... but tsunam has the numbers +20:13 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, As an estimate, figure pretty low folume +20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, that was my initial thought +20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> no payroll, so that will make things easier +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:15 <@quantumsummers|c> thats it for CPA at this time +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> dmwaters, the next item concerns you as everyone else is ok with it Trustees and Foundation Article For the GMN - (On hold while we are under strength) +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> dmwaters, I'll give you a link to a sample later - its on hold until we replace wltjr +20:16 <@dmwaters> NeddySeagoon: ok +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Next action - International Licencing For Gentoo Merchandise - fmccor +20:17 <@fmccor> As you have seen, I'm asking Renat for introductions to lawyers he knows who do this sort of thing. +20:17 <@fmccor> He has interned with a couple, ans should be getting back to me this week. +20:18 <@fmccor> He claimed he needed time to get back into the law student mode, and such. +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I've jusr dropped him from the trustees@ alias, should we add him back ? +20:18 <@fmccor> Probably doesn't matter as long as I can reach him at @gentoo.org +20:19 <@fmccor> I suspect he's more likely to read personal email anyway. +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds like hes well into lawyer mode ... waiting for it to get to the top of the inbox :) +20:19 <@fmccor> :) +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll leave him off trustees@ +20:19 <@fmccor> If he's in true lawyer mode, that'll never happen. :) +20:19 <@quantumsummers|c> may I ask what sort of law expertise we are looking for? +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Fix name and address on IPR/trademark documents, - needs a bank account to pay the fees +20:20 <@fmccor> International licensing agreements --- we want to license people in other countries to sell our stuff. +20:20 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, right. +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> and make money from it ourselves ... +20:21 <@quantumsummers|c> indeed +20:21 <@fmccor> I'm ready to move based on the last meeting as soon as we have access to our funds. +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, thanks. +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Clarify Trustee/Officer roles to enable a Trustee/Officer role split ... fmccor you brought this up at the end of the last meeting +20:22 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Yes. Here goes ... +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> It was getting late here, so was held over ... +20:23 <@fmccor> Under the bylaws, these meetings are chaired by the Board chairman, or by the President if none. +20:23 <@fmccor> I think we should designate NeddySeagoon as the Chairman of the board (and me as vice chairman) so that we can split off the +20:24 <@fmccor> President and Vice president from the trustees without losing control of our own meetings. +20:24 <@fmccor> There is another advantage: +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> I see. separate names for each office/trustee position, so they can be split but the trustees always retain control +20:24 <@fmccor> During all this banking mess, one of the problems was that NeddySeagoon is not a US resident. But that's because he's the President of the Foundation. +20:25 <@fmccor> If someone else had been president and NeddySeagoon the chairman of the board, that would never have come up. +20:25 <@dmwaters> hmmm +20:26 <@fmccor> Right now, neither the president nor the vice president actually does anything; the board is doing it all (except for secretary now). +20:26 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, exactly. +20:27 <@fmccor> Right now, you would keep both positions, but if something like the bank problems came up again, we could avoid it without actually changing anything. +20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> does the board have any contact with the board of, for example, the linux foundation or fsf, to see how they handle these matters? +20:27 <@fmccor> President acts at the direction of the board anyway. +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, that sounds like something to sort out on trustees@ care to write it up in some detail so we can discuss/vote on a motion next meeting ? +20:28 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Yes. If you don't see something next week, beat up on me for it. +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, wltjr opened discussions with one of the BSD foundations ... we need to keep that alive +20:29 <@fmccor> Anyone else feel free to express an opinion, too. +20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> indeed, it may be beneficial to open dialog with a few of the prominent non-profits in the OSS world +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor put it on -nfp then. No need to keep it to ourselves +20:29 <@fmccor> Will do. +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, I'll forward you the email exchange I have ... like I say, its early days +20:30 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +20:30 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks +20:30 <@quantumsummers|c> mind if I make some attempts? +20:31 <@fmccor> Please do. +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, I was hoping you would offer ... we need someone to follow up. Please do +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> 4 Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> 177966 Clarify Foundation page on external entities ... I never ubderstood this one +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 177966 +20:32 < Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/177966 "Clarify Foundation page on external entities"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; wolf31o2@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:32 <@fmccor> I don't know what this one is about +20:33 <@quantumsummers|c> my take is that its about how gentoo will comply with law, but more to the point about how gentoo will interact with donors +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, I think we can add a comment to point to the bylaws and close it. I'll look at it during the week +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> The bylaws are our limitations +20:34 <@fmccor> OK +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date - musikc +20:34 < musikc> hiya +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 217511 +20:34 < musikc> yes it is +20:34 < Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/217511 "The Gentoo Store is Out of Date"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:34 < musikc> whats up with that? LOL +20:35 <@quantumsummers|c> (gentoo throwing star belt buckle) +20:35 <@quantumsummers|c> :D +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, you were going to fix it, or see if PR could help +20:35 < musikc> sorry quantumsummers|c, i didnt find any online stores for that :-P +20:35 <@quantumsummers|c> ah, well, lemme see what I can find, worse case I know a blacksmith or two +20:36 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, For decapitating (Larry the) cows? +20:36 < musikc> i spoke to dberkholz only this week (newborn = ! extra time) and he had no personal interest in doing it but said he'd be fine with PR doing it +20:37 <@quantumsummers|c> I would be willing to assist here as well +20:37 < musikc> what i'd like to do is this... ive sent an email to pr@ to solicite some interest, i'd like to get the current store up to shape, and find someone to hand over maintaining it in PR, possibly recruit some help for PR in the process if not enough interest +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> As its an ongoing thing, keeping it up to date and so on, I think the foundation should form a storekeepers project +20:37 < musikc> a lot of what i hear about the store just isnt true +20:37 <@quantumsummers|c> what do you hear +20:37 < musikc> people say cafepress doesnt ship internationally... well they do +20:38 < musikc> people say cafepress doesnt offer options... well they do, its just they arent listed on *our* store +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> yep - there has been some correspondence on -nfp about that +20:38 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds like a sw update is needed +20:38 < musikc> now i will admit cafepress is expensive, but i looked at another popular option and it's just as expensive as well +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, we pulled 2006.0 ... +20:38 <@quantumsummers|c> no, I meant the sw that runs the store +20:38 < musikc> so i think that any solution that 'doesnt make it til you order it' is going to be more expensive than if we ran our own print shop and store +20:39 <@quantumsummers|c> err, that the store runs on +20:39 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, are you saying cafepress is out of date or just our store on cafepress? +20:39 < musikc> cafepress offers some neat things id like to see in our store tbh +20:39 <@quantumsummers|c> bingo +20:39 < musikc> LOL, quantumsummers|c, it was an A or B question :-P +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, I don't think we want to run our own store ... thats a big overhead. Just licence cafepress or whoever to do it +20:40 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, no no no, nor do i. +20:40 <@quantumsummers|c> if some popular options are not visible on our store we are out of date, that is what I meant +20:40 < musikc> just saying thats why i think ppl say its expensive, it could be cheaper but wouldnt be worth it for us. +20:40 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, i totally agree +20:40 -!- pva is now known as pva|afk +20:40 < musikc> like long sleeve tshirts... come on, no reason those arent there +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, speadshirt have them +20:41 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, so does cafepress :-P +20:41 < musikc> its just WE didnt add it to our lil subsection of cafepress, our store if you will +20:41 < musikc> and it'd be soooooooo easy to add it! +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc and CDs and DVDs ... it needs a maintainer +20:42 < musikc> not really, here's why i say that... +20:42 < musikc> no one actually bought them. the last time they were updated was when they were finally dropped b/c there were not enough orders to even compensate for the cost of shipping the media to cafepress +20:42 < musikc> so it seems like a waste to me +20:43 < musikc> however, we could talk to agaffney re: release engineering but i really think Gentoo is in for a reality check there (my personal opinion) +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, we never tried a DVD but I heard that about the CDs +20:43 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, cafepress doesnt offer DVD +20:44 <@quantumsummers|c> imo, skip the install media, anyone that wants to run gentoo will DL the iso they need +20:44 <@fmccor> I think so, too. +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, thats true in the USA and Europe, in which case there is no point in doing media there +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> To sum up then ... +20:45 <@quantumsummers|c> however, the things that can generate revenue for the project are cool t-shirts & schwag. +20:45 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, agree totally on that +20:45 <@fmccor> Also. +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, will talk to PR about taking on the store and maintaining it, recruiting if required +20:45 <@quantumsummers|c> so, not to cut off NeddySeagoon, but +20:46 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, do you have any objections to me updating it ASAP? +20:46 <@quantumsummers|c> some manner of design contest, coupled with a big pr push could really help drive up revenue in the store +20:46 * musikc steps away from quantumsummers|c who is reading her mind +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> If there is no interest, the foundation will look at staffing it, possibly with a 'committee' +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, Nope ... pleasedo +20:47 <@quantumsummers|c> hmm, musikc, how difficult is it to get new designs put up/ +20:47 <@quantumsummers|c> ? +20:47 < musikc> cake walk +20:47 <@quantumsummers|c> lovely +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, after its updated ... it needs regular revies and maintainance ... so I would like to see a long term solution +20:48 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, i agree. something quarterly would be good. +20:48 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, well I have a contact with a really nice design group here that has interest in pro bono designs +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> reviwes* +20:48 < musikc> like a review for trustees to see how the store is doing in a meeting once a quarter? +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, yep sounds good +20:49 < musikc> if we wrap up the 'update the store bit' i have more re: the store +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, we have to post quarterly accounts ... so round about that time +20:49 < musikc> may i proceed? +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, please do +20:50 < musikc> who in trustees is checking for use of our IP on sites, such as cafepress? +20:50 < musikc> i found 3 sites there that are using our logos and that is a violation, a quick email to cafepress should take those items down. +20:50 < musikc> http://www.cafepress.com/linux_gentoo +20:50 < musikc> http://www.cafepress.com/ovensia +20:50 < musikc> http://www.cafepress.com/1337_stuff +20:50 < musikc> now i know they can say 'gentoo' but they cannot use our logo +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I guess the answer is nobody ... if I find one, I ask them to please stop or come to some arrangement +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:52 < musikc> i know wolf31o2 used to regularly search popular sites for such things. is it possible someone on the foundation could take on that role? +20:52 <@quantumsummers|c> that first link has a ton of cool stuff +20:52 < musikc> hehe +20:52 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, aye... and isnt giving us any % of their profits for using our logo +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, sounds like a secertarial task +20:52 * musikc giggles +20:52 <@quantumsummers|c> now if the people responsible for those stores are making money, they could be held liable very easily +20:53 <@fmccor> Actually, I think we don't want to stop them, we want them to get permission, perhaps give us a cut, and note the Gentoo is a (R) trademark. +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> we need to track who we have arrangements with too +20:53 <@quantumsummers|c> indeed +20:53 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, i can tell you they are b/c i know what the actual cost of those items are, so they are marking them up +20:54 <@quantumsummers|c> well then, wonder if I can find a phone number +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, thats the only reason these sites exist +20:54 < musikc> fmccor, that's fine if you wish to let them, but we should get something out of it. % of profits, maybe alos a link to our store, and an agreement that they will not sell the same items as us +20:54 <@quantumsummers|c> that group is ripping off everyone, lol +20:54 < musikc> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/cup.aspx +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, as musikc says, emails all round, copy to trustees@ +20:55 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, i think you could email cup@cafepress.com and ask for help contacting those stores +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, we don't all want to send emails, are you going to do it ? +20:55 <@quantumsummers|c> sure, pleasure +20:56 <@quantumsummers|c> imo, gentoo is the only group that should be selling gentoo stuff +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, thanks. report back to the next meeting. +20:56 <@quantumsummers|c> we could create an avenue with designers to facilitate their work & split some profit, thus generating more revenue for the project. +20:57 <@quantumsummers|c> I will report back as soon as I have info. +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> heh ... an English local council is calling some of its services gentoo ... but no relation to linux +20:57 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, By the way, this is one issue our pro bono IP lawyer mentioned --- we need for those vendors to note that it's Gentoo(R) --- not on the T-shirts, perhaps, but someplace on the site. +20:57 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, in the past we stopped everyone who used any of our IP (the pretty G logo or the Gentoo Linux one) +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, any more on the shop ? +20:57 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, nah, let me role with what we've got, harrass the PR ppl, and try to drum up some interest in the store in general +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, I agree with that in the USA +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks musikc +20:58 < musikc> will send an email to either -core or -dev and see if ppl want to chat about it on #-pr +20:58 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: you disagree outside the US? +20:58 <@quantumsummers|c> err, nm, we still need to sort out the int'l stuff +20:59 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, International IP law is a rather young field, it seems. +20:59 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, do you guys have the login credentials or do you want me to ask the old store maintainer who is playing with his PS3 presently LOL +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, yes - we want to licence stuff outside the USA. We already have a few agreements and spreadshirt has a deal with gentoo.e.V who were set up before the foundation. +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, hehe. We got the paypal details, I'm not sure about the store +21:01 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, i'll go throw something at wolf then :) +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc thanks +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> 236863 Bylaws Tracker Bug +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 236863 +21:01 < Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/236863 "Tracker Bug for the bylaws of the Gentoo Foundation Inc."; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +21:03 <@fmccor> The comments from musikc and me are more than cosmetic. +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to discuss this or just think about a bylaws update in early Jan 09 ? +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, agreed +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> when do you see they need to come into force ? +21:04 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, i'd like to discuss it. not sure why wait to updat bylaws? +21:04 <@fmccor> The membership changes? Soonish +21:04 < musikc> and can share the devrel draft on the staff section +21:05 < musikc> http://dev.gentoo.org/~rane/staffers.xml +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, please kick off the discussion +21:05 < musikc> i think there are two parts, one is WIP in my eyes, visible by quantumsummers being a dev now +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +21:05 < musikc> we agree that officers and trustees should be eligible to be staffer devs +21:06 < musikc> and want to update some docs to reflect how being a staffer works and what we consider to be staffers +21:06 < musikc> this will avoid ppl from being retired due to inactivity if they work on the foundation as well as allow new foundation roles to have access to appropriate areas, like the foundation page +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> thats very useful +21:07 < musikc> quantumsummers|c is our first but he can comment as to the process. i suspect it went pretty smoothly +21:07 -!- Arfrever [n=Arfrever@gentoo/user/arfrever] has quit [Client Quit] +21:07 <@fmccor> What about current developers like rl03 who are helping the Foundation but have no official title in it? +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to open foundation membership based on merit/interest +21:07 <+rane> we still have to figure out what happens when Foundation appoints someone who Devrel doesn't want to have a @gentoo.org +21:08 <@quantumsummers|c> everything went really nicely +21:08 < musikc> rane, any person that foundation appoints to any role still has to go through recruitment. +21:08 <@fmccor> rane, We'd probably want to know why --- it might influence our decision. +21:09 <+rane> there are people who were removed from gentoo and who retained their foundation memberships +21:09 <+rane> they are a good example for this policy +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> rane, true +21:09 <@fmccor> rane, true. +21:09 < musikc> fmccor, perhaps someone forcibly removed would not be approved to be a dev merely based on their foundation role +21:09 <@fmccor> musikc, rane got it. +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, the project has the last say there +21:10 <+rane> do we have any law stating somebody removed from the project may be subject for removal from the foundation as well? +21:10 <+rane> and why not? :-) +21:10 <@fmccor> No to the first. +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, did you read my long rambling email ? +21:10 < musikc> rane, there is something in bylaws about how foundation may revoke anyones membership +21:11 < musikc> rane, 4.9: Membership may be terminated by a majority vote of the board of trustees in the event that any member acts contrary to the purpose(s) of the Gentoo Foundation. +21:11 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, maybe +21:11 < musikc> LOL +21:11 < musikc> how long was it? i may have skimmed ;) +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, the bit about Indemnification at the end ... +21:12 <@quantumsummers|c> its is likely best practice to have a procedure coupling the project & foundation regarding forcible ejection +21:12 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, hehe, i found it +21:12 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, I think I disagree. +21:13 <@quantumsummers|c> proceed sit +21:13 <@quantumsummers|c> *sir +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, It would be good to share that with devs as soon as possible ... not wait a year or make it optional on voting +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Bylaws Section 12.1. Right to Indemnification for everyone else +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/BylawsAdopted.xml +21:14 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, I don't know that reasons for forcible removal from the project necessarily translate into reasons for removal from the Foundation if the person demonstrates a desire to help the foundation. +21:15 <@quantumsummers|c> yes I can imagine that case, fmccor +21:15 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, honestly that part was too legal imo +21:15 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, At the least, such a person should have the opportunity to make the case to us. +21:15 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +21:15 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, makes me wonder wtf the meaning was when i finish the paragraph +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> One of the council is not a member of the foundation, so gets no benefit from Indemnification of members +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc it means if a member does something daft and gets sued, the foundation takes the hit +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> provided the member acted in good faith (at the time) +21:17 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, you have one sentence with 196 words LOL +21:17 <@quantumsummers|c> that's legalese, nice job Neddy +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, its boiler plate from NM laws +21:17 <@quantumsummers|c> also, it means that if the foundation is sues, the members are not liable +21:17 <@fmccor> musikc, It's boilerplate that someone lifted from something. (No, not from NM, but from mozilla or something like that). +21:17 <@quantumsummers|c> *is sued +21:17 <@quantumsummers|c> wow +21:18 <@fmccor> It's practically unreadable, but it means what NeddySeagoon said. +21:18 < musikc> i understand that it's boiler plate, however its a hard read for our average developer. +21:18 <@fmccor> It's hard to read for anyone. +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, that para is the only benefit to membership +21:18 < musikc> so maybe a small lil note section that says "could be translated to mean ... " +21:19 < musikc> again our average dev age is 20 i think +21:19 < musikc> im 30 and that hurt my head LOL +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, yeah, agreed. +21:19 * fmccor does not know why some lawyers are feel compelled to write like that --- it's easier just to steal something that's known to work than to make it readable. +21:19 <@quantumsummers|c> maybe an executive summary of the bylaws for the devs +21:19 <@fmccor> ^are feel^^feel^ +21:19 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, careful, sounds like you keep getting signed up for more secretary tasks ;) +21:20 <@quantumsummers|c> it does, lol +21:20 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, so what brought up that section 12.1 to discussion? +21:20 < musikc> the fact that jokey isnt covered? +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, if we are going to have an active foundation, I would like all devs to belong as soon as possible. +21:20 <@quantumsummers|c> jookey? +21:21 <@quantumsummers|c> *jokey +21:21 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, some devs, like kingtaco, deliberately avoided being a member +21:21 <@quantumsummers|c> arrrgh +21:21 <@tsunam> bah... +21:21 <@tsunam> so late =/ +21:21 <@quantumsummers|c> hi tsunam +21:21 < musikc> i dont even recall why though LOL +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, one council member, who makes decisions for Gentoo is not a foundation member. If he gets sued, hes on his own +21:21 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, All it says: If the Foundation acts a member to do something, the Foundation will take the hit if legal action results. +21:22 <@fmccor> musikc, NeddySeagoon brought it up. +21:22 <@quantumsummers|c> I understand the point well. I was asking about jokey. +21:22 < musikc> fmccor, yup. i just wasnt sure why LOL thought i may have missed a sentence somewhere :) +21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, so it would be good to invite all devs to join early on +21:23 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, as in remove the 1 year pre-req? +21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, yes +21:23 <@quantumsummers|c> this membership roster is kept someplace? +21:23 * musikc cant think of any problems with that +21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, yes +21:23 <@quantumsummers|c> it appears that I am its keeper, qed role of sec +21:23 * fmccor agrees with it too --- works to everyone's belefit he thinks. +21:23 < musikc> anyone know why jokey isnt a member? +21:23 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, jmbsvicetto has it. +21:23 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, do you need an assistant already :) +21:24 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, If I have it on this system, I'll send it to you. +21:24 < musikc> jmbsvicetto went offline when the meeting started, may want to send him an email +21:24 <@quantumsummers|c> nah, I have interns, of course that is unless someone wants to volunteer +21:24 < musikc> well went offline = said bye ;) +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, hes not voted in a foundation election ... he should be offered though +21:24 <@quantumsummers|c> I'll see what he says about it +21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, we all have the roster - its had one change since the Feb elections +21:25 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, sounds ... well sound to me. perhaps an email to -core to express the interest? +21:25 < musikc> i think we should still make it optional but explain that there are legal reasons ppl should consider it +21:26 <@fmccor> quantumsummers|c, I don't. Remind me tomorrow and I can send it to you if no one else does. +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> We need the trustees to agree on the principle first ... otherwise, agreed +21:26 <@quantumsummers|c> that is reasonable, can't force them +21:26 < musikc> ahhhh +21:26 * musikc found out why kingtaco didnt want to be a member +21:26 <@tsunam> oh? +21:26 < musikc> he didnt want to sign the copywrite infringement thing +21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, whats that ? +21:27 < musikc> s/infringement/assignment +21:27 < musikc> the thing that says your work belongs to Gentoo +21:28 <@quantumsummers|c> hmm, gentoo is all gplv2 correct? +21:28 < musikc> i believe foundation stopped enforcing it a while ago, but he never wanted to join in case it was later brought back +21:28 <@quantumsummers|c> or creative commons attributuin +21:28 <@fmccor> Foundation doesn't enforce it so far as I know. +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, before the foundation, it was drobbins Gentoo Technologies Inc ... +21:29 < musikc> foundation USED to enforce it. kingtaco said he wouldnt sign hence wouldnt join. foundation stopped enforcing it and he never joined 'just in case' +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> It looks like we need to vote on scrapping the 1 year qualifying period for foundation membership ... +21:29 <@fmccor> It's not a requirement for membership now. +21:30 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, That's a bylaws change, I'd support it. +21:30 < musikc> hehe, i didnt say you guys would like it. just that i found out. :-P +21:30 -!- jokey [n=jokey@gentoo/developer/jokey] has joined #gentoo-trustees +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, dmwaters tsunam ... thoughts, votes ... ? +21:30 * musikc poked jokey re: his membership interest +21:31 <@tsunam> about changing membership from being a year to much less? +21:31 * jokey is interested +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> to on being appointed as a dev +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> optional ... +21:31 * jokey notes to never have opted out though +21:31 <@tsunam> hmm +21:31 <@tsunam> I no strong oposition to it +21:31 < musikc> jokey, old/current requirements are you have to actually vote in elections to become a member +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> jokey, you have to opt in by voting in a trustee election (just now) +21:31 < musikc> however trustees are voting to say all devs should be able to be members UNLESS they opt out +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> dmwaters, ?? +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, nope ... it would be optional on becomming a dev +21:32 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, so they have to ask nicely for it? +21:32 < musikc> new devs are always nice ;-) +21:32 < jokey> NeddySeagoon: ohkey, that seemed to have changed then as last time I talked about that to g2boojum all devs with +1year devship were foundation members automatically +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, we put the appication form in their dev welcome pack :) +21:33 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, It's something like a new section --- 4.5 Any active developer is eligible for membership by petitioning the trustees and .... +21:33 < musikc> wtf, i didnt get a dev welcome pack :( +21:33 <@quantumsummers|c> this membership needs to be more verbose/explicit +21:33 < musikc> jokey, it is, IMO, in your best interest that you look into becoming a member ASAP for legal coverage +21:33 * quantumsummers|c sends musikc a welcome basket of fruit & wine +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, theres a pile beside the dev lounge whippy ice cream machine :) +21:34 < musikc> see, i told you new devs are always nice :) +21:34 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, ya but rane ate it all so i didnt bother poking around :-P +21:35 * jokey wants a dev welcome pack and a form for signing up as foundation member as well +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, can you add some words to the tracker bug please, as we are agreed to carry this forward +21:35 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Yes. +21:35 * quantumsummers|c hands out another welcome pack +21:35 < musikc> jokey, i think you'll want to follow this bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236863 +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> anything else on our bylaws tracker ? +21:36 < musikc> not at present. the bug stays open for new bylaws questions? +21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> musikc, yes ... until we update the bylaws, then we close that bug and start another +21:37 < musikc> NeddySeagoon, im behind on my -nfp reading tbh +21:37 < musikc> been a bit busy +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> moving on ... 5 Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 +21:37 <@quantumsummers|c> anyone mind if I step away for 5 mins? +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, your turn +21:37 <@quantumsummers|c> oh, nm +21:38 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: awaiting paperwork from capital one, +21:38 <@tsunam> need to update our irs info so that I can get a copy of the ss-4/ other paperwork to send to the bank in question +21:38 <@tsunam> paypal is a pain in the ass... +21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> updates to the quarterly reports page ? +21:39 <@quantumsummers|c> where is that? +21:39 <@tsunam> been trying to get the reports from paypal..but the system's been down +21:39 <@tsunam> everytime I've tried (5 times at least this week) +21:39 <@tsunam> the report system +21:39 <@tsunam> not paypal +21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/funds.xml links at the bottom +21:40 <@quantumsummers|c> musikc: does the store put $ into paypal? +21:40 <@quantumsummers|c> or how does that work? +21:40 <@tsunam> quantumsummers|c: no +21:40 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks NeddySeagoon +21:40 <@tsunam> quantumsummers|c: doesn't go directly to paypal +21:41 <@quantumsummers|c> tsunam: ok, bank then, direct deposit +21:41 <@tsunam> quantumsummers|c: still working on the bank +21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, have you contacted paypal to confirm its their problem? +21:41 <@tsunam> and unknown if it can direct deposit +21:41 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: yep +21:41 <@tsunam> "we're working on it"" +21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, heh... like the cheque is in the post :) +21:41 <@quantumsummers|c> want me to crawl up their arse about this, I'd enjoy that. +21:41 <@tsunam> quantumsummers|c: nah +21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, look loke you can't do much more +21:42 <@tsunam> quantumsummers|c: they've already had enough bitching from me, and I've gone up to their 3rd tier support :( +21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> like* +21:42 <@quantumsummers|c> ah, ok tsunam +21:42 <@tsunam> on the reports plus their incompentent abilities with banks +21:42 * quantumsummers|c is not surprised +21:42 * NeddySeagoon does not have paypal +21:43 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I hard ever use mine so..and with good reason +21:43 * fmccor adds a proposed Section 4.5 to the tracker bug which allows andy developer to become a Foundation member by asking for it. +21:43 < musikc> back, ran out of lemonade ;) +21:43 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, lets move on ... +21:43 <@NeddySeagoon> 6. # While we do not have a policy on international merchandise, we have a number of applications to consider +21:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Tee Shirts for .cz ... they are offering 10% of the gross selling price, or $2 each to us +21:44 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, we need to check on the store $. it USED to be setup so paypal wrote a check that was mailed to grant +21:45 <@quantumsummers|c> ah, ok musikc +21:45 < musikc> re: paypal... ive used them for years and honestly never had problems :( +21:46 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, cafepress does offer direct to paypal though +21:46 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +21:47 <@tsunam> musikc: They've restricted the gentoo account 5 times in the last year +21:47 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: are you talking about gentoo.cz ? +21:47 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, do we get in a mess with international licencing if we approve things piecemeal before we have leagal advice ? +21:47 <@fmccor> No, I don't think so. +21:47 < musikc> tsunam, oh i understand, just stating why it surprises me. even wolf had problems with his account being hijacked once and paypal put it all back rather quickly. +21:48 <@tsunam> musikc: *nods* +21:48 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, its from emtom.cz +21:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Tee Shirts for .cz ... they are offering 10% of the gross selling price, or $2 each to us +21:49 <@quantumsummers|c> ah, to make the shirts +21:49 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +21:49 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds like a winner +21:49 <@NeddySeagoon> 10% sounds ok too +21:50 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, dmwaters fmccor ... ok with this ? +21:50 <@quantumsummers|c> $20 a pop +21:50 <@quantumsummers|c> hmm +21:50 <@tsunam> sure +21:50 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, Main thing is that they have to mention someplace on their site that Gentoo is a trademark of the Gentoo foundation. +21:51 <@fmccor> And yes, I'm OK with it. +21:51 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, yes +21:51 <@NeddySeagoon> dmwaters, ^^ +21:51 <@dmwaters> i'm ok with it +21:51 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: ? +21:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, what ? +21:52 <@quantumsummers|c> just asking for your vote +21:52 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote yes +21:52 <@quantumsummers|c> & recording them +21:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Nomally I have a casting vote, and don't vote unless its needed +21:52 <@quantumsummers|c> I see +21:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Projektfarm GmbH artwork use ... want to put our logo on a teaser ... its a very small link and they cannot comply with the notice requirement on out web page to have the attribution on the same page as the logo +21:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want to change the way we require attribution ? +21:54 <@fmccor> Can they put it someplace? +21:55 <@quantumsummers|c> what about the alt tect +21:55 <@quantumsummers|c> text +21:56 <@NeddySeagoon> on another page. Other copyright holders appear to waive the attribution requirement for very small logos, others still have a second logo with reduced requirements +21:57 -!- mpagano [n=mpagano@gentoo/developer/mpagano] has quit ["Goodbye, all"] +21:57 <@fmccor> I think we just need it someplace. +21:57 <@NeddySeagoon> see Re: Logo/Artwork Usage 2008.08.24 +21:58 <@NeddySeagoon> on trustees@ +21:58 < musikc> fmccor, maybe another page off the foundation page? +21:59 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, on the page the link points to perhaps ? +22:01 <@fmccor> That's fine with me. +22:01 <@NeddySeagoon> heres the problem http://www.howtoforge.com/ they want to use logos to the left of the distro names +22:01 <@NeddySeagoon> replacing the current buttons +22:02 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, dmwaters ^^ +22:02 <@quantumsummers|c> alt text would be appropriate in that case imo +22:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, alt text ? +22:03 <@tsunam> basically you hover and the text appears +22:03 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +22:03 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, what he said +22:03 <@fmccor> I have no problem with it. +22:03 <@NeddySeagoon> alt txt and on the target page then ? +22:04 <@quantumsummers|c> they should be using alt text anyway for w3c compliance +22:04 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, you happy with one, the other ... +22:04 <@NeddySeagoon> dmwaters, ^^ +22:04 <@tsunam> either would work +22:05 <@fmccor> It's to our advantage, after all. +22:05 <@dmwaters> I'd go with alt text if i'm following this correctly +22:05 <@fmccor> alt text is good. +22:05 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, so we want our copyright notice in the image alt txt ? +22:05 <@fmccor> Yes +22:05 <@dmwaters> nod +22:06 <@quantumsummers|c> like this www.gentoo.org - logo is trademark of gentoo foundation +22:06 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +22:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, it will be whatever text our website requires now +22:06 <@quantumsummers|c> very well +22:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, or we have to fix the site ... we should probably do that anyway to add the alt txt thing +22:08 <@NeddySeagoon> others may want to follow +22:08 <@quantumsummers|c> indeed +22:08 <@NeddySeagoon> 7 Foundation Membership by Application +22:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we covered that - its been added to the bug +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> 8 Any other business. +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> dmwaters, Any other business ? +22:09 <@dmwaters> not that i can think of +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ^^^ +22:09 <@tsunam> nope +22:09 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, ? +22:10 <@fmccor> No. I added the petition thing it to the bug, a proposed new section 4.5 --- It might take another sentence, then we should just vote on it. +22:10 <+rane> what about rl03? does his level of involvement justify him being upgraded to a foundation officer or should he be retired from gentoo due to his inactivity? +22:10 <@NeddySeagoon> we should try to do that for next meeting +22:11 <@quantumsummers|c> I wish to propose an artwork contest. musikc does too, if I read her mind right. I will post to the trustees list, &/or -nfp for discussion. +22:11 <@NeddySeagoon> fmccor, care to answer rane +22:11 <+rane> i'm asking cause he's probably waiting for your reply to the mail i've forwarded to you guys +22:11 <@fmccor> rane, I think as long as he's actively helping us, that qualifies for staff developer. +22:11 <+rane> and it's been a couple of days already +22:11 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, dont we have an artwork project? +22:11 <+rane> but is he actively helping? +22:11 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, contest +22:11 <@fmccor> rane, Yes. +22:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, -nfp if you want ideas from the community, trustees@ if it needs shaping first +22:11 <+rane> is he officially appointed? +22:12 <@fmccor> rane, He's providing us with introductions to people we need to talk with. +22:12 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, no, i recall i think it was cla that worked on it +22:12 < musikc> there was some contest a while back +22:12 <@NeddySeagoon> rane, no yet, no +22:12 <+rane> the only valid basis for a staffing accounts so far was official appointment as an officer (quantumsummers) +22:12 < musikc> i need to look to find the project +22:12 <+rane> if he's not appointed, i'm unsure whether he's eligible for a staffer account in gentoo +22:12 <@tsunam> fmccor: i respecfully disagree with you there +22:12 <@tsunam> I don't think its enough to be a developer still +22:12 <@fmccor> rane, Not right now, after all, at the moment he is a developer. +22:12 <@dmwaters> rane: userrel and devrel people could as staffers why can't rl3 +22:13 <@dmwaters> count +22:13 <@NeddySeagoon> rane, can we postpone this discussion until October ? +22:13 <@fmccor> tsunam, if he gets upset and declines to help us, we lose, not him. +22:13 <+rane> fmccor, he would be retired if it wasn't for his involvement with the foundation since he has no activity in the project for months +22:13 <+rane> no commits for past 8 months +22:13 <@tsunam> fmccor: and being staff avoids that how? +22:13 <@tsunam> fmccor: theres no logic in that +22:13 <+rane> can we postpone? why not +22:13 <+rane> just please tell him that :-) +22:14 <+rane> cause he's waiting for a response from gentoo +22:14 < musikc> tsunam, the guy said, iirc, that he'd help IF he got to keep his address +22:14 <@fmccor> tsunam, He said he wanted to remain a developer because he was helping the foundation. +22:14 <@NeddySeagoon> rane, he has no official foundation office today but it might be good not to retire hime just now too +22:14 <+rane> i forwarded his mail to trustees@ +22:14 <@fmccor> I can't see telling him that no, we're retiring him but we still need his help. +22:15 <@tsunam> musikc: then that's a talk with infra about keeping a forward for him +22:15 <@tsunam> more then anything +22:15 <@tsunam> *points to daniel as an example of a perm forward* +22:15 < musikc> hmmm... that makes sense +22:15 < musikc> does he need to keep developer status or just want that email address? +22:15 <@tsunam> no need to be staff +22:15 <+rane> we have trouble cleaning perm forwards already +22:15 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, can we postpone until our next meeting ? menawhile nothing changes +22:16 <@tsunam> point being...I've yet to see a valid reason he needs to have the developer title +22:16 <+rane> i don't know if infra will agree to give them to people easily +22:16 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: sure +22:16 <@fmccor> tsunam, what's the harm? He's a developer now --- just don't retire him at the moment. +22:16 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, we will postpone with rl03 until the October meeting +22:16 <+rane> his project involvement certainly isn't taht reason, if his foundation involvement isn't either then he just should be retired +22:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of next meeting +22:17 <+rane> fair enough, it waited half a year already, can wait a few weeks more +22:17 <@tsunam> fmccor: lots of reasons...and your response is the same as if I would say..whats the harm in retiring him but allowing him to keep @gentoo address... he can still help as he see's fit +22:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Its either Sunday 19 Oct, or Mon 20th, do we want a Sun or Mon ? +22:17 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/artwork/index.xml +22:17 <@dmwaters> sunday +22:18 <@fmccor> Don't much care. +22:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Sunday ? +22:18 <@tsunam> sure +22:19 <@quantumsummers|c> musikc: I was thinking more for t-shirts than wallpapers, etc. +22:19 <@NeddySeagoon> DONM Sunday 19 Oct, 1900 UTC (thats my birthday :( ) +22:19 <@quantumsummers|c> though it could be both +22:19 <@dmwaters> NeddySeagoon: hehe +22:20 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, i understand except think it'd be worthwhile to find people who may already have an expressed interest +22:20 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, you are right musikc +22:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Last Item ... 9. Open floor +22:20 <@quantumsummers|c> will contact & CC musikc +22:20 < musikc> quantumsummers|c, contact who? +22:20 <@quantumsummers|c> the artwork folks +22:20 < musikc> heh, i already have welp in IM ;) +22:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Oh, I have one more item ... +22:21 <@quantumsummers|c> well, feel free to ask him +22:21 <@fmccor> NeddySeagoon, ? +22:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to table a motion to wish tsunam happy birthday tommow +22:22 <@tsunam> thanks +22:22 <@quantumsummers|c> hey, three cheers for tsunam +22:22 <@dmwaters> tsunam: happy birthday +22:22 <@fmccor> tsunam, Enjoy. +22:22 <@tsunam> will try +22:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats only an 1:30 min away here +22:23 <@tsunam> hehe +22:23 <@tsunam> few hours for me +22:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for Open Floor ? +22:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Meeting closed ... thanks everyone diff --git a/2009/11Jan2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2009/11Jan2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6a9f1f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/2009/11Jan2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,486 @@ +(01/11/2009 01:00:57 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +(01/11/2009 01:01:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, +(01/11/2009 01:01:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, can you call tsunam please +(01/11/2009 01:01:53 PM) fmccor: Yes +(01/11/2009 01:01:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks +(01/11/2009 01:03:08 PM) fmccor: On his way +(01/11/2009 01:03:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: ta +(01/11/2009 01:04:00 PM) fmccor: He forgot it was Sunday. :) +(01/11/2009 01:04:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: It must be the beer :) +(01/11/2009 01:04:28 PM) quantumsummers|c: what day did he think it was? +(01/11/2009 01:04:29 PM) fmccor: :) +(01/11/2009 01:04:41 PM) fmccor: That he didn't say. +(01/11/2009 01:05:14 PM) tsunam: some day other then sunday :-P +(01/11/2009 01:05:29 PM) quantumsummers|c: hi tsunam! +(01/11/2009 01:05:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: Welcome tsunam +(01/11/2009 01:05:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: Now we are quorate, we can start. Item 2 +(01/11/2009 01:05:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: Actions From the Last Meeting +(01/11/2009 01:05:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: Gentoo Foundation Banking - tsunam +(01/11/2009 01:06:28 PM) tsunam: I contacted the irs again, to get the proper ident form sent to me. I've yet to recieve it so that the bank account can be completed +(01/11/2009 01:07:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: next .. Certified Public Accountant - quantumsummers +(01/11/2009 01:07:55 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok, so we need as complete a financial history as possible +(01/11/2009 01:07:59 PM) tsunam: yep +(01/11/2009 01:08:01 PM) tsunam: working on it +(01/11/2009 01:08:04 PM) quantumsummers|c: thanks +(01/11/2009 01:08:25 PM) quantumsummers|c: we can start with the recent stuff first so we can get the taxes taken care of for 08 +(01/11/2009 01:08:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, care to give us a completion date ? +(01/11/2009 01:08:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, when do we have to file for '08 ? +(01/11/2009 01:09:19 PM) quantumsummers|c: also, I have received some comments from entities interested in seeing gentoo with 501c3 status with the irs +(01/11/2009 01:09:32 PM) quantumsummers|c: also willing to assist with the cost on that +(01/11/2009 01:09:56 PM) quantumsummers|c: would be a really good idea to get that going & set up this year, it takes about 9 monthys +(01/11/2009 01:09:59 PM) quantumsummers|c: *months +(01/11/2009 01:09:59 PM) tsunam: hmm, they've even further restricted the log history downloading due to lack of bank account =| +(01/11/2009 01:10:14 PM) quantumsummers|c: who, paypal? +(01/11/2009 01:10:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, can you share those on the alias please, it may not be approprate to air it in public yet +(01/11/2009 01:10:27 PM) quantumsummers|c: sure can +(01/11/2009 01:10:47 PM) quantumsummers|c: it would help gentoo foundation grow to have 501c3 +(01/11/2009 01:10:51 PM) fmccor: Is there any way at all to get the IRS to move on this? It's just a piece of paper and everyone has all the information. +(01/11/2009 01:11:19 PM) fmccor: (I mean form for the bank account. Not having one restricts us.) +(01/11/2009 01:11:23 PM) tsunam: fmccor: wish there was but I don't think there is +(01/11/2009 01:11:47 PM) fmccor: Do they say what the hold-up is? +(01/11/2009 01:12:13 PM) fmccor: They must say something when we ask. +(01/11/2009 01:12:17 PM) tsunam: I requested the form and they said they would send it +(01/11/2009 01:12:26 PM) quantumsummers|c: can they fax the form? +(01/11/2009 01:13:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, just need to nag, so the get fed up with calls/emails +(01/11/2009 01:14:10 PM) quantumsummers|c: to continue with the cpa topic, it might be helpful to have tsunam on a conference call with the cpa sometime before the end of the month +(01/11/2009 01:14:14 PM) tsunam: quantumsummers|c: no they can't +(01/11/2009 01:14:31 PM) quantumsummers|c: would you be able to be on a call tsunam? +(01/11/2009 01:14:36 PM) tsunam: quantumsummers|c: sure +(01/11/2009 01:14:40 PM) quantumsummers|c: I can arrange it of course +(01/11/2009 01:14:55 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok, I will email around the info +(01/11/2009 01:15:22 PM) quantumsummers|c: might just be easier to have you ( tsunam) explain the situation to her +(01/11/2009 01:15:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: That sounds good - there could be some progress even before the IRS puts the paperwork in the post +(01/11/2009 01:15:23 PM) fmccor: Maybe your CPA has a magic way in to the IRS. :) +(01/11/2009 01:15:28 PM) quantumsummers|c: perhaps +(01/11/2009 01:15:41 PM) quantumsummers|c: she is rahter nice-no-nonsense +(01/11/2009 01:15:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: What is the deadline for us to make our filing for 2008 ? +(01/11/2009 01:15:46 PM) quantumsummers|c: *rather +(01/11/2009 01:16:02 PM) quantumsummers|c: april 15 I think, unless we file for an extension +(01/11/2009 01:16:06 PM) tsunam: *nods* +(01/11/2009 01:16:08 PM) quantumsummers|c: which is 6 months +(01/11/2009 01:16:11 PM) tsunam: its same as personal +(01/11/2009 01:16:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe ... here its 31 Jan +(01/11/2009 01:16:25 PM) fmccor: Er, 4 months +(01/11/2009 01:16:27 PM) quantumsummers|c: the extension must be postmarked april 15 +(01/11/2009 01:16:38 PM) quantumsummers|c: the extension is 6 months +(01/11/2009 01:16:53 PM) fmccor: OH. I misread +(01/11/2009 01:17:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: we should make that but we don't want to go right to the wire +(01/11/2009 01:17:01 PM) quantumsummers|c: I wasn't clear +(01/11/2009 01:17:21 PM) quantumsummers|c: yes, I am trying to get everything together by Feb 1 +(01/11/2009 01:17:35 PM) quantumsummers|c: this CPA does my stuff too +(01/11/2009 01:17:55 PM) quantumsummers|c: btwn my wife & I we have 4 companies +(01/11/2009 01:18:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: we need our financials up to date this month then ? +(01/11/2009 01:18:16 PM) quantumsummers|c: well, as much as possible +(01/11/2009 01:18:35 PM) quantumsummers|c: she has said that she can assist us with getting things in order +(01/11/2009 01:19:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, do you have all the information you need from PayPal ? +(01/11/2009 01:19:06 PM) quantumsummers|c: like I said, if we can get all of 2008 in, that will be a really good start +(01/11/2009 01:19:31 PM) quantumsummers|c: long term is to have entire financial history' +(01/11/2009 01:19:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, we need that for ourselves +(01/11/2009 01:19:54 PM) quantumsummers|c: of course +(01/11/2009 01:19:56 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: from paypal for? +(01/11/2009 01:20:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, to construct our income history +(01/11/2009 01:20:30 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: yeah I can, but its become much more of a pain in the arse +(01/11/2009 01:20:50 PM) quantumsummers|c: I & the cpa can help tsunam +(01/11/2009 01:21:00 PM) quantumsummers|c: err, the CPA & I +(01/11/2009 01:21:20 PM) ***quantumsummers|c kicks grammar police inside his head +(01/11/2009 01:21:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, it may be a topic for discussion with the CPA, perhaps they have some leverage +(01/11/2009 01:21:35 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: with paypal? doubtful +(01/11/2009 01:21:54 PM) quantumsummers|c: they have people whose job is to call the irs +(01/11/2009 01:21:57 PM) tsunam: I'll see if I can contact them to get a full history download sent to me though +(01/11/2009 01:22:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, if you need some help sorting out the mess, once you have the data, I'll help +(01/11/2009 01:22:53 PM) tsunam: NeddySeagoon: I have the data...can't get it into a format that makes it easy for others to help with +(01/11/2009 01:23:02 PM) quantumsummers|c: what is the format? +(01/11/2009 01:23:05 PM) tsunam: because its stuck in paypal's account history only +(01/11/2009 01:23:10 PM) tsunam: which I can't download now +(01/11/2009 01:23:14 PM) quantumsummers|c: html or something? +(01/11/2009 01:23:14 PM) tsunam: since they've restricted it further +(01/11/2009 01:23:38 PM) tsunam: I've just really grown to hate paypal honestly :( +(01/11/2009 01:23:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, email me the file(s) let me have a look +(01/11/2009 01:23:53 PM) quantumsummers|c: cc me too please +(01/11/2009 01:24:10 PM) tsunam: I'm looking at the html +(01/11/2009 01:24:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, you should have my public key +(01/11/2009 01:24:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok ... lets move on +(01/11/2009 01:24:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fix name and address on IPR/trademark documents, 31 Aug 2008 meeting authorised the $200 fees - fmccor +(01/11/2009 01:25:00 PM) fmccor: I believe we're waiting on the PTO (patent & trademark office) +(01/11/2009 01:25:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, is it worth poking them ? +(01/11/2009 01:25:21 PM) fmccor: Lawyer is supposed to have that in motion and will bill us when it's done. +(01/11/2009 01:25:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: next .. +(01/11/2009 01:25:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: Send friendly cease and desist emails to copyright infringers spotted on cafepress - quantumsummers +(01/11/2009 01:25:49 PM) fmccor: No, all I could do is poke the lawyer. +(01/11/2009 01:26:03 PM) ***quantumsummers|c tattoos this on his eyelids so he sees it every time he blinks. +(01/11/2009 01:26:04 PM) fragalot is now known as fragalot` +(01/11/2009 01:26:06 PM) fmccor: PTO is no faster than IRS. :) +(01/11/2009 01:26:13 PM) quantumsummers|c: prob slower +(01/11/2009 01:26:15 PM) fragalot` is now known as fragalot +(01/11/2009 01:26:42 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, I believe she estimated about 6 months --- I can go back and look... +(01/11/2009 01:26:43 PM) tsunam: lol +(01/11/2009 01:27:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: lol I'll move this to actions waiting then ... you can surprise us one day +(01/11/2009 01:27:20 PM) quantumsummers|c: I have added the recent infringing entities revealed in emails to trustees to the list +(01/11/2009 01:27:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, thanks +(01/11/2009 01:27:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda Item 2 Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +(01/11/2009 01:28:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: 217511 The Gentoo Store is Out of Date - musikc +(01/11/2009 01:28:02 PM) quantumsummers|c: before this gets going +(01/11/2009 01:28:08 PM) quantumsummers|c: sorry +(01/11/2009 01:28:14 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I'll check status in a month if we haven't heard by then. +(01/11/2009 01:28:46 PM) quantumsummers|c: I was wondering if I should add the trustees to the CC on this Bug 254249 +(01/11/2009 01:28:48 PM) Willikins: quantumsummers|c: https://bugs.gentoo.org/254249 "Tracking a conversation & doc regarding website redesign"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; quantumsummers@g.o:pr@g.o +(01/11/2009 01:29:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: musikc added some things but we need a long term maintainer, thats why this action is still open +(01/11/2009 01:29:26 PM) quantumsummers|c: comprookie2000 has expressed some interest in helping with the store +(01/11/2009 01:29:48 PM) quantumsummers|c: via email to trustees@ +(01/11/2009 01:30:10 PM) quantumsummers|c: might be nice to give musikc some extra help +(01/11/2009 01:30:23 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, He's here ---- comprookie2000 ^^^^^ +(01/11/2009 01:30:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep ... pass the info to musikc. She can discuss with comprookie2000 directly +(01/11/2009 01:30:58 PM) quantumsummers|c: very well +(01/11/2009 01:32:17 PM) tsunam: quantumsummers|c: you should have a mail from me, re: financials I have had in csv format +(01/11/2009 01:32:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, on your bug, AllenJB posted a test site ... I'm not sure if its mentioned there. There is a forums thread about it +(01/11/2009 01:32:34 PM) quantumsummers|c: excellent tsunam, thanks +(01/11/2009 01:33:11 PM) tsunam: quantumsummers|c: let me know if you can't unencrypt the file though +(01/11/2009 01:33:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c by all means add trustees@ as a cc, we do have an interest after all +(01/11/2009 01:33:37 PM) quantumsummers|c: NeddySeagoon: roger that good buddy +(01/11/2009 01:34:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: next bug ... 224689 Request for Reimbusement for legal fees to lawyer +(01/11/2009 01:34:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: can that be closed ? +(01/11/2009 01:34:13 PM) fmccor: Isn't this done? +(01/11/2009 01:34:35 PM) tsunam: *looks* +(01/11/2009 01:34:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, it seems he didn't bill us for some work +(01/11/2009 01:34:55 PM) tsunam: no no sadly not :( I can't send more then 500 bucks a month..so +(01/11/2009 01:35:06 PM) fmccor: No, he billed us for everything. He didn't bill us for fixing a mistake he made. +(01/11/2009 01:35:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: so it stays open ? +(01/11/2009 01:35:30 PM) tsunam: so in otherwords, I've not paid myself back yet +(01/11/2009 01:35:35 PM) tsunam: so yes it needs to stay open +(01/11/2009 01:35:44 PM) tsunam: again issues with paypal limited access :( +(01/11/2009 01:35:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, pay yourself in two installments then +(01/11/2009 01:36:14 PM) quantumsummers|c: we have __got__ to get a bank account +(01/11/2009 01:36:28 PM) fmccor: ++ that +(01/11/2009 01:36:30 PM) antarus: er, we don't have a bank account yet? :) +(01/11/2009 01:36:33 PM) tsunam: I could do that, If I reacall I have to add a credit card etc to associate my address with myself which isn't a big deal for me +(01/11/2009 01:36:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, its something to think about +(01/11/2009 01:37:12 PM) tsunam: antarus: nope...not yet sadly.. irs fun dealing with for getting our EIN form...if we didnt "lose" that we'd of had it long ago +(01/11/2009 01:37:22 PM) quantumsummers|c: antarus: the irs is slowing things down, so if you know someone ... +(01/11/2009 01:37:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: 234705 Document of being an active developer ... council moved this to us +(01/11/2009 01:37:44 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, Eventually we might open a personal account reserved for gentoo use or something. These banks + IRS are truly ridiculous. +(01/11/2009 01:37:45 PM) quantumsummers|c: have google call the irs for us +(01/11/2009 01:38:13 PM) tsunam: lol +(01/11/2009 01:38:21 PM) quantumsummers|c: I caqn fly down to New Mexico or something +(01/11/2009 01:38:34 PM) quantumsummers|c: can Mr. Chew assist at all in this? +(01/11/2009 01:38:35 PM) ***NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel +(01/11/2009 01:38:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: 234705 Document of being an active developer ... council moved this to us +(01/11/2009 01:39:02 PM) tsunam: quantumsummers|c: its really a matter of just getting the ein official form in my hands so we can fax that all off to the bank +(01/11/2009 01:39:10 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, No, he gave us the same number into the IRS that tsunam already had, and he's not a tax attorney. +(01/11/2009 01:39:21 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, This is really something for a CPA +(01/11/2009 01:39:26 PM) tsunam: its really just the form is needed +(01/11/2009 01:39:28 PM) tsunam: its that simmple +(01/11/2009 01:39:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm happy that the foundation should do this for foundation members ... +(01/11/2009 01:39:40 PM) antarus: google does owe gentoo 2500$ :) +(01/11/2009 01:39:42 PM) tsunam: and I had to change the mailing address for the foundation with the IRS as well +(01/11/2009 01:39:46 PM) tsunam: if you all recall +(01/11/2009 01:39:53 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(01/11/2009 01:40:04 PM) tsunam: because it was at Daniels old address as well +(01/11/2009 01:40:14 PM) tsunam: that took ~2 months for the government to change +(01/11/2009 01:40:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes, I remember +(01/11/2009 01:40:28 PM) fmccor: And he declined to remain the agent. +fmccor fmccor|work +(01/11/2009 01:41:14 PM) quantumsummers|c: fmccor daniel did? +(01/11/2009 01:42:13 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, Long ago I invited him to remain our agent, but he declined. +(01/11/2009 01:42:18 PM) quantumsummers|c: I see +(01/11/2009 01:42:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok, next bug +(01/11/2009 01:42:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: 234705 Document of being an active developer ... council moved this to us +(01/11/2009 01:42:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm happy that the foundation should do this for foundation members ... +(01/11/2009 01:42:53 PM) quantumsummers|c: its very good +(01/11/2009 01:43:32 PM) quantumsummers|c: the certificate is a nice idea +(01/11/2009 01:43:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its akin to a reference for a job +(01/11/2009 01:43:38 PM) ***quantumsummers|c is looking at it now +(01/11/2009 01:43:52 PM) quantumsummers|c: http://dev.gentoo.org/~araujo/gcert1.pdf if anyone is interested +(01/11/2009 01:44:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: It could be signed by one of the trustees +(01/11/2009 01:44:52 PM) quantumsummers|c: yes +(01/11/2009 01:45:07 PM) quantumsummers|c: one could easily do a digital sig with a tablet +(01/11/2009 01:45:15 PM) quantumsummers|c: that6 sould be sufficient +(01/11/2009 01:45:52 PM) quantumsummers|c: if really necessary a pgp sig could be placed in fine print too (signing the file) +(01/11/2009 01:45:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: Would most employers be able to verify a digital signature ? +(01/11/2009 01:46:08 PM) quantumsummers|c: I just meant a graphic +(01/11/2009 01:46:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: Ah, ok +(01/11/2009 01:46:20 PM) antarus: I imagine most employers would rather contact Gentoo +(01/11/2009 01:46:25 PM) quantumsummers|c: indeed +(01/11/2009 01:46:25 PM) antarus: than verify some crazy sig +(01/11/2009 01:46:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: antarus, true +(01/11/2009 01:47:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: I don't have a problem with signing and posting a paper document +(01/11/2009 01:47:43 PM) quantumsummers|c: pres or secretary should sign +(01/11/2009 01:47:46 PM) quantumsummers|c: :) +(01/11/2009 01:47:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: heh ok +(01/11/2009 01:48:21 PM) quantumsummers|c: do we sign with our nicks>? +(01/11/2009 01:48:37 PM) quantumsummers|c: prob not a bad thing if so +(01/11/2009 01:48:41 PM) fmccor: Name+nick I would think +(01/11/2009 01:48:47 PM) quantumsummers|c: very nice +(01/11/2009 01:48:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: What do we do with this bug, adopt the cert as is and sign in ink ? +(01/11/2009 01:49:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: real name and nick +(01/11/2009 01:49:16 PM) quantumsummers|c: can use a wacom tablet or similar to produce sig image +(01/11/2009 01:49:23 PM) quantumsummers|c: paste it in +(01/11/2009 01:49:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, I would rather use a real pen, with ink +(01/11/2009 01:49:51 PM) ***quantumsummers|c doesn't like the font on the cert, but ... +(01/11/2009 01:49:58 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok NeddySeagoon, sounds good +(01/11/2009 01:50:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: so whats the comment on the bug from today ? +(01/11/2009 01:50:30 PM) quantumsummers|c: so that would incur a postage fee, sending it to Scotland & then to whomever +(01/11/2009 01:50:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, print it here, sign and post ... its would not be a lot +(01/11/2009 01:51:09 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok :) +(01/11/2009 01:51:33 PM) quantumsummers|c: would that be automatic or on a per request basis +(01/11/2009 01:51:46 PM) quantumsummers|c: every dev gets one, or only those who ask> +(01/11/2009 01:51:47 PM) quantumsummers|c: ? +(01/11/2009 01:52:03 PM) fmccor: Ask, surely. +(01/11/2009 01:52:06 PM) quantumsummers|c: kk +(01/11/2009 01:52:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: Only those that ask and provide verifiable evidence for checking ... like ask the project leads +(01/11/2009 01:53:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'll write something on the bug +(01/11/2009 01:53:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: next +(01/11/2009 01:53:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: 45227 budget limit for infra repairs +(01/11/2009 01:53:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: We don't want another Osprey +(01/11/2009 01:53:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: did robbat2 make a proposal ? +(01/11/2009 01:54:12 PM) quantumsummers|c: not that I have heard about, I did talk to him about this & he said he would work on it +(01/11/2009 01:54:25 PM) quantumsummers|c: from what I gather, there are 2 machines needed +(01/11/2009 01:54:30 PM) fmccor: I thought he was awaiting financial information from us, which requires a bank accound because Grant is sitting on quite a lot of our money. +(01/11/2009 01:54:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: This bug is for maintainance, not new hardware +(01/11/2009 01:55:00 PM) quantumsummers|c: one for the git based services & another for tree signing +(01/11/2009 01:55:11 PM) quantumsummers|c: big & small respectively +(01/11/2009 01:55:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: comes back to a bank account again ... +(01/11/2009 01:55:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: next bug +(01/11/2009 01:55:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: Gentoo Store - Add Case stickers, badges +(01/11/2009 01:56:03 PM) quantumsummers|c: ++ +(01/11/2009 01:56:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: a request in the email +(01/11/2009 01:56:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: I suppose it should go on the existing store bug +(01/11/2009 01:57:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 4 Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 +(01/11/2009 01:57:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, any progress? +(01/11/2009 01:58:15 PM) tsunam: not currently +(01/11/2009 01:58:22 PM) tsunam: I need to fix the 4th quarter as well +(01/11/2009 01:58:42 PM) tsunam: and without downloading the quarterly possibility, it'll be slow going +(01/11/2009 01:58:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: yeah +(01/11/2009 01:59:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 5 Foundation Knowledge Management Needs - quantumsummers keep it brief please +(01/11/2009 01:59:31 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok :) I have a few simple apps that I will setup for us to use while I work this out with infra, all login only via ssl. Main app is for maintaining the membership list easily. I will have that up this week. +(01/11/2009 02:00:00 PM) quantumsummers|c: once infra gives go-ahead we can hook into ldap +(01/11/2009 02:00:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok ... I think we have 203 members +(01/11/2009 02:00:35 PM) quantumsummers|c: will also have a little app to upload things like the financial data for safe keeping +(01/11/2009 02:01:04 PM) tsunam: yeah as soon as I get it the EIN certificate will be scanned and digitized +(01/11/2009 02:01:04 PM) quantumsummers|c: hooking into ldap so devs can keep their own stuff updated +(01/11/2009 02:01:08 PM) tsunam: for vault keeping on that +(01/11/2009 02:01:23 PM) quantumsummers|c: do we have a safe deposit box for things like this? +(01/11/2009 02:01:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: good plan tsunam +(01/11/2009 02:01:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: should that be with Wayn Chew ? +(01/11/2009 02:02:00 PM) tsunam: the physical? +(01/11/2009 02:02:03 PM) fmccor: Not necessarily. +(01/11/2009 02:02:04 PM) quantumsummers|c: yes +(01/11/2009 02:02:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, yes +(01/11/2009 02:02:20 PM) quantumsummers|c: doesn't have to be with Mr. Chew +(01/11/2009 02:02:35 PM) quantumsummers|c: our cpa may be able to assist with this +(01/11/2009 02:02:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: its a detial, lets move on +(01/11/2009 02:02:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can skip Item 6 Actions From Previous Meetings on hold nothing has changed +(01/11/2009 02:03:07 PM) fmccor: All that needs to be with Wayne Chew is information available to the public for examination. +(01/11/2009 02:03:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok +(01/11/2009 02:03:27 PM) fmccor: Well, the e.V. Jan meeting is actually Feb/March +(01/11/2009 02:03:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda Item 7 Membership Applications - Developers ... +(01/11/2009 02:03:44 PM) quantumsummers|c: seems like thta keeps getting pushed +(01/11/2009 02:03:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: * coldwind +(01/11/2009 02:03:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: * darkside +(01/11/2009 02:03:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: * tanderson +(01/11/2009 02:04:05 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, Out of our hands --- ask dertobi123 +(01/11/2009 02:04:09 PM) quantumsummers|c: yes +(01/11/2009 02:04:11 PM) fmccor: I vote yes for all. +(01/11/2009 02:04:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: I vote yes to all +(01/11/2009 02:04:40 PM) quantumsummers|c: tsunam: ? +(01/11/2009 02:04:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, ?? +(01/11/2009 02:04:43 PM) tsunam: yep +(01/11/2009 02:04:56 PM) quantumsummers|c: tsunam: how do you vote? +(01/11/2009 02:04:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: Carried - welcome guys +(01/11/2009 02:05:05 PM) tsunam: as in yep,yes...etc +(01/11/2009 02:05:06 PM) quantumsummers|c: recorded +(01/11/2009 02:05:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: Community members ... WEIRDEDOUT held over from last moth +(01/11/2009 02:05:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: month* +(01/11/2009 02:05:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: I've been slacking doing some checks +(01/11/2009 02:06:09 PM) tsunam: well you did give us some details so +(01/11/2009 02:06:25 PM) fmccor: This one's dicey, I gather. My vote is yes, because I think he is exactly the kind of user we want as a member. +(01/11/2009 02:06:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: I suggest carry forward but I would not vote against as I don't know enough +(01/11/2009 02:07:04 PM) fmccor: Others disagree. I'd still ask him to join us in that case so we can talk to him. +(01/11/2009 02:07:11 PM) tsunam: k +(01/11/2009 02:07:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: ping comprookie2000 +(01/11/2009 02:07:14 PM) tsunam: that'd be best +(01/11/2009 02:07:20 PM) antarus: I would wonder why he is not at this meeting, yeah ;) +(01/11/2009 02:07:24 PM) fmccor: His interview with comprookie2000 is very good. +(01/11/2009 02:07:31 PM) tanderson: thanks everyone +(01/11/2009 02:07:42 PM) fmccor: antarus, Well, being in Australia might influence that. :) +(01/11/2009 02:07:46 PM) ***antarus nods +(01/11/2009 02:07:52 PM) antarus: I figured it was a TZ issue ;) +(01/11/2009 02:08:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, you for holding over too ? +(01/11/2009 02:08:25 PM) tsunam: yes i am +(01/11/2009 02:08:31 PM) antarus: hrm +(01/11/2009 02:08:33 PM) fmccor: antarus, He's a family man in Australia, and this is a horrible time for him. +(01/11/2009 02:08:42 PM) antarus: what does the doc say about rejecting *goes to read* +(01/11/2009 02:08:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: antarus, hes not rejected +(01/11/2009 02:09:28 PM) antarus: I am aware of that +(01/11/2009 02:09:48 PM) fmccor: I was meaning to try to chase him down, but didn't get to it. +(01/11/2009 02:10:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, has worked with him in the past, if he shows up, we can ask him +(01/11/2009 02:11:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 8 Trustee Elections 2009 +(01/11/2009 02:11:40 PM) antarus: putting it on the ballot for every meeting to take no action is not useful; I'd rather reject unclear canidates with some sort of clear feedback on why and they can make changes and apply again(as there appears to be no limitations on applications) +(01/11/2009 02:12:05 PM) antarus: that may be overly harsh for some applicats though ;) +(01/11/2009 02:12:16 PM) ***Philantrop agrees with antarus +(01/11/2009 02:12:45 PM) fmccor: antarus, I don't know if this one knows we want more information or not, actually. +(01/11/2009 02:12:58 PM) antarus: fmccor: that is my concern +(01/11/2009 02:12:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: antarus, In this case, its overly harsh. Its the trustees that have been slacking, not the candiate. +(01/11/2009 02:13:04 PM) antarus: NeddySeagoon: ok ;) +(01/11/2009 02:13:15 PM) quantumsummers|c: I sent him an email last meeting stating that we wanted more info +(01/11/2009 02:13:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: antarus, the candidate provided information we we have failed to check in its entireity. +(01/11/2009 02:13:56 PM) fmccor: Please send another, CC trustees. +(01/11/2009 02:14:14 PM) antarus: yep, I'm with you ;) +(01/11/2009 02:14:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: So - held over for trustee slacking +(01/11/2009 02:14:41 PM) antarus: I agree with a deferral in that case ;) +(01/11/2009 02:14:52 PM) quantumsummers|c: sent +(01/11/2009 02:14:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 8 Trustee Elections 2009 +(01/11/2009 02:16:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: There will be two seats for reelection this year, our current vacancy and dmwaters. Nominations should open early Feb and voting early March +(01/11/2009 02:16:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: We need an election team +(01/11/2009 02:16:40 PM) quantumsummers|c: nominations run the month of Feb & voting the month of Mar? +(01/11/2009 02:16:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes +(01/11/2009 02:16:51 PM) antarus: we could use the typical team, assuming none of them are running +(01/11/2009 02:17:03 PM) jmbsvicetto: antarus: I'm not ;) +(01/11/2009 02:17:11 PM) quantumsummers|c: hi jmbsvicetto! +(01/11/2009 02:17:11 PM) antarus: rane, fox2mike, myself, and jmbsvicetto +(01/11/2009 02:17:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto was going to set up an elections project but I don't know if that happened +(01/11/2009 02:17:26 PM) antarus: NeddySeagoon: we basically have an unofficial one at this point ;) +(01/11/2009 02:17:27 PM) jmbsvicetto: running, but am interested in running another election +(01/11/2009 02:17:32 PM) jmbsvicetto: Hi quantumsummers|c +(01/11/2009 02:17:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: antarus, is that an offer ? if so sccepted +(01/11/2009 02:17:58 PM) jmbsvicetto: antarus: yeah, but I've been meaning to send a mail announcing the team ;) +(01/11/2009 02:18:37 PM) jmbsvicetto: antarus: I was also going to create a page with some information about how an election is run and technical details +(01/11/2009 02:18:54 PM) ***antarus certainly won't stop you ;p +(01/11/2009 02:18:56 PM) jmbsvicetto: NeddySeagoon: one important question - are we going to have non-dev members in the foundation for this election? +(01/11/2009 02:19:12 PM) quantumsummers|c: yes +(01/11/2009 02:19:14 PM) fmccor: jmbsvicetto, We can. +(01/11/2009 02:19:22 PM) quantumsummers|c: so far comprookie2000, & Philantrop +(01/11/2009 02:19:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto, yes ... mostly ex-devs ... only comprookie2000 is a never been dev as far as I know +(01/11/2009 02:19:36 PM) jmbsvicetto: I know we can, but the point is whether we already have them for this election +(01/11/2009 02:19:41 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, plus lots of ex-developers perhaps. +(01/11/2009 02:19:50 PM) quantumsummers|c: true +(01/11/2009 02:20:29 PM) fmccor: jmbsvicetto, We always have, I think. But yes (any ex-developer/member) +(01/11/2009 02:20:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto, you can use the same method as you used for ex devs last year +(01/11/2009 02:20:39 PM) jmbsvicetto: ok, in that case I suggest we keep using votify/countify for this election and as before ask those members to send a gpg signed email to all election officials +(01/11/2009 02:20:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, you have the keys +(01/11/2009 02:21:02 PM) quantumsummers|c: does the elections team have an alias? +(01/11/2009 02:21:03 PM) fmccor: Sounds good. +(01/11/2009 02:21:09 PM) quantumsummers|c: email alias that is +(01/11/2009 02:21:09 PM) antarus: quantumsummers|c: we don't even have a team ;) +(01/11/2009 02:21:11 PM) jmbsvicetto: The foundation needs to solve the issue of the gpg keys for ex-devs +(01/11/2009 02:21:36 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: I'm going to ask robbat2 to create elections@ g dot o +(01/11/2009 02:21:43 PM) quantumsummers|c: its difficult for those that do not respond or have non-working emails jmbsvicetto +(01/11/2009 02:21:50 PM) jmbsvicetto: antarus: want to be in it? rane? +(01/11/2009 02:21:58 PM) antarus: jmbsvicetto: I am making it right now +(01/11/2009 02:22:04 PM) jmbsvicetto: antarus: ok, thanks +(01/11/2009 02:22:20 PM) antarus: aww I need robbat2 foo +(01/11/2009 02:22:23 PM) antarus: stupid gentoo +(01/11/2009 02:22:25 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: right, but aren't gpg keys mandatory? +(01/11/2009 02:22:29 PM) jmbsvicetto: HEHE +(01/11/2009 02:22:32 PM) quantumsummers|c: yes +(01/11/2009 02:22:34 PM) jmbsvicetto: sorry, caps +(01/11/2009 02:22:52 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: then members need to solve any email issues +(01/11/2009 02:23:04 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: And these days there's "tons" of free mail providers +(01/11/2009 02:23:08 PM) quantumsummers|c: its ok, I will make the list availble next week to the trustees & any dev that needs access +(01/11/2009 02:23:20 PM) quantumsummers|c: we can update whomever +(01/11/2009 02:23:25 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, If they don't respond and the email doesn't work, it's fair to believe they are going inactive. They should all be on gentoo-nfp. +(01/11/2009 02:23:27 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: I'll ping you about it +fmccor fmccor|work +(01/11/2009 02:23:37 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok fmccor +(01/11/2009 02:23:39 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok jmbsvicetto +(01/11/2009 02:23:45 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: Oh, you mean expired addresses? I see. +(01/11/2009 02:23:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto, the members list for the election closes at the end of this meeting +(01/11/2009 02:24:02 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers|c, (If you need it, I have an email for jakub, but so do you because it's on his bug. :) ) +(01/11/2009 02:24:07 PM) jmbsvicetto: You'll have to determine how you'll "confirm" their identity +(01/11/2009 02:24:28 PM) quantumsummers|c: it would be nice to have a gpg key trail +(01/11/2009 02:24:29 PM) jmbsvicetto: We (election team) had to deal with this last year. Now that the foundation is working, we're "pleased" to drop it to you ;) +(01/11/2009 02:24:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto, thank you +(01/11/2009 02:24:52 PM) jmbsvicetto: *g* +(01/11/2009 02:25:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto, are the timescales ok ? +(01/11/2009 02:25:59 PM) jmbsvicetto: It's up to you. We can do 1 week, 2 weeks or 1 month, if you prefer +(01/11/2009 02:26:06 PM) quantumsummers|c: those are all of Feb for nominations & all of March for voting? +(01/11/2009 02:26:20 PM) jmbsvicetto: Given recent elections, I don't know if we should keep the 1 month, but it's up to the trustees +(01/11/2009 02:26:35 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: That's what I understood +(01/11/2009 02:26:41 PM) quantumsummers|c: k +(01/11/2009 02:26:42 PM) antarus: 254584 for the alias +(01/11/2009 02:26:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto, Feb for nominations, March for votes, results on 29 March ... 4 weeks each +(01/11/2009 02:27:08 PM) jmbsvicetto: NeddySeagoon: In that case, please grant us 1 day between nominations and voting and 1 or 2 days to publish results +(01/11/2009 02:27:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats as last year +(01/11/2009 02:27:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: jmbsvicetto ok +(01/11/2009 02:27:56 PM) quantumsummers|c: antarus: I can help write a webapp for voting, should be simple enough +(01/11/2009 02:27:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: take office on 31 March ... +(01/11/2009 02:28:10 PM) antarus: quantumsummers|c: that was my thought ;) +(01/11/2009 02:28:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers|c, votes have to be verified with keys +(01/11/2009 02:28:35 PM) quantumsummers|c: sure +(01/11/2009 02:28:51 PM) quantumsummers|c: we can discuss the constraints +(01/11/2009 02:28:59 PM) jmbsvicetto: so you want nominations from Feb 1 (Sunday) to 28 Feb (Sat) and voting from Mar 2 (Monday) to Mar 29 (Sunday)? +(01/11/2009 02:29:07 PM) antarus: a small design doc should not take long +(01/11/2009 02:29:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes please jmbsvicetto +(01/11/2009 02:29:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, tsunam ? +(01/11/2009 02:29:35 PM) jmbsvicetto: My suggestion is for us to look at devotee (debian) +(01/11/2009 02:29:37 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(01/11/2009 02:29:46 PM) tsunam: all seems fine with me +(01/11/2009 02:29:57 PM) jmbsvicetto: I think it might be better to use an already working solution than starting from scratch +(01/11/2009 02:29:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: thank you +(01/11/2009 02:30:22 PM) jmbsvicetto: but I'll leave that for the elections project +(01/11/2009 02:30:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: The details can be worked out later +(01/11/2009 02:31:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 9 Does Gentoo use the Quicktime Penguin logo +(01/11/2009 02:31:07 PM) quantumsummers|c: yes it does +(01/11/2009 02:31:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: we have had an email about that +(01/11/2009 02:31:23 PM) quantumsummers|c: looked into this, appears to be the same graphic +(01/11/2009 02:31:48 PM) quantumsummers|c: whether or not this matters I am uncertain +(01/11/2009 02:31:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: Do we know what Apple registered ? +(01/11/2009 02:32:09 PM) quantumsummers|c: its a slightly modified version +(01/11/2009 02:32:23 PM) quantumsummers|c: NeddySeagoon: not exactly +(01/11/2009 02:33:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: we need to look into that, since if its Apples registered mark, we need to get permission or stop using it +(01/11/2009 02:34:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm unhappy about using something similar enough to cause confustion +(01/11/2009 02:34:25 PM) antarus: it is not a good place to be +(01/11/2009 02:34:32 PM) antarus: so there are two problems no? +(01/11/2009 02:34:35 PM) antarus: one is trademark +(01/11/2009 02:34:38 PM) antarus: the other is copyright +(01/11/2009 02:34:39 PM) quantumsummers|c: we can switch that graphic rather easily +(01/11/2009 02:35:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: antarus, yes. We should just change our graphic +(01/11/2009 02:35:09 PM) ***antarus agrees +(01/11/2009 02:35:22 PM) quantumsummers|c: is that an infra thing? +(01/11/2009 02:35:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: Who is that a bug for ... documentation ? +(01/11/2009 02:36:11 PM) antarus: do we have a replacement graphic? +(01/11/2009 02:36:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: I don't know but I doubt it +(01/11/2009 02:36:48 PM) quantumsummers|c: I suggest a Michael Phelps-like penguin :) +(01/11/2009 02:38:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, can you raise a bug that points out the possible legal implications of the confusion pleas +(01/11/2009 02:38:53 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, Yes. +(01/11/2009 02:38:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: probably on docs, cc us so we can track progress +(01/11/2009 02:39:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 10 Date of Next Meeting - Sunday 15 February 2009 1900 UTC +(01/11/2009 02:39:40 PM) fmccor: OK with me. +(01/11/2009 02:39:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thats the first Sunday afyer the 2nd Thursday .. +(01/11/2009 02:39:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: after* +(01/11/2009 02:40:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, ^^ +(01/11/2009 02:40:05 PM) tsunam: k +(01/11/2009 02:40:13 PM) tsunam: I'll try to set a reminder on my phone +(01/11/2009 02:40:14 PM) jmbsvicetto: about the bug, gentoo-artwork might be a better option - assuming the team still exists +(01/11/2009 02:40:20 PM) tsunam: so I don't have to be called ~-` +(01/11/2009 02:40:28 PM) jmbsvicetto: I don't know if docs or infra care about such things +(01/11/2009 02:40:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, hehe +(01/11/2009 02:41:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its a legal thing, we have to make someone who can fix it care +(01/11/2009 02:41:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 11 Any other business +(01/11/2009 02:41:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ? +(01/11/2009 02:41:48 PM) antarus: Google owes Gentoo 2500 dollars +(01/11/2009 02:41:49 PM) fmccor: I had thought so +(01/11/2009 02:41:51 PM) antarus: for last summer +(01/11/2009 02:41:57 PM) antarus: I still haven't submitted the PO +(01/11/2009 02:41:59 PM) antarus: because I suck +(01/11/2009 02:42:23 PM) antarus: can you add an item to the next agenda to make sure that is done by next month? +(01/11/2009 02:42:26 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I was expecting a bug from armin76 requesting 56 Euro funding to help with sh development. +(01/11/2009 02:43:04 PM) fmccor: But I haven't seen it. Otherwise, no. +(01/11/2009 02:43:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, AoB +(01/11/2009 02:43:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, we can deal with that bug when it happens +(01/11/2009 02:44:58 PM) fmccor: True. +(01/11/2009 02:45:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: I guess, that means nothing from tsunam +(01/11/2009 02:45:18 PM) fmccor: I was just alerting people that such a request is in the works. +(01/11/2009 02:45:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 12 Open floor +(01/11/2009 02:45:34 PM) tsunam: nope +(01/11/2009 02:45:39 PM) tsunam: nothing from me +(01/11/2009 02:45:54 PM) mode (+v mpagano ) by ChanServ +(01/11/2009 02:46:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have one thing ... members are +v here, except two that do not have irc accounts +(01/11/2009 02:46:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: any more for any more +(01/11/2009 02:46:41 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers|c: will you be our foundation contact for the election? +(01/11/2009 02:46:58 PM) quantumsummers|c: I certainly can, if the trustees approve +(01/11/2009 02:47:05 PM) quantumsummers|c: jmbsvicetto: ^ +(01/11/2009 02:47:07 PM) fmccor: Fine with me. +(01/11/2009 02:47:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: fine with me +(01/11/2009 02:47:26 PM) jmbsvicetto: ok, we can talk later about details then +(01/11/2009 02:47:31 PM) quantumsummers|c: ok +(01/11/2009 02:47:43 PM) ***NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2009/15Feb2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2009/15Feb2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..ef1014a --- /dev/null +++ b/2009/15Feb2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,261 @@ +(02/15/2009 01:00:42 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +(02/15/2009 01:00:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: roll call +(02/15/2009 01:00:54 PM) #gentoo-trustees: mode (+v Betelgeuse ) by ChanServ +(02/15/2009 01:01:06 PM) ***fmccor is here +(02/15/2009 01:01:13 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is here +(02/15/2009 01:01:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: We need tsunam with dmwaters being ill +(02/15/2009 01:01:56 PM) fmccor: tsunam, ping +(02/15/2009 01:01:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tsunam: ping? +(02/15/2009 01:02:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(02/15/2009 01:02:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor, call him maybe? +(02/15/2009 01:02:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes please +(02/15/2009 01:02:48 PM) fmccor: Trying now +(02/15/2009 01:03:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Did the USA have a daylight saving time change this weekend ? +(02/15/2009 01:03:08 PM) fmccor: No +(02/15/2009 01:04:06 PM) fmccor: Left a voice message. +(02/15/2009 01:04:39 PM) weirdedout: hi folks +(02/15/2009 01:04:49 PM) fmccor: Hello. +(02/15/2009 01:05:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, thanks. We'll wait until 19:10 UTC to see if we can get a quorum +(02/15/2009 01:05:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hi there weirdedout +(02/15/2009 01:05:12 PM) fmccor: weirdedout, we're waiting for a quorum. +(02/15/2009 01:05:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: hi weirdedout ... this must be early for you +(02/15/2009 01:05:35 PM) weirdedout: no probs, yes it is 6am. +(02/15/2009 01:05:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: since we are waiting, will the trustees in the room take a look here: http://dpaste.com/120966/ +(02/15/2009 01:05:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & comment please +(02/15/2009 01:07:22 PM) weirdedout: brb, just getting a coffee. +(02/15/2009 01:07:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, it could be more chatty but there's no point. It says what needs to be said +(02/15/2009 01:07:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, would you like me to add some narative? +(02/15/2009 01:07:46 PM) fmccor: Fair enough +(02/15/2009 01:08:01 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is no lawyer +(02/15/2009 01:08:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I thing a standard letter is best, from our point of view +(02/15/2009 01:08:19 PM) rane: could use some narrative on where our logo is register and by whom +(02/15/2009 01:08:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: than means you don't have to change it every time +(02/15/2009 01:08:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: rane: good point. I will add some links to what I am talking about w.r.t. logo +(02/15/2009 01:08:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: rane, yeah, ok - that would still allow it to be standard +(02/15/2009 01:09:09 PM) rane: something like "Gentoo logo and name is a trademark registered blablabla by blabla in NM blabla and protected by US law and ninjas" +(02/15/2009 01:09:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I wrote a little app that I am using to track the known offenders, so this will be a template email +(02/15/2009 01:09:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lol, ninjas +(02/15/2009 01:09:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: nice +(02/15/2009 01:09:30 PM) fmccor: It's registered in the US +(02/15/2009 01:09:49 PM) rane: i think German part of our project has it registered in Europe as well +(02/15/2009 01:09:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: The e.V. have it registered in Europe +(02/15/2009 01:09:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(02/15/2009 01:09:58 PM) rane: but i don't know if they've trasferred it +(02/15/2009 01:10:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: not yet anyway +(02/15/2009 01:10:05 PM) fmccor: No +(02/15/2009 01:10:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: rane, nope +(02/15/2009 01:10:17 PM) rane: well, we can mention them anyway +(02/15/2009 01:10:22 PM) rane: gentoo is mostly Europe and US anyway +(02/15/2009 01:10:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the list I have is US based groups to the best of my knowledge +(02/15/2009 01:10:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: ... and cuba +(02/15/2009 01:10:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: gentoo is in the Caribbean now too!! +(02/15/2009 01:10:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lol +(02/15/2009 01:11:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that is awesome +(02/15/2009 01:11:03 PM) rane: now we know who sends us all those cigars! +(02/15/2009 01:11:18 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair like a good cigar every now & again +(02/15/2009 01:11:33 PM) rane: i love cuba libre now and then +(02/15/2009 01:11:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so, with some minor changes you think that is an ok letter? +(02/15/2009 01:11:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: Google Nova Linux ... its Gentoo based +(02/15/2009 01:11:50 PM) rane: quantumsummers, it's very good, yeah +(02/15/2009 01:11:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: ping tsunam +(02/15/2009 01:12:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: want to postpone the meeting another 45 mins to wait on Josh? +(02/15/2009 01:13:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor, NeddySeagoon: can you tell me what Mr. Chew is available to do for us in terms of legal stuff? +(02/15/2009 01:13:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: looks like we are not going to get a quorum this month. Should we reschedule or skip a month? I prefer the former +(02/15/2009 01:14:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: reschedule or delay an hour or so +(02/15/2009 01:14:15 PM) rane: maybe let's start with a 45 mins postpone +(02/15/2009 01:14:19 PM) fmccor: Let's reschedule until next week. +(02/15/2009 01:14:55 PM) fmccor: Unless Joshua shows up in 45 minutes or so like rane said. +(02/15/2009 01:14:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I'll make that suggestion on trustees@ +(02/15/2009 01:14:57 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair submits a bug to buy tsunam a new alarm clock +(02/15/2009 01:15:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: Meeting abandoned due to lack of a quorum +(02/15/2009 01:15:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'll be here all day +(02/15/2009 01:15:45 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Apparently he's out, since his phone rolls over to VM. +(02/15/2009 01:16:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or he got so tossed last night d-dialing he ran it out of bats +(02/15/2009 01:16:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: I've *been* here all day. 1ts 9:16 for me just now +(02/15/2009 01:16:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: heheheh +(02/15/2009 01:16:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: j/k josh +(02/15/2009 01:16:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: WAKE UP +(02/15/2009 01:16:34 PM) fmccor: I won't, but I will be here for 45 minutes more +(02/15/2009 01:16:49 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is working on strategic plan +(02/15/2009 01:16:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: 19:16 .. +(02/15/2009 01:17:04 PM) rane: can trustees name other people to participate in the meeting when they can't make it? +(02/15/2009 01:17:08 PM) rane: (like council) +(02/15/2009 01:17:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hmm, we have done a proxy before +(02/15/2009 01:17:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: via the phone though +(02/15/2009 01:17:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, talk to dberkholz about that. There should be one strategic plan for all of GEntoo +(02/15/2009 01:18:07 PM) weirdedout: I'm back. I can only stay for an hour, gotta go to work after that. +(02/15/2009 01:18:08 PM) rane: but proxies part is deleted in bylaws +(02/15/2009 01:18:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: rane, Nope. We are a legal business entity. +(02/15/2009 01:18:38 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, What do you have in mind (legal stuff)? +(02/15/2009 01:18:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: weirdedout, We haven't got a quorum, so we can't hold the meeting +(02/15/2009 01:18:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: foundation stuff +(02/15/2009 01:19:04 PM) fmccor: Like? +(02/15/2009 01:19:45 PM) weirdedout: oh well, best laid plans... +(02/15/2009 01:19:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor logistics & legal +(02/15/2009 01:19:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: aprtnerships +(02/15/2009 01:20:04 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, We have 4 lawyers including him; 5 counting me. +(02/15/2009 01:20:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: grants & other funding +(02/15/2009 01:20:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: marketing +(02/15/2009 01:20:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: revenue +(02/15/2009 01:20:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: etc +(02/15/2009 01:20:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its a tad lengthy +(02/15/2009 01:20:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: however, I will have a draft available later today I think +(02/15/2009 01:21:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, put it in your election manifesto +(02/15/2009 01:21:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yup, that a piece of it +(02/15/2009 01:22:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there are a ton of opportunities available _now_ to groups like ours +(02/15/2009 01:22:12 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Best is to have specific questions, and start with me. Some things I can actually answer, and others I can tell you if you need legal opinion and who should give it. +(02/15/2009 01:22:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, whats our status if the US government takes exception to the Cuban version of Gentoo ? +(02/15/2009 01:22:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor yes thanks +(02/15/2009 01:22:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I do not think that will be an issue NeddySeagoon +(02/15/2009 01:23:01 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, None. They're just pulling things from the internet. +(02/15/2009 01:23:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I don't either, more an issue for ${UPSTREAM} +(02/15/2009 01:23:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if anything it makes us look really good if a paranoid dictatorship is using us b/c we are more sercurable, etc +(02/15/2009 01:23:37 PM) fmccor: US Government would have to take it up with Cuba. +(02/15/2009 01:23:45 PM) rane: what if they start donating us? +(02/15/2009 01:23:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: cuban relations will get better with this pres +(02/15/2009 01:23:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, so that would be held to be public domain stuff ? +(02/15/2009 01:24:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: rane: now that would require a lawyer to answer +(02/15/2009 01:24:29 PM) fmccor: Once we post it for download, we can't control who gets it. +(02/15/2009 01:24:32 PM) rane: what if some Cubans suddenly express desire to join our developer pool +(02/15/2009 01:24:42 PM) rane: can we "hire" them? +(02/15/2009 01:24:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that should be allowed +(02/15/2009 01:24:46 PM) fmccor: I'm sure Cuba uses lots of US software. +(02/15/2009 01:25:01 PM) fmccor: rane, Yes. +(02/15/2009 01:25:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, true ... but Sun and others with click through licences include some waffle about US export control +(02/15/2009 01:26:00 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair will brb +(02/15/2009 01:27:08 PM) fmccor: No matter what, they can pull it from a site outside the US. Most mirrors are not in the US. +(02/15/2009 01:29:02 PM) fmccor: At worst, it's a form of piracy from the US point of view. We have no control over who downloads our software from a Canadian mirror. +(02/15/2009 01:30:21 PM) fmccor: rane, Donations would be a problem, probably. +(02/15/2009 01:30:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, not to the e.V. +(02/15/2009 01:30:50 PM) fmccor: No, thatwould be fine. +(02/15/2009 01:31:14 PM) fmccor: That's a reason for keeping e.V. separate, too. +(02/15/2009 01:31:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep +(02/15/2009 01:31:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm quite keen to keep a European entity +(02/15/2009 01:33:02 PM) fmccor: I agree. All we have to do is coordinate of the TM issues so that each of us can tell anyone asking for permission whom to talk to. +(02/15/2009 01:33:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep +(02/15/2009 01:34:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: Someone in the eurozone is needed to run a bank account too +(02/15/2009 01:34:58 PM) fmccor: If someone did, we could use that as our bank. +(02/15/2009 01:35:29 PM) fmccor: We don't need a US bank, I don't think. +(02/15/2009 01:37:31 PM) fmccor: Essentially, we would need access to the account, but you ( NeddySeagoon ) can do that, I think. +(02/15/2009 01:37:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thats an interesting thought +(02/15/2009 01:38:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Not in Euros. Only GBP +(02/15/2009 01:39:18 PM) fmccor: Banks really don't care what currency you use. They might charge a fee for currency conversion, but that's just another way for them to make money. +(02/15/2009 01:39:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: Setting up a overseas (mainland europe) account for a US legal entity that does not have a US account, from the UK might be a challenge +(02/15/2009 01:40:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: The UK does not belong to the Euro +(02/15/2009 01:40:39 PM) fmccor: It's just a matter of finding someone who knows how to set it up. +(02/15/2009 01:41:05 PM) fmccor: US corporations certainly can bank off-shore (some do). +(02/15/2009 01:41:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think we need to have both entities properly setup as non-profits with their own bank accounts, that is not to say we cannot share funds between them +(02/15/2009 01:41:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers++ +(02/15/2009 01:42:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: this is a part of my strategic plan +(02/15/2009 01:42:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will open it to comments of course +(02/15/2009 01:42:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & compromise +(02/15/2009 01:42:37 PM) fmccor: For that matter, we could register the Foundation in Europe. (I think Ubuntu is registered in the Caribbean someplace). +(02/15/2009 01:43:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think we should move the foundation to DC +(02/15/2009 01:43:20 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Have you asked your accountant how to prod the IRS into action? +(02/15/2009 01:43:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: make many things easier +(02/15/2009 01:43:27 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, No you don't. +(02/15/2009 01:44:07 PM) fmccor: I'm not sure you can register a corporation in DC, but if so, you wouldn't want to. +(02/15/2009 01:44:37 PM) fmccor: NM is about the most corporation-friendly place you will find. +(02/15/2009 01:45:06 PM) fmccor: (cheap and pretty much unregulated) +(02/15/2009 01:45:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor yes, the basic things we need to do are: 1. Have CPA do as complete an audit as possible, 2. file for a 6 month extension for this years taxes, 3. get setup as 501c3 with IRS (fairly immediate response with that is guaranteed). +(02/15/2009 01:46:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I would be happy to fly to NM to meet with Mr. Chew to take care of the banking situation +(02/15/2009 01:47:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if we do the above, we will be in really good shape by the end of 3rd Q 09 +(02/15/2009 01:48:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: with 501c3 we will see our donations go way up, since the donation will be tax deductible +(02/15/2009 01:48:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: GNI has stated that they would assist with funding the move to 501c3 +(02/15/2009 01:48:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: costs about $1000 +(02/15/2009 01:49:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: which is not bad +(02/15/2009 01:49:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: considering we have some $, we can afford it +(02/15/2009 01:50:00 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Right now, we are just waiting for a change of address for our EIN. +(02/15/2009 01:50:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have spoken to several companies that would donate (or donate more) if we had 501c3 statys +(02/15/2009 01:50:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor right, we will get that going. The CPA I have is willing to assist there +(02/15/2009 01:50:35 PM) fmccor: We need to do that before we can do anything at all with banks according to tsunam +(02/15/2009 01:50:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hmm, of that I am unsure +(02/15/2009 01:51:53 PM) armin76: bye tsunam *g* +(02/15/2009 01:52:10 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Unless there is some problem IRS is not telling me about, I think it's just a matter of knowing whom to call to get them to do the 10 minutes it takes them. +(02/15/2009 01:53:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we will know more as soon as Josh gets me all the available financials. That coupled with the archive of emails that I have, we should be able to survive an audit +(02/15/2009 01:53:12 PM) #gentoo-trustees: mode (+v mpagano ) by ChanServ +(02/15/2009 01:53:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there may be a problem since we have not files federal taxes in some years +(02/15/2009 01:53:34 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, We're talking about two different things. +(02/15/2009 01:53:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I know what you are talking about +(02/15/2009 01:54:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the IRS is backlogged +(02/15/2009 01:54:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we may need to go higher up the chain to get a faster response +(02/15/2009 01:54:42 PM) fmccor: Right, that's what I'm talking about. +(02/15/2009 01:55:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Senator McCaskill's office is about 50 yards from mine, I can talk to her people, but I don't know anyone in NM +(02/15/2009 01:56:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: is Mr. Chew generally availble? +(02/15/2009 01:56:15 PM) fmccor: You don't need to know anyone in NM --- you need someone who will push the IRS. +(02/15/2009 01:56:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: what is his role as our registered agent? +(02/15/2009 01:56:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: can I talk to him? +(02/15/2009 01:56:31 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Yes, at $200/hour +(02/15/2009 01:56:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok so he is a lawyer +(02/15/2009 01:57:40 PM) fmccor: Yes, you can check his web site for information on what he does. I don't have it handy, but can track it down later. +(02/15/2009 01:57:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: well like I said, I can travel to NM, at my own expense, to take care of these things if it becomes necessary. +(02/15/2009 01:58:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I like Albuquerque +(02/15/2009 01:58:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: used to live in Durango, CO +(02/15/2009 01:58:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe +(02/15/2009 01:58:39 PM) fmccor: Let's just get that piece of paper from the IRS first, then put together a strategy. +(02/15/2009 01:58:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok :) +(02/15/2009 01:59:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, world domination you mean :) +(02/15/2009 01:59:24 PM) fmccor: We can't do anything further without a bank account. We have money in limbo because we can't do anything with it. +(02/15/2009 01:59:35 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, If that's what it takes. :) +(02/15/2009 01:59:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :D +(02/15/2009 02:00:25 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, An audit would be a problem, because g2boojum is holding on to quite a lot of our funds until we can put them someplace. +(02/15/2009 02:00:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Yes, I know. However it may be unavoidable +(02/15/2009 02:01:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor you know those checks (cheques) are only good for 1 year, some even less. :| +(02/15/2009 02:01:40 PM) fmccor: Now, I suggested talking to a member of congress earlier this week, so if you can ask Sen. McCaskill for help, that would be great. +(02/15/2009 02:01:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can & will +(02/15/2009 02:02:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: she's a very nice lasy +(02/15/2009 02:02:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: *lady +(02/15/2009 02:02:38 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, I would be most upset to forfeit $20,000 just because we can't figure out how to open a bank account. :( +(02/15/2009 02:02:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, she didn't get to be Sen. by being nice +(02/15/2009 02:03:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, cheques can be reissued if they have expired +(02/15/2009 02:03:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, maybe grant has deposited the cheque in his own name somewhere ? +(02/15/2009 02:04:30 PM) fmccor: The money exists --- it's held by some internet bank. +(02/15/2009 02:04:41 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I hope so. +(02/15/2009 02:05:02 PM) fmccor: Then it's just a wire transfer. +(02/15/2009 02:05:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: yeah +(02/15/2009 02:05:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: My point then was that expiry of the cheque is not an issue +(02/15/2009 02:06:13 PM) fmccor: comprookie2000, If you want a real old-timer, Grant would be a good choice. +(02/15/2009 02:06:44 PM) comprookie2000: OK added to the list :) +(02/15/2009 02:06:57 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, Right, I was exaggerating for effect. The bank account issue is becoming really urgent. +(02/15/2009 02:07:35 PM) fmccor: And no one seems to know how to get the IRS moving --- I certainly don't. +(02/15/2009 02:08:03 PM) tanderson: fmccor: pass another stimulus bill to hire more IRS staff +(02/15/2009 02:08:26 PM) fmccor: (Well, I do --- I could just quit filing taxes. But since I get refunds, that would be counterproductive.) +(02/15/2009 02:08:31 PM) fmccor: tanderson, NO!!! +(02/15/2009 02:08:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yeah, we have to do federal taxes early April and nobody is exempt any more +(02/15/2009 02:09:28 PM) fmccor: tanderson, No one in the country wants the IRS to have more people. I'd rather shut it down. :) +(02/15/2009 02:10:10 PM) tanderson: flat tax ftw +(02/15/2009 02:12:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon, fmccor: we will need to file for an extension, its a simple form +(02/15/2009 02:12:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that will buy is the time we need to get everything in order +(02/15/2009 02:12:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I'd rather not ... I suspect that will get us under the spotlight for past years. +(02/15/2009 02:13:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we should be at least prepared for an audit, as our lack of filing in the past will make us a target already +(02/15/2009 02:14:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep +(02/15/2009 02:15:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: We are from the IRS ... we are here to help ... heh +(02/15/2009 02:16:40 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Right now we are in bad shape for that, because many of our assets are being held privately and we can't get at them. +(02/15/2009 02:17:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I know, I know. Its a little unsettling +(02/15/2009 02:17:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: though I have faith that it will work out in the end ( where the end is the foundation having a bank account in short order!!) +(02/15/2009 02:18:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: antarus: you cannot retire +(02/15/2009 02:19:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hmm, tsunam's blog is down +(02/15/2009 02:19:12 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair hopes everything is ok +(02/15/2009 02:19:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I've told him that too +(02/15/2009 02:21:22 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair will be back in 20 mins +(02/15/2009 02:22:54 PM) rane: if infra people process antarus we will have to look for another officials +(02/15/2009 02:23:04 PM) fmccor: tsunam was around Friday. +(02/15/2009 02:23:05 PM) rane: since without d.g.o access, he can't really verify anything +(02/15/2009 02:23:37 PM) fmccor: rane, Fortunately, that at least is not a Foundation problem. :) +(02/15/2009 02:23:57 PM) rane: it's my problem :-) +(02/15/2009 02:24:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: rane, keep him until the end of March +(02/15/2009 02:24:51 PM) rane: not in my hands +(02/15/2009 02:24:53 PM) fmccor: Right now we have two candidates for two positions, so if that holds up, this election is easy. :) +(02/15/2009 02:25:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: but with only two acceptances, there is no need for an election +(02/15/2009 02:25:26 PM) rane: quantumsummers says we need to proceed with voting anyway +(02/15/2009 02:26:32 PM) fmccor: rane, really? Not many people vote in uncontested elections. I'd hate for that to count in the bylaws rule. +(02/15/2009 02:26:54 PM) rane: that's why i asked in the first place +(02/15/2009 02:27:20 PM) rane: original question was: what do we do if we have only two candidates by the end of February? +(02/15/2009 02:28:09 PM) fmccor: I'd say declare them winners. I'd vote for them, and we don't have a non-of-the-above option, so they'd win. +(02/15/2009 02:28:28 PM) fmccor: ^non-^none- +(02/15/2009 02:29:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its elected unopposed +(02/15/2009 02:30:00 PM) rane: that would be the easy way +(02/15/2009 02:30:13 PM) armin76: rane: btw, plz do pingu's bug? :) +(02/15/2009 02:31:34 PM) rane: armin76, doing it right now +(02/15/2009 02:33:07 PM) rane: and done +(02/15/2009 02:35:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, just post the log from 1900 UTC to the meeting abandoned. Make sure you capture dmwaters apologies
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2009/22Feb2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2009/22Feb2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b64df08 --- /dev/null +++ b/2009/22Feb2009_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,343 @@ +(02/22/2009 01:08:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets do roll call and see who we have . +(02/22/2009 01:08:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: ?me is here now +(02/22/2009 01:08:31 PM) fmccor: Here +(02/22/2009 01:08:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(02/22/2009 01:09:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam, is "house sitting" as wasn't sure if if could make it. +(02/22/2009 01:09:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets start using last weeks agenda - we have a quorum +(02/22/2009 01:09:57 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order +(02/22/2009 01:10:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 1 - we can skip that +(02/22/2009 01:10:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 2 Actions From the Last Meeting +(02/22/2009 01:10:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: Does anyone know about Gentoo Foundation Banking ? +(02/22/2009 01:11:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, fmccor ? +(02/22/2009 01:11:09 PM) dmwaters: nope +(02/22/2009 01:11:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ? +(02/22/2009 01:11:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: haven't heard from tsunam +(02/22/2009 01:11:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: re banking +(02/22/2009 01:11:29 PM) fmccor: Last I knew it was still jammed up, and this has to move to critical. +(02/22/2009 01:11:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(02/22/2009 01:11:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: agreed +(02/22/2009 01:11:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: Moving on .. +(02/22/2009 01:11:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: Certified Public Accountant - quantumsummers +(02/22/2009 01:11:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: re: 2.2 I am meeting with the CPA next week to get things rolling. perhaps we can get some advice on the banking front +(02/22/2009 01:12:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I still need financials from tsunam +(02/22/2009 01:12:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, try to speak (voice) with tsunam before then +(02/22/2009 01:12:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have a few, but only half from 2008 +(02/22/2009 01:12:37 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair needs his # +(02/22/2009 01:13:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, fmccor has it and it will be in the tarball of trustees@ as we all posted numbers there +(02/22/2009 01:13:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: got it, thanks fmccor +(02/22/2009 01:13:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, thanks +(02/22/2009 01:13:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: next Send friendly cease and desist emails to copyright infringers spotted on cafepress - quantumsummers +(02/22/2009 01:14:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: The template looked good +(02/22/2009 01:14:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I will begin sending to my list on monday +(02/22/2009 01:14:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I also have a prelim app to track this stuff +(02/22/2009 01:15:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: feel free to add to the list too ... any infringers are fair game +(02/22/2009 01:15:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: will do, hence the app. the list in rather long +(02/22/2009 01:15:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, sounds good +(02/22/2009 01:15:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(02/22/2009 01:15:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: great +(02/22/2009 01:15:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: skip Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 +(02/22/2009 01:16:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: Next is Foundation Knowledge Management Needs - quantumsummers +(02/22/2009 01:16:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes, still under development +(02/22/2009 01:16:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its coming along quite nicely +(02/22/2009 01:16:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: has a full social networking suite in it now +(02/22/2009 01:16:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: accounting is working +(02/22/2009 01:17:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: do you have a target date for 1st deployment ? +(02/22/2009 01:17:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: need to add a receipt filer to that, should be easy +(02/22/2009 01:17:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hmm, not a solid date for overall completion +(02/22/2009 01:17:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: however +(02/22/2009 01:17:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can deploy what I have anytime +(02/22/2009 01:18:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: I doubt it will ever be 'complete' but do you have per feature target dates ? +(02/22/2009 01:18:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its a tad ugly, but I'm planning on using the html/css from the web redesign +(02/22/2009 01:18:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: Hmm, is there going to be a web redesign ? +(02/22/2009 01:18:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Not at the moment NeddySeagoon, as I am working on it in my spare time +(02/22/2009 01:19:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I am unsire about whether the redesign will make it for the main site +(02/22/2009 01:19:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: *unsure +(02/22/2009 01:19:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: but I will use it for mow +(02/22/2009 01:19:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: now +(02/22/2009 01:19:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its pretty nice for this particular use case +(02/22/2009 01:19:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok. but you will deploy features as they become robust enough to use +(02/22/2009 01:19:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: regarding target dates +(02/22/2009 01:20:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: perhaps it would be useful for the board to let me know what is most helpful & I can plan deployment based on need +(02/22/2009 01:20:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, you won't get fired for missing dates ... I'm looking for something to provide focus is all. +(02/22/2009 01:21:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I would say that I will have a pretty full version by June or so, but +(02/22/2009 01:21:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can deploy what I have this week & get everyone set up with users +(02/22/2009 01:21:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, that sounds good. 2009 is implied but it might be 2010 ... +(02/22/2009 01:21:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if that is helpful +(02/22/2009 01:21:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: 2009 +(02/22/2009 01:22:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have some clients that want to use it too :) +(02/22/2009 01:22:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: python foundation is interested & django too +(02/22/2009 01:22:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: which will be nice +(02/22/2009 01:22:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, May as well leave it until after the April meeting, so we know who the new trustees are +(02/22/2009 01:22:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(02/22/2009 01:22:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sounds reasonable +(02/22/2009 01:23:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: No pressure ... just focus +(02/22/2009 01:23:05 PM) fmccor: Unless we know in a week. :) +(02/22/2009 01:23:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can hook into ldap if we ever want all devs to have some access +(02/22/2009 01:23:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, heh +(02/22/2009 01:23:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, that might be a nice touch +(02/22/2009 01:23:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: easy as pie +(02/22/2009 01:23:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: already set up for it +(02/22/2009 01:24:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: Moving on ... Trustee Elections 2009 +(02/22/2009 01:24:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the only nominee that I know of that is still thinking about accepting is Patrick +(02/22/2009 01:25:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: not sure about ciaran +(02/22/2009 01:25:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: I sent a summary mail to -nfp and -dev-announce. The rules do not cover what happens if we have 2 candidates for 2 vacancies ... we need to formalise that here and now. +(02/22/2009 01:25:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(02/22/2009 01:25:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: rane, jmbsvicetto ping +(02/22/2009 01:25:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ^^ +(02/22/2009 01:26:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: I propose that when the number of candidates match the number vacancies, they be elected unopposed. No election required +(02/22/2009 01:26:24 PM) dmwaters: agreed +(02/22/2009 01:26:24 PM) fmccor: I agree. +(02/22/2009 01:26:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: recoreded +(02/22/2009 01:27:02 PM) fmccor left the room. +(02/22/2009 01:27:02 PM) fmccor [n=fmccor@gentoo/developer/fmccor] entered the room. +(02/22/2009 01:27:02 PM) #gentoo-trustees: mode (+o fmccor ) by ChanServ +(02/22/2009 01:27:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: When should they take their places ? I suggest that the date be held regardless. They might have real life that prevents bringing forward the start date +(02/22/2009 01:27:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: does that need to be added to the bylaws? +(02/22/2009 01:28:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, probably not, its more a Standard Operating Procedure. If we don't have a place to maintain SOPs, then we should add it +(02/22/2009 01:28:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(02/22/2009 01:28:51 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Not necessarily --- I think it's really a matter for the election project in the end. +(02/22/2009 01:29:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, that works for me too +(02/22/2009 01:29:24 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair adds SOP to list of features to add to km-suite +(02/22/2009 01:29:27 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I do think we have to hold the date. +(02/22/2009 01:29:57 PM) fmccor: That is in the bylaws, I think. +(02/22/2009 01:30:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, me too, we can't very well say we don't need an election, you can start tomorrow +(02/22/2009 01:30:14 PM) ***dmwaters nods +(02/22/2009 01:30:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks dmwaters +(02/22/2009 01:30:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda Item 3 Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +(02/22/2009 01:31:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 217511 ... still open to get some long term maintainance for the store. musikc is not here +(02/22/2009 01:31:54 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/217511 "The Gentoo Store is Out of Date"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +(02/22/2009 01:32:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: 224689 tsunam needs to pay himself +(02/22/2009 01:32:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 234705 +(02/22/2009 01:32:52 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/234705 "Document of being an active developer"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:araujo@g.o +(02/22/2009 01:33:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: what are we needing for this one +(02/22/2009 01:33:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ? +(02/22/2009 01:33:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: a design? +(02/22/2009 01:33:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if that's it I can take a stab at it +(02/22/2009 01:33:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: araujo was going to provide the master. The PDF has 2008 on it. I spoke with him in -dev ... but hes not done it yet +(02/22/2009 01:34:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I'll poke him +(02/22/2009 01:34:12 PM) fmccor: This is just issuing a certificate to active developers when needed, isn't it? I think the bug has a form attached to it. +(02/22/2009 01:34:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, It does. Its a PDF with 2008 in the PDF ... we need to be able to maintain the form +(02/22/2009 01:35:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can add that in as a feature too +(02/22/2009 01:35:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: gen the pdf file & email it +(02/22/2009 01:35:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: to whomever wil be signing +(02/22/2009 01:36:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 245227 ... robbat2 was going to do something but he wanted info from tsunam about out turnover +(02/22/2009 01:36:04 PM) fmccor: That's you as secretary, probably +(02/22/2009 01:36:04 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/245227 "Funding request: replacement hard drive for osprey.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +(02/22/2009 01:36:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yeah, we agreed me for European devs +(02/22/2009 01:36:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(02/22/2009 01:37:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: its recorded in the logs a meeting or two ago +(02/22/2009 01:37:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: topic in infra says osprey is fixed +(02/22/2009 01:37:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 253491 Gentoo Store - Add Case stickers, badges +(02/22/2009 01:37:26 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/253491 "Gentoo Store - Add Case stickers, badges."; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; ASSI; david@linuxcrazy.com:trustees@g.o +(02/22/2009 01:38:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: there was some interest in letting david handle the store with musikc +(02/22/2009 01:38:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, yep but it took a lot of pain ... we want -infra to be able to repair stuff without asking +(02/22/2009 01:38:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I agree completely +(02/22/2009 01:38:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, ping +(02/22/2009 01:38:30 PM) comprookie2000: hello +(02/22/2009 01:38:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, are you interested in helping maintain the Gentoo store ? +(02/22/2009 01:39:04 PM) comprookie2000: yes +(02/22/2009 01:39:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: excellent +(02/22/2009 01:39:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, please discuss with musikc when shes around next and work something out between you. Is that ok ? +(02/22/2009 01:40:09 PM) fmccor: She's still out of the country, I think. +(02/22/2009 01:40:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes she is +(02/22/2009 01:40:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, possibly ... +(02/22/2009 01:40:43 PM) comprookie2000: That would be fine, I will do that when she is back +(02/22/2009 01:40:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, thanks. +(02/22/2009 01:40:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fantastico comprookie2000, thanks! +(02/22/2009 01:41:00 PM) comprookie2000: np +(02/22/2009 01:41:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 254588 # Possible confusion over use of the Gentoo Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo +(02/22/2009 01:41:24 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/254588 "Possible confusion over use of the Gentoo Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo"; Documentation, Other documents; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o +(02/22/2009 01:41:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we should change this image +(02/22/2009 01:42:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have looked into it a bit & its obvious that its not CC lic +(02/22/2009 01:42:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: to what ? +(02/22/2009 01:42:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: could use the linux penguin +(02/22/2009 01:42:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: The last comment on the bug is looking for a new image +(02/22/2009 01:42:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, you mean from the kernel ? +(02/22/2009 01:42:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(02/22/2009 01:43:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that's creative commons lic, iirc +(02/22/2009 01:43:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, is that an offer to attach a file to the bug that the docs team can just pick up ? +(02/22/2009 01:43:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sure +(02/22/2009 01:43:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks +(02/22/2009 01:43:46 PM) comprookie2000: a good contest for users would be to create a new one +(02/22/2009 01:44:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, I like that idea except I don't want to tell users whey we need it +(02/22/2009 01:44:59 PM) comprookie2000: understood +(02/22/2009 01:45:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 255274 Funding request: SATA HDD for superh development board +(02/22/2009 01:45:21 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/255274 "Funding request: SATA HDD for SuperH development board"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; armin76@g.o:trustees@g.o +(02/22/2009 01:45:44 PM) fmccor: armin76 is here I think. +(02/22/2009 01:45:57 PM) armin76: yup +(02/22/2009 01:46:27 PM) armin76: i'll try to get it done next week +(02/22/2009 01:46:31 PM) armin76: or this week +(02/22/2009 01:46:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: It has 3 votes in favour. Did tsunam do the transfer armin76 ? +(02/22/2009 01:47:02 PM) armin76: NeddySeagoon: nope, because as the latest comment said, there was some issues +(02/22/2009 01:47:15 PM) armin76: i hope to solve them this week and then ask for the refund +(02/22/2009 01:47:34 PM) armin76: i.e, before march +(02/22/2009 01:47:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: armin76, ok. +(02/22/2009 01:48:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 256441 foundation-announce@gentoo.org mailing list for official Foundation correspondence. +(02/22/2009 01:48:06 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/256441 "foundation-announce@gentoo.org mailing list for official Foundation correspondence."; Gentoo Infrastructure, Mailing Lists; NEW; fmccor@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o +(02/22/2009 01:49:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: Any update to the bug? We need this list in the next week in case we have an election +(02/22/2009 01:50:10 PM) fmccor: I think it's waiting for a list of whom to subscribe to it? +(02/22/2009 01:50:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, we have a list of @gentoo addresses to pass to -infra and quantumsummers was testing the ex devs ... +(02/22/2009 01:50:55 PM) fmccor: As I recall, robbat2 said there was no problem creating it. +(02/22/2009 01:51:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, can you provide a list of address to -infra please, not on the bug ... :) +(02/22/2009 01:51:57 PM) fmccor: OK. Last comment on the bug is a request to infra. +(02/22/2009 01:52:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes I can do that +(02/22/2009 01:52:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: we can manage bounces and try to track down members who have changed email +(02/22/2009 01:53:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, sounds good +(02/22/2009 01:53:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 4 Actions From Previous Meetings on hold for one or more actions above +(02/22/2009 01:53:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: No change ... +(02/22/2009 01:54:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda Item 5 Membership Applications -.. +(02/22/2009 01:54:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: r0bertz and a3li Gentoo developers +(02/22/2009 01:54:53 PM) fmccor: Yes to both developers. +(02/22/2009 01:55:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm in favour of both +(02/22/2009 01:55:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: dmwaters: ^^? +(02/22/2009 01:55:08 PM) dmwaters: me also +(02/22/2009 01:55:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, ? +(02/22/2009 01:55:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(02/22/2009 01:55:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks ... they become members but do not get to vote or stand in the 2009 election as its after the recording date +(02/22/2009 01:55:54 PM) dmwaters: nodnod +(02/22/2009 01:55:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: WEIRDEDOUT +(02/22/2009 01:56:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm in favour, having spoken to him and heard his podcast +(02/22/2009 01:56:32 PM) fmccor: I still support him for reasons I've already given --- he's here if anyone wishes to speak to him. +(02/22/2009 01:56:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, ? +(02/22/2009 01:56:50 PM) dmwaters: i'm in favor also +(02/22/2009 01:57:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Carried +(02/22/2009 01:57:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: good, recorded +(02/22/2009 01:57:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: oahong +(02/22/2009 01:57:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: welcome weirdedout +(02/22/2009 01:57:18 PM) fmccor: weirdedout, you're in. :) +(02/22/2009 01:57:22 PM) weirdedout: thank you :) +(02/22/2009 01:57:49 PM) fmccor: Don't know a thing about oahong --- let me see if I can find his application .... +(02/22/2009 01:58:01 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair hands weirdedout the special foundation member cookie ;) +(02/22/2009 01:58:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: oahong is a chinese contributor to an overlay ... if you have seen trustees@ ... he is vouched for by r0bertz +(02/22/2009 01:58:18 PM) ***weirdedout eats cookie. +(02/22/2009 01:58:39 PM) dmwaters: i'm in favor +(02/22/2009 01:58:55 PM) fmccor: I just saw it. I''m in favor +(02/22/2009 01:59:35 PM) fmccor: Just needed to refresh my memory. +(02/22/2009 02:00:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm in favour too +(02/22/2009 02:00:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: thoughts? +(02/22/2009 02:00:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried +(02/22/2009 02:00:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ah, good recorded +(02/22/2009 02:00:23 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, sorry, I was doing the +V +(02/22/2009 02:00:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: np sir +(02/22/2009 02:01:09 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair hands a cookie to oahong +(02/22/2009 02:01:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda item 6 # Annual General Meeting Planning +(02/22/2009 02:01:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: is this an irc thing or in person? +(02/22/2009 02:01:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: This is the only public meeting we are required by law to hold. I suggest it replaces our April meeting +(02/22/2009 02:02:04 PM) fmccor: Has to be irc, I think. +(02/22/2009 02:02:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(02/22/2009 02:02:25 PM) dmwaters: april is better for me +(02/22/2009 02:02:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I don't see the foundation paying for my flights :) +(02/22/2009 02:02:33 PM) fmccor: So, it would be combined with the introduction of the new board? +(02/22/2009 02:03:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, It will be after the election and unless you change your mind, you won't be a trustee then ... +(02/22/2009 02:03:15 PM) dmwaters: ah ok:P +(02/22/2009 02:03:24 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers: pONG +(02/22/2009 02:03:28 PM) jmbsvicetto: sorry +(02/22/2009 02:04:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yes. so we can introduce the new trustees, Typically, the meeting would elect trustees but we will have done it before hand which is ok +(02/22/2009 02:04:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hi jmbsvicetto, just wanted to let you know about the boards decision regarding an uncontested election +(02/22/2009 02:04:31 PM) fmccor: Makes sense. +(02/22/2009 02:04:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, what topics are we legally obliged to discuss ? +(02/22/2009 02:05:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: In the UK, it would be reports from all the officers +(02/22/2009 02:05:22 PM) fmccor: I don't know that there are any. Typically, financial things (like annual report). +(02/22/2009 02:05:24 PM) jmbsvicetto: quantumsummers: we were expecting that already. Thanks for the poke, though +(02/22/2009 02:05:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: kk +(02/22/2009 02:06:35 PM) fmccor: Yes, the annual report would contain reports from the officers. Let me see if I can track it down quickly. +(02/22/2009 02:06:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: Chairmans report, secys report ... Assets and liabilities ... balance sheet etc +(02/22/2009 02:07:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, we don't need it right now but it looks like there will be some prep to go into it +(02/22/2009 02:08:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: The annual report is a public document which we should circulate to members and post on the web +(02/22/2009 02:08:58 PM) fmccor: OK, the annual meeting is pretty much driven by the members. There is no specific set of topics which must be covered. +(02/22/2009 02:09:50 PM) fmccor: I'd expect to present a "State of the Foundation" report and then take questions, perhaps submitted before the meeting. +(02/22/2009 02:11:02 PM) fmccor: There is no penalty for not holding one even though a meeting is required by statute --- but if we don't hold one, any member can get a court order forcing one. +(02/22/2009 02:11:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok - lets firm it up on trustees@ then +(02/22/2009 02:11:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yeah ... lets just hold an AGM so we can be seen to be open +(02/22/2009 02:12:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda Item 7 Date of Next Meeting - Sunday 15 March 2009 1900 UTC +(02/22/2009 02:12:12 PM) fmccor: I wasn't suggesting we not hold one. :) +(02/22/2009 02:12:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: Is that ok for everyone ? +(02/22/2009 02:12:23 PM) fmccor: Should be OK. +(02/22/2009 02:12:27 PM) dmwaters: can we please make that a different date +(02/22/2009 02:12:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, suggestions ? +(02/22/2009 02:12:45 PM) dmwaters: that's my birthday and i know i won't be around, heh +(02/22/2009 02:12:59 PM) dmwaters: what about the sunday after? +(02/22/2009 02:13:04 PM) fmccor: The 22nd then? +(02/22/2009 02:13:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the next weekend is pycon & I will be unavailable +(02/22/2009 02:13:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can do any day at 19:00 UTC +(02/22/2009 02:13:20 PM) dmwaters: hmm +(02/22/2009 02:13:22 PM) fmccor: So can I. +(02/22/2009 02:13:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: oh, wait nm +(02/22/2009 02:13:29 PM) dmwaters: monday the 16th? +(02/22/2009 02:13:55 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, You were saying? +(02/22/2009 02:13:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: weekdays, 2000 might be better - work can get a bit hetic +(02/22/2009 02:14:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: Monday 16 at what time ? +(02/22/2009 02:14:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor I can be there on the 22nd, or the 16h +(02/22/2009 02:14:47 PM) dmwaters: if the 22nd is better we can do that +(02/22/2009 02:14:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: 2000UTC is good here +(02/22/2009 02:14:58 PM) fmccor: The 22nd then --- I don't think tsunam can make workdays +(02/22/2009 02:15:03 PM) dmwaters: up to you guys, just not the 15th please :) +(02/22/2009 02:15:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: happy impending bday dmwaters +(02/22/2009 02:15:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets do Sunday 22nd at 1900 then ... keep things as normal as possible +(02/22/2009 02:15:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(02/22/2009 02:15:27 PM) dmwaters: ok +(02/22/2009 02:15:49 PM) fmccor: US will be going to daylight time someplace in there, so yes, please keep it 1900. :) +(02/22/2009 02:15:58 PM) dmwaters: the 8th of march +(02/22/2009 02:16:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 8 Any other business +(02/22/2009 02:16:01 PM) dmwaters: i think +(02/22/2009 02:16:07 PM) dmwaters: is daylight savings time +(02/22/2009 02:16:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Pycon 2009 +(02/22/2009 02:16:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: march 27-29 +(02/22/2009 02:16:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, yep ... for the USA +(02/22/2009 02:16:33 PM) fmccor: dmwaters, So soon. :( That's just 2 weeks. +(02/22/2009 02:16:45 PM) dmwaters: fmccor: nod +(02/22/2009 02:16:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will be organizing a gentoo BoF again +(02/22/2009 02:17:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: do we want anything to be available? +(02/22/2009 02:17:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: like tshirts, stickers, etc +(02/22/2009 02:17:40 PM) fmccor: I'd think so +(02/22/2009 02:17:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'm doing a little presentation on gentoo/python/django +(02/22/2009 02:17:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: should have a nice turnout +(02/22/2009 02:17:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, get stuff organised early ... nobody did it for FOSDEM so it didn't happen +(02/22/2009 02:18:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will +(02/22/2009 02:18:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its in a month so not much time +(02/22/2009 02:18:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: exactly +(02/22/2009 02:18:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: is there a budget you would like me to stick to? +(02/22/2009 02:18:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: tee shirts and stuff will be 3 weeks +(02/22/2009 02:19:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think maybe 50 stickers & some tsirts +(02/22/2009 02:19:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, make a proposal on trustees@ +(02/22/2009 02:19:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, will do +(02/22/2009 02:19:36 PM) #gentoo-trustees: mode (+v araujo ) by ChanServ +(02/22/2009 02:19:38 PM) araujo: hello all +(02/22/2009 02:19:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: araujo is here +(02/22/2009 02:19:57 PM) araujo: quantumsummers, let me upload a new version of the cert right now +(02/22/2009 02:20:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: araujo: what is the status, ah, great +(02/22/2009 02:20:10 PM) araujo: what's up guys? :) +(02/22/2009 02:20:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: araujo: just finishing a meeting +(02/22/2009 02:20:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: araujo, can you upload the master so the foundation can maintain it please ? +(02/22/2009 02:20:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: glad I caught you +(02/22/2009 02:20:32 PM) araujo: quantumsummers, well.. if the community likes the current design, I guess this is pretty much done +(02/22/2009 02:20:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: araujo: what are you using to make it +(02/22/2009 02:20:45 PM) araujo: NeddySeagoon, of course I can, I do it right now +(02/22/2009 02:20:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: araujo, thanks +(02/22/2009 02:21:02 PM) araujo: quantumsummers, scribus, I will upload the sources right now +(02/22/2009 02:21:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: perfect, thanks araujo +(02/22/2009 02:21:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: any more for any more ? +(02/22/2009 02:21:18 PM) ***tanderson may need one of them sometime +(02/22/2009 02:21:22 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair like scribus alot +(02/22/2009 02:21:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: not for me +(02/22/2009 02:21:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: Agenda Item 9 ... Open floor +(02/22/2009 02:21:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have one thing ... +(02/22/2009 02:22:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yessir +(02/22/2009 02:22:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: Happy birthday when it comes dmwaters +(02/22/2009 02:22:12 PM) dmwaters: NeddySeagoon: hehe +(02/22/2009 02:22:24 PM) dmwaters: NeddySeagoon: i feel old already;p +(02/22/2009 02:22:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, is it a big one ? +(02/22/2009 02:22:46 PM) dmwaters: NeddySeagoon: sort of +(02/22/2009 02:23:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: dmwaters, enjoy yourself but don't get too hung over +(02/22/2009 02:23:49 PM) dmwaters: NeddySeagoon: i think the general plan seems to be for my aunt to take me out on the town and go drinking +(02/22/2009 02:23:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: stay away from the tequilla +(02/22/2009 02:24:03 PM) antarus: and the yaeger, and... +(02/22/2009 02:24:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lol +(02/22/2009 02:24:12 PM) dmwaters: lol +(02/22/2009 02:24:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: any more for any more ... +(02/22/2009 02:24:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: not I +(02/22/2009 02:24:33 PM) dmwaters: i learned my drinking lessons 10 years ago guys;p +(02/22/2009 02:24:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :D +(02/22/2009 02:24:44 PM) fmccor: Not for me. +(02/22/2009 02:24:48 PM) antarus: I never learned ;) +(02/22/2009 02:24:48 PM) ***NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2009/trustees_meeting_log_2009june14.txt b/2009/trustees_meeting_log_2009june14.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..76d4740 --- /dev/null +++ b/2009/trustees_meeting_log_2009june14.txt @@ -0,0 +1,568 @@ +(06/14/2009 02:00:49 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order. +(06/14/2009 02:00:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: Roll call +(06/14/2009 02:00:58 PM) tsunam_: here +(06/14/2009 02:00:59 PM) fmccor: Here. +(06/14/2009 02:01:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, robbat2 ? +(06/14/2009 02:01:36 PM) robbat2: i'm here +(06/14/2009 02:02:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: We have a quaram ... lets skip Agenda +item 1. We all know one another. +(06/14/2009 02:02:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 2 Actions From the Last Meeting +(06/14/2009 02:02:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: skipping quantumsummers stuff ... we can +come back to it if he shows up +(06/14/2009 02:02:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June +2008 thats last year +(06/14/2009 02:02:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, ^^ +(06/14/2009 02:03:16 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is here, sorry I'm late ... I +gotta unload the car real quick +(06/14/2009 02:03:18 PM) tsunam_: Fiscal year isn't up yet +(06/14/2009 02:03:29 PM) tsunam_: so I can't give a report on our fiscal year +end totals yet ^_^ +(06/14/2009 02:03:35 PM) robbat2: ending 2008, not 09 +(06/14/2009 02:03:38 PM) fmccor: Ends July !? +(06/14/2009 02:03:39 PM) tsunam_: oh +(06/14/2009 02:03:43 PM) tsunam_: sorry +(06/14/2009 02:03:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, thats for fiscal year ending +June 2008 not 2009 +(06/14/2009 02:03:50 PM) tsunam_: my bad +(06/14/2009 02:04:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: you were haveing paypal issues +(06/14/2009 02:04:39 PM) tsunam_: I've not finished it yet :( I got all the data +from 2005-2009 so far +(06/14/2009 02:04:49 PM) tsunam_: I need to review each report we've generated +and confirm everything +(06/14/2009 02:05:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Will the IRS want it if we get audited ? +(06/14/2009 02:05:09 PM) tsunam_: yes they would +(06/14/2009 02:05:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: So its a 'must do' and FY 09 ends in two +weeks. so we will have another report to do. +(06/14/2009 02:06:01 PM) tsunam_: I'd also liketo be able to with absolute +certainty say that the reports are accurate (pending ing finalizing) +(06/14/2009 02:06:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, do you have the time to do it +(06/14/2009 02:06:11 PM) tsunam_: yes I will get it done +(06/14/2009 02:06:11 PM) robbat2: tsunam_, what help do you need from me on +those? +(06/14/2009 02:06:26 PM) robbat2: since I noted the needed corrections to the +previous ones +(06/14/2009 02:06:27 PM) tsunam_: robbat2: review things when I finish them +(06/14/2009 02:06:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we can talk to the cpa as well +(06/14/2009 02:06:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'll need to pass them along to +her anyway +(06/14/2009 02:06:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, we will come back to your +stuff +(06/14/2009 02:07:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(06/14/2009 02:07:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, now you have all the info ... +give us a date to complete 2008 +(06/14/2009 02:07:49 PM) tsunam_: NeddySeagoon: I'll have it done within the +next 2 weeks +(06/14/2009 02:07:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(06/14/2009 02:08:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: and 2009 for the Aug meeting ? thats 6 +weeks after the FY end ? +(06/14/2009 02:08:38 PM) tsunam_: *nods* +(06/14/2009 02:09:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, thats FY 2008 to robbat2 for +review in two weeks and presented to the meeting in July ? +(06/14/2009 02:09:19 PM) tsunam_: yep +(06/14/2009 02:09:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fine. +(06/14/2009 02:09:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: back to Certified Public Accountant - +quantumsummers +(06/14/2009 02:10:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: Hmm - must still be unloading his car +(06/14/2009 02:10:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: Trustees and Foundation Article For the +News Feed (was GMN) +(06/14/2009 02:10:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hey there, so tsunam_ I'm gonna +need all that financial data to complete the f1023 for for 501c3, I will go +thru the data + reports with the CPA when I get it +(06/14/2009 02:11:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'll admit to slacking on this one. I +have a link from fmccor +(06/14/2009 02:11:06 PM) tsunam_: quantumsummers: sure +(06/14/2009 02:11:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'd say I'm about 75% thru the +form otherwise +(06/14/2009 02:11:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: can have it to everyone after I +get the fin data +(06/14/2009 02:11:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sorry its taken me more time +than I thought +(06/14/2009 02:11:44 PM) tsunam_: quantumsummers: again right now its just +paypal related. Hopefully next week I should have ing related funds (netbank) +as well as much as I can, which is "this is the total in that account" +(06/14/2009 02:12:04 PM) tsunam_: quantumsummers: I assume you need the +netbank/ing numbers as well? +(06/14/2009 02:12:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: righto, nothing fancy id needed +for the cpa, that sounds great +(06/14/2009 02:12:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: s/id/is +(06/14/2009 02:12:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, yes please ... I'd like +to know what I'm getting into as I'm not familiar with the finer points of US +law +(06/14/2009 02:12:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I will post it +around, we'll need to vote on it, perhaps via an "emergency" meeting or +whatever (note this is not an emergency) +(06/14/2009 02:13:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I don't want to get +extradited. I like here :) +(06/14/2009 02:13:36 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Don't need a a meeting to vite, +I think. +(06/14/2009 02:13:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can vote in email +(06/14/2009 02:13:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its a huge form & I'm +assembling all the doc in the checklist as well which will include financial +statements +(06/14/2009 02:13:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that'll work +(06/14/2009 02:14:14 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(06/14/2009 02:14:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: As long as we have an audit trail +(06/14/2009 02:14:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sounds like we will +(06/14/2009 02:15:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, is that you done for the +CPA or did you just sneak another agenda item in ? +(06/14/2009 02:15:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we have to file the so-called +schedule E since we did ont file for 501c3 in 27 months from incorp +(06/14/2009 02:15:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: CPA is assisting me, so it is +relevant +(06/14/2009 02:15:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: (to me :D ) +(06/14/2009 02:16:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, done I think, unless anyone +has questions +(06/14/2009 02:16:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ok, you want to do the +CPA update +(06/14/2009 02:16:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok ... next Send friendly cease and +desist emails to copyright infringers - quantumsummers +(06/14/2009 02:16:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sure, CPA will review +financials for inclusion in f1023 for 501c3 when ready as well as the form +(06/14/2009 02:17:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: re C&D +(06/14/2009 02:17:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: sorry +(06/14/2009 02:17:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its ok, that was it +(06/14/2009 02:17:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: next Send friendly cease and desist +emails to copyright infringers - quantumsummers +(06/14/2009 02:17:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so, I wrote all this code to +make it easy to email the individual IP infringers +(06/14/2009 02:17:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: then I set about gathering +email addys from cafepress, +(06/14/2009 02:17:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: did you test it :) +(06/14/2009 02:17:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: they do not display them +(06/14/2009 02:18:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I found a procedure for IP +infringement +(06/14/2009 02:18:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: take it up with cafepress directly. +explain we want to be friendly +(06/14/2009 02:18:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so I have emailed the people at +cafepress regarding a long list of every item that I could find that infringes +(06/14/2009 02:18:46 PM) robbat2: brb, cat emergency +(06/14/2009 02:19:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thus its "in the pipe" +(06/14/2009 02:19:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: heard back & they are "looking +into the matter" +(06/14/2009 02:19:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: nothing since, its been a week +or so, if I do not hear from them on Monday I will email again +(06/14/2009 02:19:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok. No need to stay on cafepress .... +IP applies everywhere in the USA for us anyway +(06/14/2009 02:20:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: well right, but tracking all +that down is no easy task. cafe press is a good place to start, it seems. +(06/14/2009 02:20:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: Sounds good. We can continue this next +meeting now its moving +(06/14/2009 02:20:37 PM) fmccor: robbat2, Cats take precedent over almost +ererything else (except for my pythons, of course.) +(06/14/2009 02:20:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I will report on said +action at that point, unless something demands the boards attention +(06/14/2009 02:20:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep. I was wondering if we should keep +an eye on Europe too as the e.V. is not very active +(06/14/2009 02:21:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that is a good question, we +need to get that situation buttoned up +(06/14/2009 02:21:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: since we do not own the TM in +EU, it might prove difficult to operate as protectors +(06/14/2009 02:21:53 PM) ***fmccor thinks e.V., actice or not, is a plus for us. +(06/14/2009 02:22:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can keep an eye on whats happening but +we cannot enforce a copyright we don't own +(06/14/2009 02:22:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: unless they appoint us as proxy +for their board +(06/14/2009 02:22:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can poke the e.V. though +(06/14/2009 02:22:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: that works too +(06/14/2009 02:23:03 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, I think we metioned that once, +or perhaps I only dreamed it? +(06/14/2009 02:23:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: Your last one quantumsummers +(06/14/2009 02:23:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: Foundation Knowledge Management Needs - +quantumsummers +(06/14/2009 02:23:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: re KM: I have all the initial +functionality in place, finishing theming atm +(06/14/2009 02:24:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will host it on my infra, so +it will be easy for me to debug if any issues occur +(06/14/2009 02:24:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: progress ... that what was needed. Ok +wrt hosting +(06/14/2009 02:24:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok. I can get you guys into the +basic iface next week if you want +(06/14/2009 02:25:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok. It will be good to play with +(06/14/2009 02:25:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will then need to write some +custom report modules as we discover new needs +(06/14/2009 02:25:04 PM) robbat2: back. cat made an escape attempt +(06/14/2009 02:25:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can haz FREEDOM!?! +(06/14/2009 02:25:31 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair has 2 cats +(06/14/2009 02:25:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: cat ok robbat2 +(06/14/2009 02:25:52 PM) robbat2: yeah +(06/14/2009 02:26:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: very much like garfield & +nermal, though not in appearance +(06/14/2009 02:26:05 PM) ***fmccor has 3 pythons. :) +(06/14/2009 02:26:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yikes +(06/14/2009 02:26:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ride then snake +(06/14/2009 02:26:22 PM) ***NeddySeagoon has a wife and son +(06/14/2009 02:26:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(06/14/2009 02:26:30 PM) tsunam_: heh +(06/14/2009 02:26:32 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair has wife +(06/14/2009 02:26:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: Trustees and Foundation Article For the +News Feed (was GMN) +(06/14/2009 02:26:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: is that thing public +yet? +(06/14/2009 02:27:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, sent me a link ... I failed due +to real life +(06/14/2009 02:27:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: new blag that is +(06/14/2009 02:27:14 PM) fmccor: Done, execpt for update following this meeting. +(06/14/2009 02:27:17 PM) robbat2: i'm not sure if nightmorph has launched it +(06/14/2009 02:27:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I need to send my bio +still. I will do that after the meeting +(06/14/2009 02:27:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or suring, if time permits +(06/14/2009 02:27:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: *during +(06/14/2009 02:28:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, tsunam_ quantumsummers ... you +going to do something ? +(06/14/2009 02:28:20 PM) robbat2: if I get time, i'll see about a writeup for me +(06/14/2009 02:28:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will, kick me for slacking on +that +(06/14/2009 02:28:41 PM) tsunam_: x2 to robbat2's comment +(06/14/2009 02:29:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: It will be a couple of months before I +get much time. I have a new job, so I'm winding down the old one .. +(06/14/2009 02:29:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, you are going to be busy on the +accounts ... that must come first +(06/14/2009 02:29:46 PM) tsunam_: *nods* +(06/14/2009 02:29:55 PM) tsunam_: been busy with that stuff for a while :( +(06/14/2009 02:30:10 PM) fmccor: tsunam_, Your picture says it all. :) +(06/14/2009 02:30:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: yeah. +(06/14/2009 02:30:17 PM) tsunam_: hah +(06/14/2009 02:30:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: 3. Actions From Previous Meetings on hold +for one or more actions above ... +(06/14/2009 02:30:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: Working with Gentoo e.V. - fmccor (On +hold for Feb/Mar Gentoo e.V. meeting) +(06/14/2009 02:30:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: This is holding up all the rest un this +section +(06/14/2009 02:31:10 PM) fmccor: Haven't heard from e.V, and I prefer that they +keei the copywritht. +(06/14/2009 02:31:23 PM) fmccor: ^eei^eep +(06/14/2009 02:31:47 PM) fmccor: ^tht^ght^ +(06/14/2009 02:31:57 PM) tsunam_: ... +(06/14/2009 02:32:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: It makes things easier but I don't want +it to die of neglect, like the Foundation almost did +(06/14/2009 02:32:34 PM) fmccor: No, I,m still on it. +(06/14/2009 02:32:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: It will be much more difficult to pick up +the pieces in Germany +(06/14/2009 02:33:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, what are you doing and when are +you going to do it by? +(06/14/2009 02:33:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: It must be difficult if the e.V don't +respond +(06/14/2009 02:34:34 PM) fmccor: All I can do is ask dertobi123 for progress. I +can't give a date bacause it's not in my control. +(06/14/2009 02:35:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its not in dertobi123s control either. +The e.V. board needs to meet +(06/14/2009 02:35:33 PM) fmccor: That's out of my control too. +(06/14/2009 02:35:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, do they have bylaws like we do +that can be used to force a meeting ? +(06/14/2009 02:36:15 PM) fmccor: They have bylaws. I'll have to read them again +to answer that. +(06/14/2009 02:36:49 PM) fmccor: They are a German corporation. +(06/14/2009 02:37:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: I would like to see the e.V survive, but +it needs to be pushed a little +(06/14/2009 02:37:16 PM) ***dertobi123 sighs +(06/14/2009 02:37:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: I don't read German at all +(06/14/2009 02:37:27 PM) dertobi123: just saw the hilight +(06/14/2009 02:37:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, welcome ... care to say a few +words ? +(06/14/2009 02:37:49 PM) ***fmccor does, but hasn't looked at them for a while. +(06/14/2009 02:38:24 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: i sent the mail i promised to +sent out to our members (and board, too), feedback is kinda like zero +(06/14/2009 02:39:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, I guessed that. I suspect +that he e.V is going through what the Foundation went through +(06/14/2009 02:39:27 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: yeah :( +(06/14/2009 02:39:37 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, From my point of view, strictly +mine, I'd prefer e.V to keep the trademarks(s) and work wit us. +(06/14/2009 02:39:50 PM) dertobi123: though we're making some (small) progress +on other things +(06/14/2009 02:40:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, do you have any suggestions +about how the Foundation can help the e.V. +(06/14/2009 02:40:00 PM) fmccor: ^wit^witt^ +(06/14/2009 02:40:24 PM) fmccor: ^witt^with^ :) +(06/14/2009 02:41:01 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: not really. we finally need +to hold our general meeting (somewhen after the summer holidays probably) and +elect a new board. +(06/14/2009 02:41:30 PM) tsunam_: dertobi123: which holidays...germany has a +crap ton of them all the time :-P +(06/14/2009 02:41:50 PM) dertobi123: i'm trying to find other people who i +personally think might help as board members, but well ... i'm doing that for +quite some time now and wasn't that successful yet :/ +(06/14/2009 02:42:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, can you estimate a month ? +So we can update our agenda please +(06/14/2009 02:42:18 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: late september or october +(06/14/2009 02:42:18 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, Is there any way I can participate? +My German is still functional but not fluent any more. +(06/14/2009 02:42:41 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: maybe some weeks earlier, but +the main problem isn't the meeting but to find a new board +(06/14/2009 02:43:41 PM) dertobi123: fmccor: we need to find people interested +in keeping the e.v. alive and doing work. not sure if someone from the states +can help with that. but if there's anything you could with i'll contact you +(06/14/2009 02:43:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, ok, we will not discuss the +topic until October then. Meanwhile, whe have two European orgainations that +have applied to us for licencing. they should have applied to the e.V. Is +there anything that can be done to help them ? +(06/14/2009 02:45:01 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, Thank you. +(06/14/2009 02:45:26 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: fwd their requests please, as +long as they're not doing anything commercial we don't have a problem with +that. if else it needs to be discussed. +(06/14/2009 02:45:56 PM) dertobi123: besides fmccor being in favor of us keeping +the trademark (correct), where do the other ones stand? +(06/14/2009 02:45:57 PM) fmccor: (das ist, Danke.) +(06/14/2009 02:46:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, ok. I'll forward them to you +and send them an update with whats happening +(06/14/2009 02:46:10 PM) dertobi123: ok +(06/14/2009 02:46:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, thanks for the update +(06/14/2009 02:46:51 PM) dertobi123: i'll mail -core/-project somewhen before +the general meeting, maybe we find some people interested in helping us +(06/14/2009 02:46:54 PM) dertobi123: *shrugs* +(06/14/2009 02:47:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, I would like to see a working +e.V. as it would be good to have seperate orgainisation in Europe and the USA +(06/14/2009 02:47:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bonsaikitten: < might help +(06/14/2009 02:47:25 PM) bonsaikitten: what! +(06/14/2009 02:47:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bonsaikitten: help gentoo ev +(06/14/2009 02:47:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I know ya wanna +(06/14/2009 02:47:55 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, I'm interested and will be +avaliable. And yes, partick is a good choice. +(06/14/2009 02:48:20 PM) fmccor: ^rt^tr^ +(06/14/2009 02:48:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets get back to our meeting +(06/14/2009 02:48:53 PM) fmccor: bonsaikitten, sorry to mangle your name. My +typing is generally bad. +(06/14/2009 02:49:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: # Licencing For emtom.cz - quantumsummers +(On hold for Feb/Mar Gentoo e.V meeting) +(06/14/2009 02:49:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: # Licencing For Projektfarm GmbH - +quantumsummers (On Hold for Feb/Mar Gentoo e.V meeting) +(06/14/2009 02:49:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: is covered +(06/14/2009 02:49:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(06/14/2009 02:49:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fix name and address on IPR/trademark +documents, 31 Aug 2008 meeting authorised the $200 fees - fmccor +(06/14/2009 02:50:57 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair thought that the above was +completed +(06/14/2009 02:51:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ^ +(06/14/2009 02:51:50 PM) fmccor: All a mess. I don't know what's happened, and +I don't think we have a lawyer looking at it. +(06/14/2009 02:52:08 PM) fmccor: Now, i can do forms, if I can find them. +(06/14/2009 02:52:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: what happened ? It was one of the Pro +Bono firms looking at it and the $200 was for fees +(06/14/2009 02:53:03 PM) fmccor: I want to move everything to Boston, but since +we are represented pro bono, we are not first priority, +(06/14/2009 02:53:13 PM) tsunam_: *nods8 +(06/14/2009 02:53:31 PM) tsunam_: is there a reason for wanting to move +everything to the boston group? +(06/14/2009 02:53:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: I understand. Why the move though ? +(06/14/2009 02:53:39 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I know what happened, but it is a +private communication. +(06/14/2009 02:53:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: I respect that +(06/14/2009 02:54:23 PM) fmccor: I *think* the west coast firm is in some +trouble, but that is pure speculation. +(06/14/2009 02:54:59 PM) fmccor: For moving? Yes, it's more efficient. +(06/14/2009 02:55:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sounds good to me +(06/14/2009 02:55:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: Is Boston interested in the work ? +(06/14/2009 02:55:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will need to talk with them +once we have our temp 501c3 letter, it will make them happy to write off some +of the work +(06/14/2009 02:55:52 PM) fmccor: They were. But that's before our economy +tanked. +(06/14/2009 02:56:04 PM) tsunam_: *nods* +(06/14/2009 02:56:12 PM) tsunam_: yes the 501c3 would make them happy +(06/14/2009 02:57:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, See what you can find out from +both firms ... that you can share with the rest of us so we can make an +informed decision. I don't want us to act on speculation +(06/14/2009 02:57:12 PM) fmccor: Problem is they are pro bono. If we paid them, +there would be no problem. Personally, I think asking for free representation +is a loser, but no one has ever agreed with me. +(06/14/2009 02:57:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: Ask about fees too. Maybe in bad times +we would get a good price ? +(06/14/2009 02:57:51 PM) tsunam_: fmccor: even having a "retention" lawyer is +not cheap +(06/14/2009 02:58:02 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, Will do. I've been holding off +just to see what west coast would say. +(06/14/2009 02:58:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, its all about getting the +information we need to make a decsion. Be it fee paying, moving ... whatever +(06/14/2009 02:59:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: 4 Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees +(06/14/2009 02:59:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: 253491 Gentoo Store - Add Case stickers, +badges ... +(06/14/2009 03:00:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: This is open to discuss rearranging the +link to the gentoo store. +(06/14/2009 03:00:29 PM) fmccor: We want to move --- just to consolidate if +nothing else. Boston is waiting to hear from Kazakhstan, and no one has +control over that. (Bug 264682) +(06/14/2009 03:00:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: All our licenced vendors should have a +link here +(06/14/2009 03:00:30 PM) Willikins: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/264682 "www.linuxcenter.kz wish to be our vendors in +Kazakhstan"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o +(06/14/2009 03:01:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have nothing against the +move/consolidation as long as we don't lose any skills in the process +(06/14/2009 03:02:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, how do we get a Gentoo Stores +page, in place of a single link ? +(06/14/2009 03:02:53 PM) robbat2: easy enough +(06/14/2009 03:03:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: Who has access besides you ? +(06/14/2009 03:03:13 PM) robbat2: i'll put it at /main/en/stores.xml +(06/14/2009 03:03:17 PM) robbat2: the web team +(06/14/2009 03:03:21 PM) robbat2: neysx chiefly +(06/14/2009 03:03:53 PM) robbat2: +cvsweb:!:3001:pauldv,klieber,g2boojum,neysx,solar,ramereth,fox2mike,nightmorph,robbat2,musikc,dberkholz,antarus,jmbsvicetto,ford_prefect +(06/14/2009 03:04:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: So we would have to raise a bug to get it +changed ? +(06/14/2009 03:04:29 PM) robbat2: i can just give somebody else amongst the +trustees perms +(06/14/2009 03:04:32 PM) robbat2: that has two of us then +(06/14/2009 03:04:46 PM) robbat2: you want it? +(06/14/2009 03:04:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: amd musikc is there two, she looks after +the shop +(06/14/2009 03:05:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: OK, as long as the web team is happy with +that +(06/14/2009 03:05:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: What I ahve in mind is a list of approved +vendors and an invitation to report any unapproved ones +(06/14/2009 03:06:20 PM) robbat2: ok, i'll make a simple page for the moment, +and give you perms, and you can improve it thereafter +(06/14/2009 03:06:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, tsunam_ quantumsummers ^^ are +you ok with that ? +(06/14/2009 03:06:36 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(06/14/2009 03:06:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, works for me. +(06/14/2009 03:07:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: Do we need a vote ? +(06/14/2009 03:07:27 PM) tsunam_: sure +(06/14/2009 03:07:35 PM) tsunam_: don't believe we need one +(06/14/2009 03:07:39 PM) fmccor: Yes, again. +(06/14/2009 03:07:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: We seem to have a majority anyway. +(06/14/2009 03:08:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: 254249 gentoo.org Website Redesign +(06/14/2009 03:08:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: #254249 +(06/14/2009 03:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: This keeps coming up but nobody wants to +do it. Lets close it +(06/14/2009 03:09:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: !254249 +(06/14/2009 03:09:13 PM) fmccor: Works for me. +(06/14/2009 03:09:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, quantumsummers robbat2 ^^ +(06/14/2009 03:09:47 PM) robbat2: +! +(06/14/2009 03:09:49 PM) robbat2: err +(06/14/2009 03:09:50 PM) robbat2: +1 +(06/14/2009 03:09:50 PM) tsunam_: we can close it :( +(06/14/2009 03:10:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: #254588 Possible confusion over use of +the Gentoo Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo +(06/14/2009 03:10:25 PM) jmbsvicetto: robbat2: I now have access to cvsweb? +(06/14/2009 03:10:38 PM) jmbsvicetto: robbat2: I wasn't aware of that +(06/14/2009 03:10:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Did this get fixed ? The main page +didn't use tux last time I looked +(06/14/2009 03:11:05 PM) robbat2: look at "Website tweaks bring more life and +usability to the homepage" +(06/14/2009 03:11:07 PM) robbat2: it's there still +(06/14/2009 03:11:15 PM) robbat2: assuming that's the one people were talking +about +(06/14/2009 03:11:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep, its still wrong. We are moving to +the kernel logo +(06/14/2009 03:12:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: The new image was on the bug ... so how +do we throw the switch and who do we poke ? +(06/14/2009 03:15:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, tsunam_ quantumsummers fmccor +^^^ +(06/14/2009 03:15:39 PM) tsunam_: we need to change it so *shrugs* +(06/14/2009 03:15:39 PM) robbat2: one sec, i'm just finishing the stores.xml +(06/14/2009 03:16:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the image needs to change +(06/14/2009 03:16:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have no opinion on the web +redesign bug, as I am moving forward on something alone it appears +(06/14/2009 03:16:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: Who takes the the work on the bug and +applies it to the website ? +(06/14/2009 03:16:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'll finish it & submit for +comments +(06/14/2009 03:17:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: no idea who does that +(06/14/2009 03:17:04 PM) robbat2: stores.xml will go live on the next web update +pass +(06/14/2009 03:17:08 PM) tsunam_: k +(06/14/2009 03:17:09 PM) robbat2: i'll do the image change in a moment too +(06/14/2009 03:17:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I don't think the web +redesign is related to what you are doing +(06/14/2009 03:17:20 PM) robbat2: Willikins, bug 254588 +(06/14/2009 03:17:23 PM) Willikins: robbat2: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/254588 "Possible confusion over use of the Gentoo +Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo"; Documentation, Other documents; REOP; +fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o +(06/14/2009 03:17:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, thanks +(06/14/2009 03:19:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 264682 linuxcenter.kz wish to be our +vendors in Kazakhstan +(06/14/2009 03:19:02 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/264682 "www.linuxcenter.kz wish to be our vendors in +Kazakhstan"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o +(06/14/2009 03:19:48 PM) fmccor: Let's just bless them. They are going to do it +whatever we say, and the had the courtesy to ask. +(06/14/2009 03:20:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: OK, In view of lawyer termoil, I agree +(06/14/2009 03:20:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: me too +(06/14/2009 03:20:36 PM) tsunam_: k +(06/14/2009 03:20:48 PM) fmccor: To register the trademarks will be very +expensive, if the local lawyers even respond at all. +(06/14/2009 03:20:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, you want to write to them +please +(06/14/2009 03:21:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: can do +(06/14/2009 03:21:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, lets ask them if they can +reccomend a law firm +(06/14/2009 03:22:28 PM) robbat2: penguin icon changed +(06/14/2009 03:22:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can add that to the letter I +send +(06/14/2009 03:22:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thanks robbat2 +(06/14/2009 03:22:49 PM) fmccor: Can do. Please prod me later if I don'd do +anything. (Headache is worse, and I'm fading.) +(06/14/2009 03:22:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks robbat2 +(06/14/2009 03:23:20 PM) robbat2: is that all of the bugs done? +(06/14/2009 03:23:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yesir +(06/14/2009 03:23:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: I propose we skip items 5-9 on the agenda +as its been a long meeting and there is nothing urgent there +(06/14/2009 03:23:33 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(06/14/2009 03:23:45 PM) robbat2: 8/9 we can do, should just be votes? +(06/14/2009 03:24:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I agree, lets do 8 & 9 +(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: # +(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: * +(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: o +(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: # Appoint Roy Bamford as Chairman of the +Gentoo Linux Foundation Inc +(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: # Appoint Ferris McCormick as Vice-Chairman of +the Gentoo Linux Foundation Inc +(06/14/2009 03:24:19 PM) robbat2: oops, sorry about the weird header +(06/14/2009 03:24:23 PM) fmccor: No, let's just do * & 9. It;s pure +administrative, and we need to do it. +(06/14/2009 03:24:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, if you want. It make it easy to +split the offices and trustee positions later if we ant to +(06/14/2009 03:24:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: motion: appoint Roy chair & +Ferris Vice-Chair +(06/14/2009 03:24:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: secpnded +(06/14/2009 03:24:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: seconded +(06/14/2009 03:24:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Votes? +(06/14/2009 03:24:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(06/14/2009 03:24:59 PM) robbat2: aye +(06/14/2009 03:25:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes +(06/14/2009 03:25:01 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(06/14/2009 03:25:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tsunam_: ^? +(06/14/2009 03:25:16 PM) tsunam_: yep +(06/14/2009 03:25:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried +(06/14/2009 03:25:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Congrats, majority approve Roy +& Ferris as all round great fellas +(06/14/2009 03:25:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: Date of Next Meeting - 12th July 2009 +(06/14/2009 03:25:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe +(06/14/2009 03:25:49 PM) robbat2: i may be late or absent, depends on my flight +to Montreal +(06/14/2009 03:25:50 PM) ***fmccor will take that out of his write-up, then. +(06/14/2009 03:25:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lol +(06/14/2009 03:26:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats from our Calendar +(06/14/2009 03:26:15 PM) ***fmccor loves Montreal +(06/14/2009 03:26:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will be on a place at that +time, going from Cali, but I may be able to make some of the meeting +(06/14/2009 03:26:29 PM) robbat2: in theory I'll be landing in the airport +around 1855UTC +(06/14/2009 03:26:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: Should we change the date/time then ? +(06/14/2009 03:26:59 PM) tsunam_: hmm might be a good idea to have it another +day then with 2 memebers traveling +(06/14/2009 03:27:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sorry for the trouble, my wife +is in a wedding +(06/14/2009 03:27:16 PM) fmccor: Move it back a week if it helps. +(06/14/2009 03:27:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can do 1900 UTC any day +(06/14/2009 03:27:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that'll work well +(06/14/2009 03:27:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the next sunday that is +(06/14/2009 03:27:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: could try Monday as well +(06/14/2009 03:27:45 PM) robbat2: how's the day before? +(06/14/2009 03:27:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, you mean 5th or 19th > +(06/14/2009 03:27:59 PM) fmccor: 19th +(06/14/2009 03:28:02 PM) tsunam_: I'd prefer the 19th +(06/14/2009 03:28:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: My net access may be +spotty +(06/14/2009 03:28:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can do the 19th +(06/14/2009 03:28:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: 19th is good here +(06/14/2009 03:28:25 PM) robbat2: 19th +1 for me +(06/14/2009 03:28:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sold +(06/14/2009 03:28:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: Ok, its the 19th at 1900UTC +(06/14/2009 03:29:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: Any other business ? +(06/14/2009 03:29:14 PM) robbat2: none since we ran overtime already +(06/14/2009 03:29:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: seems fair +(06/14/2009 03:29:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: Open Floor ... +(06/14/2009 03:29:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: it might be good to do a +training sometime on the KM stuff, but I'll email around +(06/14/2009 03:29:55 PM) ***NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2009/trustees_meeting_log_2009may17.txt b/2009/trustees_meeting_log_2009may17.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d11a8d8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2009/trustees_meeting_log_2009may17.txt @@ -0,0 +1,844 @@ +(05/17/2009 02:00:38 PM) fmccor: OK. Let's start. tsunam is on vacation and +Toy is out collecting speeding tickets, so I guess we have robbat2 +quantumsummers and me. +(05/17/2009 02:00:46 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, here? +(05/17/2009 02:01:25 PM) fmccor: Maybe we have quantumsummers ? +(05/17/2009 02:02:28 PM) fmccor: (Can't start until he checks back in.) +(05/17/2009 02:02:32 PM) MinnieBannister: I'm here sort of +(05/17/2009 02:02:45 PM) fmccor: MinnieBannister, meeting is now yours. +(05/17/2009 02:03:22 PM) MinnieBannister: my main display has packed up and I +only have ssh to my logger +(05/17/2009 02:03:32 PM) MinnieBannister: fmccor: please run the meeting +(05/17/2009 02:03:46 PM) fmccor: OK, do you count as here? +(05/17/2009 02:04:05 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers was here an hour ago but seems +to have disappeared. +(05/17/2009 02:04:29 PM) MinnieBannister: yes. I don't have any GUI, so I can't +see the agenda but I can take part in discussion +(05/17/2009 02:05:08 PM) fmccor: First item is updated treasurer report, which +tsunam supplied last week. +(05/17/2009 02:05:15 PM) MinnieBannister: GNOME won't start on the netbook :( +(05/17/2009 02:05:33 PM) fmccor: Hm. +(05/17/2009 02:06:09 PM) MinnieBannister: fmccor: I've read it. Hes made the +corretions the meeting asked. I move that it be adopted +(05/17/2009 02:06:31 PM) fmccor: second +(05/17/2009 02:06:36 PM) fmccor: robbat2, ? +(05/17/2009 02:06:40 PM) robbat2: i'm around +(05/17/2009 02:06:47 PM) robbat2: no objections to it +(05/17/2009 02:06:55 PM) fmccor: As to the motion, any comments? +(05/17/2009 02:07:01 PM) robbat2: none +(05/17/2009 02:07:05 PM) fmccor: Vote: +(05/17/2009 02:07:08 PM) ***fmccor yes +(05/17/2009 02:07:10 PM) robbat2: yes +(05/17/2009 02:07:15 PM) MinnieBannister: yes +(05/17/2009 02:07:33 PM) fmccor: OK, it's accepted as submitted. +(05/17/2009 02:07:57 PM) MinnieBannister: it needs to get into the foundation +webspace +(05/17/2009 02:08:45 PM) fmccor: Yes, I'd expect tsunam or quantumsummers to put +it there. +(05/17/2009 02:08:51 PM) MinnieBannister: yep +(05/17/2009 02:09:05 PM) fmccor: I don't know where he's off to. +(05/17/2009 02:10:09 PM) MinnieBannister: next item ? +(05/17/2009 02:10:21 PM) fmccor: While we're on money, tsunam also asks +cafepress funds be sent to him or direct deposit. I suggest we authorize him +to set that up. +(05/17/2009 02:10:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hey hey, sorry I'm late +(05/17/2009 02:10:43 PM) fmccor: We've already given you one action item. :) +(05/17/2009 02:11:19 PM) fmccor: Unless there are objections, I move to +authorize tsunam to set that up with cafepress. +(05/17/2009 02:11:23 PM) MinnieBannister: fmccor: I prefer direct deposit as it +removes a single point of failure +(05/17/2009 02:11:48 PM) fmccor: I do too, it's just a matter of what cafepress +will do I think. +(05/17/2009 02:11:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: direct would be optimal +(05/17/2009 02:12:04 PM) robbat2: direct deposit if possible, otherwise switch +it to him +(05/17/2009 02:12:29 PM) fmccor: robbat2, I agree. Could you put that in form +of a motion, please? +(05/17/2009 02:13:03 PM) fmccor: Anyone? +(05/17/2009 02:13:07 PM) robbat2: Motion: cafepress fund transfers to be change +to direct deposit into the Gentoo Foundation bank account if possible, and if +not possible, to be sent to the current treasurer +(05/17/2009 02:13:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: second +(05/17/2009 02:13:21 PM) MinnieBannister: vote ... yes +(05/17/2009 02:13:22 PM) fmccor: Vote? +(05/17/2009 02:13:24 PM) robbat2: yes +(05/17/2009 02:13:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(05/17/2009 02:13:27 PM) ***fmccor yes +(05/17/2009 02:13:31 PM) fmccor: carried. +(05/17/2009 02:13:58 PM) fmccor: Next item. CPA --- quantumsummers +(05/17/2009 02:14:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: regarding previous action item, +I take it those need to be in guidexml +(05/17/2009 02:14:48 PM) fmccor: The treasurer's report? I suppose. +fmccor fmccor|away +(05/17/2009 02:15:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor as well as the sec +report, or are those fine in plain html? +(05/17/2009 02:15:35 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, You also have the knowledge +base item, so please do both at once. +(05/17/2009 02:15:48 PM) robbat2: ideally guidexml to merge with the rest of the +website, but they can be in plain html if there's no other choice +(05/17/2009 02:16:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: CPA, we are in good shape +there. 501c3 app is moving along, should have draft for approval by June +meeting +(05/17/2009 02:16:10 PM) robbat2: there's some toplevel script stuff that sucks +out titles from guidexml +(05/17/2009 02:16:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: I can guide 'em +(05/17/2009 02:16:34 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: leave them assss they +are - thats how they are/will be approved +(05/17/2009 02:17:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: as you wish. +(05/17/2009 02:17:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: any questions for the CPA or +regarding 1023 form? +(05/17/2009 02:18:03 PM) fmccor: Not I. +(05/17/2009 02:18:11 PM) robbat2: none from me +(05/17/2009 02:18:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'll run it by the CPA before +submission, of course +(05/17/2009 02:18:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(05/17/2009 02:18:44 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Is Knowledge Management still +targeted for June? +(05/17/2009 02:18:50 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: where is the form ? +(05/17/2009 02:19:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: +http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1023/index.html +fmccor fmccor|away +(05/17/2009 02:20:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor: on target for June +deployment of KMS +(05/17/2009 02:20:12 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: Ah, I thought you were +refering to a completed form +(05/17/2009 02:20:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: I'm not +finished with it, only about 40% +(05/17/2009 02:20:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its rather long +(05/17/2009 02:20:57 PM) fmccor: Fun. +(05/17/2009 02:21:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think I can have it cleared +by CPA & presented to the board for June +(05/17/2009 02:21:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: approval & submission +(05/17/2009 02:21:28 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: take your time and get +it right +(05/17/2009 02:21:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: thanks, yes. +(05/17/2009 02:22:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can pass the important stuff +around to you all if you want to assist in drafting sections +(05/17/2009 02:22:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(05/17/2009 02:22:34 PM) fmccor: Not really. +(05/17/2009 02:22:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: don't all jump up at once +(05/17/2009 02:22:38 PM) mode (+o NeddySeagoon ) by ChanServ +(05/17/2009 02:22:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :D +(05/17/2009 02:22:58 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: As an outsider, I'm +interested +(05/17/2009 02:23:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its cool, you will have to at +least read it before we vote on it +(05/17/2009 02:23:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: I can give +pretty fair directions on what is required +(05/17/2009 02:23:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have my main box going, so I'll swap +nicks here ... +(05/17/2009 02:23:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: beyond what the web site says +(05/17/2009 02:23:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I need to understand it +to vote on it +(05/17/2009 02:24:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: nice work +(05/17/2009 02:24:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: yes, completely +understand +(05/17/2009 02:24:24 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, you want the meeting now? +(05/17/2009 02:24:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, so if its at all possible I +will shoot to have some stuff for everyone to look at 2 weeks +(05/17/2009 02:24:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, no thanks ... just carry on +(05/17/2009 02:25:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, that will be good for me +and probably robbat2 as we are not US citizens +(05/17/2009 02:25:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: sounds good to +me, I think I can budget enough time to make that happen :)\ +(05/17/2009 02:26:16 PM) fmccor: OK, next item is treasurer's report for FY +ending June 2008. I haven't a clue on that and suggest we defer it for tsunam +unless someone knows. +(05/17/2009 02:27:06 PM) fmccor: Anyone? +(05/17/2009 02:27:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I thought that was what he +presented at the AGM +(05/17/2009 02:27:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I suggest we scrap it, as its +almost June 2009 and roll it into one report +(05/17/2009 02:27:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: oh, whoops 2008__8__ +(05/17/2009 02:27:38 PM) fmccor: That's fine with me. +(05/17/2009 02:27:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, our FY ends om 30 June. +(05/17/2009 02:27:51 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, I don't know, really. +(05/17/2009 02:28:22 PM) robbat2: the submitted one from before was up to March +31st +(05/17/2009 02:28:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: The original idea was to be able to +present accounts in July but with the banking issues, it didn't happen +(05/17/2009 02:28:35 PM) robbat2: he hasn't submitted the june info at all afaik +(05/17/2009 02:28:59 PM) fmccor: robbat2, What do you suggest? +(05/17/2009 02:29:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, was that march 31 08 or 09 ? +(05/17/2009 02:29:04 PM) robbat2: postpone +(05/17/2009 02:29:11 PM) robbat2: i'm not sure +(05/17/2009 02:29:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'm planning to work with Josh +to get the data aggregated +(05/17/2009 02:29:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can go with postpone +(05/17/2009 02:29:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: postpone is fine with me +(05/17/2009 02:29:45 PM) fmccor: Done --- we'll keep it on the agenda. +(05/17/2009 02:30:09 PM) fmccor: (Don't think we need a motion to carry +something over.) +(05/17/2009 02:30:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: nope +(05/17/2009 02:30:38 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Any more on knowledge +management? +(05/17/2009 02:30:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: since the next thing is +mine,... I have now written & tested some code for tracking all the IP +infringers, and hook into gpgme to send the freakin emails to them. This way we +can easily track what has been done & their responses, etc. I will begin +sending these out on Monday, please be aware that you will have several emails +in your box due to this +(05/17/2009 02:31:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: this code will be integrated +into the KMS +(05/17/2009 02:31:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: same system I used to send out +the emails to all members +(05/17/2009 02:31:38 PM) fmccor: Sorry, I missed you when I moved on to +treasurer. :) +(05/17/2009 02:31:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: which will also be available +(05/17/2009 02:32:16 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, thanks. +(05/17/2009 02:32:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its ok, I need to take some +responsibility for not getting the IP stuff done, this will take care of it +permanently +(05/17/2009 02:32:43 PM) fmccor: Yes, good thing. +(05/17/2009 02:32:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: is it possible to +connect to a db on our infra via ssh tunnel? +(05/17/2009 02:33:20 PM) robbat2: which box? +(05/17/2009 02:33:29 PM) robbat2: the one I was going to give you for running +the KMS? +(05/17/2009 02:33:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: doesn't matter, I meant in +principle +(05/17/2009 02:33:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or that yes +(05/17/2009 02:33:47 PM) robbat2: if the db is on our machines yes +(05/17/2009 02:33:52 PM) robbat2: if it's on the OSL db servers, no +(05/17/2009 02:34:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: basically, this email script +needs to have remote db access to hook into local gpg +(05/17/2009 02:34:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or run the mail locally somehow +& have whoever sending sign it +(05/17/2009 02:35:01 PM) robbat2: we'll work out something +(05/17/2009 02:35:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, cool +(05/17/2009 02:35:30 PM) fmccor: Next --- carry-over? +(05/17/2009 02:35:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep +(05/17/2009 02:35:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if needed I can always run this +off my infra until we can arrange a permanent solution +(05/17/2009 02:37:06 PM) fmccor: First is trustees&Foundation article for GMN. +We are now full strength, bug GMN is gone. I think we should put together the +article now and consider how to publish it. +(05/17/2009 02:37:32 PM) robbat2: put the article together, the news blog will +take it +(05/17/2009 02:37:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have been talking to +nightmorph about some guest articles on his gentoo news blog +(05/17/2009 02:37:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: is that done? +(05/17/2009 02:37:56 PM) robbat2: just not live to my knowledge +(05/17/2009 02:38:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, heres what we have so far +http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/trtrustees_GMN.xml +(05/17/2009 02:38:19 PM) fmccor: OK. I'll have to update whatever I sent to +NeddySeagoon last year, although the picture is the same. +(05/17/2009 02:38:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, awesome. I volunteer to +write some :) +(05/17/2009 02:38:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, quantumsummers you need to do +bits too +(05/17/2009 02:39:04 PM) fmccor: Idea was that everyone would contribute. +(05/17/2009 02:39:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm happy to put it together +(05/17/2009 02:39:26 PM) fmccor: What's a realistic target date? +(05/17/2009 02:39:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: great! I'll send you some text +(05/17/2009 02:39:38 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, and a picture. +(05/17/2009 02:39:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, and a photo ? +(05/17/2009 02:39:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sure +(05/17/2009 02:39:49 PM) robbat2: sure +(05/17/2009 02:39:59 PM) ***robbat2 gets the feeling he may be the youngest +trustee +(05/17/2009 02:40:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: by the next meeting ? +(05/17/2009 02:40:22 PM) fmccor: Works for me. +(05/17/2009 02:40:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I can do that +(05/17/2009 02:40:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok - thats the target +(05/17/2009 02:40:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tgall - Secetarty - add mugshot +(05/17/2009 02:40:56 PM) fmccor: That'll be about June 14. +(05/17/2009 02:40:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that is a good one +(05/17/2009 02:41:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep ... nobody wrote back about my +meetings calendar ... +(05/17/2009 02:42:00 PM) fmccor: So we'll have everything to NeddySeagoon by +mid-June. +(05/17/2009 02:42:23 PM) fmccor: Does tsunam need to be reminded or do you have +something from him? +(05/17/2009 02:42:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: he needs to be reminded +(05/17/2009 02:42:53 PM) fmccor: OK, that'll be in the minutes I guess. +(05/17/2009 02:43:15 PM) robbat2: NeddySeagoon, want to bring that calendar up +here quickly, so we can proclaim the dates now? +(05/17/2009 02:43:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, I was going to do it under AoB +(05/17/2009 02:43:41 PM) fmccor: OK. +(05/17/2009 02:43:42 PM) robbat2: ok +(05/17/2009 02:43:54 PM) robbat2: what's next? +(05/17/2009 02:44:18 PM) fmccor: Next is mine --- work with Gentoo e.V. .... +Still awaiting action from Gentoo e.V. +(05/17/2009 02:44:22 PM) fmccor: No report. +(05/17/2009 02:45:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: seems like that is the case for +all the rest of the items in #3 +(05/17/2009 02:45:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: its really in their hands ... +(05/17/2009 02:45:23 PM) fmccor: No --- I have updates. +(05/17/2009 02:45:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: aha +(05/17/2009 02:45:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: n IPR/trademark ? +(05/17/2009 02:46:30 PM) fmccor: Our domestic trademark attorney is changing who +is assigned to us. So I should have more when I find out who that is. +(05/17/2009 02:46:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, heh ... news on the news +(05/17/2009 02:47:17 PM) fmccor: It might be reasonable to move all of the +trademark work to our Boston firm, depending on what the San Diego people do. +(05/17/2009 02:47:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, we can only wait and see +(05/17/2009 02:48:10 PM) fmccor: I infer the San Diego firm is in a bit of a +turmoil, but am not sure. +(05/17/2009 02:49:31 PM) fmccor: Anyway, the item is still pending and I am now +waiting to hear from San Diego. +(05/17/2009 02:49:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: next item ? +(05/17/2009 02:49:43 PM) fmccor: Open bugs. +(05/17/2009 02:50:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: whoohoo :) +(05/17/2009 02:50:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: #217511 +(05/17/2009 02:50:29 PM) robbat2: bug 217511 +(05/17/2009 02:50:31 PM) Willikins: robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/217511 "The +Gentoo Store is Out of Date"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; +neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o +(05/17/2009 02:50:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think that one can be closed +since comprookie is helping out +(05/17/2009 02:50:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, was going to work with +musikc to keep it up to date +(05/17/2009 02:51:07 PM) fmccor: 217511 Gentoo store is out of date. +(05/17/2009 02:51:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we should perhaps consider a +tracker bug for the store to monitor progress +(05/17/2009 02:51:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, did that actually start ? +(05/17/2009 02:51:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I thought so, I +wonder if we should make him staff & a login to the store +(05/17/2009 02:52:04 PM) comprookie2000: We are getting suggestions from the +forum post +(05/17/2009 02:52:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, ping +(05/17/2009 02:52:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hi David +(05/17/2009 02:52:17 PM) comprookie2000: hi +(05/17/2009 02:52:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: can we close the bug ? +(05/17/2009 02:52:31 PM) comprookie2000: yes +(05/17/2009 02:52:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, are you working with +musikc on this +(05/17/2009 02:53:02 PM) comprookie2000: yes, she is very busy, but I do catch +her in irc +(05/17/2009 02:53:05 PM) fmccor: It's closed. +(05/17/2009 02:53:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, appoint a storekeeper you +mean ? +(05/17/2009 02:53:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(05/17/2009 02:53:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: yes +(05/17/2009 02:53:38 PM) comprookie2000: I think she would be OK with that +(05/17/2009 02:53:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm not against that if it would help +(05/17/2009 02:54:17 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, So, you would like to add +comprookie2000 to your staff (or to tsunam's)? +fmccor fmccor|away +(05/17/2009 02:54:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor both of us can work with +him +(05/17/2009 02:54:42 PM) fmccor: It's fine with me if comprookie2000 is +agreeable. +(05/17/2009 02:54:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I would like tsunam to have some +say in it +(05/17/2009 02:54:57 PM) comprookie2000: Fine with me +(05/17/2009 02:55:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: comprookie2000: if you were to +take over the store, would you mind reporting to Josh & I. I think we'll just +need a csv from cafepress more or less +(05/17/2009 02:55:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: with the sales that is +(05/17/2009 02:55:39 PM) comprookie2000: sure +(05/17/2009 02:55:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can coordinate things if +needed +(05/17/2009 02:55:53 PM) fmccor: OK, we'll take this up next meeting. Until +then, I suggest quantumsummers and comprookie2000 and tsunam (when he gets +back) flesh out the position. +(05/17/2009 02:55:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: you want to get into +the store at all, anyone else? +(05/17/2009 02:55:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets work out the details outside the +meeting ... we are agreed in principle +(05/17/2009 02:56:06 PM) robbat2: nope, i don't need in +(05/17/2009 02:56:12 PM) fmccor: Not me. +(05/17/2009 02:56:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: ? +(05/17/2009 02:56:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: want to play with the store? +(05/17/2009 02:56:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'll go with whatever you guys work out +(05/17/2009 02:57:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, sounds good. comprookie2000 +you will receive an email from me & we can talk about it +(05/17/2009 02:57:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: no, I'll stay out of the store. Did the +2006.0 CDs get dropped from the UK page ? +(05/17/2009 02:57:14 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Can you and the others have +something to recommend at the next meeting and have a motion prepared? +fmccor fmccor|away +(05/17/2009 02:57:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor yes +(05/17/2009 02:57:57 PM) comprookie2000: We will need access to the graphics +used on the items +(05/17/2009 02:58:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: np +(05/17/2009 02:58:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I might have some new ones +too :) +(05/17/2009 02:58:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, the 2006.0 AMD64 CD is +still on the UK store +(05/17/2009 02:58:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: subject to approval of course +(05/17/2009 02:58:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: noted +(05/17/2009 02:59:42 PM) fmccor: Bug #234705 --- anyone know the status, or is +this done? +(05/17/2009 02:59:44 PM) Willikins: fmccor: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/234705 "Document of being an active developer"; Gentoo +Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:araujo@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:00:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: leave it as a tracker so we can +keep track of the files +(05/17/2009 03:00:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: it should be closed with a note saying +I'll sign European applications and quantumsummers will sign USA ones on behalf +of the foundation +(05/17/2009 03:00:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sounds fine with me +(05/17/2009 03:01:03 PM) robbat2: I can do candian ones if needed too +(05/17/2009 03:01:13 PM) robbat2: but USA/Canada mail is cheap +(05/17/2009 03:01:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: I only put it on the agenda so it can be +closed +(05/17/2009 03:01:26 PM) fmccor: Thanks. +(05/17/2009 03:02:06 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, please add the note and close +it. :) +(05/17/2009 03:02:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok +(05/17/2009 03:02:31 PM) fmccor: Bug #241650 +(05/17/2009 03:02:34 PM) Willikins: fmccor: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/241650 "truecrypt has a dangerous license."; Gentoo +Linux, Applications; REOP; dberkholz@g.o:crypto@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:03:15 PM) fmccor: This is actually not our bug, but I commented +on it as to how I think the crypro team should handle it. +(05/17/2009 03:03:35 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair has to step afk, back in 3 +mins +(05/17/2009 03:04:32 PM) robbat2: to summarize, crypto team should just use +RESTRICT="mirror fetch bindist" +(05/17/2009 03:05:06 PM) robbat2: along with an ewarn +(05/17/2009 03:05:20 PM) fmccor: I think that's about what I suggested, too, and +it's up to them to do it. +(05/17/2009 03:05:33 PM) fmccor: Feel free to add your thoughts to the bug too. +(05/17/2009 03:05:46 PM) robbat2: i'm a crypto herd member, but i don't touch +truecrypt ;-) +(05/17/2009 03:05:55 PM) robbat2: ok, i'll summarize it into the bug +(05/17/2009 03:05:58 PM) robbat2: and tell the team to go ahead +(05/17/2009 03:06:26 PM) fmccor: Just about no one does, and that's part of the +problem. It's actually a nice program. +(05/17/2009 03:07:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor - closed the dev cert bug +(05/17/2009 03:07:36 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is back, apologies +(05/17/2009 03:07:39 PM) fmccor: Thank you +(05/17/2009 03:07:45 PM) fmccor: Just in time. +(05/17/2009 03:08:26 PM) fmccor: Bug # 245227 +(05/17/2009 03:08:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Bug 245227 +(05/17/2009 03:08:43 PM) Willikins: quantumsummers: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/245227 "Funding request: replacement hard drive for +osprey.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; +robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:08:46 PM) robbat2: ok, I left a comment on the truecrypt bug for +the crypto team, if none of them touch it by the end of the next week, i'll bug +it for them +(05/17/2009 03:08:59 PM) fmccor: robbat2, thank you. +(05/17/2009 03:09:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thanks robbat2 +(05/17/2009 03:09:04 PM) Arfrever: I'm from crypto project and I can add this +RESTRICT :) +(05/17/2009 03:09:04 PM) robbat2: #245227 budget limit for infra repairs +(05/17/2009 03:09:10 PM) robbat2: Arfrever, go for it +(05/17/2009 03:09:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hey Arfrever, thanks :) +(05/17/2009 03:09:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: Arfrever, well done +(05/17/2009 03:10:02 PM) robbat2: for #245227, tsunam (i think) had suggested +that we authorize infrastructure to a base level of funding for purchases +relating to hardware repair +(05/17/2009 03:10:04 PM) fmccor: This bug is closed --- can we remove it from +the agenda? +(05/17/2009 03:10:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes +(05/17/2009 03:10:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(05/17/2009 03:10:24 PM) robbat2: it wasn't the bug directly, just that tsunam +wanted to streamline the process +(05/17/2009 03:10:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, all the closed bugs can be +removed +(05/17/2009 03:10:49 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, you control the agenda. :) +(05/17/2009 03:11:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: yes. what do you think +is an appropriate amount? I would guess that <$1000 USD should do it +(05/17/2009 03:11:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, yeah, we want infra to just fix +stuff up to a 'reasonable value' but we need a number +(05/17/2009 03:11:44 PM) robbat2: $1000/year is fine by me. +(05/17/2009 03:12:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we should not encourage +needless spending though ... I meant up to $1K per month available without a +vote +(05/17/2009 03:12:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: I move that we set a repairs budget for +infra of $1000/year +(05/17/2009 03:12:21 PM) fmccor: Second +(05/17/2009 03:12:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: second +(05/17/2009 03:12:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: Vote ? +(05/17/2009 03:12:34 PM) robbat2: yes +(05/17/2009 03:12:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(05/17/2009 03:12:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes +(05/17/2009 03:12:38 PM) fmccor: Yes +(05/17/2009 03:12:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried +(05/17/2009 03:13:18 PM) fmccor: Bug #253491 --- more on the store, this bug is +also marked closed. +(05/17/2009 03:13:20 PM) Willikins: fmccor: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/253491 "Gentoo Store - Add Case stickers, badges."; +Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; RESO, FIXE; david@linuxcrazy.com:trustees@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:13:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: I suggest it runs the same as our FY ... +1 July to 31 June +(05/17/2009 03:13:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: noted +(05/17/2009 03:14:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, did that stuff on 253491 +get added or was a decision made not to ? +(05/17/2009 03:15:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can't see the USA cafepress store from +the UK +(05/17/2009 03:15:26 PM) comprookie2000: The stickers for case badges that could +be created at cafepress will not do +(05/17/2009 03:15:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, we should close that bug +wontfix +(05/17/2009 03:15:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: point people to techiant for +badges +(05/17/2009 03:16:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if approved +(05/17/2009 03:16:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, Can you talk to +Techiant ... hes on the agenda later +(05/17/2009 03:16:12 PM) Techiant: I am available if anyone has any questions +(05/17/2009 03:16:22 PM) comprookie2000: great +(05/17/2009 03:16:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ok +(05/17/2009 03:17:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: comprookie2000, Techiant, we'll +need to discuss further over email +(05/17/2009 03:17:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: though we will talk about the +issue in a few mins +(05/17/2009 03:18:17 PM) mode (+v Dr_Who ) by ChanServ +(05/17/2009 03:18:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: next item ? +(05/17/2009 03:19:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bug 254249 +(05/17/2009 03:19:12 PM) Willikins: https://bugs.gentoo.org/254249 "Tracking a +conversation & doc regarding website redesign"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; +quantumsummers@g.o:pr@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:19:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ready for this? +(05/17/2009 03:19:35 PM) fmccor: Go +(05/17/2009 03:19:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: as part of the KMS sys I have +created a design that could be used for the main site +(05/17/2009 03:20:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its slighty based on the +previous design +(05/17/2009 03:20:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I would like to leave that bug +open for now, & I will post a screenshot next week or so +(05/17/2009 03:20:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(05/17/2009 03:21:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: no one has posted there in some +time, hopefully this will spark some comments +(05/17/2009 03:21:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & I hope it doesn't suck ;) ) +(05/17/2009 03:21:24 PM) fmccor: OK. +(05/17/2009 03:21:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: anyway, coming along +(05/17/2009 03:21:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that's it for now +(05/17/2009 03:21:59 PM) fmccor: Bug #254588 +(05/17/2009 03:22:01 PM) Willikins: https://bugs.gentoo.org/254588 "Possible +confusion over use of the Gentoo Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo"; +Documentation, Other documents; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:22:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: can be closed +(05/17/2009 03:22:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: using the linux penguin now +(05/17/2009 03:22:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(05/17/2009 03:22:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I am not sure I have seen it on +the site though +(05/17/2009 03:22:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: anyone? +(05/17/2009 03:23:18 PM) robbat2: quantumsummers, the existing one is in the +news +(05/17/2009 03:23:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hmm, old one is still on the +main page +(05/17/2009 03:23:37 PM) fmccor: Haven't noticed. I just closed the bug --- do +you want it repoened? +(05/17/2009 03:23:41 PM) robbat2: anybody got a link to the apple one that we +might infringe on? +(05/17/2009 03:23:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: +http://www.gentoo.org/images/icon-penguin.png +(05/17/2009 03:24:01 PM) robbat2: i mean to the apple one +(05/17/2009 03:24:02 PM) robbat2: not ours +(05/17/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: unless we're just using it directly from them? +(05/17/2009 03:24:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ah, there was a link somewhere. +I'll try to find it +(05/17/2009 03:25:09 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, please repoen the bug if "can +be closed" was premature. :) +(05/17/2009 03:25:36 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Or I can if you like. +(05/17/2009 03:25:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok. not sure why that wasn't +put on the web +(05/17/2009 03:26:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: keep the bug until the web site is fixed +(05/17/2009 03:27:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: next ? +(05/17/2009 03:27:09 PM) robbat2: we're slowing down here, and there's still +lots of items to finish +(05/17/2009 03:27:18 PM) robbat2: bug 255274 +(05/17/2009 03:27:21 PM) Willikins: robbat2: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/255274 "Funding request: SATA HDD for SuperH +development board"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; +armin76@g.o:trustees@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:27:27 PM) robbat2: tsunam just needs to give armin76 the money +(05/17/2009 03:27:46 PM) robbat2: was approved already, just previously held up +by paypal +(05/17/2009 03:27:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, I think thats done ... I saw the +paypal email, so it can be closed +(05/17/2009 03:28:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(05/17/2009 03:28:24 PM) robbat2: ok, spotted it in my mail too, closing +(05/17/2009 03:28:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bug 256441 +(05/17/2009 03:28:30 PM) Willikins: quantumsummers: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/256441 "gentoo-foundation-announce@lists.gentoo.org +mailing list for official Foundation correspondence."; Gentoo Infrastructure, +Mailing Lists; RESO, FIXE; fmccor@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:29:04 PM) robbat2: "Did we update the senders/moderators" +(05/17/2009 03:29:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think this is mostly in shape +too, though I am uncertain about the moderators +(05/17/2009 03:29:07 PM) robbat2: says the agenda +(05/17/2009 03:29:20 PM) robbat2: one sec, i'll report on them +(05/17/2009 03:29:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the senders are the board +(05/17/2009 03:29:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: I cheated. Did we update the +senders/moderators after the trustee election ? +(05/17/2009 03:29:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the mods should be the same as +the board +(05/17/2009 03:30:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: maybe want to include tanderson +since he is gonna help out right :D +(05/17/2009 03:30:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, yeah = +senders=moderators=board +(05/17/2009 03:30:28 PM) robbat2: ok, it's updated now +(05/17/2009 03:30:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thanks robbat2 +(05/17/2009 03:30:37 PM) robbat2: all 5 trustees are senders+moderators +(05/17/2009 03:30:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, thanks +(05/17/2009 03:30:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bug 261785 +(05/17/2009 03:30:53 PM) Willikins: https://bugs.gentoo.org/261785 "transfer +gentoo.be from Sejo to the Gentoo Foundation, Inc."; Gentoo Infrastructure, +Other; ASSI; quantumsummers@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:30:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: close the bug +(05/17/2009 03:30:57 PM) robbat2: changes: dmwaters removed from both, and +quantumsummers added to moderators +(05/17/2009 03:31:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, thanks +(05/17/2009 03:31:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: perfect +(05/17/2009 03:31:12 PM) tanderson: quantumsummers: can't I just send to it and +have it approved? I don't need power for what I do I don't think +(05/17/2009 03:31:34 PM) robbat2: i'll update the domain bug, it was mine +(05/17/2009 03:31:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: I think "transfer gentoo.be from Sejo to +the Gentoo Foundation, Inc." happened +(05/17/2009 03:31:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes it did +(05/17/2009 03:31:51 PM) robbat2: i processed it, it's done, was on my credit +card +(05/17/2009 03:31:53 PM) fmccor: tanderson, not unless you are on the sender +list. This came up during the election. +(05/17/2009 03:32:05 PM) robbat2: is fully integrated to our ultraDNS system +(05/17/2009 03:32:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: have you been +reimbursed for the expense? +(05/17/2009 03:32:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, did you get reimbursed ? +(05/17/2009 03:32:42 PM) robbat2: i didn't bother to submit it before, i will if +you want me to +(05/17/2009 03:32:55 PM) tanderson: fmccor: ok +(05/17/2009 03:33:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: up to you, prob a good idea. +you have the receipt I imagine +(05/17/2009 03:33:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, your call - Its a Foundation +expense but donations are always welcome +(05/17/2009 03:33:24 PM) fmccor: tanderson, Me, I don't care. Fight with the +others. :) +(05/17/2009 03:33:47 PM) tanderson: fmccor: I don't care either, quantumsummers +can argue +(05/17/2009 03:34:12 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair removed occam's razor from +handy belt pouch +(05/17/2009 03:34:25 PM) fmccor: tanderson, what the election officials was send +mail to trustees@ who would send it on and approve their own mail. +(05/17/2009 03:34:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tanderson: you can just send it +to the trustees alias +(05/17/2009 03:34:46 PM) tanderson: Then I can live with that as well +(05/17/2009 03:34:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 262356 +(05/17/2009 03:34:49 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/262356 "Gentoo not allowed to receive money via Paypal +anymore"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; VERI, FIXE; neysx@g.o:trustees@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:34:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: close this bug +(05/17/2009 03:34:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: done +(05/17/2009 03:35:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thats fixed - so the bug can get closed +(05/17/2009 03:35:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fiX0rd +(05/17/2009 03:35:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 264682 +(05/17/2009 03:35:17 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon: +https://bugs.gentoo.org/264682 "www.linuxcenter.kz wish to be our vendors in +Kazakhstan"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o +(05/17/2009 03:35:23 PM) fmccor: That's mine. +(05/17/2009 03:35:43 PM) fmccor: I'll comment on the bug in a bit, but here's +the status as to date. +(05/17/2009 03:36:09 PM) fmccor: Lawyers gave a conditional OK, depending on +whether the web site looked real or not. +(05/17/2009 03:36:36 PM) fmccor: klieber's wife knows Russian and so far as she +can tell, they're legitimate. +(05/17/2009 03:37:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: what about protecting our mark in +Kazakhstan? +(05/17/2009 03:37:46 PM) fmccor: They did not comment on that. I told them the +site looked real but have not heard back. +(05/17/2009 03:38:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok, held over until we know how +our trademark will be protected +(05/17/2009 03:38:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: 5. New Licence Applications +(05/17/2009 03:38:57 PM) fmccor: I'll nudge the lawyer involved a bit. I can't +push too hard since we are not actually paying them. +(05/17/2009 03:38:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: Licencing For Techiant LLC +(05/17/2009 03:39:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok +(05/17/2009 03:39:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: I vote we go with the offer from +Techiant LLC as per the email +(05/17/2009 03:40:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: can we get a printed ++ signed copy of your proposal for our records? +(05/17/2009 03:40:23 PM) Techiant: Sure, if you could email me the address. +(05/17/2009 03:40:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I second NeddySeagoon'S motion +(05/17/2009 03:40:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, why not a digitally +signed email ? +fmccor fmccor|away +(05/17/2009 03:40:54 PM) Techiant: can do +(05/17/2009 03:41:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor is that sufficient, a +dig signed mail? +(05/17/2009 03:41:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, robbat2 ? ^^ +(05/17/2009 03:41:26 PM) Techiant: how about scanned pdf? +(05/17/2009 03:41:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its fine with me +(05/17/2009 03:41:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, people lose stuff on +paper +(05/17/2009 03:41:42 PM) robbat2: scan the pdf and gpg sign it :-) +(05/17/2009 03:41:49 PM) robbat2: err, scan to pdf +(05/17/2009 03:41:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: heh +(05/17/2009 03:41:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I would digitize +it, of course +(05/17/2009 03:42:02 PM) Techiant: :) +(05/17/2009 03:42:04 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, it's fine with me. +(05/17/2009 03:42:08 PM) Techiant: I'll give you a good copy +(05/17/2009 03:42:16 PM) robbat2: signing it both ways covers us in all cases +(05/17/2009 03:42:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: we have two votes in favour ... +(05/17/2009 03:42:29 PM) fmccor: yes +(05/17/2009 03:42:31 PM) robbat2: aye from me +(05/17/2009 03:42:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(05/17/2009 03:42:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried +(05/17/2009 03:42:40 PM) Techiant: Thanks you +(05/17/2009 03:43:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: thank you, will you +send us an email when you are ready to sell them? +(05/17/2009 03:43:06 PM) comprookie2000: Techiant, Aluminum and domed? +(05/17/2009 03:43:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, you are in business with your +badges. Other items need other approvals. Good luck +(05/17/2009 03:43:21 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair wants a few :) +(05/17/2009 03:43:39 PM) Techiant: Domed, flat vinyl (notebook style0, mirror +gold/silver brushed gold/silver. No aluminum +(05/17/2009 03:43:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: still looking for a vendor to +make the belt buckles though +(05/17/2009 03:43:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: Use Logo in the Gentoo Package Manager +Specification +(05/17/2009 03:44:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: so you have a +link to something describing what that is all about? +(05/17/2009 03:44:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: this is a document, correct? +(05/17/2009 03:44:50 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(05/17/2009 03:44:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, its in your trustees@ +email. USe of the G logo in a create commons document +(05/17/2009 03:45:04 PM) Techiant: are we good with flat notebook stickers, or +what would be a procedure for approving new designs/products? +(05/17/2009 03:45:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, were they in your email ? +(05/17/2009 03:45:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: and your link +(05/17/2009 03:46:34 PM) Techiant: There were a few objections in the previous +chat re; other products, I think +(05/17/2009 03:47:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: the laptop sticker is +like the vista sticker on new PCs right, 1 inch x 3/4/ inch or so? +(05/17/2009 03:47:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, If they were in your link in +your original email, they are covered. You may not add new products without a +new application +(05/17/2009 03:47:55 PM) Techiant: I proposed other products we can make in +email as "can be pre-approved with Gentoo Foundation" but not sure what the +procedure will be +(05/17/2009 03:48:08 PM) Techiant: quantumsummers: yes +(05/17/2009 03:49:06 PM) Techiant: NeddySeagoon: I see, badges onlythis time. I +will submit new application when we finalized which products we are going to do +(05/17/2009 03:50:01 PM) robbat2: err, i'd take the vista-sticker-like to be +case badges as well, just flat ones +(05/17/2009 03:50:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: same here +(05/17/2009 03:50:12 PM) comprookie2000: laptop sleeves have been asked for +(05/17/2009 03:50:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, me too +(05/17/2009 03:50:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: comprookie2000: I like that +idea +(05/17/2009 03:51:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: so you are good with +the case badges, both the domed & flat ones +(05/17/2009 03:51:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: We need to see designs ... blanket +approval for anything is too close to public domain for my liking +(05/17/2009 03:51:18 PM) Techiant: so can we agree that case badges include: +domed or undomed, PC or laptop logo stickers? +(05/17/2009 03:51:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, I'm happy with that +(05/17/2009 03:52:09 PM) Techiant: great. I will submit other stuff (usb jump +drive, laptop skins next time +(05/17/2009 03:52:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: if you are unsure at +any point just send us an email & we will respond promptly +(05/17/2009 03:52:23 PM) Techiant: will do. thanks guys +(05/17/2009 03:52:51 PM) Techiant: and I will await for emal re: gentoo store +linking. Will also email signed PDF +(05/17/2009 03:53:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, the link on gentoo.org is +something we need to discuss for all licenced vendors +(05/17/2009 03:54:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: The email about our logo in the PMS was +message ID <20090416074036.25ed88dc@terra.solaris> +(05/17/2009 03:54:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: on 2009.04.16 06:40 +(05/17/2009 03:55:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I found it, thanks +(05/17/2009 03:55:19 PM) robbat2: Gentoo logo on PMS CC doc - aye from me with +the trademark text as proposed in the mail +(05/17/2009 03:55:33 PM) fmccor: Fine with me. +(05/17/2009 03:55:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: me too, yes +(05/17/2009 03:56:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm ok with it as long as derived works +must have the logo removed +(05/17/2009 03:58:10 PM) fmccor: Right. Motion? +(05/17/2009 03:58:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: motion to allow logo in PMS +(05/17/2009 03:58:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: with the following wording +(05/17/2009 03:58:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: seconeded +(05/17/2009 03:58:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: wait a sec.. +(05/17/2009 03:58:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: :) +(05/17/2009 03:59:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: "Gentoo and the Gentoo logo are +a trademark of the Gentoo Foundation (/link/) and are used in this document +with permission. All derived works must remove the logo or request permission +from Gentoo Foundation, Inc." +(05/17/2009 04:00:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: something like that sound ok? +(05/17/2009 04:00:27 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(05/17/2009 04:00:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: well that's the motion then :) +(05/17/2009 04:00:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: Can we say that in a CC document ? +(05/17/2009 04:01:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the text content is CC, not the +logo +(05/17/2009 04:01:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok +(05/17/2009 04:01:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: Seconded +(05/17/2009 04:01:26 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(05/17/2009 04:01:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes +(05/17/2009 04:01:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, robbat2 ? +(05/17/2009 04:01:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes +(05/17/2009 04:01:54 PM) robbat2: aye +(05/17/2009 04:01:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried +(05/17/2009 04:02:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: 6. The Year Ahead ... lets hold that +over to next meeing +(05/17/2009 04:02:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok +(05/17/2009 04:02:36 PM) fmccor: Please. +(05/17/2009 04:02:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: 7 Meeting Calander +(05/17/2009 04:02:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(05/17/2009 04:03:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: I proposed the first Sunday after the +first council meeting of the month, so DoNM is 14 June. Is everyone OK with +the other dates ? +(05/17/2009 04:04:04 PM) fmccor: Should be. That's too far ahead to know. :) +(05/17/2009 04:04:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: The first council meeting being on the +second Thursday +(05/17/2009 04:04:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: 12 july, 16 aug, 13 sept +(05/17/2009 04:04:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: I propose the dates are adopted - we can +change them as needed +(05/17/2009 04:04:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: second +(05/17/2009 04:04:58 PM) fmccor: 16 Aug --- my birthday. :) +(05/17/2009 04:05:04 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(05/17/2009 04:05:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: heeeeeyyyy +(05/17/2009 04:05:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, so we're set on the +meetings then +(05/17/2009 04:05:47 PM) robbat2: aye +(05/17/2009 04:06:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep. I gave dates up to April 11, when +we should have three newly elected trustees. +(05/17/2009 04:06:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :) +(05/17/2009 04:07:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, you want to move that a week ? +(05/17/2009 04:07:27 PM) fmccor: No. +(05/17/2009 04:07:48 PM) fmccor: I think we met on your birthday? +(05/17/2009 04:07:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks. I move that the meeting calendar +as posted is adopted +(05/17/2009 04:08:04 PM) fmccor: second +(05/17/2009 04:08:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yep, we did +(05/17/2009 04:08:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'm good with the meeting sched +(05/17/2009 04:08:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, robbat2 ? +(05/17/2009 04:08:23 PM) fmccor: And vote yes. +(05/17/2009 04:08:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes +(05/17/2009 04:08:29 PM) robbat2: I voted yes already +(05/17/2009 04:08:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok, carried +(05/17/2009 04:08:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: no new membership applications +this month +(05/17/2009 04:08:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: correct +(05/17/2009 04:09:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: Date of Next Meeting - 14th June 2009 - +we have just agreed +(05/17/2009 04:09:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :( +(05/17/2009 04:09:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: 10 Any other business +(05/17/2009 04:09:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, ? +(05/17/2009 04:10:01 PM) robbat2: nil from me at this point, i can't do it with +tsunam +(05/17/2009 04:10:13 PM) fmccor: ? +(05/17/2009 04:10:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ? +(05/17/2009 04:10:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'm good, thanks +(05/17/2009 04:10:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ? +(05/17/2009 04:10:32 PM) fmccor: Very brief. +(05/17/2009 04:10:43 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair will not ask what robbat2 +can't do with tsunam :D +(05/17/2009 04:11:15 PM) fmccor: As per my email, I intend to send out bylaws as +pdf to our agent (to satisfy a legal requirement) unless someone else has +already done so. +(05/17/2009 04:11:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: go for it sir +(05/17/2009 04:11:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, thats fine by me +fmccor fmccor|away +(05/17/2009 04:11:56 PM) robbat2: +1 from me +(05/17/2009 04:11:56 PM) fmccor: We should probably send him an updated trustee +list as wel, in case he needs it for something. +(05/17/2009 04:12:07 PM) fmccor: ^well^ +(05/17/2009 04:12:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor does this satisfy the +state of NM re our nfp status for 2--9? +(05/17/2009 04:12:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, its on one of the incorporation +forms ... do we have to change that ? +(05/17/2009 04:12:47 PM) fmccor: No. +(05/17/2009 04:13:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: good, because that would cost +(05/17/2009 04:13:27 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, There is a requirement that our +agent have our bylaws on hand in case anyone walks in and wants to see them. +(05/17/2009 04:13:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: I only have one item. tsunam sent his +apologies ... did that get noted before I joined ? +(05/17/2009 04:13:52 PM) fmccor: Yes. +(05/17/2009 04:14:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm done +(05/17/2009 04:14:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: Open Floor +(05/17/2009 04:15:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: anyone have business? +(05/17/2009 04:15:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: Meeting Closed
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2010/20100117_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100117_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..4ac584e --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100117_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,301 @@ +Jan 17 14:00:56 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... lets start +Jan 17 14:01:14 <NeddySeagoon> Meeting is being logged, and robbat2 is posting. I'm logging too +Jan 17 14:01:38 <NeddySeagoon> 3. Old Business ... we will come back to tsunam stuff +Jan 17 14:01:59 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers ... SFLC Update +Jan 17 14:02:39 <quantumsummers> 1. I am working on a tentative budget for the Foundation based on a $20,000 USD annual income +Jan 17 14:03:18 <quantumsummers> 2. I am collecting letters of support from the community, so far I have 1 from D'Youville College, I should see one from MIT this week or next +Jan 17 14:03:22 <NeddySeagoon> ok, lets see if we can't boost that in years to come - we have never done any active fundraising +Jan 17 14:03:53 <quantumsummers> indeed, I think we will have good luck there +Jan 17 14:04:19 <quantumsummers> lets see ... +Jan 17 14:04:41 <quantumsummers> I need to notify the community (dev & user) to get more letters of support +Jan 17 14:04:56 * quantumsummers will add that to the list, if its ok with the board +Jan 17 14:04:58 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jan 17 14:05:08 <quantumsummers> at this point I have been soliciting personally +Jan 17 14:05:41 <quantumsummers> 3. Once the budget is complete, and I have a few more letters I think we are good to go +Jan 17 14:05:51 <quantumsummers> as in submit the application +Jan 17 14:06:02 <quantumsummers> I'll be talking with Karen next week +Jan 17 14:06:07 <robbat2> must the letters be from orgs/users within the US? +Jan 17 14:06:11 <quantumsummers> no +Jan 17 14:06:25 <quantumsummers> we want US entities, but others are most wecome +Jan 17 14:06:30 <quantumsummers> *welcome +Jan 17 14:06:35 <NeddySeagoon> I'm happy with an email to -nfp and -dev-announce but at them moment, not -foundation-announce +Jan 17 14:06:47 <robbat2> and by entities, companies or edu/nfp? +Jan 17 14:06:51 <quantumsummers> it will favor us to demonstrate the international nature of the work +Jan 17 14:07:01 <quantumsummers> robbat2: any org +Jan 17 14:07:15 <quantumsummers> companies, Unis, ngo,nfp +Jan 17 14:07:16 <robbat2> ok, I can write some of the infra sponsors and some other former contacts +Jan 17 14:07:25 <quantumsummers> robbat2: that would be wonderful +Jan 17 14:07:38 <quantumsummers> please CC me if you don't mind +Jan 17 14:07:50 <quantumsummers> or CC trustees +Jan 17 14:08:03 <robbat2> sure +Jan 17 14:08:04 <quantumsummers> that is all on sflc & 501c3 +Jan 17 14:08:31 <NeddySeagoon> next item Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) ... still quantumsummers +Jan 17 14:08:36 <quantumsummers> I think it would be good to have the draft to the board by the beginning of Feb for review +Jan 17 14:08:46 <quantumsummers> for comments that is +Jan 17 14:08:54 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats only two weeks +Jan 17 14:09:17 <quantumsummers> yes, its just the normal stuff, the budget, narrative +Jan 17 14:09:31 <quantumsummers> the letters, we can take some time on +Jan 17 14:09:33 <NeddySeagoon> ok - if you are happy with that target +Jan 17 14:09:46 <quantumsummers> I would really like to see the app submitted before March 31 +Jan 17 14:10:20 <NeddySeagoon> yeah - there could be a board shuffle in early April +Jan 17 14:10:32 <quantumsummers> ok, CPA: for some reason I have not received anything from either my local CPA or the CPA sflc recommended. I will follow up on Monday. My request may have been lost in the tax-prep shuffle +Jan 17 14:10:44 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jan 17 14:10:48 <quantumsummers> sorry, I have so little there +Jan 17 14:11:08 * bonsaikitten has quit (Excess Flood) +Jan 17 14:11:10 <NeddySeagoon> Robert Buchholz - Gentoo Developer Certificate +Jan 17 14:11:18 <quantumsummers> Printed & ready to send +Jan 17 14:11:33 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, he was only wanting a PDF file +Jan 17 14:11:34 <quantumsummers> I can do that early this week (send it) +Jan 17 14:11:40 <quantumsummers> oh, really +Jan 17 14:11:51 <quantumsummers> heh, ok, I will email it to him then. +Jan 17 14:12:28 <NeddySeagoon> send the cert snail mail too, it will be nice to look back on in years to come +Jan 17 14:12:49 <quantumsummers> sure, since I have it already. I think I'll need his addy. I can ask for that when I email the cert +Jan 17 14:13:02 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jan 17 14:13:07 <quantumsummers> ok. +Jan 17 14:13:09 <NeddySeagoon> next item Notify New Foundation Members - quantumsummers +Jan 17 14:13:32 <quantumsummers> Added to my list. Given that we have a new applicant this meeting, I will do it all in one go later today +Jan 17 14:13:34 * NeddySeagoon likes dabbotts new agend layout +Jan 17 14:13:42 * quantumsummers does to +Jan 17 14:13:43 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jan 17 14:14:01 <quantumsummers> its not in the agenda +Jan 17 14:14:13 <quantumsummers> but the KM is up, so let me know if you have questions +Jan 17 14:14:14 <NeddySeagoon> Next item - Rotating Sidebar - robbat2 +Jan 17 14:14:39 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, heh - I broke it by living in Scotland +Jan 17 14:14:47 <quantumsummers> no breakage, that is my fault +Jan 17 14:14:48 <robbat2> no news on it yet, i've been setting up some new infra boxes where it will live, just got access to them this past friday +Jan 17 14:14:58 <robbat2> motmot & magpie.g.o, hosted at VR.org +Jan 17 14:15:02 <quantumsummers> robbat2: have you audited the code? +Jan 17 14:15:06 <robbat2> partially +Jan 17 14:15:12 <quantumsummers> any thoughts? +Jan 17 14:15:22 <robbat2> looks like it should work great +Jan 17 14:15:30 <quantumsummers> also, if you want some pointers on deployment, I can assist +Jan 17 14:15:35 <robbat2> and I want 48 hour days +Jan 17 14:15:35 <NeddySeagoon> We have the go ahead from our members +Jan 17 14:15:39 <quantumsummers> we have an ebuild tempalte for stuff like that +Jan 17 14:16:16 * quantumsummers feels robbat2's pain on that +Jan 17 14:16:35 <quantumsummers> 20 hour days for the past couple of weeks fo rme +Jan 17 14:16:37 <NeddySeagoon> any more on the sidebar ? +Jan 17 14:16:38 <dabbott> we need at least 2 robbat2 +Jan 17 14:16:43 <quantumsummers> lol +Jan 17 14:16:54 * tcunha has quit ("Lost terminal") +Jan 17 14:17:03 <quantumsummers> yeah, where is robbat1? +Jan 17 14:17:04 <robbat2> nothing else on the sidebar at this time. i'm hoping to launch it by feb 3rd +Jan 17 14:17:10 <quantumsummers> nice +Jan 17 14:17:14 <robbat2> but i'm going to FOSDEM, so it might hold off till I return +Jan 17 14:17:21 <armin76> we could have 2 robbat1 *g* +Jan 17 14:17:27 * tcunha (n=tiago@gentoo/developer/tcunha) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Jan 17 14:17:42 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I wish I was going to FOSDEM ... next year maybe +Jan 17 14:17:52 * quantumsummers might try for next year too +Jan 17 14:18:00 <quantumsummers> sounds like a ton of fun +Jan 17 14:18:23 <NeddySeagoon> next item Emails Received & Status - dabbott +Jan 17 14:18:45 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I have the email you are missing +Jan 17 14:18:52 <dabbott> I just have been attempting to keep track of emails received +Jan 17 14:19:08 <quantumsummers> http://dpaste.com/146541/ +Jan 17 14:19:13 <dabbott> and the status +Jan 17 14:19:20 <quantumsummers> dabbott: if you want, we can put that in the KM +Jan 17 14:19:30 <dabbott> that would be great +Jan 17 14:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we need all the old emails there too. +Jan 17 14:20:04 <dabbott> most of the emails are for advertising requests +Jan 17 14:20:12 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I will see about that soon. +Jan 17 14:20:17 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok +Jan 17 14:20:44 * Arfrever has quit ("Exre (KVIrc 4)") +Jan 17 14:20:53 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, any more on emails ? +Jan 17 14:21:03 <dabbott> no thats it +Jan 17 14:21:19 <NeddySeagoon> next item CD/DVD Policy & Guidelines - dabbott +Jan 17 14:21:52 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thats a good page you put up. It needs to link to the guidelines page +Jan 17 14:22:21 <dabbott> looking for comments suggestions that is just on my dev space for now +Jan 17 14:22:56 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm going blind - the link to the guidelines is there +Jan 17 14:23:03 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I might change the Definition of Gentoo Project to say: is supported by the Gentoo Foundation ( as opposed to directed) +Jan 17 14:23:21 <dabbott> once approved I can move it +Jan 17 14:23:24 <quantumsummers> that could be a bit touchy +Jan 17 14:23:38 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, heh +Jan 17 14:24:02 <quantumsummers> just saying +Jan 17 14:24:10 <quantumsummers> :) +Jan 17 14:24:11 <NeddySeagoon> any more changes? +Jan 17 14:24:34 <quantumsummers> we can't say we're not-for-profit yet +Jan 17 14:24:45 <quantumsummers> well maybe we can +Jan 17 14:24:50 <quantumsummers> I'll ask Karen +Jan 17 14:25:01 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we have been saying it for years ... why stop now ? +Jan 17 14:25:09 <quantumsummers> good point +Jan 17 14:25:30 <dabbott> I just copied it from some other document :) +Jan 17 14:25:43 <quantumsummers> ok, looks generally good to me +Jan 17 14:25:50 * NeddySeagoon proposes that the page be commited to foundation space with the one change above +Jan 17 14:25:52 <dabbott> quantumsummers, ask Karen +Jan 17 14:26:08 * quantumsummers seconds the proposal from NeddySeagoon +Jan 17 14:26:09 <robbat2> +1 +Jan 17 14:26:14 <dabbott> +1 +Jan 17 14:26:17 <NeddySeagoon> +1 +Jan 17 14:26:18 <quantumsummers> +1 +Jan 17 14:26:21 <quantumsummers> & done +Jan 17 14:26:26 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Jan 17 14:26:58 <NeddySeagoon> next Donation and Vendor Advertising Policy and Guidelines - NeddySeagoon +Jan 17 14:27:01 <quantumsummers> ok so its s/directed/supported +Jan 17 14:27:10 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes +Jan 17 14:27:20 <quantumsummers> please continue sir +Jan 17 14:27:42 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I was afraid you would say that +Jan 17 14:28:19 <quantumsummers> this policy could be a tad large for one person +Jan 17 14:28:44 <quantumsummers> I can ask Karen to assist, might be good to have a lawyer looking over things like this +Jan 17 14:28:48 <NeddySeagoon> I've been slacking, so I've done nothing :( Now we have the vote re large users from our members I really need to do something +Jan 17 14:29:27 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, a policy should be a small document. The detail for implementing it might be large +Jan 17 14:30:09 <quantumsummers> <0.02> we need to be really careful here. I have been following some discussion on this on a mail list that some of the large foss folks are on. I am concerned people feel that we are selling advertising +Jan 17 14:30:17 <NeddySeagoon> I will email some ideas to trustees@ by the end of January +Jan 17 14:30:36 <quantumsummers> ok, sounds good +Jan 17 14:30:58 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: didi you see the research I had done on other models? +Jan 17 14:31:01 <NeddySeagoon> Who is <0.02> ? +Jan 17 14:31:03 <robbat2> quantumsummers, re that, for each of the infra sponsors, i've tried to have some text as to what they do with Gentoo on the sponsors page +Jan 17 14:31:08 <quantumsummers> 2 cents tag +Jan 17 14:31:08 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes +Jan 17 14:31:36 <quantumsummers> robbat2: yes, we need things like that so as not to appear that we are "selling out" +Jan 17 14:31:59 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes - agreed - I don't want it to be perceived as selling advertising +Jan 17 14:32:21 <quantumsummers> I was surprised by some responses. It seems a sematic difference not one of substance +Jan 17 14:32:35 <quantumsummers> anyhow, its all on phrasing +Jan 17 14:32:42 <quantumsummers> *in phrasing +Jan 17 14:32:58 <quantumsummers> we need more PR peeps +Jan 17 14:33:15 <NeddySeagoon> Not to get bogged down - I would like large users to put something on our site as to how large and in what capacity they use gentoo +Jan 17 14:33:37 <quantumsummers> put that in your policy notes +Jan 17 14:33:47 <NeddySeagoon> before they get sidebar space +Jan 17 14:33:52 <dabbott> exactly +Jan 17 14:33:54 <quantumsummers> we can discuss things on the KM so we have it for posterity +Jan 17 14:34:03 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yep +Jan 17 14:34:28 <NeddySeagoon> Moving on Special Member Voting - Ads On The Sidebar +Jan 17 14:35:02 <quantumsummers> are we still waiting on jmbsvicetto for the official results? +Jan 17 14:35:07 <dabbott> seemed like an election in Florida +Jan 17 14:36:07 <NeddySeagoon> The official result was 46 votes in favour vs 6 votes against +Jan 17 14:36:13 <quantumsummers> ok, good +Jan 17 14:37:12 <NeddySeagoon> from Gentoo Foundation Referendum 2009-01 - Results 2010.01.12 02:17 by jmbsvicetto AT gentoo.org> +Jan 17 14:37:31 <quantumsummers> Once we have the policy in place, we can draft a news item & get the ball rolling, eh? +Jan 17 14:37:38 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jan 17 14:37:56 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 4 Open Bugs +Jan 17 14:38:33 <NeddySeagoon> #284224 +Jan 17 14:38:49 <jmbsvicetto> quantumsummers / NeddySeagoon: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_df4b02f3c8b25dd3e4e5aa19a45633be.xml - if you want a link to the official mail +Jan 17 14:38:58 <robbat2> Willikins, bug 284224 +Jan 17 14:39:02 <Willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284224 "Summer of Code changes in reimbursement"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:trustees@g.o +Jan 17 14:39:04 <NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, thanks +Jan 17 14:39:09 <quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: we got it, my bad on poking you. Thanks!!! +Jan 17 14:39:20 <NeddySeagoon> thanks robbat2 +Jan 17 14:39:56 <quantumsummers> it appears we are waiting for Google at this time on that bug. Carry it over to next meeting +Jan 17 14:40:55 <NeddySeagoon> Willikins, bug 288626 +Jan 17 14:40:57 <Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/288626 "[Gentoo 10 Live DVD] Vendor List"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o +Jan 17 14:41:42 <dabbott> If we need DVD's Jason from stormfront said he would do them 10% over cost +Jan 17 14:41:47 <NeddySeagoon> I'm not keen on a printed handbook - it will be out of date as soon as its printed +Jan 17 14:41:53 <quantumsummers> I agree +Jan 17 14:42:27 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sounds good. +Jan 17 14:43:19 <NeddySeagoon> We should make a point of doing DVD giveaways for any gatherings where we have a stand - and T-shirts for people manning the stand. +Jan 17 14:43:30 <quantumsummers> I like the sound of that +Jan 17 14:43:59 <dabbott> likewhoa should be getting 10.2 done soon ready for testing +Jan 17 14:44:06 <NeddySeagoon> Like its auto approved ... without going through the normal application process +Jan 17 14:44:07 <quantumsummers> Nice! +Jan 17 14:44:29 <quantumsummers> the only thing with the tshirts is cost. +Jan 17 14:44:41 <NeddySeagoon> There are only a few things a year like that +Jan 17 14:44:57 <quantumsummers> true, but they are ~$25 +Jan 17 14:45:03 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, its a professional touch on the stand +Jan 17 14:45:04 <quantumsummers> which is nuts +Jan 17 14:45:24 <quantumsummers> I agree we should have tshirts, however I think we can get a better deal. +Jan 17 14:45:29 <robbat2> with past events of Gentoo i've been to. it's all been that one person gets the shirts and we each just paid them back for however many shirts we pre-ordered +Jan 17 14:45:42 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how many people do we have manning stands ? +Jan 17 14:45:45 <robbat2> there were 3 generations of shirts i've seen +Jan 17 14:46:06 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I am not sure +Jan 17 14:46:14 <robbat2> vapier's golf shirts, german conspiracy's branded mid-length sleeve t-shirts, and then their plain gentoo t's +Jan 17 14:46:25 <NeddySeagoon> lets park it for now ... +Jan 17 14:46:30 <quantumsummers> I am comfortable going ahead for the short term +Jan 17 14:46:36 <robbat2> the german conspiracy had dev names on the back, maybe find out their costs for those? +Jan 17 14:46:49 <quantumsummers> though at some point we need to reconsider IMO +Jan 17 14:47:25 <quantumsummers> robbat2: sounds good +Jan 17 14:47:37 <NeddySeagoon> anyway - we are wandering off the agenda +Jan 17 14:48:00 <NeddySeagoon> Willikins, bug 296492 +Jan 17 14:48:02 <Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o +Jan 17 14:48:27 <dabbott> the links are fixed +Jan 17 14:48:27 <NeddySeagoon> can we close this bug ? +Jan 17 14:48:29 <quantumsummers> I like what robbat2 suggests here +Jan 17 14:48:38 <NeddySeagoon> me too +Jan 17 14:48:49 <robbat2> i need to do it then +Jan 17 14:48:59 <quantumsummers> yes please :) +Jan 17 14:49:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, we'll keep this bug open then +Jan 17 14:49:51 <NeddySeagoon> Willikins, bug 296766 +Jan 17 14:49:52 <Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +Jan 17 14:50:33 <quantumsummers> tsunam: please let us know what is up with this item. There is no change here http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/cgi-bin/prcdtl.cgi?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC// +Jan 17 14:50:40 <NeddySeagoon> lets hold this over until April, in case there are more changes in directors +Jan 17 14:50:44 <quantumsummers> ok +Jan 17 14:50:55 <quantumsummers> I thought he submitted the forms already +Jan 17 14:51:03 <NeddySeagoon> Although, thats fmccors address ... +Jan 17 14:51:17 <quantumsummers> it needs to be changed +Jan 17 14:52:11 <NeddySeagoon> yes - but does it need to be done before April ? +Jan 17 14:52:25 <quantumsummers> not likely. +Jan 17 14:52:53 <NeddySeagoon> Willikins, bug 296878 +Jan 17 14:52:55 <Willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296878 "LWN.net group subscription"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o +Jan 17 14:54:01 <NeddySeagoon> What is LWN.net and how would funding subscriptions fit into the foundations stated purpose ? +Jan 17 14:54:32 <quantumsummers> linux weekly news +Jan 17 14:54:37 <dabbott> http://lwn.net/ +Jan 17 14:56:21 <NeddySeagoon> how would funding subscriptions fit into the foundations stated purpose ? +Jan 17 14:57:44 <quantumsummers> hmm, difficult to say. I do know that sec vulns are published there, but I have not used lwn much +Jan 17 14:58:05 <NeddySeagoon> I vote no, as I don't see news like this helping FOSS +Jan 17 14:58:41 <robbat2> a no from me as well, per my comment on the bug +Jan 17 14:59:01 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, quantumsummers a vote please +Jan 17 14:59:03 * quantumsummers votes no +Jan 17 14:59:29 <dabbott> no +Jan 17 15:00:04 <NeddySeagoon> bug defeated - the foundation will not fund subscriptions +Jan 17 15:00:12 <NeddySeagoon> brb +Jan 17 15:03:51 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business - we need to skip this as tsunam isn't here +Jan 17 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications +Jan 17 15:04:26 <dabbott> we can do the Trusrees part +Jan 17 15:04:28 <NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers ... +Jan 17 15:04:40 <dabbott> *Trustees +Jan 17 15:04:47 <quantumsummers> reload the page NeddySeagoon +Jan 17 15:05:05 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +Jan 17 15:05:11 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Jan 17 15:05:32 <dabbott> yw, just reminders +Jan 17 15:05:33 * bonsaikitten (n=quassel@gentoo/developer/bonsaikitten) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Jan 17 15:05:34 <NeddySeagoon> Trustees +Jan 17 15:06:43 <NeddySeagoon> We need to set a recording date for the Election - thats the cut off for setting the voters list. I propose 31 Jan 2010 as thats a Sunday and just before nomination open +Jan 17 15:07:10 <NeddySeagoon> everything else on the agenda is as usual +Jan 17 15:07:27 <quantumsummers> I second the proposal from NeddySeagoon +Jan 17 15:07:42 <NeddySeagoon> +1 +Jan 17 15:07:47 <quantumsummers> +1 +Jan 17 15:07:47 <dabbott> +1 +Jan 17 15:07:56 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +Jan 17 15:07:58 <robbat2> +1 +Jan 17 15:08:42 <NeddySeagoon> carried. I'll speak to elections to get something set up and put out an email to canvass new members. +Jan 17 15:09:32 <NeddySeagoon> We might need a special meeting on 31 jan - can everyone do that - just to consider new member applications. We and do it byu email if possible +Jan 17 15:09:46 <quantumsummers> I can +Jan 17 15:09:53 <dabbott> ok by me +Jan 17 15:10:10 <robbat2> +1 +Jan 17 15:10:15 <NeddySeagoon> ok 19:00 on 31 Jan if needed +Jan 17 15:10:22 <quantumsummers> ok. +Jan 17 15:10:29 <NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Store Financial Report ... needs tsunam +Jan 17 15:10:49 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +Jan 17 15:11:48 <NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers +Jan 17 15:11:56 <NeddySeagoon> All in favour +Jan 17 15:11:58 <NeddySeagoon> +1 +Jan 17 15:11:59 <dabbott> yes +Jan 17 15:12:02 <quantumsummers> aye +Jan 17 15:12:09 <robbat2> +1 +Jan 17 15:12:15 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Jan 17 15:12:17 <quantumsummers> added to list going out today +Jan 17 15:12:29 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, please add them to the list to be notified +Jan 17 15:12:41 <quantumsummers> done +Jan 17 15:12:54 <NeddySeagoon> Item 7 Date of Next Meeting 21th Feb 2010 19:00 UTC +Jan 17 15:13:10 <dabbott> ok here +Jan 17 15:13:13 <quantumsummers> works for me +Jan 17 15:13:14 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jan 17 15:13:33 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +Jan 17 15:13:42 <quantumsummers> good to keep it away from the girl holiday +Jan 17 15:13:49 <robbat2> +1 +Jan 17 15:13:56 <NeddySeagoon> girl holiday ? +Jan 17 15:14:04 <quantumsummers> Valentine's Day +Jan 17 15:14:08 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Jan 17 15:14:16 <quantumsummers> my wife would killl me +Jan 17 15:14:23 <NeddySeagoon> Item 7 Any other business ... +Jan 17 15:14:26 <quantumsummers> yes that was kill with 3 ls +Jan 17 15:14:29 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +Jan 17 15:14:57 <quantumsummers> no AOB from me other than iCoalesce: use it lemme know if you have questions/problems +Jan 17 15:15:03 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jan 17 15:15:07 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +Jan 17 15:15:31 <dabbott> no, just if quantumsummers could look into the email storage options +Jan 17 15:15:40 * quantumsummers will do it +Jan 17 15:15:43 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, +Jan 17 15:15:57 <robbat2> none from me at this time +Jan 17 15:16:15 <NeddySeagoon> none from me +Jan 17 15:16:29 <NeddySeagoon> Item 9 Open Floor +Jan 17 15:16:29 <quantumsummers> we did this meeting in record time :D +Jan 17 15:16:58 * quantumsummers will brb +Jan 17 15:17:56 * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed diff --git a/2010/20100221_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100221_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..700b8d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100221_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,388 @@ +Feb 21 14:00:01 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel and calls the meeting to order +Feb 21 14:00:09 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call +Feb 21 14:00:44 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, quantumsummers|a tsunam dabbott +Feb 21 14:00:52 <quantumsummers|a> present +Feb 21 14:01:04 <dabbott> here, but may get a phone call that I must take +Feb 21 14:01:11 * quantumsummers|a wasn't late afterall +Feb 21 14:01:17 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok +Feb 21 14:01:41 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, tsunam ? +Feb 21 14:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> we will give them a few minutes +Feb 21 14:02:00 <quantumsummers|a> ok +Feb 21 14:02:12 <NeddySeagoon> who is loggining ? +Feb 21 14:02:32 <robbat2> hi +Feb 21 14:02:34 <NeddySeagoon> It looks like I am +Feb 21 14:02:38 <robbat2> logging as usual too +Feb 21 14:02:41 <dabbott> I am also +Feb 21 14:02:50 <NeddySeagoon> We have 4, lets start +Feb 21 14:03:27 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Old Business ... we will come back to tsunams stuff +Feb 21 14:03:55 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Update and CPA quotes +Feb 21 14:04:17 <quantumsummers|a> alright +Feb 21 14:05:05 <quantumsummers|a> SFLC, I will contact them on Monday regarding the new fun we have discovered. Further, I have started requesting letters of support from a broad range of people & orgs. +Feb 21 14:05:28 <quantumsummers|a> I would like to put up a news item with a request for letters of support as well +Feb 21 14:06:04 <NeddySeagoon> Sure ... do we need a vote on that ? +Feb 21 14:06:05 <quantumsummers|a> I still have work to do on the budget, & would like some input from all of you. Esp. regarding infra needs +Feb 21 14:06:21 <robbat2> +1 on putting up an actual request +Feb 21 14:06:21 <quantumsummers|a> sure, can't hurt +Feb 21 14:06:45 <quantumsummers|a> Motion: News item requesting letters of support for our 501c3 app +Feb 21 14:06:51 <robbat2> aye +Feb 21 14:06:54 <NeddySeagoon> aye +Feb 21 14:07:00 <dabbott> yes +Feb 21 14:07:05 <quantumsummers|a> aye +Feb 21 14:07:06 <quantumsummers|a> thanks +Feb 21 14:07:18 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, do letters of support carry any weight with the IRS ? +Feb 21 14:07:24 <quantumsummers|a> I will write it up tomorrow & email a draft to the alias for review +Feb 21 14:07:51 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Feb 21 14:07:54 <quantumsummers|a> NeddySeagoon: yes. I am seeking a broad range, from individuals, businesses and non-profilts like universities +Feb 21 14:08:11 <NeddySeagoon> OK. Understood +Feb 21 14:08:13 <quantumsummers|a> so we have MIT on board, and D'Youvelle College +Feb 21 14:08:32 <quantumsummers|a> there are some others that I have spoken with as well from the business sector +Feb 21 14:08:40 <quantumsummers|a> I plan on asking some of our sponsors as well +Feb 21 14:08:42 <NeddySeagoon> Sounds like a good thing to do then +Feb 21 14:08:44 <quantumsummers|a> Asking OSL too +Feb 21 14:08:45 <robbat2> i've got an status report related to that later, where that news item I foresee as helping a lot +Feb 21 14:09:16 <quantumsummers|a> excellent +Feb 21 14:10:01 <quantumsummers|a> re: CPA, I have spoken with both parties, and been told that since it is tax time now, we have a bit longer to wait as everyone is quite busy. +Feb 21 14:10:36 <quantumsummers|a> However, I will keep up with both parties on a weekly basis to ascertain progress +Feb 21 14:10:59 <NeddySeagoon> OK. Does that mean its our tax time now too or are we too small +Feb 21 14:11:00 <quantumsummers|a> There is no real rush for us, so I think this is acceptable +Feb 21 14:11:18 <quantumsummers|a> we did not make enough $$ last year to worry about this +Feb 21 14:11:33 <NeddySeagoon> We need to fix that then +Feb 21 14:11:35 <quantumsummers|a> Regardless, we can file an extension. +Feb 21 14:11:42 <quantumsummers|a> If we need to +Feb 21 14:11:56 <NeddySeagoon> making the $$$ I mean :) +Feb 21 14:12:02 <NeddySeagoon> any more quantumsummers|a ? +Feb 21 14:12:09 <quantumsummers|a> we have 60 days to figure this out. I will take this up in conversation next week +Feb 21 14:12:16 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Feb 21 14:12:27 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, rotating sidebar +Feb 21 14:12:30 <quantumsummers|a> no, nothing more, save to say I agree that we need to raise more moiney +Feb 21 14:13:24 <robbat2> i've got a local test copy that i've been populating/testing, but the largest surprise to me +Feb 21 14:13:34 <robbat2> has been that our other sponsors that aren't on the sidebar +Feb 21 14:13:39 <robbat2> that i've approached to get added +Feb 21 14:13:56 <robbat2> the overwhelming reaction has been one of indifference or no response at all +Feb 21 14:14:21 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm. I guess they think there is no advantage in being there +Feb 21 14:14:56 <robbat2> of 7 I approached, only 2 want in +Feb 21 14:15:16 <quantumsummers|a> in that case I think we just need to give notice of what we are doing & put them all in there. +Feb 21 14:15:18 <robbat2> and one of those two, while i've asked for a logo image repeatedly, there's been nothing +Feb 21 14:15:22 <NeddySeagoon> Times are hard, advertising budgets are being cut +Feb 21 14:15:41 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, agreed +Feb 21 14:15:44 <robbat2> advertising budgets being cut should mean they are more willing to get exposure, not less +Feb 21 14:16:05 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you would think so +Feb 21 14:16:06 <quantumsummers|a> robbat2: can you provide a list of who you contactes? +Feb 21 14:16:10 <quantumsummers|a> *contacted +Feb 21 14:16:18 <robbat2> yup, I can assemble a list and send to the alias +Feb 21 14:16:32 <quantumsummers|a> thanks] +Feb 21 14:16:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, when will the rotating sidebar be ready to go live ? +Feb 21 14:16:46 <quantumsummers|a> I will put that into the donor management thing +Feb 21 14:17:12 <robbat2> unless RL issues catch me, i'm hoping for within the next 3 weeks +Feb 21 14:17:19 <robbat2> but i've got a number of other Gentoo things going on too +Feb 21 14:17:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, before our next meeting then ? +Feb 21 14:17:33 <robbat2> hardware, bugzilla3, new mirror tool etc :-) +Feb 21 14:17:49 <quantumsummers|a> robbat2: I am happy to assist, I do make a business of this exact sort of deployment +Feb 21 14:17:50 <dabbott> g-cpan :) +Feb 21 14:18:10 <robbat2> mysql 5.1 is out the way now, so that's one thing done +Feb 21 14:18:17 <quantumsummers|a> nice work on that +Feb 21 14:18:56 <robbat2> anyway, in how that ties into quantumsummers's request for support letters +Feb 21 14:19:04 <NeddySeagoon> lets leave the target as the date of our March meeting - we will discuss it then anyway +Feb 21 14:19:13 <robbat2> is that i've approached a few other orgs I've interacted with, and there is also indifference there +Feb 21 14:19:27 <dabbott> robbat2, that is strange +Feb 21 14:19:30 <robbat2> so I want to make the request more formal +Feb 21 14:19:55 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds good +Feb 21 14:20:06 <quantumsummers|a> Ok. great. I am willing to contact these people personally +Feb 21 14:20:18 <robbat2> that's all from me +Feb 21 14:20:20 <quantumsummers|a> via phone perhaps once we have the news item up +Feb 21 14:20:29 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Feb 21 14:20:51 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott Conference Funding Form +Feb 21 14:21:30 <dabbott> please review , just a form to add to the bug report +Feb 21 14:21:50 <quantumsummers|a> looks good to me +Feb 21 14:21:59 <robbat2> can we fix the spelling of dev names ;-)? +Feb 21 14:22:16 <robbat2> and have that one as the example, with an actual blank one for devs to fill +Feb 21 14:22:20 <quantumsummers|a> lol, dabbott, you often call robbat2 rabbat +Feb 21 14:22:56 <dabbott> ok will fix +Feb 21 14:23:02 <NeddySeagoon> heh. I've nothing to add to the above. +Feb 21 14:23:08 <quantumsummers|a> Would it be appropriate to request that the participants write something up after the event for us to post? +Feb 21 14:23:27 <quantumsummers|a> perhaps the actual requester should be charged with the responsibility +Feb 21 14:23:34 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, good idea - a news item for the front page +Feb 21 14:23:37 <quantumsummers|a> this may assist in PR efforts +Feb 21 14:23:37 <robbat2> i like the sound of that +Feb 21 14:24:01 <quantumsummers|a> request or require>? +Feb 21 14:24:21 <quantumsummers|a> we could make it a condition of the funding +Feb 21 14:24:35 <quantumsummers|a> nothing terribly burdensome, of course +Feb 21 14:24:43 <NeddySeagoon> strongly request - we would not stop funding events because of lcak of a news item and there is no way to enforce it +Feb 21 14:25:09 <quantumsummers|a> could apply a slacker mark possibly +Feb 21 14:25:15 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, isn't that cutting off our nose to spite our face ? +Feb 21 14:25:26 <quantumsummers|a> probably +Feb 21 14:25:40 <dabbott> ok I will add is as a request and send the updated form example and blank form to trustees@ for review +Feb 21 14:25:47 <quantumsummers|a> just thinking it through, I am not advocating for a requirement +Feb 21 14:25:53 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, fix the form and post in in foundation webspace +Feb 21 14:26:02 <dabbott> ok +Feb 21 14:26:05 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we trust you +Feb 21 14:26:08 <quantumsummers|a> thanks dabbott +Feb 21 14:26:59 <NeddySeagoon> neddyseagoon Donation and Vendor Advertising Policy and Guidelines +Feb 21 14:27:13 <NeddySeagoon> I've added robbat2 comments today +Feb 21 14:27:29 <quantumsummers|a> the char limit is currently 50, not 32 +Feb 21 14:27:38 <quantumsummers|a> though that is trivial to change +Feb 21 14:27:53 <NeddySeagoon> I'll update the doc +Feb 21 14:28:29 <quantumsummers|a> ok, 50 seems more reasonable. They can submit longer but it will be truncated at 50 with a ... following +Feb 21 14:29:20 <NeddySeagoon> 30->50 done +Feb 21 14:29:31 <quantumsummers|a> the algorithm used in determining what is shown is a simple weighted random subset method +Feb 21 14:29:50 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, sould I add that in ? +Feb 21 14:29:51 <quantumsummers|a> err, simple ramdon weighted subset, more properly +Feb 21 14:29:56 <quantumsummers|a> *randome +Feb 21 14:29:59 <quantumsummers|a> wow +Feb 21 14:30:18 <quantumsummers|a> NeddySeagoon: doesn't matter to me, if you wish to do so, then by all means +Feb 21 14:31:00 <quantumsummers|a> the code is publicly available as well on git.overlays.g.o +Feb 21 14:31:09 <quantumsummers|a> proj/gentoo-ads.git +Feb 21 14:32:20 <quantumsummers|a> its also likely that somebody, perhaps me, should style the output a little better +Feb 21 14:32:22 <NeddySeagoon> updated +Feb 21 14:32:43 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need a vote on the policy adoption ? +Feb 21 14:33:10 <NeddySeagoon> Motion to adopt http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml as our policy for large users +Feb 21 14:33:26 <quantumsummers|a> I think we should consider this a first draft. I would really like to run this by the sflc before we set it in stone +Feb 21 14:33:28 <NeddySeagoon> wishing to place ads on gentoo.org +Feb 21 14:33:44 <quantumsummers|a> perhaps a disclainer that we may change this policy +Feb 21 14:33:54 <quantumsummers|a> or refine it over time +Feb 21 14:33:55 <NeddySeagoon> Motion denied +Feb 21 14:34:01 <quantumsummers|a> sorry NeddySeagoon +Feb 21 14:34:27 <quantumsummers|a> Given what other OSS nfps have, I think we need to take more time +Feb 21 14:34:28 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, good idea ... I'll add that. +Feb 21 14:35:56 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 4 Open Bugs +Feb 21 14:36:02 <quantumsummers|a> I was looking at PSF (python) I think, they had a nice disclaimer explicitly stating that one could not buy a link, but had to demonstrate use to be considered a supporter. We have something close to that now, but just a thought as explicit is better than implicit +Feb 21 14:36:16 <quantumsummers|a> yes, please cont. +Feb 21 14:36:52 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 284224 +Feb 21 14:36:56 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284224 "Summer of Code changes in reimbursement"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:trustees@g.o +Feb 21 14:36:56 <quantumsummers|a> I am going to call Josh. +Feb 21 14:37:06 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, good plan +Feb 21 14:37:36 <robbat2> esp since this is the second meeting he's missed in a row +Feb 21 14:37:50 <quantumsummers|a> he's jumping on now +Feb 21 14:37:55 <tsunam> that I would be ~_~ +Feb 21 14:38:04 <quantumsummers|a> :D +Feb 21 14:38:15 <tsunam> for some reason thought it was next week =/ +Feb 21 14:38:19 <NeddySeagoon> Denis Healey eyebrows ... +Feb 21 14:38:25 <quantumsummers|a> lets give josh a few mins to read back ok? +Feb 21 14:38:55 <NeddySeagoon> I was here last week, than I read /topic +Feb 21 14:39:02 * quantumsummers|a has to attend to a roasting ham for a sec anyhow :) +Feb 21 14:40:27 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, we can do the stuff you missed now or slot it in after bugs. Either way, it looks like its your turn +Feb 21 14:42:04 <tsunam> caught up +Feb 21 14:42:20 <tsunam> we've received the first check from Google for the Summer of Code changes +Feb 21 14:42:41 <tsunam> second is still pending but hopefully before the middle of next month we should have those funds as well +Feb 21 14:43:11 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, thats progress. We will stick with bugs +Feb 21 14:43:25 <tsunam> k +Feb 21 14:43:26 <robbat2> was the first cheque the backdated money or the 2009 money? +Feb 21 14:43:38 <tsunam> 2009 +Feb 21 14:43:43 <robbat2> thanks +Feb 21 14:43:48 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296492 +Feb 21 14:43:50 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o +Feb 21 14:44:15 <dabbott> that should be fixed afaik +Feb 21 14:45:01 <NeddySeagoon> can someone close the bug - my normal browser is broken and I can't remember my bugsie passwd +Feb 21 14:45:02 <robbat2> we already said last month to fix it, i just haven't changed all of them yet +Feb 21 14:45:17 <NeddySeagoon> ok, leave the bug open then +Feb 21 14:45:24 <robbat2> we should run a link checker over the foundation space maybe +Feb 21 14:45:46 <NeddySeagoon> that sounds like a good ideA +Feb 21 14:46:02 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766 +Feb 21 14:46:03 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +Feb 21 14:46:32 <robbat2> last month we said to postpone that till after the election +Feb 21 14:46:45 <NeddySeagoon> if the paperwork is not in the post, it may as well wait until the election is over +Feb 21 14:46:50 <tsunam> as we'd have to file again with the changes if they should change +Feb 21 14:47:43 <NeddySeagoon> yes +Feb 21 14:48:03 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 302508 +Feb 21 14:48:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302508 "Funding Request for SCALE LiveDVD's"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; solar@g.o:trustees@g.o +Feb 21 14:48:45 <robbat2> too late for that one now, but long term we have the new conf funding doc +Feb 21 14:48:53 <robbat2> to hopefully approve them faster +Feb 21 14:49:11 <quantumsummers|a> yes, we can close this bug, perhaps link to the new request form +Feb 21 14:49:19 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Feb 21 14:49:37 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853 +Feb 21 14:49:39 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; NEW; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o +Feb 21 14:50:06 <quantumsummers|a> lets see if anyone has larry graphics +Feb 21 14:50:18 <quantumsummers|a> I do not know of any print quality versions +Feb 21 14:50:34 <NeddySeagoon> ok - there are some on the site but I think they are small +Feb 21 14:50:53 <robbat2> i saw a larger bitmap version on some media somewhere years ago, but I cannot recall where +Feb 21 14:51:07 <robbat2> might have been a bootsplash or desktop bg in the media +Feb 21 14:51:08 <NeddySeagoon> Do we want a competition or a news itesm asking for a graphic for a T-shirt ? +Feb 21 14:51:34 <quantumsummers|a> sounds like a fine idea +Feb 21 14:52:22 <NeddySeagoon> Both then - a news item annoucing the comptition +Feb 21 14:53:12 <dabbott> I can do it it sort of ties into PR anyway +Feb 21 14:53:17 <NeddySeagoon> We have the 10th anaversary stuff to draw on. +Feb 21 14:53:21 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Feb 21 14:53:42 <dabbott> beandog has a new larry graphic I saw on his new site +Feb 21 14:54:24 <tsunam> http://znurt.org/ <--talking about the one there? +Feb 21 14:54:25 <NeddySeagoon> the competition will raise awareness, so its good from that point of view +Feb 21 14:54:46 <dabbott> yea thats it +Feb 21 14:55:20 <robbat2> znurt is the saucer +Feb 21 14:55:25 <NeddySeagoon> do we what full cow or just a headshot +Feb 21 14:55:32 <tsunam> yes but znurt is beaming up larry :-P +Feb 21 14:55:43 <tsunam> I tend to like full cow larry +Feb 21 14:55:57 <dabbott> with or without utter +Feb 21 14:56:15 <quantumsummers|a> *udder ;) +Feb 21 14:56:18 <NeddySeagoon> leave it to the competition entries to decide +Feb 21 14:56:38 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 305639 +Feb 21 14:56:40 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/305639 "Reimbursement from infra budget: halcy0n for bender PSUs"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +Feb 21 14:56:59 <robbat2> solar was wondering if dev boxes should be covered in the infra budget or not +Feb 21 14:57:05 <tsunam> I need to send off a check still as halcyon specifically asked for a check +Feb 21 14:57:09 <robbat2> or kept as seperate +Feb 21 14:57:25 <quantumsummers|a> I see no issue with paying for this +Feb 21 14:57:40 <quantumsummers|a> though keeping it out of the official infra budget is fine by me +Feb 21 14:57:41 <NeddySeagoon> Anything we need to maintain should be in the infra budget +Feb 21 14:57:41 <robbat2> yeah, merely which virtual bucket the money counts as from +Feb 21 14:57:49 <tsunam> robbat2: infrastructure maintains all the hardware even the dev boxes so from my perspective it should go under their budget +Feb 21 14:58:02 <robbat2> not all the dev boxes +Feb 21 14:58:13 <robbat2> some of *.dev.g.o are directly housed/owned by devs +Feb 21 14:58:21 <NeddySeagoon> that may mean the infra budget needs to be reviewed +Feb 21 14:59:03 <robbat2> bender just happens to be at OSL +Feb 21 14:59:26 <robbat2> of which, I need to get the photos of our gear at OSL up on a webpage +Feb 21 14:59:38 * armin76 wants pics +Feb 21 14:59:44 <robbat2> as i put labels on the items that are actually owned by the foundation +Feb 21 15:00:08 <robbat2> when I was there a few months ago +Feb 21 15:00:24 <armin76> robbat2: sent me teh pics! +Feb 21 15:00:27 <NeddySeagoon> Any equipment we own or maintain needs to be under the infra budget. Thats everything, routers UPS ... +Feb 21 15:00:29 <armin76> send* +Feb 21 15:00:33 <tsunam> which is very little actually for what we own +Feb 21 15:01:50 <NeddySeagoon> I suppose it includes hardware donated to Gentoo too +Feb 21 15:02:17 <robbat2> maybe rename it to be the Gentoo hardware maintenance budget +Feb 21 15:02:23 <robbat2> rather than explicitly infra +Feb 21 15:02:32 <NeddySeagoon> Sounds like a good idea +Feb 21 15:02:40 <robbat2> does it leave us too open? +Feb 21 15:02:46 <robbat2> that'd be my only concern +Feb 21 15:02:56 <robbat2> but given the low level of requests, i don't think it's too much of a problem +Feb 21 15:03:26 <NeddySeagoon> We can use that as a working title and add a definition when the budge is set, after the election +Feb 21 15:03:59 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 288626 +Feb 21 15:04:01 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/288626 "[Gentoo 10 Live DVD] Vendor List"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o +Feb 21 15:04:16 <robbat2> *when the full foundation budget is set, up from the $1k/year that we set in May +Feb 21 15:04:27 <dabbott> just information gathering +Feb 21 15:04:36 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes I sit corrected +Feb 21 15:05:01 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm against a printed handbook - it will change too quickly +Feb 21 15:05:25 <dabbott> yes I agree +Feb 21 15:06:30 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Your share of agenda item 3 Updating Registration in NM, which I think we covered and OSUOSL Donation +Feb 21 15:06:48 <quantumsummers|a> that OSL donation did go out? +Feb 21 15:07:04 <tsunam> I sent it out last week. hasn't cleared yet +Feb 21 15:07:16 <quantumsummers|a> ok, thanks +Feb 21 15:07:21 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, what sort order were you using on bugs? we still need to touch bug #305341 (the locked one) +Feb 21 15:07:59 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I went down all the bugs in the agenda item link +Feb 21 15:08:17 <robbat2> the link just took your local bugzilla sort order +Feb 21 15:08:30 <NeddySeagoon> #305341 was not on the list :( +Feb 21 15:08:34 <robbat2> were you logged in? +Feb 21 15:08:40 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, no +Feb 21 15:08:40 <quantumsummers|a> its on mine :) +Feb 21 15:08:48 <dabbott> thats it +Feb 21 15:09:12 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I've forgotten my bugie password +Feb 21 15:09:24 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, use the reset link on the login page +Feb 21 15:09:30 <quantumsummers|a> Motion: Vote to approve proposed infra aquisitions. +Feb 21 15:09:42 <robbat2> *phase 1 of aqusitions +Feb 21 15:09:48 <robbat2> *aquisitions +Feb 21 15:09:48 <dabbott> yes +Feb 21 15:09:51 <robbat2> aye +Feb 21 15:09:56 <tsunam> aye +Feb 21 15:09:58 <quantumsummers|a> Taco sent the email with the info +Feb 21 15:10:00 <quantumsummers|a> aye +Feb 21 15:10:42 <quantumsummers|a> $3435.02 USD +Feb 21 15:10:46 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, the updated bug has the due diligence in pricing you requested btw +Feb 21 15:12:02 <quantumsummers|a> that is actually $3485.02 USD +Feb 21 15:12:20 <robbat2> addition error? +Feb 21 15:12:43 <quantumsummers|a> the one I was looking at omitted the "Installation Costs" +Feb 21 15:13:03 <NeddySeagoon> Bugsie doesn't like me The token you submitted does not exist, has expired, or has been cancelled +Feb 21 15:13:19 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, hmm, i'll help you fix after the meeting +Feb 21 15:13:41 <quantumsummers|a> teh request looks good & I think its now approved by majority +Feb 21 15:13:49 <NeddySeagoon> ok, thanks robbat2 +Feb 21 15:13:56 <quantumsummers|a> I shall update the bug. +Feb 21 15:14:06 <quantumsummers|a> tsunam: how soon can we place the orders? +Feb 21 15:14:36 <NeddySeagoon> Is this for the Atoms or everything ? +Feb 21 15:14:40 <tsunam> hopefully next week +Feb 21 15:14:40 <robbat2> atoms +Feb 21 15:14:58 <tsunam> need to see how I'll need to order though +Feb 21 15:14:59 <quantumsummers|a> tsunam: do we have a card yet? +Feb 21 15:15:02 <tsunam> quantumsummers|a: nope +Feb 21 15:15:14 <robbat2> expecting the card in the next week? +Feb 21 15:15:26 <tsunam> expecting to hear back if we get approved or not yes +Feb 21 15:15:29 <dabbott> for the record Motion: Vote to approve proposed infra aquisitionsphase 1 passed. +Feb 21 15:15:38 <quantumsummers|a> dabbott: thanks +Feb 21 15:15:51 <quantumsummers|a> tsunam: I can expedite things I bet +Feb 21 15:16:06 <tsunam> quantumsummers|a: hmm? +Feb 21 15:16:25 <quantumsummers|a> as long as you reimburse me in short order. I can order the items myself +Feb 21 15:16:43 <tsunam> quantumsummers|a: I could do the same as well +Feb 21 15:16:52 <tsunam> which is how I've managed things so far +Feb 21 15:17:04 <quantumsummers|a> I see, its up to you. +Feb 21 15:17:10 <tsunam> thank you though +Feb 21 15:17:17 <quantumsummers|a> my pleasure +Feb 21 15:17:24 <robbat2> ok, I think that's all the bugs. that leaves New Business / {dabbott, Trustees} and items 6-10 +Feb 21 15:17:38 <NeddySeagoon> I guess its easier for tsunam, as hes treasuerer +Feb 21 15:18:21 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 New Business +Feb 21 15:18:34 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business +Feb 21 15:18:48 <NeddySeagoon> GSoC Back Pay Update tsunam +Feb 21 15:19:15 <tsunam> first check for 2009 received, second for previous years still pending +Feb 21 15:19:37 <tsunam> from donnie the second check was not net+30 but net+60 days +Feb 21 15:19:45 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Foundation motions page +Feb 21 15:20:11 <NeddySeagoon> looks good to me +Feb 21 15:20:25 <dabbott> page suggested by robbat2 to keep motions organized +Feb 21 15:20:26 <robbat2> I verified all of 2009 (and added some missing items) +Feb 21 15:20:34 <robbat2> that leaves just 2008 and 2010 to finish +Feb 21 15:21:00 <dabbott> I will add to 2010 as we go on +Feb 21 15:21:08 <NeddySeagoon> I'll have a look at 2008 +Feb 21 15:21:20 <dabbott> 1 motion to add from todays meeting +Feb 21 15:21:25 <quantumsummers|a> 2 +Feb 21 15:21:37 <dabbott> ahh 2 +Feb 21 15:21:47 <quantumsummers|a> letters & funding +Feb 21 15:21:58 <dabbott> ok thanks +Feb 21 15:22:08 <quantumsummers|a> well three, donation policy, but that was denied +Feb 21 15:22:30 <NeddySeagoon> May as well record that +Feb 21 15:23:13 <NeddySeagoon> Trustees stuff. Nothing to discuss until we get to the last bullet Trademark Violation ? Tardix +Feb 21 15:23:33 <quantumsummers|a> my proposal was in the email response +Feb 21 15:24:06 <dabbott> How is the store doing? +Feb 21 15:24:48 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, In addition to your proposal, I think we write to the owner and the hosting company and ask for a takedown. We should also write to sponsors as they may want to take their own action +Feb 21 15:26:03 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, your email was not public - you may want to reproduce the core of it here for the log +Feb 21 15:26:11 <quantumsummers|a> In that case, I say we give them 5 days to comply before we file charges. +Feb 21 15:26:26 <quantumsummers|a> NeddySeagoon: it is not public. Though all the board members can read it +Feb 21 15:26:43 <quantumsummers|a> unless you want me to make it public +Feb 21 15:26:50 <quantumsummers|a> which I am fine with +Feb 21 15:27:16 <robbat2> be sure to trim the text that you quoted if you do +Feb 21 15:27:16 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, well, I think we will have a motion here - that needs to be copen +Feb 21 15:27:19 <NeddySeagoon> open* +Feb 21 15:27:28 <quantumsummers|a> ok. +Feb 21 15:27:45 <NeddySeagoon> Thats why I suggested you put the gist of it here +Feb 21 15:27:46 <robbat2> (or get the author's permission to reproduce that text as well) +Feb 21 15:29:00 <quantumsummers|a> Based on observation of www.tardix.org it infringes Gentoo trademark and copyright. It violates our CC license. It is criminal defamation (malicious slander and/or libel). +Feb 21 15:29:40 <quantumsummers|a> I propose to the board of trustees in today's meeting that we immediately contact our legal representative and initiate proceedings against the apparent owner(s) of this site. +Feb 21 15:29:47 <robbat2> defamation due to their use of text replacements: s/gentoo/Tardix/gi, s/developer/Whore/gi, s/performance/stickers/ etc. +Feb 21 15:29:49 <NeddySeagoon> I would like to go with a takedown notice while we take legal advice +Feb 21 15:29:56 <quantumsummers|a> My reasons for such action coalesce around the idea that if some entity were to do such a thing to my business I would file charges in a court of law immediately due to the obvious malicious intent. +Feb 21 15:30:27 <quantumsummers|a> NeddySeagoon: I agree with you. lets send a letter to the operator & rackspace +Feb 21 15:30:52 <quantumsummers|a> while on Monday I will contact our legal rep regarding next steps +Feb 21 15:30:55 <robbat2> a well-written DMCA request, or a C&D letter? +Feb 21 15:31:13 <NeddySeagoon> Motion ... Send takedown notic and seek legal advice over Tardix.org +Feb 21 15:31:21 * tsunam mentions that robbat2 is no doubt very familar with both +Feb 21 15:31:34 <quantumsummers|a> Well, that's the thing, I want to talk to our lawyers before we do anything +Feb 21 15:31:45 <robbat2> can we please clarify by takedown request do we mean a DMCA request or a C&D? +Feb 21 15:31:49 <robbat2> or a friendly letter first +Feb 21 15:31:53 <quantumsummers|a> we should wait until we are advised +Feb 21 15:32:22 <NeddySeagoon> I mean C&D ... the DMCA does not apply to me so I am not familiar with it +Feb 21 15:32:30 <robbat2> ok, so ask counsel tommorow, and then we send one of those +Feb 21 15:32:42 <quantumsummers|a> ok, sounds good +Feb 21 15:32:50 <quantumsummers|a> I will report back immediately +Feb 21 15:32:56 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, thanks +Feb 21 15:33:02 <dabbott> ty quantumsummers|a +Feb 21 15:33:03 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need a vote ? +Feb 21 15:33:04 <quantumsummers|a> my pleasure +Feb 21 15:33:11 <quantumsummers|a> lets do it via email +Feb 21 15:33:15 <quantumsummers|a> vote that is +Feb 21 15:33:18 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Feb 21 15:33:20 <quantumsummers|a> sound ok? +Feb 21 15:33:22 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, DMCA requests are considerably easier to produce, and have less legal backlash in MOST cases +Feb 21 15:33:44 <robbat2> provided you follow their terms correctly. if you screw up a DMCA, the backlash is worse +Feb 21 15:33:45 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, thanks for the clarifiaction +Feb 21 15:34:14 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 6 Membership Applications - none to vote on +Feb 21 15:34:32 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Date of Next Meeting - 21th Mar 2010 19:00 UTC +Feb 21 15:34:49 <NeddySeagoon> That works for me +Feb 21 15:34:55 <dabbott> OK here +Feb 21 15:34:56 * quantumsummers|a appologizes, but has to go. In brief, the date for the next meeting is fine by me. Mr. Chandras has been added to the rolls, as you can see here: http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/20100213_members_list.xml +Feb 21 15:35:09 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Feb 21 15:35:17 <tsunam> works for me as well +Feb 21 15:35:25 <tsunam> I'll make sure to add a reminder this time +Feb 21 15:35:27 <quantumsummers|a> I will be available in about 3.5 hours if someone needs me +Feb 21 15:35:32 <robbat2> i think that covers everything +Feb 21 15:35:35 <robbat2> for today +Feb 21 15:35:48 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Feb 21 15:35:54 <NeddySeagoon> None from me +Feb 21 15:36:01 <robbat2> none here +Feb 21 15:36:03 <dabbott> nope +Feb 21 15:36:09 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, +Feb 21 15:36:12 <NeddySeagoon> ^^ +Feb 21 15:36:30 <NeddySeagoon> Item 10 Open Floor +Feb 21 15:37:38 * robbat2 listens to the crickets chirp +Feb 21 15:37:53 * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed diff --git a/2010/20100321_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100321_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..62eacd7 --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100321_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,418 @@ +19:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel and calls the meeting to order ... roll call +19:00 < tsunam> here +19:00 <@dabbott> here +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, robbat2|na ? +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum anyway - they can catch up +19:01 < shanecoughlan> Shane Coughlan from OIN, here as a visitor +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 2 Who is logging the meeting ? +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> shanecoughlan, welcome +19:01 <@robbat2|na> hi +19:01 < tsunam> welcome shanecoughlan +19:01 -!- robbat2|na is now known as robbat2 +19:02 < tsunam> I'm logging if needed +19:02 <@dabbott> hi shanecoughlan +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> I think I am too +19:02 <@dabbott> me also +19:02 * quantumsummers is here +19:02 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o tsunam] by robbat2 +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business. +19:03 * dabbott reminds everyone to refresh the agenda page +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Election Results - For the record, there was three candidates for 3 vacancies ... they were elected unopposed +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> As there was no vote, the cull of inactive members needs to be deferred until 2011. Is everyone OK with that ? +19:04 <@dabbott> yes +19:05 <@robbat2> no objections from me +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> or are there other ideas +19:05 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: in general, I think that is fine, although there are quite a few "members" that we can call MIA +19:05 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: might want to mention the 3 elected for the record +19:05 <@tsunam> I'm fine with deferring it until 2011 +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> The three trustees elected for 2010 to 2012 are NeddySeagoon, tsunam and dabbott - all the trustees that retired by rotation +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Updating Registration in NM (postponed until trustee results) ... any progress. +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> afk for 5 min +19:07 <@tsunam> I will work on this now that the election results are official +19:07 <@quantumsummers> sounds great +19:07 <@tsunam> I will contact each trustee to confirm address and contact information in case it has changed since the last update +19:07 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: how soon can you get that in place? +19:07 <@tsunam> I'll send out emails next week to the trustee's and hopefully fill out the paperwork in the same week +19:08 * quantumsummers thinks we'll need that before filing for np status +19:08 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: that is solid, thanks +19:08 <@quantumsummers> Guess we can move to GSoC Back Pay Update +19:08 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: ? +19:09 <@tsunam> Google has given us the money for all the previous years as requested +19:09 <@tsunam> there is no outstanding balances with google at this time +19:09 <@quantumsummers> fantastic. that is a substantial amount of money. thanks tsunam +19:09 <@robbat2> what was the amount we gained from that, if you're comfortable mentioning the amount here? +19:10 <@tsunam> I'd have to review the total amount to give an exact figure, but it was about 15k +19:10 <@robbat2> nice +19:10 <@dabbott> great, I will remove it from the agenda +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, well done +19:11 * quantumsummers will continues to SFLC Update, if everyone is ready +19:11 <@tsunam> thanks goes to donnie for working with google to get it arranged +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers +19:11 <@robbat2> yup +19:11 <@quantumsummers> three cheers for Donnie +19:11 <@dabbott> hip hip +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> horay ... I'll drop him a thank you email +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, SFLC Update please +19:12 <@quantumsummers> re: sflc; starting with the 1023 app; I anticipate the last pieces of my part going out this week +19:12 <@quantumsummers> sflc will complete 2 sections dealing with the late application which include some narrative, etc by the middle of April +19:13 <@quantumsummers> we should have everything in order to submit following a final draft approval +19:13 <@quantumsummers> shooting for mid april +19:13 <@quantumsummers> we have all necessary pieces like the bylaws, etc +19:13 <@quantumsummers> I need to play a bit more with the budget in comparison to some examples I have +19:13 <@quantumsummers> I will need feedback on the budget, of course +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can it be an AGM item, or should we wait until May ? AGM would be good +19:14 <@quantumsummers> although its not a set-in-stone sort of thing +19:14 <@quantumsummers> AGM +19:14 <@quantumsummers> I would really like to get this out asap +19:14 <@quantumsummers> AGM is good with me, I think sflc will be fine with that too +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - will you circulate the 1023 for us all to read and understand please ? +19:15 <@quantumsummers> I am also working with sflc to put me in contact with several major users of gentoo. +19:15 <@tsunam> sure +19:15 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: sure will +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it will be novel to me :) +19:15 <@quantumsummers> I am still collecting letters of support +19:15 <@robbat2> re letters of support, last month we suggested a formal request for said letters, did that get written and put up? +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> how many letters of support do we need, or is the the more the better ? +19:16 <@quantumsummers> hmm, I wrote that up, but only circulated privately +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't recall seeing it +19:16 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: more the better, then we can cherry pick the best ones for inclusion in the app +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok +19:17 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: circulated amongst people I knew that would be interested in writing one for uis +19:17 <@quantumsummers> I need to post that an a couple other things to the /news +19:17 * quantumsummers been busy a bit ;) +19:17 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, can you please send that letter on to the rest of us, as I was waiting for it to send to some major gentoo users I know +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Ah ok ... that works for me. Where is the record and the responses ? Think audit trail +19:17 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: yes sir. +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) +19:19 <@quantumsummers> CPA: ok so I have one from the local firm; $500 to $700 per month for full bookkeeping, taxes, etc. Still haven't heard from the NY group +19:19 <@quantumsummers> I'll poke them on Monday +19:20 <@quantumsummers> if we want just tax service, its about $1100 +19:20 <@quantumsummers> I found that monthly figure outrageous +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> me too +19:20 <@tsunam> for the size of our organization, and the income its quite outrageous +19:20 <@quantumsummers> taxes is a one time fee +19:20 <@quantumsummers> yeah, crazy +19:20 <@robbat2> it does seem high, but perhaps their definition of full bookkeeping is somewhat larger than we actually need +19:21 <@robbat2> we don't have any payroll for example +19:21 <@tsunam> true +19:21 <@quantumsummers> so, I think I will chat with them again. Yes, I gave them all the info, but it appears they have a different view of things than reality bears +19:21 <@quantumsummers> that is far too expensive, far and away +19:22 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps I will take the search to a broader group +19:22 <@quantumsummers> can't hurt to have more quotes +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yeah, it won't do any harm. I was expecting them to quote a fixed priced based on our workload ... not a $200 range +19:22 <@quantumsummers> I am really disappointed in the local firm, I must say +19:23 <@quantumsummers> so, the search continues +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> moving on .. +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Trademark Violation ? Tardix +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> I think this issue is closed ... unless it recurrs +19:23 <@quantumsummers> re: TM violation; sflc was quite happy with our response. if we see further nonsense, sflc is happy to take action on our behalf +19:24 <@dabbott> robbat2, ++ +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> lets leave it at that +19:24 <@quantumsummers> thanks to Diego for noting the violation and to robbat2 for squashing it +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, rotating side bar ? +19:24 <@robbat2> no change on my part, just haven't had time to sit down and deploy w/ integration to our existing stuff +19:25 <@robbat2> we do have the web nodes moved now +19:25 <@robbat2> to boxes with enough power for it +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, any ETA for deployment ? +19:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: have you deployed locally & tested/benchmarked the thing? +19:25 <@robbat2> deployed locally and tested briefly, but no benches +19:25 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, none unfortuntely. just short of time a lot lately +19:26 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I see about 300 req/s on a crap old p4 +19:26 * NeddySeagoon Cash Sponsors Policy +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> No change. Last months meeting wanted to take legal advice on the policy. Its still in my devspace +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott Larry The Cow Graphics Contest. +19:28 <@dabbott> On hold I contacted musikc by email and irc. I have not heard back. +19:28 <@dabbott> I do not want to start a Larry contest without the Gentoo Store being involved. If I ran the contest and the winning graphics was not offered on a t-shirt on the Gentoo Store as described in the contest announcement I would not have an answer when questioned as to why. +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sounds like a plan +19:29 <@dabbott> I will poke here again +19:29 <@dabbott> s/here/her +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 285520 +19:30 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285520 "Copyright year in file headers should be updated when file is edited."; Portage Development, Repoman; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:dev-portage@g.o +19:31 <@robbat2> echangelog already updates copyright dates in ebuilds and the changelog +19:31 <@robbat2> should we get it to automatically update stuff in files/? +19:31 <@robbat2> it cannot by definition update stuff in custom tarballs however +19:31 <@robbat2> so developer education may be needed there +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I raised the bug after spotting a few old dates in new ebuilds +19:31 <@robbat2> in the ebuilds themselves, or in files/ ? +19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> ebuilds +19:33 <@dabbott> then they did not use repoman +19:33 <@robbat2> odd, echangelog does edit them when there was a change +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> err ... config files when I was doing etc-update +19:33 <@robbat2> ok, config files come from files/, and echangelog doesn't touch those +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah ok. maybe we want to update files/ too then +19:35 <@robbat2> ok, lets ask the gentoolkit-dev folk to update echangelog for that +19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> at least, config files +19:35 * quantumsummers is unsure about wanting to © config files. I guess if they are gentoo-specific +19:35 <@robbat2> conf.d files certainly are gentoo-specific +19:35 <@robbat2> ditto init.d +19:35 <@quantumsummers> sure, that makes sense +19:36 <@robbat2> we would have to be very careful that we don't edit patches however +19:36 <@robbat2> because they would get broken +19:36 <@quantumsummers> perhaps I prod to take a look at what we should not mess with +19:36 <@robbat2> but this is getting outside the realm of trustee stuff I think +19:36 <@quantumsummers> indeed +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549 +19:37 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:infra-bugs@g.o +19:38 <@quantumsummers> I have a question about this. We do country or language specific channels? +19:38 <@quantumsummers> I somehow thought it was language specific +19:38 <@quantumsummers> in which case we should do a farsi (!sp) and/or arabic channel +19:39 <@dabbott> I can understand language specific, but country +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> well, there is -pt and -br which are both variarions on Porugese +19:39 <@robbat2> they are regional channels +19:39 <@robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> and #gentoo and #gentoo-uk which are different dialects of English :) +19:40 <@quantumsummers> a language-specific policy likely would render any argument regarding the concerns brought up on the bug obsolete +19:40 <@dabbott> well in that case no reason not to, the ban has been lifted +19:40 <@quantumsummers> hmm, this is tricky business. +19:40 <@tsunam> (got about 5 more minutes) +19:40 <@quantumsummers> kk +19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll go with what the American trustees decide +19:41 <@robbat2> as I noted in the bug, there is no restrictions against talking to people in Iran, you could pick up the phone now and dial somebody there +19:42 <@quantumsummers> personally, I think we should focus on language support, as opposed to a specific country in this case +19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> its the export of software from the USA. It would be up to persons located in the USA not to post things on pastebins +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that clarification would certianly fix it ... but is Iranian a language, or is it Arabic ? +19:43 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, i'm pretty sure that pastebins would fall under the TSU exemption (if anybody followed up the kernel.org stuff I mentioned) +19:44 <@robbat2> Farsi is the language +19:44 <@robbat2> but i'd expect an Iranian channel to contain both Farsi and Arabic +19:45 <@robbat2> possibly also large amounts of Turkish +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Farsi is used outside of Iran. Would this be a change of policy ? +19:45 <@dabbott> we have existing country channels so my opinion is add it, it is no different than the other ones +19:46 <@tsunam> k I'm out. bugs I'm involved in should be fairly up to date +19:46 <@tsunam> good luck with the rest of the meeting +19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> there is #gentoo-tr thats very quiet +19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, bye for now +19:46 <@robbat2> the channels have always been regional, to encourage the users in that regional to help each other, and have a larger common cultural base +19:46 <@robbat2> cya tsunam +19:46 * tsunam thinks language based would be a better policy then country +19:46 <@dabbott> later tsunam +19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, lets fix the IRC page to show channels are language based and add gentoo- whatever the abbrevation is +19:48 <@robbat2> what do we do about pt-br then? +19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Free SW transends policatical boundaries anyway +19:49 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: they are 2 dialects of portugese +19:49 <@robbat2> iirc the Quebecios had their own channel too at one point +19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> We would need to merge -pt and -br ... if the languages are close enough +19:49 <@quantumsummers> good point, robbat2 +19:50 <@robbat2> in both of those cases, the language is nearly identical, the culture isn't +19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> thats a problem +19:51 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we should request comment from legal before we proceed +19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Culture plays a big part in setting expectations and assumptions on IRC +19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok +19:51 <@robbat2> Given that Facebook (as a large US company) has iranian+Farsi support (seperate, but related), why should Gentoo have any problems adding similar support? +19:51 <@quantumsummers> I would think that doing something in the entire region should be just fine +19:52 <@quantumsummers> however, I believe its the language that is important, and not the geo-location +19:52 <@robbat2> region/culture, of which language is a major contributing factor +19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> We are taking too long on this one. +19:52 <@robbat2> yeah +19:52 <@quantumsummers> so, we can do an arabic channel, and also a farsi channel? +19:53 <@robbat2> ask legal if we can add it, in light of the TSU exemption AND facebook support +19:53 <@robbat2> if we can't add .ir directly +19:53 <@robbat2> then fallback to arabic and farsi +19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ++ +19:53 <@quantumsummers> seems fine +19:53 <@dabbott> ok +19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 252140 +19:53 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/252140 "media-libs/amr[nw]b update LICENSE"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; NEW; luke-jr+gentoobugs@utopios.org:sound@g.o +19:54 * quantumsummers apologizes, but must attend to the dinner guest. I will check in here after (about 2 hours I imagine) +19:54 <@robbat2> ssuominen asked for a link to the actual license, and never got it +19:55 <@robbat2> RESO NEEDINFO +19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok +19:56 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 293657 +19:56 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293657 "domains gentoo.at and gentoo.cc"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; jodok@batlogg.com:trustees@g.o +19:56 <@dabbott> we don't need more domains +19:58 <@robbat2> .cc has additional value in representing creative commons +19:58 <@robbat2> so if we wanted to pursue anything with that, that'd be the only reason I could find to keep it +19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, whats the infa work involved ? Are more domains value for money or should we be using sub domains ? +19:59 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, on the technical side, less than 5 mins in the ultradns admin UI +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, what about maintainance ? +20:00 <@robbat2> slightly longer to navigate around various DNS registrars for initial setup and paying annually +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> If the site won't be maintained - we don't want it +20:00 <@robbat2> (unless multi-year is possible, which is preferrable for discounts) +20:00 <@robbat2> there was no proposal to take their site +20:00 <@robbat2> only the domain +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, Gandi do multi-year +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, So we fund the registration is all ? +20:01 <@robbat2> yup +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> I have no problem with that +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> ... provided the site is maintatned +20:02 <@robbat2> what do you mean by site in this case? +20:03 <@robbat2> the other domains we've picked up have directed to some sub part of the www.gentoo.org site +20:03 <@robbat2> or made a language selection easier +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the content +20:04 <@robbat2> err, I keep interpreting you as if there is some site content other than that of www.g.o +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets just do it - its $20 a year .... we need to review the use that all these domains we pick up are put to and drop ones that are not used +20:05 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, I think .cc could go to http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that is what I was understanding +20:05 -!- Arfrever [~Arfrever@gentoo/developer/Arfrever] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Ah, I see. +20:06 <@robbat2> do we need a vote? +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, and if nobody uses gentoo.cc we drop it +20:06 <@robbat2> or just marked as accepted and i'll take care of it as the infra side +20:07 <@dabbott> fine here +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, fine by me - longer term we need a way to cull unused domains +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +20:08 <@robbat2> he's gone already +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> carried anyway - 3 votes for +20:08 <@robbat2> i'm updating the bug +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766 +20:09 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, is onto that +20:10 <@robbat2> that was dealt with earlier, just leave a comment in it I think +20:10 <@dabbott> yep +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 302542 +20:10 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302542 "domain gentoo.org.il"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; spatz@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:11 <@robbat2> do we even have a hebrew translation? +20:11 <@dabbott> .cc I can understand this one ? +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> What would we do with gentoo.il +20:12 <@robbat2> gentoo.org.ul +20:12 <@robbat2> *il +20:12 <@robbat2> not gentoo.il +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, thanks. I still don't see it being used +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, what would you do with it if we kept it for a year so we can make up our mind ? +20:13 <@robbat2> that transfer cost seems rather high +20:13 <@robbat2> let's ask now +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm against collecting random domains because that have gentoo in their names +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> they* +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> It expires next Saturday +20:15 <@robbat2> validity: 27-03-2011 +20:15 <@robbat2> no it doesn't +20:15 <@robbat2> they renewed it in the meanwhile +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, OK, we have a year to make up our minds +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853 +20:16 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; NEW; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o +20:17 <@dabbott> working on it +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> the competition +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 305341 +20:18 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: No permissions to access Bug #305341 in gentoo +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Does this bug need to be restricted? +20:19 <@dabbott> thats the provantage equipment +20:19 <@robbat2> we already said it can be unrestricted +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I can read it, the bot can't +20:19 <@robbat2> nothing in it says why it was +20:20 <@robbat2> however if we get questions about it in the first place, some of the trustees emails are private due to the sponsor's internal business details +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, correct. The expenditure will show in our accounts - we need to check the wording on the bug and open it if possible +20:21 <@robbat2> solar and kingtaco already did so +20:22 <@robbat2> the sole concern was the chain of questions as I noted +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that may come anyway, when the accounts are published +20:22 <@robbat2> yup +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets open the bug now than +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> then +20:23 <@robbat2> +1 +20:23 <@robbat2> you want to do it, or I can? +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll just do it +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 305341 +20:24 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/305341 "Funding Request: Phase 1 of OSL refresh & migration"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; kingtaco@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> that worked +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 305639 +20:25 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/305639 "Reimbursement from infra budget: halcy0n for bender PSUs"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> We need tsunam to tell us that its been paid +20:25 <@robbat2> i think the PSUs arrived at OSU already, i'll confirm and tsunam can pay halcy0n +20:25 <@robbat2> armin76, ^^^ did they turn up yet? +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 291404 +20:26 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: No permissions to access Bug #291404 in gentoo +20:26 <+armin76> robbat2: yes, ramereth said so +20:26 <@robbat2> ok, thanks +20:28 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, the last bug He/She has been quiet lately +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we are on this userrel bug for info only. +20:28 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you already commented on bug 291404 months ago, i don't see anything further for trustees +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I got two invites to join his facebook +20:29 <@dabbott> fun fun +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 296492 +20:29 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:30 <@robbat2> WIP for me +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5. New Business +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Security and confidence regarding software patents. +20:31 <@dabbott> shanecoughlan, ^^^ +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I think its a good thing ... but I would like to see our legal run an eye of the licence before we sign up +20:32 < shanecoughlan> Hi guys. While OIN cannot guarantee patent problems will not occur, we believe our deterrent is significant. +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> of -> over +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> shanecoughlan, thats only in the USA I presume ? +20:33 < shanecoughlan> The OIN licensee agreement basically says: +20:33 < shanecoughlan> (1) OIN gives you a royalty-free license for all OIN patents and patent applications. +20:33 < shanecoughlan> (2) In return you give a royalty-free license for any Linux System patents or patent applications you have to OIN and other licensees. +20:33 <@robbat2> we don't have any patents +20:33 < shanecoughlan> no, OIN has international patents, and operates globally. I am in Japan. It's 5.33am here. +20:34 < shanecoughlan> You don't need any :) It's only if you have Linux System patents that you need to grant patent licenses. If you don't have any, then there is no cost to obtaining the deterrent. +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> shanecoughlan, Its not just software patents then ? +20:34 < shanecoughlan> NeddySeagoon: only software patents. +20:34 <@robbat2> by linux system, do you cover only the kernel or the entire ecosystem? +20:35 < shanecoughlan> The OIN licensee program is about creating a software patent aggression "no fly zone" over the Linux System. +20:35 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: It is more than the kernel, but not all of FOSS. The formal definitions of Linux System and everything else OIN uses are here: +20:35 < shanecoughlan> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/pat_linuxdef.php +20:36 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: What OIN counts as Linux Environment Components (the stuff explicitly protected) are listed here: +20:36 < shanecoughlan> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/pat_linuxdefpop.html +20:37 <@robbat2> so anything that gentoo holds the base copyright on perhaps? +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm in favour of a considered approach ... I do not intend to make up my mind today +20:39 <@robbat2> shanecoughlan, your table in that last link is also somewhat broken, do you have the raw data somewhere accessible too? +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, lets come back to this +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> April Mandatory Gentoo Foundation Inc Annual General Meeting ... +20:41 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: Sorry, I just have these links. Basically, anything under the definition and links above falls under "Linux System" and requires a patent license grant from licensees (if they have any patent covering that stuff). In return they get the same from other licensees plus a grant to whatever OIN holds. Just as importantly, the licensee program also creates a link between OIN and xProject or yCompany to help deter +20:41 < shanecoughlan> aggression from any third parties. OIN has significant resources and experience in the field, and a mission to protect the growth of Linux-related innovation. +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +20:42 <@robbat2> your Linux system definition seems to be really broad however, Gentoo distributes source tarballs for a LOT of stuff, so i'm trying to see what would actually be covered of them +20:43 <@robbat2> for those that aren't already covered +20:43 <@robbat2> the linuxdefpop contains duplicated date, but the majority of those packages are already in Gentoo +20:44 <@robbat2> the DVR/DVD exemptions also seem weird +20:44 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: that means you are distributing code OIN is actively working to protect, which is one reason OIN wants to talk with you about working together. OIN wants to cover distros in the licensee program as part of its outreach to support the community. +20:44 <@robbat2> MythTV is entirely linux based, why isn't it protected as a linux system component? +20:46 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, yup, return to it on the AGM, but perhaps also schedule an additional meeting for discussing it? +20:46 <@robbat2> that list and definition raise far more questions +20:47 <@robbat2> i don't have a problem with the concept itself, I've seen Keiths presentations several times now and chatted with him +20:47 <@robbat2> but some of the details bug me now +20:47 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: OIN is happy to engage with you guys to clarify items. +20:47 <@robbat2> we're running way late on the meeting already, so pushed to another meeting / email +20:47 <@robbat2> thanks shane +20:47 <@robbat2> do we have your email address directly? +20:47 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: you are welcome. +20:48 < shanecoughlan> scoughlan@openinventionnetwork.com +20:48 <@robbat2> thanks +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok, lets take it to the list and collect all the questions together - we can then forward them to OIN. When we have some answers, we can have a discussion with OIN to tidy up loose ends +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks shanecoughlan +20:48 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, open list please, not the private alias +20:48 <@dabbott> thanks for your time shanecoughlan +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sure -nfp +20:49 <@robbat2> next agenda item +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> April will be our AGM - normal monthly business is mostly suspended. +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> We will need reports from officers. Look at last years reports. +20:50 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, can you help me with the agenda +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> The treasurers report should include a Gentoo Store Financial Report +20:50 <@robbat2> reports from president, secretary, treasurer +20:51 <@robbat2> i'll try to help tsunam with the treasurer side to review numbers before it goes final +20:51 <@dabbott> and that is all +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep. The most important point is that we double all the trustees salaries :) +20:51 <@robbat2> $0.00 to $00.00 :-) +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, exactly +20:51 <@dabbott> no layoffs this year I can promise +20:52 -!- shanecoughlan [~shanecoug@TMNfi-01p2-10.ppp11.odn.ad.jp] has left #gentoo-trustees [] +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 6 Membership Applications +20:52 <@robbat2> none at this time :-) +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> There were none +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 7 Date of Next Meeting - 18th Apr 2010 19:00 UTC +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> The UK will be on daylight saving time but I expect to be there +20:53 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, is 18:00 better ? +20:53 <@robbat2> i'm supposed to be back from silicon valley the day before that, so I should be there +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, just different +20:53 <@robbat2> i have to leave in about 5 mins now tho +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 8 Any other business ... +20:54 <@robbat2> none from me +20:54 <@dabbott> none here +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one ... the Gentoo-wiki needs to update its about page +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Its missing the acknowledgement about our logo +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Oh ... I will produce a meetings calander for the next 12 Months too +20:55 <@robbat2> open a bug for it and contact them? mikevalstar@gmail.com is the email to contact them +20:55 <@robbat2> or was in 2008 at least +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok, I'll do that +20:55 <@robbat2> but it's a wiki, we might be able to just edit in ourselves :-) +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities ... +20:56 <@robbat2> yup, we can +20:56 <@robbat2> what do you want it to say? +20:56 <@robbat2> i'll put it right now +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs and update motions - If I can remember how to use CVS +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, copy it from our non-commercial use page +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> I still have motions from 2008 to add +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> emails are down to quantumsummers but I don't think there were any new ones +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Which brings us to Item 10 Open Floor +21:00 * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed diff --git a/2010/20100418_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100418_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d189aec --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100418_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,155 @@ +* NeddySeagoon banks his gavel to bring the meeting to order +<NeddySeagoon> roll call +* quantumsummers is present +<_robbat2|irssi> present +<NeddySeagoon> tsunam, dabbott +<dabbott> here +<tsunam> present +<tsunam> heating up some food quickly +<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, would you chair please ... I may be called away +<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: very well sir +<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, at least there is some point in you being at an airport ... they are no flights here +* NeddySeagoon passes the gavel to quantumsummers +* quantumsummers calls for order ;) +<_robbat2|irssi> NeddySeagoon: consider it a time to study the sudden lack of noise pollutuion +<quantumsummers> Thanks for joining us today, normal business has been suspended due to the Annual General Meeting we are ohlding today +<_robbat2|irssi> fyi, my next flight boards in 65 minutes, so i hope we're done by then +<quantumsummers> Reports from the President, Secretary and Treasurer will be presented +<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: Mr. President, would present your report +<NeddySeagoon> The presidents report is on line at http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/PresidentsReport.xml +<quantumsummers> thank you. +<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: would you like to make any comment? +<NeddySeagoon> Provided its approved, I'll commit it to foundation webspace +<quantumsummers> Any comments from the board or members? +<NeddySeagoon> Everything is there ... the key thing is that we must get more people working in the foundation. The 5 of us is not enough +<quantumsummers> Motion: Accept NeddySeagoon's report +<NeddySeagoon> Aye +<_robbat2|irssi> no objections from me, just some minor nits about wrong auto-corrected words +<_robbat2|irssi> Aye +<dabbott> yes +<tsunam> aye +<quantumsummers> Carried +<quantumsummers> thanks Roy +<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, email me the nits, I'll fix it before I commit +* quantumsummers is scp-ing my report now. +<_robbat2|irssi> NeddySeagoon: ok, when i'm in Vancouver tonight +<NeddySeagoon> fine +<quantumsummers> Secretary's Report is here http://dev.gentoo.org/~quantumsummers/20100418_Gentoo_AGM_Sectretary_Report.txt +<quantumsummers> please pardon the format, I will xml-ify later today +<tsunam> looks fine to me +<quantumsummers> lol, that is ugly as sucker fish +<tsunam> I'd say a hagfish :-P +<quantumsummers> I am open to any additions +<quantumsummers> tsunam: HA! +<NeddySeagoon> Motion to accept the secertarys report +<_robbat2|irssi> quantumsummers: not sure if it goes in yours or tsunam's, but what about our thank-you donation to OSL? +<tsunam> aye +<NeddySeagoon> aye +<_robbat2|irssi> aye in the meantime, pending an answer about that OSL donation +<tsunam> should probably go in mine +<dabbott> Aye +<tsunam> mine's still a work in progress ~_~ +<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, that should be in the accounts +<tsunam> but I can give what I have so far +<NeddySeagoon> tsunam, yes please +<tsunam> In the fiscal year 2010, for the period of July 1st through march 31st we had a Gross total of $24,404.44. Of the above amount Google Summer of Code payments account for $19,651.59. +<tsunam> Our expenses for the same period of time include $205.87 dollars in fee's for paypal. Other expenses include purchases of the following equipment: 1 Efika MX, 6 atom based supermicro servers. The total for new hardware purchases came out to $3,751.17. Misceleneous expenses include 50 dollars to the OSUOSL beer fund to provide some support ot the students/staff who assisted in installation of the 6 atom servers. +<quantumsummers> tsunam: can you state the net from the store and donations? +<NeddySeagoon> We need to delay the acceptance motion until the report is complete +<tsunam> NeddySeagoon: understood +<tsunam> quantumsummers: store has not been transfered to the banks yet +<quantumsummers> ok. +<quantumsummers> I also noticed your pages on q1 and q1 2010 +<quantumsummers> that is q1 and q2 +<tsunam> quantumsummers: uploaded today is q2 and q3 2010 +<_robbat2|irssi> tsunam: share numbers with me this evening, and as the trustee without a report of my own to add, I'll help review and get it ready with you +<quantumsummers> very nice gentlemen +<dabbott> tsunam, example table fix for 2010q2.xml http://paste.pocoo.org/show/203366/ +<quantumsummers> Next Item +<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, its officers, reports. If we had appointed officers, its they that would be doing these reports +<quantumsummers> 501(c)(3) registration status +<quantumsummers> shall I wait? +<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, nope - please continue +<quantumsummers> Ok. +<NeddySeagoon> OOps - you are chairman. Its your meeting +<tsunam> heh +<quantumsummers> I am slow typing, sorry +<quantumsummers> so, the application is in the final stages now. I have a budget I will circulate this week. We are awaiting a bit from the sflc regarding our 3-years problem, but that is all +<tsunam> dabbott: feel free to commit +<dabbott> ok +<quantumsummers> I will send a pdf version of the completed app with extraneous materials out this week as well +<tsunam> dabbott: for both q2 and q3 this fy. It was a change I was making at the request of clarifing expenses better +<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats because we are late ? +<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we are not late for anything +<tsunam> quantumsummers: then 3-years problem? +<quantumsummers> oh oh oh +<quantumsummers> well, that is being "handled" +<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I thought there was a max time to apply for 503 status after an Inc was created ? +<quantumsummers> yes, so the app requires some extra legal fiddling, but I have assurance we will have no trouble +<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok +<quantumsummers> any questions? +<_robbat2|irssi> none +<quantumsummers> ok +<quantumsummers> Item 4 Trustee Election +<tsunam> nope, will await the final paperwork to review +<quantumsummers> tsunam: I think it will be more pleasant for you that way :) +<NeddySeagoon> not from me +<quantumsummers> Item 4 Trustee Election: The incumbent board members ran unopposed, and thus have been re-elected to another 2 year term +<quantumsummers> Congratulations once again, and thank you for all you guys continue to do for Gentoo +<NeddySeagoon> that gets the result into the meeting log - thanks +<tsunam> suggestion: mention the reelected members by name +<quantumsummers> Item 5: Meeting Calendar +<quantumsummers> whoops, NeddySeagoon, sire +<NeddySeagoon> The proposed meeting calander is at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/203288/ +<quantumsummers> The incumbents re-elected are, David Abbott, Roy Bamford, and Joshus Jackson. +<quantumsummers> *Joshua +<tsunam> quantumsummers: thank you +<quantumsummers> Motion: Approve Meeting Calendar +<dabbott> proposed meeting calender dates are fine with me +<quantumsummers> same here +<tsunam> they should be fine with me as well +<NeddySeagoon> Meetings are planned for 3rd Sunday in the month +<NeddySeagoon> Seconded +<quantumsummers> yep, that is great +<tsunam> it's seemed to work well so far +<quantumsummers> aye +<NeddySeagoon> aye +<tsunam> aye +<dabbott> aye +<quantumsummers> _robbat2|irssi: ? +<_robbat2|irssi> sorry, aye +<quantumsummers> np +<quantumsummers> Motion Carried +<quantumsummers> calendar is adopted +<_robbat2|irssi> july, october, march, I might have something, but it's too far in the future to know yet +<quantumsummers> :) +<NeddySeagoon> I'll commit that when I get the chance +<quantumsummers> Item 6: Any Other Business +<NeddySeagoon> None from me +<quantumsummers> I have something +<_robbat2|irssi> minor note from me +<_robbat2|irssi> one new sponsor coming up thanks to a chance meeting at MySQL conference, details to follow when they go online in a few weeks +<quantumsummers> I mentioned it earlier but, new stuff in icoalesce. donor management is in place, todo lists in the project, new KM stuff, etc +<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, that sounds good +<quantumsummers> nice work _robbat2|irssi +<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do we need to go into this now or is there a HOWTO to read ? +<quantumsummers> Alrighty, moving along? No more business from the board? +<tsunam> none here +<_robbat2|irssi> nothing else from me +<quantumsummers> ah, NeddySeagoon, I have a book if you want to look at that +<NeddySeagoon> none from me +<dabbott> nope +<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes please. +<quantumsummers> It should be fairly clear from clicking around a bit, but I can answer questions too +<quantumsummers> ok, so here we have our final item +<NeddySeagoon> I'll play first and ask later :) +<quantumsummers> Item 7: Open Floor +<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: indeed sir, have fun :) +<quantumsummers> Now is the time for community members to comment please +<NeddySeagoon> we must be doing a good job - the community is very quiet +<tsunam> heh +<quantumsummers> anybody? +<quantumsummers> going once ... +<quantumsummers> going twice ... +<quantumsummers> three times a lady ... +<quantumsummers> Thanks to everyone for joining us today. Meeting adjourned. diff --git a/2010/20100516_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100516_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..0fafd19 --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100516_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,375 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to bring the meeting to order and calls roll call +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, tsunam robbat2|na quantumsummers ? +20:00 <@robbat2|na> hi +20:00 <@dabbott> here, please refresh agenda page +20:00 <@quantumsummers> hello +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> missing tsunam ... does someone more local then me want to give him a call please +20:02 <@robbat2|na> i'll ring him +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> It looks like I'm logging as my logger is here +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> ta +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network ... last I heard the lawyers were looking at this +20:03 < tsunam> I'm here +20:03 < tsunam> sorry +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> hi tsunam +20:03 <@dabbott> hi tsunam +20:03 < tsunam> thought it was next week for some reason =/ +20:03 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o tsunam] by NeddySeagoon +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> its the 3rd Sunday in the month 1900 UTC +20:04 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: yeah was thinking next sunday was the 3rd +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how are the lawyers getting on with OIN ? +20:05 <@quantumsummers> sec ... +20:06 <@quantumsummers> its basically the same as the last time we discussed in March. Its not of immediate benefit, for we have no patents, however there is certainly no harm. +20:07 <@robbat2|na> so we just need to decide to join or not now? +20:07 <@quantumsummers> pretty much +20:07 <@quantumsummers> does it fit with gentoo that we are a member now. +20:07 <@quantumsummers> that is the question +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Lets join, we can always leave if we don't like it. I don't see us having any patents any time soon +20:08 <@quantumsummers> another thing to note, there is no rush to join either +20:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: you have the floor, if you wish, call a vote. +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> we need a decision to get it off the agenda ... is anything we do patentable or is copyright adequate protection ? Patents are expensive to take out +20:09 <@dabbott> motion join Open Invention Network yes no later +20:10 <@tsunam> honestly, I'm against software patents so I'd tend to avoid patents +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +20:10 <@robbat2|na> I don't think anything we've done as a Foundation is patentable. what some individual developers have done, maybe +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, me too but they are a fact of life, in the USA anyway +20:10 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: aye :( +20:11 <@tsunam> my vote is no +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> lets ask it another way. IF we had something to patent, would we fund it ? +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think we would +20:12 <@tsunam> its a good question +20:12 <@robbat2|na> my vote is later +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm with robbat2|na today +20:12 * quantumsummers abstaines +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> thats a no and two laters ... dabbott quantumsummers ? +20:13 <@dabbott> later also, we can add it back to the agenda when wanted +20:13 <@robbat2|na> by later, revisit in 6 months +20:13 <@quantumsummers> +1 +20:13 <@robbat2|na> 1 no, 3 later, 1 abstain +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we have a later decison... Add to Novembers agenda +20:14 <@quantumsummers> I'll add that to the todo, just in case, revisit in 6 months +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Treasuers Report ... from the AGM +20:15 <@tsunam> not prepared as I thought it was next weekend :( +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, post it to the alias by next weekend please - we can discuss and vote on it there +20:16 <@tsunam> *nods* +20:16 <@tsunam> will do +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Cafepress Revenue ? is that the same ? +20:16 <@tsunam> still the same +20:17 <@tsunam> have not talked to anyone about those revenue's +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, and Updating Registration in NM ? +20:17 <@tsunam> will get that done next week +20:17 -!- Ronis_BR [~quassel@201-74-131-55-sj.cpe.vivax.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] +20:17 <@tsunam> then file the annual beginning of july +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, you have a busy week :) +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam yep +20:17 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: typically that's work that does that +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Update +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, :) +20:19 <@quantumsummers> so, there are a few things I need from you guys to file. There are a couple of tasks on docs too. Once that is done & the budget is approved we file. +20:19 <@quantumsummers> I've added them all to the todo +20:19 <@quantumsummers> remove the foundation stuff referencing 501c6 and dev rewards +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, OK, I need to read the TODO then +20:19 <@quantumsummers> short paragraph detailing time table of events for foundation, in terms of what went wrong with previous mis-management, etc -- for sflc-Karen +20:19 <@quantumsummers> Board Member Bios employment, schools, experience with NFPs, avg. hours per week worked on Gentoo see http://www.softwarefreedom.org/about/team/ for an example +20:20 <@quantumsummers> this last one is something that tsunam & robbat2|na can work on: summary financials for past 3 years, if possible for entire history +20:20 <@quantumsummers> though I will note that I have most of the history, from tsunam +20:21 <@tsunam> we have funding history from the 3rd quarter of 2005..earliest we can do +20:21 <@quantumsummers> yep +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, even for before 2008 ? +20:21 <@robbat2|na> by summary, you mean final summary, or what level of breakouts? +20:21 <@quantumsummers> this will be a very simple report +20:22 <@quantumsummers> we have small income from a few sources, we have expeditures +20:22 <@quantumsummers> nothing fancy. I can help +20:22 <@quantumsummers> I have examples +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> that will help +20:23 <@quantumsummers> it would be handy to have a centralized accounting of the files we have pertaining to this specifically +20:23 <@tsunam> *nods* +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) ... if you are done with SFLC +20:23 <@quantumsummers> not done. sflc will explain the situation, which will be aided by one of our tasks +20:24 <@quantumsummers> this one >> short paragraph detailing time table of events for foundation, in terms of what went wrong with previous mis-management, etc -- for sflc-Karen +20:24 <@quantumsummers> so we make our case to the feds, and bada bing we're a charity +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'll do that - it looks like everyone else is busy ... when do you need it for ? +20:25 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that would be great. as soon as you can manage +20:25 <@quantumsummers> 3 or 4 weeks ok? +20:26 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, where is the TODO list ? +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I better set an example ... I'll aim for next Sat/Sun +20:26 <@quantumsummers> if we can just get a draft started we can all pitch in a bit I think +20:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: thank you sir. look forward to reading +20:26 <@quantumsummers> dabbott its on coalesce +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if its too long, you can edit it down +20:27 <@quantumsummers> not me!! +20:27 <@quantumsummers> this will go to sflc +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> or Karen .. +20:27 <@quantumsummers> she wants to have a basis in historical fact to aid the argument +20:27 <@tsunam> *nods* +20:27 <@tsunam> makes sense +20:27 <@quantumsummers> so it doesn't need to be perfect prose +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I understand. +20:28 * quantumsummers needs to go afk for 3 mins +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> OK CPA quotes +20:28 <@tsunam> she really needs the history to form a cohesive argument in otherwords +20:28 <@quantumsummers> sorry, wife, roasting chicken... +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, Rotating Sidebar can you do a status update while quantumsummers is afk ? +20:29 <@robbat2|na> hopefully going live this coming week +20:29 <@robbat2|na> on one of the new atoms +20:29 <@tsunam> I've got another 15-20 minutes or so (looking at a house at 1) +20:29 <@tsunam> robbat2|na: good news =) +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> is it on a test box somewhere ? +20:30 <@robbat2|na> not accessible atm +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Cash Sponsors Policy - no change. quantumsummers was going to run it by SFLC +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott Larry The Cow Graphics Contest +20:31 -!- quantumsummers|c [~msummers@173-22-132-8.client.mchsi.com] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:31 <@dabbott> Waiting on Gentoo Store outcome +20:31 <@quantumsummers> its going to be a bit longer than 3 mins, +20:31 <@quantumsummers> can you guys skip the cpa & come back to it +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, whats the issue with the Store ? +20:31 <@quantumsummers> I'll read along on > +20:31 < quantumsummers|c> this box +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we already did +20:32 < quantumsummers|c> kk +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 285520 +20:34 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285520 "Copyright year in file headers should be updated when file is edited."; Portage Development, Repoman; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:dev-portage@g.o +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> it looks like this bug needs to be reassiged to a group than can fix it +20:35 <@robbat2|na> we dealt with that one already +20:35 <@robbat2|na> see the last comment on it +20:35 <@robbat2|na> per a prior meeting +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Should it be closed ? +20:36 <@robbat2|na> no, because echangelog still isn't changing the stuff in files/ yet +20:36 <@robbat2|na> but it just needs somebody to update echangelog +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> who is that somebody ? +20:36 <@robbat2|na> dev-portage team maintains gentoolkit* +20:36 <@robbat2|na> and thus echangelog +20:37 <@robbat2|na> I say we just take trustees off the CC +20:37 <@robbat2|na> and leave it to be implemented +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't see them on the bug - am I missing something ? +20:37 <@robbat2|na> it's on the CC list +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll take us off the CC: +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> errr ... I can't buzie won't let me log in +20:39 <@robbat2|na> i'll do it +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> ta +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 293657 +20:40 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293657 "domains gentoo.cc"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; jodok@batlogg.com:infra-bugs@g.o +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> looks like that done too +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 33740 +20:41 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; NEW; bugs-gentoo@kotiaho.net:trustees@g.o +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we run that past SFLC ? It won't get fixed until we move to phpbb 3 anyway] +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 285549 +20:42 <@robbat2|na> i think we can just turn off the COPPA option entirely +20:42 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o +20:43 <@robbat2|na> that was waiting for legal input +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na does Canada have a COPPA equivelent ? +20:43 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, none +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, did 285549 get to SFLC ? +20:44 <@robbat2|na> i don't know, that's quantumsummers territory +20:44 <@robbat2|na> but my comment there was after a prior meeting +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 296766 +20:45 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, is this next weekend ? +20:45 <@tsunam> yes +20:46 <@tsunam> I'll confirm everyone's information next week as well +20:46 <@tsunam> so look for that email +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, OK +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 302542 +20:46 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302542 "domain gentoo.org.il"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; spatz@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:46 <@tsunam> <--is now out sorry guys :(. I'll review the rest of the logs when I get back later this afternoon +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want to collect and maintain domains like this ? +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, have fun looking at houses +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, dabbott ^^ +20:48 <@dabbott> its up to infra, I see no need for it +20:48 <@robbat2|na> that's really something that we need to come up with a policy on +20:48 <@robbat2|na> because it's a mishmash +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we need to fund an ever increasing set of registrations +20:49 <@robbat2|na> as trustees, we've previously approved domains, as long as they didn't require crazy costs +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm not keen to take on that commitment if we will not use the domains +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, why ? +20:49 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, i'm just saying what's been done before +20:50 <@robbat2|na> not that I agree with it, but I see the question coming up more and more +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> If we have a use, or potential use ... no problem but we should drop domains we will not use +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want a vote on the list ? +20:51 <@robbat2|na> probably wise +20:51 <@robbat2|na> ask for use cases as well +20:51 <@dabbott> do we need a form, and then take a vote once the form is submitted +20:51 <@robbat2|na> because the only one I know of is redirecting to a specific language variant of the website +20:52 * NeddySeagoon Actioned to propose motion on the list +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 304853 +20:53 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; NEW; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, how about a post on the forums to try to get users interested ? +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> in the graphics ... +20:54 <@dabbott> we will need to get control of the store as musikc is retiring afaik +20:54 <@dabbott> I wanted to add the winning graphics to the store +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you don't have the passwords ? +20:54 <@dabbott> no +20:54 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, we didn't get an answer re COPPA above, I just noted that Canada doesn't have any COPPA-like laws +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, musikc is on OFTC +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, we need quantumsummers to tell us if its got to the SFLC +20:55 * quantumsummers|c is back, sorry +20:56 < quantumsummers|c> the ir channel? +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, did the COPPA bug get to the SFLC ? +20:56 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, could you talk to her I really don't know her that well +20:56 < quantumsummers|c> I thnk so +20:56 <@robbat2|na> -ir channel and is COPPA needed? +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sure +20:56 < quantumsummers|c> I emailed +20:57 < quantumsummers|c> haven'theard back about those, will follow uo on mon +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +20:57 < quantumsummers|c> sorry for dropping that one (two) +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 296492 +20:57 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, you volunteered :) +20:58 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, refresh your list +20:58 <@robbat2|na> i just updated the whiteboard on everything we've talked about here +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, ok ... thats all the bugs +20:59 <@robbat2|na> no, you missed locked bug 291404 +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, I can't see it, as I can't get logged in +21:00 <@dabbott> I have not seen him around lately +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 291404 +21:00 <@robbat2|na> it's locked. willikins will not divulge it +21:00 <@robbat2|na> I think we can probably close it for now +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +21:00 <@robbat2|na> unless userrel has any further for it +21:00 <@robbat2|na> i'll just ask them to CC us again if they need us +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) ... back to your stuff +21:01 <@quantumsummers> ok. +21:02 <@quantumsummers> heard back from the cpa recommended by sclf, was more than the quote from local by 400-500 +21:02 <@quantumsummers> way to oexpensive +21:02 <@quantumsummers> its like these peeps think we are huge or something +21:02 <@quantumsummers> either that or its just fscking expensive +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> yep ... did you explain our size to the SLFC peeps ? +21:03 <@quantumsummers> now. I do know we can get filing assistance for ~$1000 per year +21:03 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes. its paypal that messes with things. they appears to base things on the number of transactions +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - and we get spam transactions. Lets stick with local then +21:04 <@quantumsummers> In general, and if we can produce our own quarterlys, we should be ok without full cpa support +21:04 <@quantumsummers> just use one for filing +21:05 <@quantumsummers> if we make <$25K/year we just have to send in a post card +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we do our own quarterlys ? +21:05 <@quantumsummers> Yes, tsunam already produces them. +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds like it will do for a year or two +21:06 <@robbat2|na> I think we need to get better at producing them, but that should be good +21:06 <@quantumsummers> just might need a few tweaks, and we need to archive the raw data +21:06 * robbat2|na has an idea in that regard, but not enough time +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a motion on the CPA to engage right now ? +21:06 <@robbat2|na> archive and make sure we keep accurate totals +21:07 <@quantumsummers> yes +21:07 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I do not think so +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, we can keep it in the agenda +21:07 <@quantumsummers> I would like more time to find better support. Fall back to local in the event of needing more assistance +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok. Don't pay for it out of your own funds though +21:08 <@dabbott> or a community member that can help out +21:08 <@quantumsummers> community member would be great +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that would be good +21:09 <@dabbott> we need a better way of asking for help +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we get a help wanted on the front page ? +21:09 <@quantumsummers> suspect that is possible +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, as you are in PR, can you look at the ^^ +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> that* +21:10 <@dabbott> sure quantumsummers do you want to come up with something I can xml it etc +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, 501(c)(3) registration status +21:10 <@quantumsummers> I already talked about 501c3 earlier. the tasks, etc +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok +21:11 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, do you want the bios mailed to you +21:11 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: hmm, sure +21:11 <@quantumsummers> dabbott that will be fine +21:11 <@quantumsummers> or just put it in the todo +21:11 <@dabbott> ok +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> We should do most of this stuff in email ... meetings are already too long. Then just bring them here to air decisons +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> do we want to move this stuff to mail now ? +21:13 <@quantumsummers> Item 7 I think we should decide now +21:14 <@quantumsummers> the rest is fine over mail +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, dabbott ^^ +21:14 <@dabbott> New Business is fine by email +21:14 <@robbat2|na> i think all of 5 we can do pretty quick, i'll give a run through them quickly here if there are no objections +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, on you go +21:15 <@robbat2|na> 1. amazon referral fees: nice idea, but we have nowhere to put it in Gentoo, not without modifying upstream code +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> thats out then +21:15 <@dabbott> +1 +21:16 <@robbat2|na> 2. education request for US forces: ship a drive with snapshots and all the distfiles for those snapshots +21:16 <@quantumsummers> I have recommended a path for this +21:16 <@robbat2|na> 3. Special Project Support/Equipment Request: I think it might need some editing, but +1 on the idea +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> It doesn't matter that its for US forces. Its a bandwidth impoverished user group +21:17 <@quantumsummers> I like the idea of doing things like this +21:17 <@robbat2|na> 4. Donation Thank You Email: +10 on the idea, but move to list for related discussion of sponsor acknowledgement +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +21:17 <@robbat2|na> 5. Increase Foundation Involvement: move to list +21:18 <@robbat2|na> 6. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA): open a bug, forward to legal +21:18 <@dabbott> I can do Donation Thank You Emails +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, we have a snail mail address +21:18 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, open it on the mailing list, I've got a related discussion, but it's NOT short +21:18 <@dabbott> ok +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, is that it ? +21:20 <@robbat2|na> that's all of it +21:20 -!- quantumsummers|c [~msummers@173-22-132-8.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] +21:20 <@robbat2|na> from new business anyway +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> 6. Membership Applications none +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> 7. Advertising Requests +21:20 <@quantumsummers> Motion: deny request +21:20 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers, for #2/bandwidth-improvished groups, maybe put your idea/path on the list too +21:20 <@robbat2|na> seconded +21:20 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: ok +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Pokerlistings.com ... +21:21 <@quantumsummers> I vote no to pokerlistings +21:21 <@dabbott> no also +21:21 <@robbat2|na> vote: denied, unless they can show that they use Gentoo in a significent way +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Does not meet the 'large users' qualification. +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote no +21:21 <@dabbott> robbat2|na, said I missed 2 items +21:22 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, ah, right, one sec, after this vote +21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> we have 4 Nos ... moion to deny carried +21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> motion* +21:23 <@robbat2|na> ok, the two missing items: +21:23 <@robbat2|na> 1. may 4th mail forwarded from pr@, about sponsorship from webhosting search +21:23 <@robbat2|na> I think we should see what they are offering, hardware or cash +21:23 <@robbat2|na> and proceed as before from there +21:24 <@robbat2|na> i'll take that mail +21:24 <@quantumsummers> +1 +21:24 <@dabbott> +1 +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> +1 +21:24 <@robbat2|na> 2. mail from openclothes.org re logo usage on merchandise +21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> geoip openclothes.org +21:25 <@quantumsummers> We need to know if they are legit first. Then, if they are its a neat idea to consider +21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> we need to know where they are too +21:26 <@robbat2|na> ok, who wants to talk to them? somebody who did previous merchandise stuff? +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Created On:06-Aug-2007 01:13:03 UTC +21:26 <@quantumsummers> my plate is a tad full atm ... +21:27 <@dabbott> robbat2|na, forward me the email i will talk to them +21:27 <@quantumsummers> thank you dabbott +21:27 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, it was sent to trustees@ on may 13th +21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks dabbott +21:27 <@robbat2|na> Message-ID: <AANLkTilat0gccMPNgwxbDRtBbB1t_jdziEpkjTq_Tjd5@mail.gmail.com> +21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 1 Date of Next Meeting - 20th Jun 2010 19:00 UTC .. +21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats the 3rd Sunday in June tsunam +21:28 <@quantumsummers> dabbott, please ask them to show their irs status +21:28 <@quantumsummers> we need to validate them completely +21:29 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, +1, i'll be here +21:29 <@quantumsummers> if they have a temporary letter of 501c3 status from the IRS, we can consider things +21:29 <@quantumsummers> +1 on the next meeting date +21:29 <@dabbott> next meeting date is fine here +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... +21:30 <@robbat2|na> none +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> None from me +21:30 <@dabbott> nooone here +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +21:30 <@quantumsummers> none, save to say, please check the todo list so we can get those last few items knocked out +21:30 <@robbat2|na> remind us via email please? +21:31 <@dabbott> https://www.icoalesce.com/projects/gentoo/ +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +21:31 <@robbat2|na> or IRC, relentlessly ;-) +21:31 <@quantumsummers> ok +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 10 Responsibilities +21:31 <@quantumsummers> summary financials for past 3 years, if possible for entire history +21:31 <@quantumsummers> remove the foundation stuff referencing 501c6 and dev rewards +21:31 <@quantumsummers> short paragraph detailing time table of events for foundation, in terms of what went wrong with previous mis-management, etc -- for sflc-Karen +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log +21:31 <@dabbott> I will do the motions +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I think you also offered the only email too +21:32 <@robbat2|na> afk for 5, door +21:32 <@dabbott> yep +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 Open Floor +21:33 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, can you add the link to the log http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes/2010/index.xml +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep +21:34 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel and declares the meeting closed diff --git a/2010/20100620_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100620_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..af2b66f --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100620_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,386 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to call the meeting to order +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm here and logging - roll call +20:00 < tsunam> here +20:00 <@quantumsummers> HERE +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> openclothes, the agenda link is in /topic +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I think robbat2 is away +20:01 <@quantumsummers> YEP +20:01 <@dabbott> hi all +20:01 <@quantumsummers> whoops +20:01 < openclothes> Thank you +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum .. lets start +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 3 ... +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Request to license the Gentoo Logo +20:02 < openclothes> Have you reviewed the openclothes.org web site? +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't see why this can't happen under our standard agreements +20:03 < tsunam> i would agree NeddySeagoon +20:03 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I agree +20:04 -!- Guest77321 [~mike@c-71-192-166-249.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ^^ we are having a vote +20:04 <@quantumsummers> openclothes: is there some form of profit share that goes to gentoo foundation? +20:04 <@dabbott> I agree also with NeddySeagoon +20:05 < openclothes> The purpose is to provide a means of donations to the recipient of your choice. +20:05 < openclothes> The Gentoo Foundation or the Free Software Foundation would be expected. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> openclothes, make us an offer of a percentage to trustees at gentoo dot org We can do the rest by email You have our agreement subject to sorting out the odds and ends +20:06 < openclothes> Thank you +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Treasuers Report help over the AGM in April +20:07 < Guest77321> Hello Trustees - David, Roy, Joshua, Robin, Matthew -- I'm Mike, the guy who inquired regarding "Bookeeper, Accountant, or CPA" +20:07 < tsunam> I have it complete but I'd like to review it once more before I forward it to the trustee's alias for approval +20:07 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: Hi Mike. +20:07 < Guest77321> Just stopping by to introduce myself as David Abbott suggested +20:07 <@dabbott> Hi Mike +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Guest77321, welcome Mike +20:07 < tsunam> It's been a little while since I last looked at it +20:07 < tsunam> Guest77321: hi mike +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, can someone help with the review ? +20:08 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: Mike, you will be receiving an email from me in the next day or two. +20:08 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: it'd be as easy to have everyone review it +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, send it to the alias for review then +20:08 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: will do +20:08 < Guest77321> quantumsummers: very good, will be on the lookout. +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Cafepress Revenue ... is that split out in the report ? +20:09 < tsunam> it's not been accounted for in the report as I've not transfered the money to our bank accounts, nor have I logged in. +20:09 < tsunam> have not talked to christina about the account +20:10 <@quantumsummers> we need to get that taken care of. +20:10 < tsunam> yes we do +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, she was going to pass on access details. We need to know, as its important to keep mony in the right FY +20:10 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: can you give dabbott her phone# or do you prefer to handle things/ +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> money* +20:10 <@quantumsummers> ? +20:10 < tsunam> quantumsummers: I'm writing an email to her now +20:11 <@quantumsummers> ok, thanks +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Updating Registration in NM. It was still out of date on the web when I checked this morning +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> (I needed the link for my new employer) +20:12 <@quantumsummers> its due July 1 I think +20:12 <@quantumsummers> we have the form, tsunam & i +20:12 < tsunam> quantumsummers: july 31st +20:12 <@quantumsummers> FROM mR cHEW +20:12 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: ah, even better +20:12 < tsunam> its due 30 days after the end of the fiscal year +20:12 * quantumsummers notes that +20:12 < tsunam> but yes mr chew sent us the document mostly filled out +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> is it going to be on time ? +20:12 <@quantumsummers> yse +20:12 < tsunam> yep +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> thats the right answer! +20:13 < tsunam> as always there will be a 10 dollar filing fee +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Update +20:13 < tsunam> so for that annual which we can't make changes, then a second for the changes. Be 20 total +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I suppose Mr Chew will have a fee too +20:13 < tsunam> actually no, and if he does...we can file directly +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Not even a retainer ? +20:14 < tsunam> nope, it actually should be part of being the RA +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Update +20:15 <@quantumsummers> sflc has been unreachable for 6 weeks now. I have no idea why, so I suspect I need to email or call the manager we talked with at the start +20:16 <@quantumsummers> regardless, I have some input from lawyer colleagues on the cash sponsors policy +20:16 < tsunam> that's a bit concerning +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yeah thats a pretty long vacation by US standards +20:16 <@quantumsummers> yes it is +20:16 <@quantumsummers> not sure where karen is. +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we'll get the cash sponsors stuff in a minute +20:17 <@quantumsummers> she does not return emails or voicemail as of today +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, gibe the manager a call or email next week then +20:17 <@quantumsummers> planning on it +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Accountant Ad Response. +20:18 <@quantumsummers> ok. so talked with Josh about this. and have a nice plan +20:18 < tsunam> well hopefully a nice plan =) +20:18 <@quantumsummers> main things remaining are budgets for 1,3,5, years +20:18 <@quantumsummers> yes, we have hope :D +20:18 < tsunam> which quantumsummers has an idea about as well +20:19 <@quantumsummers> yes. I will email all details most likely tomorrow +20:19 <@quantumsummers> baisc idea is 1,3,5 year budgets for 3 income senarios +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds like a lot of work for an Inc our size +20:20 <@quantumsummers> it would be helpful if anyone has an idea for a budgeted program, now would be the time to mention it (or reply to the email) +20:21 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: there are few budget items at this time, so there is a lot of room for creativity +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like us to find jobs for all the applicants. We are all volunteers and there is plenty to do +20:22 <@quantumsummers> also, we need some revenue forecasts +20:22 <@quantumsummers> the plan is to split the work amongst the new volunteers +20:22 < Guest77321> quantumsummers: when you say "budgeted program" do you mean software for budgeting? +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> we can extrapolate from the past for a lower limit +20:23 -!- openclothes [~quassel@75-145-118-233-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] +20:23 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: no, I meant a program in the sense of an activity of the foundation +20:23 < Guest77321> quantumsummers: k, understand +20:24 <@quantumsummers> there are 6 respondants to our solicitation for assistance +20:24 <@quantumsummers> that is plenty to accomplish what we need and then some, even with only one hour each per week +20:25 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: is the mail alias set up? +20:25 <@quantumsummers> we also, as discussed with tsunam, need to prepare a nice formal financial history report +20:25 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: yes it is, we are all (trustees) on it +20:26 <@quantumsummers> we'll get the volunteers that accept the mission on there next week +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we need to get the 6 respondends on it too. With their permission of course +20:27 <@quantumsummers> yes, the email will explain thngs +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how far back does the history need to go ? +20:27 <@quantumsummers> 3 years min +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I would like to see back to 04, but that may be tough +20:27 < tsunam> which luckily we have in our quarterly reports , but will still take effort to make into a report +20:27 <@quantumsummers> yep +20:27 <@quantumsummers> 3 years is good +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Hmm - that could be a struggle. We didn't get much history when we took over in 2008 +20:28 < tsunam> financials were a bit better +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:28 < tsunam> as corey kept the finances better then the rest +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Can this topic be completed on the ml ? +20:28 < tsunam> however anything before/related to before mid 04 is a miss +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, thats when the foundation was created +20:28 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, moving on +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, 501(c)(3) registration status +20:29 <@quantumsummers> 501c3 is basically the same as last time given sflc absense +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> welocme to the team Guest77321 +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, TODO List Progress +20:30 < Guest77321> NeddySeagoon: thx +20:30 <@quantumsummers> I am not sure if this refers to things on hte todo list or whether its up or ....? +20:31 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ? +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I think it was gettin gthe TODO list into the web app +20:31 <@dabbott> this is the todo list on the web app +20:32 <@dabbott> is everything completed? +20:32 <@quantumsummers> ok, we have received the paragraph from neddy +20:32 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon, well written piece +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +20:32 <@quantumsummers> still need bio from tsunam, dabbott, & robbat2|na +20:32 <@quantumsummers> have an old one for NeddySeagoon, and mine +20:33 * quantumsummers updates the TODO +20:33 <@dabbott> mine should be thier +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Mine hasn't changed much +20:33 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: yes, I see uit +20:33 <@quantumsummers> sorry ... +20:33 < tsunam> I'll need to do mine, when we talk this week quantumsummers remind me +20:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: feel free to modify, I can wait a it +20:33 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: no prob +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, it should be in your CV +20:34 <@quantumsummers> stilll need to remove the c6 stuff from the site +20:34 <@quantumsummers> dcma is same again due to sflc. +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, Rotating Sidebar ... I know its close. We'll carry this over to the next meeting +20:34 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: I lost the link to the web app again +20:35 <@quantumsummers> I can start of the changes for the c6 part +20:35 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: https://www.icoalesce.com +20:35 <@dabbott> ok thanks :) +20:35 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I can speak about the sidebar a bit +20:35 <@quantumsummers> its up for testing, and working as expected +20:36 <@quantumsummers> I bet it will be fully implemented in <30days +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +20:36 <@quantumsummers> my pleasure +20:36 * NeddySeagoon Cash Sponsors Policy ... quantumsummers you have some legal feedback ? +20:37 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes. for the moment it is sufficient. We will need to make some slight changes (clarifications) when we receive our new irs status +20:37 <@quantumsummers> main thing is the language gives us full discretion +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, so I can put it into foundation webspace as is ? +20:38 <@quantumsummers> yes. +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that was the idea of a policy +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, I'll do that +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott ... Larry The Cow Graphics Contest +20:39 <@dabbott> Currently doing the screenshot contest when that is done start it +20:39 <@dabbott> the store should be sorted by then +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sounds good - we don't want to split the artistic talent +20:39 <@quantumsummers> :) +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Education Support Request ... Sergeant First Class Stephen M. Vogler II This has gone quiet. +20:40 < tsunam> that it has +20:40 <@dabbott> do we need a motion for the Cash Sponsors Policy +20:40 <@quantumsummers> this would be contingent on the next piece +20:41 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: sure. +20:41 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I think we should close the issue with the request as there's been no further request for an update +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Sounds good to me +20:41 <@quantumsummers> @trustees: motion: approve cash sponsor policy from NeddySeagoon +20:41 <@dabbott> I third +20:42 <@dabbott> yes +20:42 < tsunam> yes +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote yes +20:42 <@quantumsummers> carried +20:42 <@quantumsummers> (yes from me) +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to close the Education Support Request +20:42 <@quantumsummers> on closing the support request, I think we should email the guy if we approve this item +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +20:43 < tsunam> that would be the appropriate thing to do +20:43 <@quantumsummers> I second the motion +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to close the Education Support Request with an email stating approval +20:43 <@dabbott> yes +20:43 < tsunam> yes for closing +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +20:43 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:43 <@quantumsummers> carried +20:43 <@dabbott> who will send the mail? +20:44 <@quantumsummers> I can +20:44 <@dabbott> thanks +20:44 <@quantumsummers> np +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Special Project Support/Equipment Request this is the process I think +20:44 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:45 <@quantumsummers> I think this is fairly complete, as a framework for accepting requests +20:45 <@quantumsummers> the basic policy is standard across many orgs. (My wife helped write it & she does this stuff for a livig) +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm sure I emailed a few comments not long after your posted to the alias ... did you get them ? +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> There was nothing major +20:47 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I will have to look. +20:47 <@quantumsummers> I went out of country for a while, sorry if I missed things +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I think they are in ... local currency was one +20:48 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I can review & re-post for comments. +20:48 * NeddySeagoon proposes a motion to adopt Funding Request Policies -- DRAFT as a formal document. +20:48 <@quantumsummers> we could take this to the alias for final +20:49 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: I can guide xml it +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> lets use it and fine tue it if there are bugs +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> tune* +20:49 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: please, if you have time. Thanks!! +20:49 <@dabbott> np +20:49 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: ok by me +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> is there a seconder ? +20:49 <@dabbott> we can do the rest by mail and vote next month +20:50 <@dabbott> seconded +20:50 <@quantumsummers> aye from me +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you want us to vote on the guidexml version ? +20:50 <@dabbott> I quess when we want to make it official +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, OK ... motion withdrawn +20:50 <@quantumsummers> I think we want to make it official now +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs +20:51 <@dabbott> yes make it official now +20:51 <@quantumsummers> ok, the motion has been seconded. +20:51 <@quantumsummers> please vote +20:51 <@dabbott> yes +20:51 <@quantumsummers> aye from me +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +20:51 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: ? +20:51 < tsunam> aye +20:51 <@quantumsummers> carried +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I with draw the withdrawal :) +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs +20:52 <@quantumsummers> lolz +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740 +20:52 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; ASSI; bugs-gentoo@kotiaho.net:trustees@g.o +20:52 <@quantumsummers> a fax might be tricky +20:52 <@quantumsummers> unless we have infra setup hylafax or soething +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it has to be Wane Chews fax +20:53 <@quantumsummers> solid +20:53 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: is that in the doc we got? +20:53 * quantumsummers looks +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, robbat2 says we don't need COPPA as the forums are in Canada. Its not going to get fixed until we get to phpbb3 anyway +20:54 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: kk +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can you run it by SFLC please +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 208353 +20:55 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/208353 "retire: Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)"; Gentoo Developers/Staff, Retirement; NEW; g2boojum@g.o:retirement@g.o +20:55 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats new - we should email Grant +20:56 <@quantumsummers> retirement for inactivity for 2+ years +20:56 < tsunam> yep that is new +20:56 <@quantumsummers> saw that come across several weeks back +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549 +20:56 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o +20:57 <@quantumsummers> sflc has been asked +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, another one for legal +20:57 <@quantumsummers> no reply +20:57 <@quantumsummers> yep, will ping 'em hard next week +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766 +20:57 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:57 <@quantumsummers> in progress +20:57 <@quantumsummers> going well +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to vote on paying the fees ? +20:58 <@quantumsummers> we can, but its moot, we are required to pay +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> lets not set a time wasting precedent then +20:59 <@quantumsummers> +1 +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 302542 +20:59 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302542 "domain gentoo.org.il"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; spatz@g.o:trustees@g.o +20:59 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Do not purchase additional domin, and close bug as WONTFIX or whatever +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> My view is that we don't want to collect domain names we will never use +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Seconded +21:00 <@quantumsummers> Vote: +21:00 < tsunam> yes +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +21:00 <@quantumsummers> aye +21:00 <@dabbott> yes +21:00 <@quantumsummers> carried +21:00 <@quantumsummers> can someone with access update the bug or I can later? +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we set that as a policy too ? +21:00 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we sure can +21:01 <@dabbott> we may want to ask robbat2|na he may have some input, I can add it to the agenda +21:01 <@quantumsummers> Domain Acquisition Policy: We have plenty at this point, no more unless sufficient reason can be demonstrated. Subject to trustees discrestion +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I've put the motion in the bug and closed it +21:02 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: thanks +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sounds good +21:02 <@dabbott> yep +21:02 <@quantumsummers> I bet I could make that one sentence +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853 +21:02 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; ASSI; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o +21:03 <@dabbott> in the works :) +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats waiting on the artwork contest +21:03 <@quantumsummers> that one needs updating with the new info dabbott, for those following the bug +21:03 <@dabbott> ok will do +21:03 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: any eta for the new contest? +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +21:03 <@dabbott> when we have access to the store +21:04 <@quantumsummers> Motion: approve jlec (Justin Lecher) as foundation member +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops - I've skipped 5 ... we willcome back to 5 +21:04 <@quantumsummers> he is a dev +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +21:04 <@quantumsummers> Voter: +21:04 < tsunam> yes +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +21:04 <@dabbott> yes +21:04 <@quantumsummers> aye +21:04 <@quantumsummers> carried +21:05 <@quantumsummers> I will email Justin to good news +21:05 <@quantumsummers> *the +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll send he email as he has been writing to me +21:05 <@quantumsummers> ah, very good +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business - Request to use Gentoo tango icon +21:06 <@dabbott> The icon was done on the Gnome Tango mail kist for use by Gentoo +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to make this happen without making our logo public domain +21:06 <@dabbott> s/kist/list +21:07 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: what is the license on the icon set? +21:07 <@dabbott> none that I know of +21:07 < Guest77321> Thanks for the welcome, everyone. I'll keep an eye on my Inbox. Bye for now. +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> bye for now Mike +21:08 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: thank you! we'll talk soon +21:08 <@dabbott> by Mike, thanks for stopping by +21:08 < tsunam> by mike +21:08 < tsunam> bye* +21:08 <@dabbott> lol +21:08 <@quantumsummers> the lic for tngo is public domain +21:08 -!- Guest77321 [~mike@c-71-192-166-249.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] +21:08 <@quantumsummers> check your tree +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we can't do public domain +21:09 <@quantumsummers> x11-themes/tango-icon-theme +21:09 < tsunam> that's true +21:09 <@quantumsummers> what we could do is make an ebuild with our own lic that installs our logo icon +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe one of the more restrictive creative commons +21:09 <@quantumsummers> by attribution non-commercial +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats worth a look ... writing a lic is non trivial ... we don't want to go there +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, looks like one for legal +21:11 <@quantumsummers> we use the CC-by attrib-non-commercial +21:11 <@quantumsummers> will ask legal +21:11 <@dabbott> He wanted to use it for the start-here icon +21:11 <@quantumsummers> yes, great idea +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +21:12 <@quantumsummers> the tango ebuild will need a slight mod +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Its a good idea but we must protect our make too +21:12 <@dabbott> I am using our logo and it looks fine, it is so small you can not really tell the difference +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> mark* not make +21:12 * quantumsummers uses the G for my kde launcher icon too +21:12 <@quantumsummers> hand installed though +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Advertising Requests ... there are none +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 18th Jul 2010 19:00 UTC +21:13 <@dabbott> fine here +21:13 <@quantumsummers> good for me too +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +21:14 <@quantumsummers> none from me +21:14 <@dabbott> yes +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> none from me +21:15 <@dabbott> would an ad for an attorney be something we would want to do? +21:15 <@quantumsummers> not yet please +21:15 <@quantumsummers> if we continue to have issues with sflc, then yet +21:15 <@quantumsummers> *yes +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +21:15 <@dabbott> ok +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ? AoB +21:15 < tsunam> none from me +21:16 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: any for you? +21:16 < tsunam> other then to say happy fathers day to all the fathers +21:16 <@quantumsummers> I second that pronouncement! +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 10 Responsibilities +21:16 <@dabbott> I will do the motions +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write to our new member +21:17 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: will you be updating the motions +21:17 <@quantumsummers> ? +21:17 <@dabbott> yep +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 Open Floor +21:17 <@quantumsummers> many thanksw +21:18 <@quantumsummers> anyone for open floor? +21:18 * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed diff --git a/2010/20100718_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100718_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6107e03 --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100718_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,229 @@ +Jul 18 15:00:51 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to call the meeting to order ... roll call +Jul 18 15:01:11 <tsunam> here +Jul 18 15:01:15 <_robbat2|irssi> on an htc dream, in a noisy coffeeshop in ottawa :-) +Jul 18 15:01:22 <dabbott> here +Jul 18 15:01:39 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ? +Jul 18 15:01:54 <_robbat2|irssi> dns seems borked badly, so i've got ssh, but no web access +Jul 18 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> Lets start - we have a quorum +Jul 18 15:02:08 <tsunam> _robbat2|irssi: its something +Jul 18 15:02:30 <NeddySeagoon> my logger isn't here, so I'm not logging today +Jul 18 15:02:42 <tsunam> mine is +Jul 18 15:02:55 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, can you post the log then please +Jul 18 15:02:57 <dabbott> I should be also +Jul 18 15:03:12 <tsunam> if dabbott needs it I'll forward it to the alias +Jul 18 15:03:23 <_robbat2|irssi> fyi, i have to leave in 45mins to get my flight +Jul 18 15:03:28 <NeddySeagoon> Item 3 tsunam ... Treasuers Report +Jul 18 15:03:50 <tsunam> I'd posted it to the group, roy you had some concern's but I didn't really hear anything else from anyone +Jul 18 15:04:08 <tsunam> this was similar to last years report if I recall +Jul 18 15:04:20 <dabbott> I put it here http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2010-treasurer-report.xml +Jul 18 15:05:15 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, probably because I'm English and expected to see a balance sheet but if everyone else is happy, I'm happy too +Jul 18 15:06:03 <_robbat2|irssi> i can't check the link atm, so i'll go w/ the majority +Jul 18 15:06:20 <dabbott> motion to accept +Jul 18 15:06:31 * NeddySeagoon waits for someone to propose a motion to adopt the treasuers report +Jul 18 15:06:37 <NeddySeagoon> seconded +Jul 18 15:06:42 <tsunam> aye +Jul 18 15:06:47 <NeddySeagoon> aye +Jul 18 15:06:56 <dabbott> yes +Jul 18 15:07:04 <_robbat2|irssi> aye per majority +Jul 18 15:07:11 <NeddySeagoon> motion carried +Jul 18 15:07:19 <NeddySeagoon> thanks tsunam +Jul 18 15:07:39 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Cafepress Revenue +Jul 18 15:08:10 <tsunam> I've changed the cafepress stuff to send checks to me now, however I need to contact cafepress about previous checks that went to grant +Jul 18 15:08:12 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Good link. I get the .co.uk site, so I may buy stuff there +Jul 18 15:08:31 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, maybe contact grant too +Jul 18 15:08:40 <tsunam> I should +Jul 18 15:08:44 <tsunam> and will do that +Jul 18 15:09:00 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Jul 18 15:09:02 <tsunam> currently the checks (only real option) will come to my address that I'll then deposit +Jul 18 15:09:41 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, on the subject of money, what happened to our credit/debit card application ? +Jul 18 15:10:24 <tsunam> It was declined. Related to "amount of debt" to me at the time of the application. Doesn't matter that it was immediately paid off (when I bought the servers and a few other things) +Jul 18 15:10:32 <tsunam> at least that's the way it appeared +Jul 18 15:10:41 <tsunam> I've not reapplied +Jul 18 15:10:44 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ok, thanks +Jul 18 15:10:49 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Updating Registration in NM +Jul 18 15:11:10 <tsunam> annual report is due, I'll be working with quantumsummers_ this week to get it sent off +Jul 18 15:11:20 <tsunam> there's the standard 10 dollar us charge for the filing +Jul 18 15:11:36 <NeddySeagoon> that will fix our registration too ? +Jul 18 15:11:39 <tsunam> yes +Jul 18 15:11:53 <NeddySeagoon> bargin! all for $10 +Jul 18 15:12:19 <tsunam> especially as its due by the end of the month :) +Jul 18 15:12:24 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers isn't here, we will come back to his bit if he shows up +Jul 18 15:12:53 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, Rotating Sidebar +Jul 18 15:13:40 <_robbat2|irssi> it's done and live +Jul 18 15:14:13 <tsunam> nice :) +Jul 18 15:14:16 <dabbott> :) works great, have you had many comments ? +Jul 18 15:14:21 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, thanks - I'll need to look more closely +Jul 18 15:14:48 <NeddySeagoon> Request to use Gentoo tango icon ... +Jul 18 15:14:58 <_robbat2|irssi> none, just some sponsor's promosing me new/updated ads +Jul 18 15:15:20 <_robbat2|irssi> the integration is practically seamless +Jul 18 15:15:49 <NeddySeagoon> Pacho Ramos ... +Jul 18 15:15:49 <dabbott> ICON I would like to find a way to give our blessings I think it is included in x11-themes/gnome-colors-themes-5.5.1 +Jul 18 15:16:25 <_robbat2|irssi> i don't see any problems w/ it +Jul 18 15:16:33 <NeddySeagoon> We should be able to use a CC licence +Jul 18 15:16:41 <_robbat2|irssi> what license is that pkg under? +Jul 18 15:16:52 <tsunam> i believe that was the issue +Jul 18 15:17:33 <dabbott> LICENSE="GPL-2 public-domain" +Jul 18 15:17:37 <NeddySeagoon> CC attribution, no derivative works should work to protect our interests +Jul 18 15:18:02 <tsunam> hmm +Jul 18 15:18:11 <_robbat2|irssi> ah the no deriv works bites here +Jul 18 15:18:28 <tsunam> yeah +Jul 18 15:18:37 <_robbat2|irssi> as icons are exactly that +Jul 18 15:18:41 <NeddySeagoon> weirdedout, we can't have derivitive works including our mark +Jul 18 15:19:32 <NeddySeagoon> we allow the icon set ... thats fine but not further derivatives +Jul 18 15:20:16 <tsunam> the derivatives would be hard to track honestly :/ +Jul 18 15:20:59 <NeddySeagoon> Any licence is hard to track ... we cannot put our trademark in the public domain +Jul 18 15:21:06 <tsunam> *nods* +Jul 18 15:21:13 <NeddySeagoon> unless ... +Jul 18 15:21:32 <NeddySeagoon> Can we public domain images below a certain size ? +Jul 18 15:21:35 <_robbat2|irssi> i have an idea too.. +Jul 18 15:21:44 <tsunam> NeddySeagoon: that's too much of a gray area +Jul 18 15:21:49 <_robbat2|irssi> CCPL-Sampling license +Jul 18 15:22:01 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, what that ? +Jul 18 15:22:04 <tsunam> _robbat2|irssi: ccpl- sampling? +Jul 18 15:22:11 <tsunam> i'm not familar with that license +Jul 18 15:22:42 <_robbat2|irssi> blocks commercial derivatives, while allowing others as long as they are strongly transformative +Jul 18 15:23:07 <tsunam> hmm interesting +Jul 18 15:23:09 <_robbat2|irssi> It's one of the lesser known CC licenses +Jul 18 15:23:20 <NeddySeagoon> Lets take it to the list, _robbat2|irssi only has a tiny keyboard ... sounds promising +Jul 18 15:23:31 <tsunam> I'd like to read over that license before voting for such +Jul 18 15:23:37 <NeddySeagoon> me too +Jul 18 15:23:45 <NeddySeagoon> Next item +Jul 18 15:23:48 <_robbat2|irssi> yup, maybe get more input too +Jul 18 15:23:52 <_robbat2|irssi> onelast bit +Jul 18 15:23:59 <NeddySeagoon> [Tango-artists] Request for an icon +Jul 18 15:24:25 <dabbott> ^ same item +Jul 18 15:24:27 <_robbat2|irssi> if we have a list of our license constraints, i can ask a friend that works for CC org +Jul 18 15:24:42 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, sounds good +Jul 18 15:24:48 <_robbat2|irssi> /item +Jul 18 15:25:01 <NeddySeagoon> Trustee Bugs +Jul 18 15:25:18 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740 +Jul 18 15:25:20 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; ASSI; bugs-gentoo@kotiaho.net:trustees@g.o +Jul 18 15:25:37 <_robbat2|irssi> was pending legal input +Jul 18 15:25:49 <NeddySeagoon> Nothing will happen until the forums are upgraded anyway +Jul 18 15:25:53 <tsunam> *nods* +Jul 18 15:26:06 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 208353 +Jul 18 15:26:08 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/208353 "retire: Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)"; Gentoo Developers/Staff, Retirement; NEW; g2boojum@g.o:retirement@g.o +Jul 18 15:26:17 <NeddySeagoon> Why are we on this one ? +Jul 18 15:26:37 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549 +Jul 18 15:26:39 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o +Jul 18 15:26:40 <_robbat2|irssi> i don't know +Jul 18 15:26:48 <NeddySeagoon> legal input +Jul 18 15:27:14 <NeddySeagoon> I'll take us off Grants bug +Jul 18 15:27:31 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766 +Jul 18 15:27:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +Jul 18 15:27:39 <NeddySeagoon> discussed already +Jul 18 15:28:05 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853 +Jul 18 15:28:07 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; ASSI; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o +Jul 18 15:28:19 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +Jul 18 15:28:21 <tsunam> has the contest been run? +Jul 18 15:28:33 <dabbott> tsunam: do you have access to the store? I will run the contest +Jul 18 15:28:40 <tsunam> dabbott: I do +Jul 18 15:28:58 <dabbott> ok :) right after the screenshot contest ++ +Jul 18 15:29:06 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jul 18 15:29:18 <tsunam> I need to send information to the rest of the trustee's about access to the store +Jul 18 15:29:26 <_robbat2|irssi> thx +Jul 18 15:29:31 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 326701 +Jul 18 15:29:32 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/326701 "Gentoo Official Store add trustees to cafepress@gentoo.org"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o +Jul 18 15:29:54 <tsunam> I'll change that this week hopefully +Jul 18 15:30:03 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, thanks +Jul 18 15:30:10 <NeddySeagoon> thats ll the bugs +Jul 18 15:30:14 <_robbat2|irssi> assign to me in status +Jul 18 15:30:30 <_robbat2|irssi> i'll update the alias when i'm home +Jul 18 15:30:37 <_robbat2|irssi> in 10 hours +Jul 18 15:30:40 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, ok +Jul 18 15:30:59 <NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Business +Jul 18 15:31:13 <NeddySeagoon> New Sponsor Axant +Jul 18 15:31:39 <_robbat2|irssi> was that the .it or the .ru? +Jul 18 15:31:50 <NeddySeagoon> the site is in .it +Jul 18 15:32:24 <_robbat2|irssi> no objections to them from me, since there is a dev +Jul 18 15:32:35 <tsunam> *nods* +Jul 18 15:32:36 <dabbott> same here +Jul 18 15:32:53 <NeddySeagoon> As a policy statement, I'm in favour of giving coverage to companies offering paid for Gentoo support but stopping shourt of calling it offcial +Jul 18 15:33:13 <NeddySeagoon> We cannot test the quality of the support, so cannot endorse it +Jul 18 15:33:16 <tsunam> I'd concur +Jul 18 15:33:17 <_robbat2|irssi> with preference to those employing devs? +Jul 18 15:33:58 <NeddySeagoon> Well, paid support gives companies a warm fuzzy feeling +Jul 18 15:34:30 <tsunam> I'd be hesitant to suggest any preferential listing +Jul 18 15:34:42 <NeddySeagoon> maybe two catagories ... those with devs on the payrol, those without ? +Jul 18 15:35:05 <tsunam> who would maintain such a list? As people do move on to other positions +Jul 18 15:35:15 <NeddySeagoon> I don't have any strong feelings +Jul 18 15:35:30 <dabbott> We could add another chapter to the sponsors page for commercial support not endorsed +Jul 18 15:35:45 <_robbat2|irssi> below the rest, sure +Jul 18 15:35:47 <NeddySeagoon> Leave the groupings out then +Jul 18 15:36:00 <tsunam> that would be preferable to me then +Jul 18 15:36:09 <_robbat2|irssi> or would a seperate page be better? +Jul 18 15:36:10 <dabbott> yes below the rest and look to cleanup the top part +Jul 18 15:36:20 <tsunam> I think a seperate page would be better in my opinion +Jul 18 15:36:23 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, inverspath have a listing on support. I think they are the only ones +Jul 18 15:36:49 <dabbott> seperate page will work fine +Jul 18 15:36:52 <_robbat2|irssi> they used to be an infra-sponsor too +Jul 18 15:36:56 <NeddySeagoon> I prefer a new page +Jul 18 15:37:16 <tsunam> with NeddySeagoon's message that these are companies offering support for gentoo, however we don't guarentee their level's of support +Jul 18 15:37:37 <_robbat2|irssi> +1 on that warning/preface +Jul 18 15:37:39 <tsunam> bah netbook :( typing on it isn't easy :/ +Jul 18 15:38:05 <dabbott> I will put somthing together and send to the list, a new page for review +Jul 18 15:38:12 <_robbat2|irssi> hey, my kb is worse :-p +Jul 18 15:38:14 <tsunam> thank you dabbott +Jul 18 15:38:15 <_robbat2|irssi> ok +Jul 18 15:38:23 <NeddySeagoon> Summary ... new page for companies offering paid support for Gentoo with our rider that we do not underwrite the quality of support. Cavet Emptor +Jul 18 15:38:31 <_robbat2|irssi> +1 +Jul 18 15:38:55 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: thanks +Jul 18 15:39:21 <NeddySeagoon> We have the two requests .it and .ru +Jul 18 15:39:25 <_robbat2|irssi> anything more critical, t-5 min, for me +Jul 18 15:39:28 <NeddySeagoon> Will we accept both ? +Jul 18 15:39:52 <_robbat2|irssi> i want to talk to the .ru more +Jul 18 15:39:57 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jul 18 15:40:06 <NeddySeagoon> Do we accept the .it then +Jul 18 15:40:07 <tsunam> the .it I don't have an issue with accepting now +Jul 18 15:40:08 <_robbat2|irssi> the .it i've known about for a bit +Jul 18 15:40:40 <NeddySeagoon> motion to accept the .it request for isting +Jul 18 15:40:46 <dabbott> accept .it defer .ru until _robbat2|irssi checks them out :) +Jul 18 15:40:54 <dabbott> aye +Jul 18 15:41:01 <_robbat2|irssi> aye +Jul 18 15:41:01 <tsunam> aye +Jul 18 15:41:07 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, ? +Jul 18 15:41:16 <tsunam> he aready said yes :_P +Jul 18 15:41:27 <NeddySeagoon> Sorry. +Jul 18 15:41:37 <NeddySeagoon> Lets skip to membership +Jul 18 15:41:59 <NeddySeagoon> Anthony G. Basile and Maciej Mrozowski both devs +Jul 18 15:42:01 <dabbott> yes +Jul 18 15:42:03 <tsunam> aye to both +Jul 18 15:42:04 <NeddySeagoon> All in favou +Jul 18 15:42:08 <NeddySeagoon> aye +Jul 18 15:42:11 <_robbat2|irssi> aye to both +Jul 18 15:42:19 <NeddySeagoon> Carried +Jul 18 15:42:53 <NeddySeagoon> Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Request for developer certificate +Jul 18 15:43:10 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, usually does these +Jul 18 15:43:14 <_robbat2|irssi> aye, same as prior certs +Jul 18 15:43:37 <NeddySeagoon> action on quantumsummers_ then, since hes not here +Jul 18 15:43:42 <tsunam> *nods* +Jul 18 15:43:58 <NeddySeagoon> Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 15th Aug 2010 19:00 UTC +Jul 18 15:44:02 <_robbat2|irssi> t-1 for me +Jul 18 15:44:04 <tsunam> works for me +Jul 18 15:44:08 <NeddySeagoon> wfm +Jul 18 15:44:11 <dabbott> fine here +Jul 18 15:44:17 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Jul 18 15:44:20 <_robbat2|irssi> aye, i think my calendar is free +Jul 18 15:44:29 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... _robbat2|irssi ? +Jul 18 15:44:32 <_robbat2|irssi> none +Jul 18 15:44:42 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, +Jul 18 15:44:51 <_robbat2|irssi> apologies for missing the last meeting +Jul 18 15:44:52 <tsunam> no other business from me +Jul 18 15:44:59 <NeddySeagoon> nor from me +Jul 18 15:45:00 <dabbott> did you want to do the bugs on the mailing list +Jul 18 15:45:15 <_robbat2|irssi> sure +Jul 18 15:45:27 <NeddySeagoon> tsunam, will post the log +Jul 18 15:45:41 <dabbott> if something needs more attention we can add it to the agenda +Jul 18 15:45:54 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, can you do the motions please ? +Jul 18 15:46:09 <dabbott> yes, the log also while I am at it +Jul 18 15:46:12 * NeddySeagoon will write to our new members +Jul 18 15:46:21 <tsunam> dabbott: ah thanks then :) +Jul 18 15:46:26 <_robbat2|irssi> ok i'm out of here +Jul 18 15:46:32 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 11 # Open Floor +Jul 18 15:46:33 <dabbott> thanks _robbat2|irssi +Jul 18 15:46:33 <_robbat2|irssi> travel safely all +Jul 18 15:46:36 <NeddySeagoon> bye _robbat2|irssi +Jul 18 15:46:43 <tsunam> bye _robbat2|irssi have a safe flight +Jul 18 15:46:52 <_robbat2|irssi> gone +Jul 18 15:47:46 <tsunam> seems no one has any things for the open floor +Jul 18 15:47:51 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2010/20100815_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100815_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..2441bab --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100815_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,283 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the 15 Aug 2010 Gentoo Foundation Inc monthly trustees meeting +20:00 <@robbat2|na> hi all +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call +20:00 <@dabbott> here +20:00 <@robbat2|na> yo +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, quantumsummers_ ? +20:00 <@quantumsummers_> present +20:01 -!- quantumsummers_ is now known as quantumsummers +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum. If someone on the right contenent could give josh a call ... +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We willstart anyway +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network sent us a reminder. +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> From memory, that was with SFLC ... quantumsummers is that right ? +20:03 <@quantumsummers> fslc was working with OIN in some capacity +20:03 <@quantumsummers> *sflc that is +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I thought we had them checking out the agreement ? +20:04 <@quantumsummers> That is correct. +20:04 <@quantumsummers> I was told that SFLC was developing some docs for OIN\ +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that on the agenda for your chat with SFLC next week ? +20:04 <@quantumsummers> Yes, that is one point, certainly +20:04 <@quantumsummers> I have it on our list to revisit OIN for November's meeting +20:04 <@quantumsummers> as well. +20:05 <@dabbott> second +20:05 <@robbat2|na> November? what happened to sept/oct? +20:06 <@quantumsummers> We decided at the meeting in June I believe +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, we agreed to defer it while we go feedback from SFLC +20:06 <@quantumsummers> I am happy to bump that to sooner +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> got* +20:06 <@robbat2|na> once you've got response from SFLC, assuming it's positive, we can probably vote at the next meeting? +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, lets wait until after your appointment with SFLC +20:07 <@quantumsummers> fine. as I recall, the main benefit was political, at least at that point in June +20:07 * NeddySeagoon recalls lawyers saying ... on the other hand ... +20:07 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: you seem more interested, care to expand on why? +20:08 <@robbat2|na> i've met Keith Bergelt on two occasions now +20:09 <@robbat2|na> i didn't specifically introduce myself as a Gentoo trustee, but the in-person discussions and presentations seem to be entirely positive +20:09 <@robbat2|na> we have little to lose or gain politically from joining in my opinion +20:09 <@robbat2|na> they have a lot to gain from us +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> The agreement seems mostly harmless +20:09 <@quantumsummers> your impressions seem positive. +20:10 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: what do you see them gaining from gentoo? +20:10 <@quantumsummers> given that we have no patents +20:10 <@quantumsummers> albeit, I suspect portage to be a patentable invention. +20:11 <@quantumsummers> (not that I would advocate for such action) +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> not now its published its not +20:11 <@robbat2|na> more large distributions to claim as members +20:11 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: ok. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok ... lets move on. We cannot decide today +20:12 <@quantumsummers> ok, so on Tuesday I will discuss this. +20:12 <@quantumsummers> report to follow +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +20:12 <@quantumsummers> np +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Tango Icon Pacho Ramos +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, suggested a CC licence last meeting. I've read it and it looks good to me +20:13 <@quantumsummers> I like CC +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Has everyone else read it and can we vote ? +20:13 <@dabbott> yes +20:13 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: what CC derivative? +20:13 <@quantumsummers> if any +20:14 <@robbat2|na> CCPL-Sampling +20:14 <@quantumsummers> ok, very good +20:14 <@robbat2|na> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 in our tree +20:14 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve use of Gentoo Logo via license CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 for Tango Icon project. +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, seconded +20:15 <@quantumsummers> thank you +20:15 <@robbat2|na> this is broader than just the tango icon +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> vote please +20:15 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: shall I amend the motion to accomodate other projects/uses? +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, please explain before we vote +20:15 <@robbat2|na> unless there are objections, yes, please amend +20:16 <@robbat2|na> the license applies to the logo in general +20:16 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve general use of Gentoo Logo via license CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 +20:16 <@quantumsummers> oops. +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:16 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve general use of Gentoo "g" Logo via license CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote pleasse +20:16 <@robbat2|na> aye +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +20:16 <@quantumsummers> aye +20:16 <@dabbott> aye +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> we will come back to Updating Registration in NM if tsunam shows. Did anyone call him ? +20:18 <@quantumsummers> I can, if no one else has already +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, SFLC Update - we know thats next week +20:18 <@robbat2|na> i haven't +20:18 * quantumsummers goes to grab ze phone +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Accountant Team Progress ... +20:19 <@quantumsummers> one moment, please +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> sure +20:21 <@quantumsummers> Ok, Josh is at the doctor. +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds bad, on a Sunday +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks for making the call quantumsummers +20:21 <@quantumsummers> yes, he sounded ok, but wasn't real chipper +20:22 <@quantumsummers> So, re: NM reg. I signed & overnighted the material awhile back, he has not signed & forwarded as of today. +20:22 <@quantumsummers> we have until November, fyi. +20:22 <@quantumsummers> but sooner the better +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, we can remind tsunam when hes better +20:22 <@quantumsummers> yes. +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Accountant Team Progress ... +20:23 <@quantumsummers> ok, re: Accountants: I have assembled the dossiers for them, once I have a tad bit of info from sflc I will release it to the team +20:24 <@quantumsummers> I will say that I have already acccomplished some of what I had hoped out of them, however, there is plenty left +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> hey its good its a team ... as in > 1 +20:24 <@quantumsummers> yes, that is true. +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> I guess that covers 501(c)(3) registration status too ? +20:24 <@quantumsummers> reminds me, I will schedule a conf call with them as well +20:24 <@quantumsummers> more or less, yes. we are waiting on sflc, and a bit of budget work +20:25 <@quantumsummers> beyond that we are in good shape. +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> good +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Knowledge Management TODO List ... +20:25 <@quantumsummers> its there. I have started playing with a mongodb instance for the email archive +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:26 <@quantumsummers> might be able to integrate that into the main system once its ironed out +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Markos Chandras (hwoarang) ... Request for developer certificate +20:26 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: I would like to know if you have any ideas on mysql text indexing (via sphinx, etc) at a later date +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you were actioned with this in your absence last meeting :) +20:26 <@quantumsummers> that is done +20:27 <@quantumsummers> sent via snail mail && email pdf +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +20:27 <@quantumsummers> np. +20:27 <@quantumsummers> note +20:27 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: ++ +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott your turn +20:27 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers, ok, later on, it's not hard +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I have considered setting something up with roll call to automate these +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Consultants Page Review +20:27 <@quantumsummers> just a sec please +20:28 <@quantumsummers> perhaps I should ask Josh, but I have accrued a bit of tab on behalf of gentoo recently. how shall I handle that? +20:28 <@quantumsummers> submit an invoice? +20:28 <@quantumsummers> its not pressing, however I would like my accounting to be in shape, etc, etc +20:29 <@robbat2|na> invoice the alias, and josh can send you a cheque or paypal probably +20:29 <@robbat2|na> that's how we've done it for infra before +20:29 <@quantumsummers> ok, sounds good +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes please, we are a business, like any other business. We need the paper trail to appease auditors +20:29 <@quantumsummers> that is all from me then. +20:29 <@dabbott> Is it tracked with a bug +20:29 <@quantumsummers> ok, will do +20:30 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers, it's probably just incidental for paperwork and sending said paperwork to josh right? +20:30 <@robbat2|na> not an actual funding request ahead of time +20:30 <@quantumsummers> that and the print/mail of dev cert +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, petty cash +20:30 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: correct, these were incidental expenses +20:31 <@robbat2|na> yup, just invoice then, that's what we've done for infra. large stuff gets a funding request ahead of time +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't need a bug - invoice to the alias is fine +20:31 <@quantumsummers> ok, its <$50 total +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, your companies page looks good. Is thee only the one company to go on it ? +20:32 <@dabbott> If the Consultants page is OK I can add it to our links http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/#doc_chap5 +20:32 <@dabbott> yes so far liiking to add more +20:33 <@dabbott> *looking +20:33 <@robbat2|na> should we ask on -core if anybody else wants to be put on? +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Maybe put out a news item about it +20:33 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: I would like to place a link, if everyone thinks that is acceptable +20:33 <@quantumsummers> news item is a good idea +20:33 <@quantumsummers> -core as well +20:33 <@robbat2|na> +1 on putting the page up as well +20:34 <@dabbott> ok I will do both +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, fine by me as long as you declare your interest should it affect a vote +20:34 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: indeed +20:34 <@robbat2|na> i'll declare right now that i've done Gentoo consulting in the past +20:34 <@quantumsummers> as have I albeit small in comparison ;) +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, give it a week for resoponses to news/core then make the page live +20:35 <@dabbott> I will run by the requests as I get them by email +20:35 <@dabbott> for review +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll declare that I would, if the opportunity were to arise +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest ... +20:36 <@dabbott> Starting on Aug 1 need more judges, have one a3li +20:37 <@dabbott> robbat2|na: is the artwork@g.o still working? +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds like another news item then, or something on dev-announce +20:37 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, yes +20:38 <@dabbott> I added myself to the alias sent an email but did not recieve anything +20:39 <@dabbott> I will look around may have been spammed +20:39 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, when was that so I can look in the logs later? +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, anything else on judges ? +20:39 <@dabbott> about 2 weeks ago +20:39 <@dabbott> no thats it +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Bugs ... moved to t@g.o +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Business +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Electronics Book Gentoo Logo Usage (Jordan Force) +20:41 <@quantumsummers> seems this would be covered by the earlier motion. +20:42 <@robbat2|na> one sec, it might not +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Hmm. I don't see the use of our logo in a book as commercial use. The book would be almost unchanged it it were removed +20:42 <@robbat2|na> the Sampling license is intended for derivitive works +20:42 <@quantumsummers> ah yes, I recall. +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> so it should be considered non-commercial use +20:42 <@robbat2|na> the book is not a derivative work +20:42 <@quantumsummers> hmm, this may become tricky. +20:43 <@dabbott> do we need to add anything to the logo usage guideling page? +20:43 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: we will, most likely +20:43 <@robbat2|na> does anybody know how he wants to use the logo in the book? +20:43 <@quantumsummers> its in the email +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> All we have is the email +20:43 <@robbat2|na> "I am writing a book about electronics. I am going to use the logo in the book, is this okay?" +20:44 <@robbat2|na> that's really brief +20:44 <@quantumsummers> ah, my mistake +20:44 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we ought ask him for a bit of info +20:44 <@dabbott> yes +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> we need to get more detail +20:44 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, i'll update the logo usage page for the sampling license +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Will I respond ? +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, thanks +20:45 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: please do, if you don't mind +20:45 <@dabbott> j19force93@gmail.com +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops - I have the original mail +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> next - libbash license (GSOC) Petteri R?ty +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, is in the channel +20:46 <+Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: It's not the license selection I wanted input on. +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, sorry, thats my mistake +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, please summarise +20:47 <+Betelgeuse> I proposed we assign copyright to the Foundation. +20:47 <@robbat2|na> I believe that Betelgeuse wants to know if we should hold the copyright for it, or if we leave it as the student +20:47 <@robbat2|na> sorry, was typing that at the same time +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, thats one for the lawyers. International copyright is a mess +20:48 <+Betelgeuse> The student is from US. +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> that makes it easier +20:49 <@quantumsummers> in that case, its rather wimple +20:49 <@quantumsummers> lol, simple +20:49 <@robbat2|na> Betelgeuse, has anybody else other than the student contributed code to it yet? +20:49 <@quantumsummers> I have an assignment doc we could use +20:49 <+Betelgeuse> robbat2|na: I have small snippets but don't consider enough to constitute a work. +20:50 <@robbat2|na> yes, I meant non-trivial contributions +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, anybody else ? +20:50 <+Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: no +20:50 <+Betelgeuse> Basically I anticipate request for a more liberal license but ideally would start with GPL-2 +20:50 <@robbat2|na> ok, then it's an easy case, since it's entirely inside the US. probably just use quantumsummers's existing doc +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> What is the advantage to Gentoo of having copyright ? +20:51 <@robbat2|na> so assign copyright to Gentoo Foundation, and license with GPL-2/LGPL-2 +20:51 <@quantumsummers> should be fine, then. Betelgeuse I will email you for the necessary info. +20:52 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, specifically we can pursue copyright infringement of libbash without the student having to retain his own legal counsel +20:52 <+Betelgeuse> and relicense even if the student is not reachable +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> I suppose it allows us to relicense if we want to too +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. lets use quantumsummers doc. quantumsummers can you post the document to the alias too please +20:53 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, of course +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> I have to catch up on US forms +20:54 <+Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: Does your doc quarantee we will always use an OSI approved license? +20:54 <@quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: not at present +20:54 <@quantumsummers> it can however, with just a slight mod +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse quantumsummers:fix the doc outside of the meeting please +20:54 <@quantumsummers> kk +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Developer Certificate (pdf) - Theo Chatzimichos +20:55 <@quantumsummers> I will create it. +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Alex Alexander - Gentoo Dev +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye +20:56 <@dabbott> yes +20:56 <@quantumsummers> aye +20:56 <@robbat2|na> aye +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Shall I write a wee ditty ? +20:56 <@dabbott> please do +20:56 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes please :) +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 19th Sep 2010 19:00 UTC +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> That works for me +20:57 <@dabbott> fine here +20:57 <@quantumsummers> fine here +20:57 <@robbat2|na> +1 for me +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> that was easy +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 9 Any other business ... +20:58 <@robbat2|na> it's only summer that's busy :-) September gets slower +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +20:58 <@robbat2|na> none from me +20:58 <@dabbott> Current bugs are in the topic if you want to review +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, lets try doing it on the list this month +20:58 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: nope. nothing beyond the convo with legal +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> nothing here +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ? +20:59 <@dabbott> AoB ?? +20:59 <@robbat2|na> "Any other Business" +20:59 <@dabbott> lol +20:59 <@dabbott> no +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 10 Responsibilities +21:00 <@dabbott> I will do the motions +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write the two emails +21:00 <@dabbott> I think just one ? +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> wired and more info about logo useage +21:00 <@dabbott> ok 2 +21:01 <@quantumsummers> gentlemen, its been a pleasure. talk to you all very soon. Cheers. +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 11 Open Floor +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> later quantumsummers +21:01 <@dabbott> ty quantumsummers +21:01 <@robbat2|na> bug 329509, it's CC'd for trustees, but I think we can just hand it over to the licenses team while the upstreams work it out +21:01 < willikins> robbat2|na: https://bugs.gentoo.org/329509 "dev-libs/shared-desktop-ontologies is a licensing mess"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; NEW; luke-jr+gentoobugs@utopios.org:kde@g.o +21:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2010/20100919_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100919_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..586cc75 --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20100919_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,355 @@ +20:03 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to bring the September 19, 2010 trustee meeting to order +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call - I'm logging +20:04 <@dabbott> here +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, sends apologies +20:04 * quantumsummers_ is present +20:04 <@quantumsummers_> is Josh feeling any better? +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> ping robbat2|na +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I don't know - that was just for the record that he said he would no be here +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start +20:05 <@quantumsummers_> kk +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers it looks like its all yours +20:06 <@quantumsummers_> very well. +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) +20:06 <@quantumsummers_> I have had a couple of nice conversations with SFLC this past 30 days +20:06 <@quantumsummers_> going in the order of the agenda +20:06 <@quantumsummers_> 1) 501c3 +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> You should summarise to t@.g.o not here +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> still working on it. Need to edit a ton of gentoo foundation web pages +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> ok +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> I can write it up +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> main things then: +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> To make sure we protect the client/lawyer relationship +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> sure, none of it is terribly private +20:08 <@quantumsummers_> OIN: its political, no real harm/benefit +20:08 <@quantumsummers_> I am sort of ambivalent, personally +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Once its in the public domain, it cant be recalled ... but if you are sure, go ahead +20:08 <@quantumsummers_> I'll email the details +20:09 <@quantumsummers_> details regarding the required changes] +20:10 <@quantumsummers_> lets see. cash sponsors policy: looks good. will need minor extension when 501c3 goes into effect +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:10 <@quantumsummers_> project funding policy: looks good +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> good +20:10 <@quantumsummers_> we will need to be careful about ad revenue] +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> why ? +20:11 <@quantumsummers_> its likely to be considered "unrelated business income" which is taxable +20:11 <@quantumsummers_> and there are limits as to how much we can take in from a single entity +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Even though it comes from large users who want to give something back +20:12 <@quantumsummers_> yes. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:12 <@quantumsummers_> this may be more a matter of how we attract these funds +20:13 <@quantumsummers_> and we may be able to change the language to avoid this sort of "penalty" +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> that works for me +20:13 <@quantumsummers_> I plan to pursue this, as there is precedent elsewhere in the oss community +20:14 <@quantumsummers_> I think we can do something like "reward levels" or something +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:14 <@quantumsummers_> which is to say: donate $X and get a "thank you" on the rotating ads thing +20:14 <@quantumsummers_> something along those lines +20:14 <@quantumsummers_> easy to implement +20:15 <@quantumsummers_> anyway, lets see, what else +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Just a wording change then ? +20:15 <@quantumsummers_> ah yes. dabbott, would you be willing to assist me in editing the foundation web pages? +20:15 <@dabbott> yes +20:15 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: a bit more than that, but mostly yes +20:15 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: thanks +20:15 <@dabbott> np +20:16 <@quantumsummers_> I have a solid idea what needs to change, I plan to start next week +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I can proof read if you want +20:16 <@quantumsummers_> please sir +20:17 <@quantumsummers_> regarding accountants. I have not talked with them lately, but have a few tasks for them over the next 30 - 60 days +20:17 <@quantumsummers_> also, I have started looking for book keepers +20:17 <@quantumsummers_> they are much cheaper than cpa for the same service +20:17 <@quantumsummers_> like $100 to $200 per month +20:17 <@quantumsummers_> versus >$1000 +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> even for our volume of business ? +20:17 <@quantumsummers_> so that could be helpful +20:18 <@quantumsummers_> possibly able to get donated services or have one or two of the accountant volunteers assist +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> It would be good to get a volunteer as $100 to $200 per month is a large part of our income +20:19 <@quantumsummers_> yes, I know +20:19 <@quantumsummers_> I hope to get a volunteer, as its not terribly labor intensive +20:19 <@quantumsummers_> but the basic fees are as stated in the open markety +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a front page ad ? +20:19 <@quantumsummers_> no +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:19 <@quantumsummers_> I will attempt to manage this privately at first +20:20 <@quantumsummers_> if we have no luck, then front page +20:20 <@quantumsummers_> sound ok? +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm +20:20 <@quantumsummers_> ok. good. +20:20 <@quantumsummers_> letrs see, next: libbash +20:21 * quantumsummers_ curses the small chicklet kbd +20:21 <@quantumsummers_> anyway +20:21 <@quantumsummers_> libbash, I completely forgot about this, I will mention this next week to legal. Sorry +20:21 <@quantumsummers_> Though, I still think we can move forward with the assignment +20:22 <@quantumsummers_> in general, in the USA, this is "business as usual" +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, you were going to send some papers to Petteri +20:22 <@quantumsummers_> Assignment papers, I believe +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think so +20:22 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, its on my list. I have those +20:22 <@quantumsummers_> simple enough +20:23 <@quantumsummers_> again, sorry, its been a tad crazy busy this past month +20:23 <@quantumsummers_> Alright, next is forums. +20:23 <@quantumsummers_> as far as I can tell, we are in the clear here +20:23 <@quantumsummers_> Its all a matter of our "Terms of Use" +20:24 <@quantumsummers_> let me locate that real quick +20:24 <@quantumsummers_> seems like I had some comments on that +20:24 <@quantumsummers_> from legal +20:24 <@quantumsummers_> gimme a min +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:26 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, cannot locate. will email +20:26 <@quantumsummers_> Main thing, is that we need to state that we are not responsible for what people do in the community forum, and I think we do that. +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think you have to make an account +20:27 <@quantumsummers_> no +20:27 <@quantumsummers_> http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=register +20:27 <@quantumsummers_> that page has it +20:27 <@quantumsummers_> "While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable." +20:28 <@quantumsummers_> we might want to re-word this a bit. I will ask legal to assist on Monday. IIRC, some of this language can be made more explicit using contemporary legal language (language from the last 2-3 years) +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that sounds good +20:29 <@quantumsummers_> ok. never a bad idea to keep up with the times :) +20:30 <@quantumsummers_> ok, then, is that all for me? +20:30 <@quantumsummers_> oh, there was another thing, not on the agenda +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress ? or is that covered above ? +20:30 <@quantumsummers_> above. nothng new there +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - my turn +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> I have tasks for them, will talk more next week +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> err, wait +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> please +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> I have a question for you +20:32 <@quantumsummers_> given that I co-signed all the banking paperwork, I would like to take interim authority to write checks during Joshua's leave +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Yes please do +20:32 <@dabbott> yes +20:32 <@quantumsummers_> especially since it appears we will have some expenses coming up for hardweare +20:32 <@quantumsummers_> I think I can expedite that process +20:33 <@quantumsummers_> also, we need to make sure that Joshua has sent in our paperwork to NM +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:33 <@quantumsummers_> very important +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> can we check with NM rather than tsunam ? +20:34 <@quantumsummers_> well, I looked late last week at the page on state of NM for us, no change +20:35 <@quantumsummers_> we're good until OCT 15th I belive +20:35 <@quantumsummers_> all he needs to do is drop the thing int he mail +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> can we resend ? we don't want to go into bad standing again +20:35 <@quantumsummers_> grr, kbd +20:35 <@quantumsummers_> huh? +20:35 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: can you call him +20:35 <@quantumsummers_> it needs his sig sa treasurer +20:36 <@quantumsummers_> *as +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> I thought if we filed late we had our good standing revoked +20:36 <@quantumsummers_> yes, dabbott, I can on Monday +20:36 <@quantumsummers_> we are not late until OCT 15th +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, thanks +20:36 <@quantumsummers_> it might be Nov 15, come to think of it, let me check +20:38 <@quantumsummers_> yep Nov 15, we are in good standing until that date +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> josh should be back before then +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> my turn ? +20:38 <@quantumsummers_> ok, sure +20:39 * NeddySeagoon Electronics Book Gentoo Logo Usage (Jordan Force) / more information requested +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> I wrote requesting more info - no response yet +20:39 <@dabbott> I think we can drop it +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> I suggest we drop this as it wrote just after the last meeting +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> it -> I +20:40 <@quantumsummers_> Ok. +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott - your turn +20:41 <@dabbott> consultant page is done +20:41 <@dabbott> Larry contest is going on now no entries as yet +20:41 <@dabbott> there has been some interest +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, you are not on the consultants page ? +20:42 <@quantumsummers_> guess not, I would like to be :) +20:42 <@quantumsummers_> I will get with dabbott about that +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we register Larry as a Gentoo Mark ? +20:42 <@dabbott> please send me the info :) +20:43 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: will do, thanks +20:43 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: perhaps a good idea +20:43 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: yes +20:43 <@dabbott> another legal question +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets register the winner of the competition then +20:44 <@quantumsummers_> I will talk to legal about it +20:44 <@dabbott> we need a Gentoo user that is a lawyer we can pester +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> It may change the competition rules too. So maybe its too late +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> rl03 is still here +20:44 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: send any inquiries to me, and I will forward +20:46 <@dabbott> ok will do +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs ... I've not noticed any traffic on our bugs +20:47 <@dabbott> No new bugs +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> No old ones closed ? +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding +20:49 <@dabbott> We do not know how much it will cost yet +20:49 <@quantumsummers_> I like the idea of a larger machine, and usage of VMs +20:50 <@quantumsummers_> I can say will some certainty what cost would be on 4CPU machine +20:50 <@dabbott> Do we have the funds to buy instead of rent per month +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> What about a home for it too ? +20:50 <@quantumsummers_> funds, yes, home not certain +20:51 <@quantumsummers_> now, do we have the funds with the other machines needed, unceratin +20:51 <@quantumsummers_> it would be nice to have some old machines donated to us +20:52 <@quantumsummers_> If I could afford the BW, I'd say put them in my datacenter. Unfortunately, I cannot afford the BW at this time +20:52 <@quantumsummers_> I have the space though. Perhaps soon I will have BW money :| +20:52 <@quantumsummers_> Robin was talking to a couple of potential sponsors +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, it needs to be in OSL or something like that that has a long term low cost future +20:53 <@quantumsummers_> I would also like to talk to Amazon regarding free developer use of AWS resources +20:53 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I agree. +20:53 <@dabbott> Lets table for email and next meeting once we have more info +20:53 <@quantumsummers_> ok' +20:54 <@quantumsummers_> thing is, we need to address the machine needs soon +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't rent from GNi for long, so if that goes to the vote, I suggest 1 or 2 months max to sort out something long term. The shorter the better +20:54 <@quantumsummers_> or reimburse solar +20:54 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: sounds good +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we need to agree a short term fix now +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ... +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> That the Foundation rent miranda for a period not exceeding two months, to allow infra to find an alternative. If no alternative if found in that period, funding will be withdrawn +20:57 <@robbat2|na> crap, i'm an hour late aren't I +20:57 <@dabbott> hi robbat2|na +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, yeah - DST change ? +20:57 <@robbat2|na> only in my head +20:58 <@dabbott> robbat2|na: your thoughts on miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding +20:58 <@robbat2|na> I think the new owners of GNi will want too much money unfortuntely +20:58 <@robbat2|na> a high-end box might be nice, but it's the matter of cost +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, any chance of puttong new hardware into OSL ? +20:59 <@robbat2|na> re potential sponsors, i've only got one more pending, and that's going to be used gear +21:00 <@robbat2|na> within power constraints yes +21:00 <@quantumsummers_> we could try to do a fund raiser for this specifically +21:00 <@robbat2|na> but we're going to need to replace osprey at the same time due to those power constraints +21:00 <@robbat2|na> since we finished decommisioning warbler+nuthatch at OSL +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> what about bandwidth and space ? +21:01 <@robbat2|na> we have 4.5A, 4 ips, and I think about 4U of space +21:01 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, I might recommend one of these quad node machines,, uses around ~1500 W, 4 nodes with up to 24 cores each +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> 4 ips ? +21:01 <@robbat2|na> IP addresses are a non-renewable resource yes +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, sorry - I'm being thick +21:02 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, 1500W is way over the 4.5A :-( +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> 4.5 a @ 110v or 220 v ? +21:02 <@quantumsummers_> that is max for the PS, not actual usage +21:02 <@robbat2|na> 110V +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Oh 500w ... +21:03 <@quantumsummers_> my bad there. so we are looking at a max of 500W, yikes +21:03 <@robbat2|na> but note that osprey does need to be replaced as well, and I'd ballpark it's consumption as 2A +21:03 <@quantumsummers_> all in one go with a quad node +21:04 <@quantumsummers_> 2U +21:04 * quantumsummers_ is biased, as I really like mine +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> can we talk about the long term on the list. Meanwhile, how much tinme do we have with GNi as is, and should we buy more time ? +21:04 <@robbat2|na> solar expected them to try and contact us this coming week +21:05 <@robbat2|na> i was making sure the rest of the infra boxes are ready to poweroff so I can try to talk for more time +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> With a view to biling from 1st October ? +21:05 <@robbat2|na> unknown, i don't have contacts of my own at the new owners +21:06 <@robbat2|na> i tried to make some after GNi changed hands, to no avail +21:06 <@quantumsummers_> miranda is going to be expensive +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> how long will it take to get a funded replacement operational ? +21:06 <@robbat2|na> hardware acquisition plus probably 48 hours +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, so < 2 months ? +21:07 <@robbat2|na> our track record on hardware acquisition sucks +21:07 <@robbat2|na> so at least a month, if not 3 +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, if we were funding miranda, it would focus our thoughts +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, just before you showed up I proposed Motion ... +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> NeddySeagoon That the Foundation rent miranda for a period not exceeding two months, to allow infra to find an alternative. If no alternative if found in that period, funding will be withdrawn +21:08 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: we need to talk with blueness +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Does that sound reasonable ? +21:09 <@quantumsummers_> he may have some ideas +21:09 <@robbat2|na> if they offer a reasonable price yes +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, its just to buy time to part company without loosing miranda. If we can find a home for funded hardware +21:11 <@robbat2|na> proposed: That the Foundation potentially rent miranda for a period not exceeding two months at a reasonable price, to allow infra to find an alternative. If the price is unreasonable or no alternative if found in that period, funding will be withdrawn. +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> What is 'reasonable' ? +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> reasonable -> not exceeding market rates +21:13 <@robbat2|na> i'd say market rates for that node would be 400-600USD/month +21:13 <@robbat2|na> mainly unsure of the market rate for the SAN space +21:14 <@quantumsummers_> what is the BW requirement for miranda +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Are we prepared to pay an 'unreasonable' sum for a few moths for continuity of service ? +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> months ? +21:15 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, i just tried to check, and my login to the website with bandwidth data doesn't work anymore :-( +21:16 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: blueness may be willing to help out, BW is the issue +21:16 <@quantumsummers_> they have 5mbit +21:16 <@quantumsummers_> he is willing to help out with HW, but BW is the issue +21:18 <@robbat2|na> ok, lets just consider that for now, i'll ask some of the others if we can potentially send a gentoo-owned box to them +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> OK - what about the short term voting of funds to keep miranda alive ... if needed. +21:18 <@quantumsummers_> yeah. +21:18 <@robbat2|na> maybe just fix it to a monetary sum? +21:18 <@dabbott> What is miranda used for, a dev box, build box ? +21:18 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: too much to list +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, like $1200 ? +21:19 <@robbat2|na> $1200 sounds good to me +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion - The foundation authorises the expenditure of up to $1200 to rent mirada for the short term +21:20 <@quantumsummers_> seconded +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +21:20 <@quantumsummers_> aye +21:20 <@robbat2|na> aye +21:20 <@dabbott> yes +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried. That gives robbat2|na /solar something to talk to GNi with if they need it +21:21 <@dabbott> thats $1200 per month +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> longer term we need to get a shopping list priced +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, $1200 total +21:21 <@robbat2|na> ok, the only traffic stat I can come up with miranda right now is that in 219 days of uptime, it's used 67GB down, 20GB up +21:21 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: can you talk with blueness? +21:21 <@quantumsummers_> ok +21:21 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, ok, blueness, and my other potentials +21:21 <@quantumsummers_> ok' +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we move on ? +21:24 <@robbat2|na> yes +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Developer of the month ... +21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Recognition for job well done. +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> We have to be careful about pissing people off. This can do more harm than good. Also we cannot run the foundation for the benefit of our members, so other than some publicity, what can we do ? +21:27 <@dabbott> this is more of a pr job, if the newsletter was still donr +21:27 <@robbat2|na> the DOTM that used to be in GWN was only there to find somebody willing to be interviewed +21:27 <@robbat2|na> hardly anybody used to respond to the requests +21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah, ok. Patrick wanted to get the newsletter going again. Maybe he is still interested ? +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Similarly for Contributor of the month ? +21:29 <@dabbott> same thing yes +21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you are our expert in getting people to do interviews :) +21:29 <@quantumsummers_> fine by me :) +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> personally I like the linuxcrazy approach +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Interviews and PR is fine by me +21:30 <@dabbott> Its all about motivation :) +21:31 <@robbat2|na> could titling them differently ruffle less feathers? +21:31 <@robbat2|na> "Developer Spotlight" +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Start a thread in Gentoo Chat asking for volunteers maybe +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> or Focus on <project> +21:34 -!- Arfrever [~Arfrever@gentoo/developer/Arfrever] has joined #gentoo-trustees +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Moving on ... +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo name in a personal blog NinGentoo: The way of the Gentoo Ninja +21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Seems harmless +21:35 <@robbat2|na> it's personal use, +1 +21:36 <@dabbott> fine by me +21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ? +21:36 <@quantumsummers_> fine by me +21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Thomas Beierlein - developer +21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> +1 +21:36 <@dabbott> yes +21:37 <@robbat2|na> +1 +21:37 <@quantumsummers_> +1 +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you. I'll write the approval email +21:37 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: thanks +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 17th Oct 2010 19:00 UTC +21:37 <@robbat2|na> aye +21:38 <@dabbott> fine here +21:38 <@quantumsummers_> wfm +21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... +21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, you always have something +21:39 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: any of the accountants want to be foundation members +21:39 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I will adress things via mail +21:39 <@quantumsummers_> :) +21:39 <@dabbott> maybe with a cloak ++ +21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, :) +21:39 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: I'll ask 'em +21:39 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: keep them interested :) +21:39 <@quantumsummers_> yessir +21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> The accountants should be members and maybe Gentoo staffers too +21:40 <@dabbott> yes seconded +21:40 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: had a nice talk with Tony, btw, he is looking forward to your email +21:40 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I agree +21:40 <@quantumsummers_> lets see what they say this coming week +21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ok +21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ? +21:41 <@robbat2|na> none from me +21:41 <@dabbott> none here +21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> none from me +21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 10 Responsibilities +21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs and email our new dev member +21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page? +21:42 <@dabbott> I will do the motions +21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks dabbott +21:42 <@dabbott> np +21:42 <@robbat2|na> apologies again for my tardiness +21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 11 Open Floor +21:43 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting + diff --git a/2010/20101017_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20101017_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..ee2adb9 --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20101017_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,208 @@ +20:21 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to start the 17 October 2010 meeting of The Gentoo Foundation Inc trustees. +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> roll call +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, dabbott robbat2|na +20:22 <@dabbott> here +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +20:22 <@quantumsummers> present +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, sends apologies +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> we have a quorum, so lets start +20:23 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 3 Old Business +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Registration New Mexico dabbott do you have some news ? +20:24 <@dabbott> I have not heard anything +20:24 <@quantumsummers> we have less than one month to get that filed +20:24 <@quantumsummers> I have the original sent from Mr. Chew +20:25 <@dabbott> The last I heard anything was the email from tsunam +20:25 <@quantumsummers> same\ +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> As over a month has passed, I think its fair to assume that tsunam did not post the docs, or they have been lost. We can't wait until November. Can someone call tsunam please +20:25 <@quantumsummers> I can +20:25 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks. +20:25 <@quantumsummers> if he is unable to perform this task, we must have 2 signatures on the doc +20:26 <@quantumsummers> the treasurer and secretary +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> follow up to the alias, or in here. We cannot wait until the next meeting +20:26 <@dabbott> I can sign if needed +20:26 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps we need to appoint an interim treasurer to accomplish this +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> the treasurer *is* tsunam +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I know. +20:27 <@dabbott> he should be able to do it +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I will talk with him +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> lets see if tsunam answers the 'phone +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Next item miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding this seems to have gone quiet +20:28 <@quantumsummers> needs to be done, however without access to funds it is quite impossible +20:28 <@dabbott> I will leave it on the agenda for robbat2's input +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Has there been feedback from solar ? My email has been giving problems, so I may have missed it +20:29 * quantumsummers is talking to Josh +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> we need timescales and a location for a miranda.dev.gentoo.org replacement +20:30 <@dabbott> nothing since the original and then I think we got one with the updated price robbat2 said was going to be too much +20:30 <@quantumsummers> he says next week he will send it +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that was a different isue +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +s +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok, we can wait until the end of October for NM to update the site +20:31 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:32 <@dabbott> ok +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> any more on miranda ? I think robbat2|na was trying to find a home as we don't have power at OSL +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers your bit +20:33 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: yes that is my understanding also +20:33 <@quantumsummers> just a sec, still talking to Josh +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok +20:37 <@quantumsummers> alrighty +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I hope you didn't get him out of bed, its only just after 11:00am where he lives +20:37 <@quantumsummers> so, Josh send his best to everyone, he is feeling somewhat better, and hopes to return in 30-60 days +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good +20:38 <@dabbott> +1 +20:38 <@quantumsummers> he is sending me a checkbook, and he promised to send the paperwork to NM, certified, next week. I will follow up +20:38 <@dabbott> again thanks quantumsummers +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers +20:38 <@quantumsummers> that is about it. +20:38 <@quantumsummers> ok, so sflc, I have a bunch of stuff so I will dpaste the thing +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, +20:39 <@quantumsummers> or better, I will email real quick +20:39 <@dabbott> ok +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> err my email is bust dpaste preferred +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm learning to use mutt via ssh while I fix it +20:40 <@dabbott> I just forward to a gmail account helps with spam +20:40 <@quantumsummers> http://pastebin.com/KbVmgGDK +20:40 <@quantumsummers> its in your email too +20:41 * NeddySeagoon reads +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> do we have Neddy's CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml on www.g.o? Nope, its my my devspace +20:42 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: I will get started on the patches for .xml later today, just slacking anyway +20:42 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: I can provide the patch, if you wish. +20:42 <@dabbott> ok better yet +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> NO, perhaps change disclaimer a bit ... linux.com has decent example. Can we just lift it ? Did the SFLC have a hand in it ? +20:42 <@quantumsummers> can you put neddys thing in there? +20:42 <@quantumsummers> we can lift it. +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> The SFLC said thats OK ? +20:43 <@quantumsummers> sflc approves +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:43 <@quantumsummers> legal disclaimers are not copywritable +20:44 <@quantumsummers> anyway, so with those changes, we have our full package for 501c3 pretty much done +20:44 <@quantumsummers> also, I would like to get Robin's copy for the infra piece before going live +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we fix 37 to require only scanned and emailed receipts of is that not good enough ? +20:46 <@quantumsummers> fine by me +20:47 <@quantumsummers> These receipts can be mailed to the Foundation treasurer (or acting treasurer) in hard-copy form or scanned and sent via email to {{trustees@}}. +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers but is it ok for audits? In the UK, you need the paper copy still unless it was an all electronic transaction, e.g. air tickets +20:47 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: do you have a link for CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml +20:48 <@quantumsummers> http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, heh, you found it faster than me +20:49 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: As a general rule, yes. +20:49 <@quantumsummers> re: audits that is +20:50 <@quantumsummers> its like a faxed copy, that is good enough +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, lets keep thinks electronic if we can. It saves passing boxes of paperwork around the world when officers change +20:51 <@quantumsummers> anything else re: sflc? +20:51 <@quantumsummers> OIN, we are still deferring until Nov. +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think so - that looks pretty comprehensive +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> fine. +20:52 <@quantumsummers> libbash, I have not taken care of yet +20:52 <@quantumsummers> apologies +20:52 <@quantumsummers> we have to have a contributor agreement to assign +20:52 <@quantumsummers> I need to get one from sflc, noting that now +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> you were going to update one from your wife, iirc ... +20:53 <@quantumsummers> yes, it is insufficient +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:53 <@dabbott> The contributor is Nathen, not sure of his full name +20:54 <@quantumsummers> ok, I will talk to Betelgeuse about this as soon as I get a doc from sflc +20:54 <@quantumsummers> added to the todo list +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:54 <@dabbott> perfect +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress +20:54 <+Betelgeuse> dabbott: s/Nathen/Nathan/ +20:54 <@quantumsummers> there has been no action on this since the last meeting, I have been swamped +20:55 <@quantumsummers> added to the todo list +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Can someone else help ? I don't want our new found help to think they are not needed +20:55 <@quantumsummers> sure! +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> An email to let them know they are not forgotten would be good +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, who and how ? +20:57 <@quantumsummers> who ever volunteers, and we can get them collaborating on the summary, of which I have approx 30% completed +20:57 <@quantumsummers> summary/timeline +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I have a little time ... but I don't know the paperwork +20:58 <@quantumsummers> I'll get the ball rolling with you and the team early next week +20:58 <@quantumsummers> the paperwork is well described +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest Update +20:59 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: ok or delegate to one of them the one that seems most interested +20:59 <@dabbott> or + and +20:59 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: yes, it would be ideal if they led themselves a bit +20:59 <@dabbott> Not much interest in the contest :( +21:00 <@dabbott> only one entry, I may have to do it again +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Does it need a relaunch ? +21:00 <@quantumsummers> we could just use what we have, its pretty iconic as it stands now. +21:00 <@dabbott> I have only had one person even ask about how it was going etc +21:01 <@quantumsummers> do we have the larry head in svg? +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> with only one entrant ? +21:01 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: yes http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/larry.svg +21:02 <@quantumsummers> let just use that, its cool imo :D +21:02 <@quantumsummers> minimalist cool +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> whatever we use, we need to register the make +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> mark* +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 4 Bugs Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766 covered above +21:03 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +21:03 <@quantumsummers> this will be closed upon Josh's filing +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation ... oachim Bartosik (ahenobarbi) +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> what does this mean ? +21:04 <@dabbott> Joachim wanted a document for school I think +21:04 <@quantumsummers> a note that he participated in gsoc? +21:05 <@quantumsummers> or what? +21:05 <@quantumsummers> anyone have the email messgage id handy? +21:06 <@quantumsummers> Betelgeuse Betelgeuse Betelgeuse +21:07 <@quantumsummers> yeah, so he wants to do an "internship" for school with gentoo, Betelgeuse as his mentor would be responsible for the logging of hours, and signature +21:07 <@dabbott> I have it here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/276710/ +21:08 <@quantumsummers> I can handle foundation signing of an official doc, but I cannot read polish +21:09 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: thanks +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, the mail offers to send an official translation +21:10 <@quantumsummers> would be great +21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, will you take it up with Joachim directly please +21:10 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: ok. +21:11 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: do you want me to forward you that email +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Rafael Goncalves Martins (rafaelmartins) +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Dane Smith (c1pher) +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye +21:11 <@quantumsummers> Motion: approve both Rafael Goncalves Martins (rafaelmartins) and Dane Smith (c1pher) +21:11 <@dabbott> Yes to both +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +21:12 <@quantumsummers> whoa, lag +21:12 <@quantumsummers> yes to both +21:12 <@quantumsummers> recorded +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> carried. Can someone write to them please, my email is bust +21:12 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: would you mind? +21:12 <@dabbott> sure +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 21st Nov 2010 19:00 UTC +21:12 <@quantumsummers> I do not have my signing key on this tmp bpx +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +21:13 <@quantumsummers> thanks David +21:13 <@dabbott> np date is fine here +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> My email client has a memory and CPU leak ... it fetches 5 mails before the OOM kills it +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> works for me. +21:14 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: what client +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, balsa +21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> 2.8.4 +21:14 <@quantumsummers> yeah, that is bad behavior from an email clisnt +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you ok with the DoNM ? +21:15 <@quantumsummers> wfm +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 9 Any other business ... +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> None from me +21:15 <@dabbott> none here +21:16 <@quantumsummers> None from me (that I can think of anyway) +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 10 Responsibilities +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log +21:16 <@dabbott> do we want to check back at the end of the month for NM just to check +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> ... but not tonight +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we can't go into bad standing again. We might just as well pack up if we do +21:17 <@dabbott> the 31 is the last day of the month and it is on a Sun +21:17 <@quantumsummers> That will not happen +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> well, 1st Nove then +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> -e +21:18 <@dabbott> I don't want to use Arch or some such +21:18 <@quantumsummers> I will email when I talk with Josh again this week +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +21:18 <@quantumsummers> If he doesn't send next week, we may have to take emergency action. +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 Open Floor +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yep +21:19 * dabbott wipes the sweat off his brow +21:19 <@quantumsummers> Good meeting y'all +21:19 * NeddySeagoon bangs he gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2010/20101128_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20101128_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..4290f62 --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20101128_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,282 @@ +18:55 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the meeting +18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +18:55 * quantumsummers_ is present +18:55 <@dabbott> here +18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> bloodnoc, is here, so I'm logging +18:56 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 tsunam_ ? +18:56 <@robbat2> pong +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Four - thats a full house for today +18:56 <@quantumsummers_> nice +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Old Business +18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Registration New Mexico +18:57 <@quantumsummers_> all done and up to date +18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam_, posted the paperwork and we have been renewed +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding ... We have a new donor do we still need this ? +18:58 <@robbat2> dropping it for now, we picked up a somewhat lesser box at a new sponsor +18:58 <@robbat2> and it's getting setup +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - is the miranda workload being spread around ? +18:59 <@dabbott> great I will remove it for dec +18:59 <@robbat2> yup, hopefully to two boxes +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, does that mean we have nothing at GNI any more ? +18:59 <@robbat2> specifically, to kookaburra.g.o and vulture.g.o (previously the GSoC box) +18:59 <@robbat2> there's still two boxes running there, but only because they haven't turned the lights off yet +19:00 <@robbat2> no essential services remain on them +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, should we write to them and tell them ? and drop their ad at the same time? +19:00 <@robbat2> i've tried to contact them, but been unsuccessful +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Does anyone in infra still work there ? +19:01 <@robbat2> nobody +19:01 <@robbat2> and they've retained none of the old GNi people that I was in contact with +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Just run shutdown -h now :) +19:01 <@quantumsummers_> should we power them down? +19:02 <@robbat2> when it's more final, i'll zero the disks on my way out of them +19:02 <@quantumsummers_> we do not need them sending us an invoice +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds like a plan +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers - your bit SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) +19:03 <@quantumsummers_> ok, most of what I had to say was in the email +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_ ok - can you post a link for posterity please +19:03 <@quantumsummers_> the contributor agreement is in the works, I should be able to finish it on Monday +19:04 <@quantumsummers_> I can recount the important bits here, it was not a public email +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> please +19:05 <@quantumsummers_> so the libbash bit, that will require a contributor agreement. +19:05 <@quantumsummers_> I have started an adaptation of the apache foundation version, also used by django foundation and others. +19:06 <@quantumsummers_> Its a good one, sflc approved in general. Once I have the draft complete I will send it off to them for comments, but I do not expect much as its fairly standard +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> IS that much work - remove apache, put back Gentoo ... or is it more ? +19:07 <@quantumsummers_> pretty much find & replace, some language needs changing for the license change from Apache to gplv2 +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +19:07 <@quantumsummers_> I have a good idea what to do there, its not a big deal +19:07 <@quantumsummers_> should take <20mins +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network ... +19:08 <@quantumsummers_> OIN, I think this is still the same situation as before. Its mostly political. That said, I see no harm in joining or not joining. +19:08 <@quantumsummers_> as far as I can see, the sflc has not completed their exposition for OIN, so nothing new their ether +19:08 <@quantumsummers_> its an interesting development with the upcoming sale of Novel +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> I know most of us are ambivalent on this but I think its worth a vote. I'm slightly in favour of a strong FOSS (anti) patents organistaion +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Mozilla have joined +19:09 <@quantumsummers_> shall we have a motion to join? +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> yes please +19:10 <@dabbott> Motion: Join Open Invention Network +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +19:10 <@quantumsummers_> Please vote +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> as a licencee +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> ... yes +19:11 <@dabbott> I see no harm, yes for me +19:11 <@quantumsummers_> I vote to join as a licensee. +19:11 <@robbat2> aye +19:11 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: thoughts? +19:12 <@quantumsummers_> ok, motion passes. Who wishes to contact them? +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, dabbott as a licencee ? +19:12 <@dabbott> yes +19:12 <@robbat2> yes +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to them - as long as my main box doesn't go down again +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress +19:14 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, NeddySeagoon, I still need to email them to let them know you will work with them on things +19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I have not had a chance to do it yet. On my Monday list +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, sooner rather than later, so they don't loose interest +19:15 <@quantumsummers_> I understand, and agree. +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2 DNS / BIND progress +19:17 <@robbat2> idl0r and I are working on it, just trying to figure out one thing re having a better audit trail at the moment, if that fails, we'll just use nsupdate directly, and have the same level of auditability as ultradns +19:17 <@robbat2> relatedly, can I have a hand with writing the letter to UltraDNS +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you want to write and I'll review or the otherway around ? +19:18 <@robbat2> i'll write and you can edit+review +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sure +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest Update +19:19 <@dabbott> We had 2 entries, both are graphic artists +1 +19:19 <@dabbott> The graphics needs to be redone or new created to be put on t-shirts to follow cafepress's way of doing it +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, joint winners and two T-shirts ? +19:19 <@dabbott> The contest was for 3 and 3 t-shirts but now 2 and 3 shirts +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> seems good +19:20 <@dabbott> Alex (a3li) is going to work with them in a few weeks once he finishes a project he is currently busy with. +19:20 <@dabbott> Both artists are willing to do what it takes to help out. +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm looking for some gear to wear to FOSDEM too +19:21 <@dabbott> Once we have their graphics on a shirt available on cafepress I told them we "Trustees" would honor the contest rules and gladly give them their 3 free t-shirts +19:21 <@quantumsummers_> should we have them do a contrib agreement? +19:21 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: sure just let me know the details +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think that was part of the rules of the competion +19:21 <@dabbott> There is enough money currently in the cafepress account to cover this expense. +19:22 <@quantumsummers_> ok I think the lic would be creative commons, I can do that one when I do the gplv2 version +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, Did tsunam send you some cheques ? +19:22 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes I have checks +19:22 <@quantumsummers_> and cheques +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +19:22 <@dabbott> :) +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> two nations divided by a common language :) +19:23 <@quantumsummers_> :) +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Funding Request Jeremy Olexa +19:24 <@quantumsummers_> +1 from me +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> The link is broken for me +19:24 <@robbat2> +1 from me, if he wants a bigger drive, the cost differential is tiny +19:25 <@quantumsummers_> yeah, I agree with robbat2, there are 1TB drives for $90 +19:25 <@robbat2> the cost on the drive he wanted has dropped to $34.99 now I see +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I've found the bug ... +1 from me +19:25 <@dabbott> +1 +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Approved. Do we want to reimbuse him or buy the drive and have it shipped to him +19:26 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so I will reimburse darkside1 when he provides a digital receipt. That work for everyone +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, yes +19:26 <@quantumsummers_> or I can buy it & have it shipped (reimburse myself) +19:26 <@quantumsummers_> either way is fine. +19:26 <@quantumsummers_> darkside1: what would you like to do? +19:26 <@robbat2> no objections to telling him to get a bigger one? +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, talk to darkside1, agree between yourselves +19:27 <@robbat2> he's not around that much on weekends +19:27 <@dabbott> do we need a motion? +19:27 <@quantumsummers_> ok. a bigger one is fine. +19:27 <@quantumsummers_> just lets spend less than $100 +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> A bigger one is ok by me. You get a lot of code ona 1Tb drive +19:27 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott I think we are fine without a formal motion +19:28 <@dabbott> ok +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed to $100 limit +19:28 <@robbat2> the 1TB version of what he wanted is $49.99 right now +19:28 <@robbat2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> he could just about get a raid1 set for $100 then :) +19:29 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so lets just give him a budget of $100 and let him figure it out. Sound ok? +19:29 <@robbat2> sure +19:29 <@dabbott> yes +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> carried +19:30 <@quantumsummers_> ok, I'll email him here in a sec (CC trustees@) +19:30 <@robbat2> next bug was corrections to corp filing +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766 - this can progress now we are otherwise up to date with NM +19:30 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I haven't heard from tsunam - can anyone else do this ? +19:33 <@quantumsummers_> was this not updated with our last filing? +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> No. Its two separate filings +19:34 <@dabbott> I don't know the procedure, does the agent contact NMPRC +19:35 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, I'll handle it. I should be able to do this. If I need Joshua's sig, I can mail it to him +19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets check out tsunam. If he is back in December, he can do it then +19:35 <@quantumsummers_> I'll call the state of NM on Monday, see what we need to do. +19:36 <@quantumsummers_> no biggie +19:36 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers_ +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want a new 'Contact outside NM' ? +19:36 * quantumsummers_ adds another to the Monday list :) +19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we should have one +19:36 * NeddySeagoon adds another Monday to quantumsummers_ week +19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: if onlythat were possible +19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Further, I would be happy to put my business address on there +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote for an address in the USA - but you can use mine if you wish +19:37 <@dabbott> that would be good ^^^ +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, That would be good +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Ok. I will see what needs to be done there. +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thank you +19:37 <@quantumsummers_> my pleasure +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business Hardened Projects' Documentation +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> whats the issue ? +19:39 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so there are some older docs that appear to have no license +19:39 <@quantumsummers_> we are updating the docs for the hardened proj +19:40 <@quantumsummers_> and we would like some guidance on how to proceed w.r.t. using potentially non-licensed content. +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't relicence studd without the copyright holders agreement - that would be everyone on the authors list +19:40 <@quantumsummers_> OR can we assume that since its no www.g.o that it is licensed under CC-SA +19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> studd -> stuff +19:41 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 had some thoughts here, I think +19:41 <@dabbott> s/no/on +19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> There are various versions of CC-SA +19:42 <@robbat2> my thoughts were that the site already had a blanket CC-SA +19:42 <@quantumsummers_> ok, that is what I thought too. +19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, was that in pace when the docs were published or does it post date the docs ... +19:42 <@robbat2> hmm, that's a good question +19:43 <@robbat2> one sec, seeing if I can dig up where +19:43 <@robbat2> *when +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> If all the authors will respond to email, the cleanest way to to attempt contact with a proposal +19:44 <@quantumsummers_> some docs go back to 2005 +19:45 <@dabbott> did solar start the project? +19:46 <@robbat2> bug 212021 mentions some the issue too +19:46 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/212021 "Consider switching to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0"; Documentation, New Documentation; RESO, CANT; grahl@g.o:trustees@g.o +19:47 <@robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gdp/doc/doc-policy.xml covers items done by GDP +19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that was to relicence under a later version of the CA licence +19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Legal Issues. Every document published by the Gentoo Documentation Project must be licensed by the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. +19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> That can only apply from the time that phrase was added to the doc +19:49 <@robbat2> that phase is at least as old as: Thu Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC +19:50 <@robbat2> the file was moved to that location then +19:50 <@quantumsummers_> in that case we are good afaict +19:50 <@robbat2> IFF the documents were by the GDP team +19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> So it clearly applies to docs dated after Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC. +19:50 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, which hardened files? +19:51 <@quantumsummers_> solar is an author on a bunch, and pappy too +19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ask them +19:51 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: I'll have to put together a list of those in question +19:51 <@robbat2> etdyn.xml is dated aug 2003 +19:51 <@robbat2> so I need to go further back +19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we take that outside the meeting please +19:52 <@robbat2> ok +19:52 <@quantumsummers_> ok, give me some time to get some info together +19:52 <@quantumsummers_> I have the guy working on it now +19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation +19:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Is this any different to dev certificate - but for a different role ? +19:55 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, there is paperwork to sign. +19:55 <@quantumsummers_> which I am happy doing. +19:55 <@quantumsummers_> also, iirc, the mentor will have to sign off +19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks ... do you need a third monday in your week? +19:56 <@dabbott> from his email; +19:56 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps :D +19:56 <@dabbott> I asked the person who handles internships on my university and a +19:56 <@dabbott> certificate (like the one you sent previously) and a internship log (in +19:56 <@dabbott> English, signed by Alex or Petteri) will be enough. +19:56 <@quantumsummers_> ah, great. +19:56 <@quantumsummers_> So, he needs a certificate of completion? +19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> That gets rid of the translation issue +19:57 <@quantumsummers_> I am thinking about writing a webapp that will let us auto-create these certs. +19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, for one or two a year, is it worth the effor ? +19:57 <@quantumsummers_> should be easy enough with ... reportlab & python win1 +19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> +t +19:57 <@quantumsummers_> if its easy, then yes. :) +19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +19:58 <@quantumsummers_> not a high priority +19:58 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: he has alot of free time on Mondays :) +19:58 <@quantumsummers_> but, we could use it to give devs the ability to create their own certs with ldap data +19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +19:58 <@quantumsummers_> iif robbat2 would let me access that data :P +19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> No SW design during meetings :) +19:59 <@quantumsummers_> anyway, could be a fun little side pri=oj +19:59 <@robbat2> the public fraction of the data is all in userinfo.xml +19:59 <@quantumsummers_> err, proj ... yeah. please proceed +19:59 <@robbat2> RESO OFFTOPIC +19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +20:00 <@robbat2> so quantumsummers_ is handling that +20:00 <@robbat2> next we have membership applications +20:00 <@quantumsummers_> +1 to the new devs +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Membership Applications Eray Aslan and Matt Turner. These were voted on the ml but my main box died, so I didn;t write the emails nor fix the ACL here +20:01 <@robbat2> aye for both of them +20:01 <@dabbott> yes to both +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write the emails now by system is up. +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 19th Dec 2010 19:00 UTC +20:02 <@quantumsummers_> sorry to say, but that is not going to work as I had hoped +20:02 <@quantumsummers_> for me anyway +20:02 <@quantumsummers_> how about the week prior? +20:02 <@dabbott> fine here +20:03 <@robbat2> checking my cal +20:03 <@dabbott> 12 +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 12th Dec? Thats the day after my wedding anaversary ... it will probably be ok +20:03 <@quantumsummers_> during the week would be fine too, for me anyway +20:03 <@robbat2> fine for me on the 12th +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets make it 12 Dec at the usual time +20:04 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: that sounds like it may be trouble :D +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, after 32 years, as long as I remember, I'll be ok :) +20:04 <@dabbott> heh +20:05 <@quantumsummers_> :) congrats sir, quite an accomplishment +20:05 <@robbat2> remembering is what the calendar is for ;-) +20:05 <@robbat2> congrats for so many years +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks - its been hard work at times but worth it +20:05 <@quantumsummers_> I'm working on 5 years, and its been a ton of work. I would like to think it gets easier, but my optimism fails there. ;) +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... +20:06 <@quantumsummers_> none from me, ah ha! +20:06 <@robbat2> none from me +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> I have 1 item +20:06 <@dabbott> go ahead none here +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> The recording date for next years trustee elections. I propose the close of our Jan 2011 meeting. +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> +1 +20:07 <@robbat2> +1 +20:07 <@dabbott> yes +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> hard to believe its been 2 years already +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, its retire by rotaion mind - so we have continuity +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 10 Responsibilities +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log, write to OIN and our new members +20:08 <@dabbott> I will do the motions +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that leaves you fixing NM +20:09 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, if you can identify the hardened docs that need license stuff, i can help you with that +20:09 <@robbat2> i've got DNS and the miranda replacement +20:09 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yessir +20:09 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: working on it now +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 - Open Floor +20:11 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2010/20101212_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20101212_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b65d1be --- /dev/null +++ b/2010/20101212_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,265 @@ +18:53 * NeddySeagoon banges the gavel to open the meeting +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +18:53 <@dabbott> here +18:53 <@robbat2> awake +18:53 * quantumsummers is present +18:53 * NeddySeagoon is logging +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... lets go +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Old Business +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Recording Date ... I thought this was settled under AOB last month ? +19:01 <@quantumsummers> It was. +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers your turn then +19:02 <@quantumsummers> ok. +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) +19:02 <@quantumsummers> 1. still reviewing our application. Will pass to sflc after Jan 1st. +19:02 <@quantumsummers> App is pretty much complete however +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> It disappointing its so slow +19:03 <@quantumsummers> I know. I've not had as much time to work on it as I would like to have +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> can you email it to trustees@ ? +19:03 <@quantumsummers> sure. +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks - its really for my own curiousity, since I've not been a party to this before +19:04 <@quantumsummers> Its at my office, so it might be Monday before I can get at it. +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> fine +19:04 <@quantumsummers> Its an interesting process. I would be curious to know what differences exist for this in EU +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network. The paperwork is done, dabbot was working a press release +19:04 <@quantumsummers> Sorry its taking me so long +19:05 <@quantumsummers> Press release went out, at least to gentoo news +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Gentoo never gets above 3rd on any list of priorities +19:05 <@dabbott> Its all done posted to front page g.o +19:05 <@quantumsummers> http://www.gentoo.org/news/20101206-OIN-announcement.xml +19:06 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I still feel bad its taken so long, meh. +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> its been very quiet, I thought it might have provoked some discussion +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> libbash license (GSOC) +19:06 <@quantumsummers> oddly, I have not seen anything anywhere else about our joining +19:06 <@quantumsummers> libbash, I have the CLA done. Sent it off to sflc for their review. Not had a chance to follow up. +19:07 <@quantumsummers> its fairly standard, so I do not expect much from them. I do want an OK though +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> keep Petteri in the picture +19:07 <@quantumsummers> will do +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress +19:07 <@quantumsummers> as a side note, I had my lawyer look at it & he thought it was fine +19:09 <@quantumsummers> nothing required at the moment. Given Joshua's wishes (and non-response to Neddy on his request for a bit more than 0 notice), I think we should figure out who will take care of treasurer first, then have that person get involved with the accountant volunteers +19:09 <@quantumsummers> I was able to work up what was needed for our app with my cpa +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, he did respond, but just to me. Hes considering it +19:09 <@quantumsummers> ah, didn;t see that +19:10 <@quantumsummers> ok. in any event we need a plan for the future +19:10 <@quantumsummers> this is troubling to me, as without him, I am the only signatory +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> What about getting one of the Accountant Team on board to fill some of the slack, as an officer ? +19:10 <@quantumsummers> if I were to keel, it would be trouble +19:11 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: +1 sounds like a good idea +19:11 <@dabbott> +1 +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Who besides Josh has worked with them ? +19:11 <@quantumsummers> robbat2 had some interest in the finances (based on statements from his bid in the election) +19:11 <@robbat2> I wanted to track the numbers more +19:11 <@quantumsummers> I have emailed with them +19:11 <@quantumsummers> the acct volunteers that is +19:12 <@robbat2> since i'm not in the US, i'm not sure if that has an implication on who treasurer is +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to keep tsunam around long enough to help with the handover but not have him start anything new +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I can't be, I'm not permitted to operate a USD accounf +19:12 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I will get us setup for monthly downloads of our transactions, etc. Perhaps we can do something to store/access those files +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> we need something more short term +19:13 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, ok, tracking the data is what I wanted to be involved in +19:13 <@quantumsummers> I have checks (and cheques) and access to the bank (my name is on the account) +19:13 <@quantumsummers> so, short term I think we are in fine shape +19:13 <@quantumsummers> nothing outstanding that I am aware of +19:14 <@robbat2> just bus factor +19:14 <@quantumsummers> I sent the check to Jeremy re: HDD +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, work out what you can offload to an officer and see if you can get one (or more) of the accounatnts to volunteer +19:07 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: +1 more eyes the better +19:08 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: +1 I will try, though with the holidays we may not get much assist until after Jan 1st. (which is fine really) +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> yep ... as long as you don't follow ferris +19:09 <@quantumsummers> as usual, my cpa is fine with taking a look from time to time. I think she isn't even charging +19:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I do not plan to :) +19:09 <@quantumsummers> well, at least for another 50 years or so +19:09 <@robbat2> nobody plans to die for a long time +19:09 <@quantumsummers> lolz +19:09 <@quantumsummers> true +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, your CPA working that way is fine, if she is charging, we want the bill, not your business +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, heh, I'm 57 +19:10 <@quantumsummers> no worries for now. if she says its gonna cost, I will ask first before proceeding +19:10 <@quantumsummers> ask the board that is +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> fine, don't pick up the tab yourself is all I'm saying +19:10 <@quantumsummers> sure, what I have incurred to date is negligible. +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation +19:11 <@quantumsummers> I mailed Raty about this, not heard back that I recall. Let me look though to make sure +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, DNS / BIND progress ... you were going to compose a thank you for me to review too ... +19:12 <@robbat2> yes, I was going to compose it, and haven't yet +19:12 <@quantumsummers> ok, so its on the intern now to provide paperwork for Petteri to sign +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +19:12 <@robbat2> i haven't done much work on the BIND itself, work and the holiday season has kept me busy +19:12 <@quantumsummers> its a bad time of year to do too much. +19:13 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: if I draft something up, will that help? +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, do you want to say a few words about progress ? +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, are you sure you have the time ? +19:13 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, that would be most useful +19:13 <@robbat2> but i'll probably get to it this week +19:13 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, I think I have most of the info needed, you can spit polish & send +19:13 <@robbat2> my calender is looking mostly empty +19:13 <@quantumsummers> lucky you +19:13 <@robbat2> last week's calender was full +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, git migration then :) +19:14 <@quantumsummers> ooooooooh :P +19:14 <@robbat2> i haven't look at that, but donnie did find a good potential incremental migration tool +19:14 <@quantumsummers> nice. nice. nice. +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I was just teasing +19:14 <@robbat2> and we had a useful discussion about partitioning history +19:14 <@robbat2> so that the packfile issue goes away +19:15 <@robbat2> specifically, like the linux kernel had a historical packfile available, we'd do that same +19:15 <@robbat2> that's everything from me +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Bug 296766 +19:15 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +19:15 <+jmbsvicetto> if it helps, some of the KDE teams are planning to do the same - put history on a separate repo +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets leave that bug until after the election +19:16 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel on jmbsvicettos fingers :) +19:16 <@robbat2> that's still 3 months away to the close of the election +19:17 <@quantumsummers> lol, ok. so I started the process for that +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its been open for 9 months already. Do we wnat to fix it now and potentially again, after the election ? +19:18 <@quantumsummers> called the state, I have to fill out a form & send it back. I may have to get Josh's sig too, maybe. Apparently I was not talking to the most knowledgeable person in the office. The instructions for the form are more detailed. +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats assuming we actually have a vote this year +19:18 <@quantumsummers> Its in the mail to me as of middle of last week +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, just do it then, since its started +19:18 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: just read your comment, you want me to wait on that? +19:18 <@quantumsummers> its really a simple process +19:19 <@quantumsummers> we can do it as many times as we need +19:19 <@robbat2> let's do it now to get Josh's signature before he becomes even harder to reach +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, continue with it +19:19 <@quantumsummers> if needed, we will take care of it ASAP+100 +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Bug 343975 +19:20 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; darkside@g.o:trustees@g.o +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> I guess this is closed +19:20 <@quantumsummers> I will close it when I hear from Jeremy that he has deposited the check I sent +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 (there being no new business) Membership Applications +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the 3 applicants are accepted +19:21 <@dabbott> yes to all +19:21 < darkside_> i'll deposit the check this week (expecting in the mail tomorrow) +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, quantumsummers ? +19:22 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: let me know when its in. +19:22 <@robbat2> aye +19:22 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: approve all three +19:22 < darkside_> nod +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> We have 3 new members. I'll write to them +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 16th Jan 2011 19:00 UTC +19:23 <@dabbott> fine here +19:23 <@quantumsummers> looks good to me +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats back to the third Sunday in the month +19:24 <@robbat2> aye fine with me +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... +19:24 <@robbat2> jmbsvicetto, ^^^ +19:25 <@quantumsummers> Jorge, so I hear you want some disks or something? +19:25 <+jmbsvicetto> So, if we wanted to ask funding for some dvds for FOSDEM when would be the latest that we would have to do it? +19:25 <@dabbott> his fingers are sore +19:25 <+jmbsvicetto> dabbott: yes ;) +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, we would like 6 weeks to get DVDs made ... so time is pressing +19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> likewhoa finished a new revision yesterday. He's about to ask users to test it +19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> right +19:26 <@robbat2> Jorge: were you going to find pressing in the EU, or just get reimbursed? +19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> As we're not going to have a booth, would it make sense to fill such a request? +19:26 <@robbat2> err +19:26 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: are you planning to line up the service & jus have us pay? +19:26 <@robbat2> i double-failed +19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> I was going to ask you who do you know that could do it +19:27 <+jmbsvicetto> I don't know anyone who can do it +19:27 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: I found a couple different companies online that do it. Nothing too special. decent deal for copies, the pressing is expensive +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we have a licencee in the EU somewhere +19:27 <@quantumsummers> so, if its just duplication its cheap, mastered/pressed not cheap +19:28 <+jmbsvicetto> I could burn a few dvds to take with me, but I don't have a pressing kit to print labels for them +19:28 <@quantumsummers> the dups get labels, a3li has nice artwork for it +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, we can get 100 or so made with printed labels but you wan't want them sent to your home address +19:28 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I think you are correct. Lets look at that, might get a better deal +19:28 <+jmbsvicetto> we have artwork for the dvds as well. We do need to think if / how we want to label the release +19:29 <@dabbott> LinuxPusher could do it, he gae us the laptop badges http://www.linuxpusher.com/distributions/Gentoo-Linux +19:29 <+jmbsvicetto> 10.X is old +19:29 <@quantumsummers> sure. +19:29 <@quantumsummers> dabbott he is in canada right? +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> It needs to be called 11.0 now +19:29 <@dabbott> no denmark +19:29 <@robbat2> linuxpusher is denmark iirc +19:29 <@quantumsummers> perfect then +19:29 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: if possible, getting them to Brussels would be better. I don't know if we could get them handed to the Hotel +19:29 <@robbat2> and his site also seems to be down for me +19:29 <@robbat2> ah, just slow +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, probably. +19:30 <@quantumsummers> also, jmbsvicetto email me your address, I have some sticker badges you can give away as well +19:30 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: some people showed an interest in not having numbered releases +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Then we divide up the leftovers to take them home +19:30 <+jmbsvicetto> quantumsummers: sure +19:30 <@quantumsummers> I'll mail them out early next week via airpost +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, how many DVDs ? +19:31 <@dabbott> There is still some bugs on the latest LiveDVD it may not be ready +19:31 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: as we have a rolling release distro, why would it be bad to have a version on a disk, which indicates important info like how old it is? +19:31 <@dabbott> speakup, wireless +19:31 <@quantumsummers> (which I note that other distros are starting to pick up the rolling release bit too, as it is wise :) ) +19:32 <+jmbsvicetto> quantumsummers: mailed you my address +19:32 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: 100 / 200 ? +19:32 <@robbat2> i need to vanish in about 2 minutes for something +19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats what we need a quote for then +19:33 <+jmbsvicetto> I'm not against the numbers, but some people didn't like it. iirc, solar preferred a different naming scheme +19:33 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: got it +19:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon, jmbsvicetto that number will cost ~200 - 300 USD for duplications +19:33 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: even though I don't know if we'll give up that many without a booth +19:33 <@quantumsummers> we can get a nice discount for ~500 units +19:34 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: have a good one +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, does thing include DVD cases and a printed insert ? +19:34 <@quantumsummers> i think so, yes +19:34 <@robbat2> back in 45 minutes anyway, gone +19:34 <+jmbsvicetto> quantumsummers: iirc, there's another EU event soon +19:35 <@quantumsummers> it will be cheaper to get 500, then we have them all year (or until they are outdated) +19:35 <+jmbsvicetto> ok +19:36 <+jmbsvicetto> So is NeddySeagoon the only one of you that's going to FOSDEM? +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, get the quotes. 500DVDs is a lot to have to carry out of Brussels. +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, I'm the only one on the right contenent :) +19:36 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: hehe +19:37 <+jmbsvicetto> If we could get a few devs from different places to take a few back with them, it would be easier to carry them out +19:37 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we can send them to your house, you can store them :D +19:37 <+jmbsvicetto> I'm sure they'll be *cool* ;) +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I can store some, +19:37 <@quantumsummers> ok, NeddySeagoon, robbat2, I have the receipt from darkside_ already +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, lovely +19:38 <@quantumsummers> he just didn't want his addy in public +19:38 <@quantumsummers> 69.99 USD for his HDD +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> seems fair +19:38 <@quantumsummers> very good use of the budget we gave, 1TB seagate I think +19:38 <@quantumsummers> should last him awhile +19:38 < darkside_> indeed, thx for the vote of confidence too. very appreciated +19:39 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: have fun and thanks for your efforts! +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds a good price, they are ?69.99 here but computer kit prices have always been like that +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... from anyone else +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Nothing from me +19:40 <@quantumsummers> none from me +19:40 <+jmbsvicetto> about the "pending" election, I should talk to you soon to start thinking about it +19:40 <@dabbott> nothing more from me +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, the usual thing is nominations in Feb and Voting in March +19:41 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: I think its Robin and I up for re-election, then we will need to elect someone to Josh's seat +19:41 <+jmbsvicetto> ok +19:41 <@quantumsummers> maybe dabbott would assist as an election staffer +19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't thing its Robin +19:41 <@quantumsummers> maybe just me then +19:41 <@dabbott> sure +19:41 <+jmbsvicetto> unless anyone sees any reason not to, I'm going to volunteer as an election official again +19:41 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: +1 +19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> what about conflict of interests of having trustees help run the election ? +19:42 <@dabbott> thanks jmbsvicetto +19:42 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I was an official for the last one. +19:42 <@quantumsummers> I think its ok, as long as the official is not running :) +19:42 <+jmbsvicetto> antarus away message states he's willing to run an election. So if we need someone, we can poke him +19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +19:43 <@quantumsummers> kk +19:43 <+jmbsvicetto> Then there's rane and dberkholz that may also be willing to do it +19:43 <@quantumsummers> sounds good +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> is rane around ? I've not seen hime on IRC for ages +19:43 <@dabbott> I say if we can get someone that is not a trustee better yet +19:43 <@quantumsummers> and for the record, I will run for re-election if that is cool with everyone +19:43 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: he has been around +19:43 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: he is around a bit, yes +19:43 <+jmbsvicetto> He's around, just hidding ;) +19:44 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: yes yes :) +19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sure. I would like for the board to endorse any retiring members who stand for reelection +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 10. Responsibilities +19:45 <@quantumsummers> ok. +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do the log and 3 emails +19:45 <@dabbott> I will do the motion +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 11 Open Floor +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks dabbott +19:46 <@dabbott> np +19:47 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting. (Carefully avoiding jmbsvicettos fingers) diff --git a/2011/20110116_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2011/20110116_trustees_meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d7e4bc7 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110116_trustees_meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,244 @@ +18:42 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the last trustee meeting before the 2011 elections +18:42 -!- quantumsummers|a is now known as quantumsummers +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call - I'm logging +18:42 <@quantumsummers> present +18:42 < tsunam> I'm ere +18:42 < tsunam> here even +18:42 <@robbat2> present +18:42 <@dabbott> here +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 2 Old Business +18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election Status Report +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and robbat2 retire by rotation. Nominations will be help in Feb, exact dates to be determined by the elections project, voting will be in March +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Today is the recording date +18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, you want to say a few words ? +18:45 < tsunam> sure thing I'll do that now +18:46 < tsunam> As most are aware a few months ago I had some issues with my health. This caused me to step away from my duties for a not insignificant time period +18:46 < tsunam> Due to this and luckily by design of how we setup everything the business was able to continue uninterupted. +18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> good planning that +18:47 < tsunam> However, it also made me consider things in my life including my work for the foundation. What I found is that although I love the work that I've done for the foundation and the members of the foundation I've had the pleasure to work with +18:48 < tsunam> that I believe it is time for me to step down during the next election cycle from my position as a trustee and a treasurer, and allow someone who has more motivation and capabilities then I can bring to the positions that people have entrusted to me +18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a vote of thanks to tsunam for his work over the last three years +18:49 <@quantumsummers> seconded +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +18:50 <@robbat2> aye +18:50 <@dabbott> aye +18:50 <@quantumsummers> aye. Many Thanks Joshua, many thanks +18:50 -!- willikins [~rbot@gentoo/bot/Willikins] has joined #gentoo-trustees +18:50 < tsunam> thank you all :) as its about me I need to abstain ;) +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks for all the hard work tsunam. Make sure we don't owe you money before you leave. +18:51 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: will do +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Another motion ... +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the board endorses the reelection of robbat2 and quantumsummers (if they want to stand) +18:52 <@dabbott> seconded +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +18:52 < tsunam> aye +18:52 <@dabbott> yes +18:52 <@quantumsummers> yes +18:52 <@robbat2> aye +18:53 <@quantumsummers> I do plan to stand again, for the record, and really appreciate the endorsement of the board +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried ... I'll ensure that gets into the notices. +18:53 <@robbat2> likewise, I intend to run again, many thanks for the endorsement +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll poke elections too +18:54 <@dabbott> thanks to both ++ +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for elections ? +18:54 <@quantumsummers> I am prepared to make the voters list +18:54 <@quantumsummers> that is all from me +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) +18:56 <@quantumsummers> ok, so just about everything going on right now is waiting on SFLC. Had a long conversation week before last, following up, doing some new stuff, etc,etc +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we shou;ld list the questions on the agenda maybe +18:56 <@dabbott> yep +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Is the SFLC being responsive ? +18:56 <@quantumsummers> so, the list: cla, the one I proposed was too permissive in license (bsd-ish), recommends fsf version +18:57 <@quantumsummers> ah, NeddySeagoon, well it takes a long time to get things done with them +18:57 <@quantumsummers> they are responsive, just I have to keep poking them for things or they appear to forget +18:57 <@quantumsummers> or are just really busy +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> We seem to have a fair bit with them ... do we need to set priorities to get things turned around in the order we need or is it just 'lawyers at work' ? +18:58 <@quantumsummers> there are priorities they are aware of +18:59 <@quantumsummers> anyway, back to the list: tax status: long bit here, summed up in the following. SFLC is appointing some junior attorney to handle working with me directly on this. I think this will make things go faster. +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good +18:59 <@quantumsummers> further, it appears there has been a change in attitude at the IRS, they are slowing down processing of floss applications +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Care to estimage when our 503(c) application will go in ? +19:00 <@quantumsummers> this might make our petition to them greatly extended +19:00 <@quantumsummers> its all in sflc court now, their guy is getting with me to collect all my docs, then they have a fair bit of writing ahead of them +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't influence the IRS bit +19:00 <@quantumsummers> not likely +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> It sounds positive, just slow +19:01 <@quantumsummers> if its denied, we will have to appeal in federal court (sflc would handle this of course) our attorney is experiencing this with another group now +19:01 <@quantumsummers> but yes, I am positive. its just likely going to take awhile +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - good practice +19:02 < tsunam> heh +19:02 < tsunam> progress is progress...and one should never expect speed when it comes to the government..unless you owe them money :) +19:02 <@quantumsummers> now, this is mentioned below, but the libtxc_dxtn bit is also awaiting response +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that must be the same all over the world :) +19:03 <@quantumsummers> so, also discussed the transition of tsunam away from the foundation and the record keeping, etc required +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it sounds like you are on top of things with the SFLC ... is there any more you need to share with us in public ? +19:04 < tsunam> I've provided a list of some items previously when I brought it up, but added at least one thing to the list. +19:04 <@quantumsummers> I am keeping a repo with a journal and any/all files dealt with in the process +19:04 <@quantumsummers> yes, thanks tsunam for the list +19:04 <@quantumsummers> very helpful. ducks will line up +19:05 <@quantumsummers> is there anything else I need to report on? +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. quantumsummers who else has access? I'm aware you are a single point of failure during the transition +19:06 <@quantumsummers> yes, this is a personal repo at the moment. I would push to git.o.g.o if others want access +19:06 <@quantumsummers> it would have to be a private repo, of course +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, long term, you cannot be both sec and treasurer +19:06 <@robbat2> there should be proper private repos on git.g.o sometime in the next few weeks +19:06 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: noted, thanks. +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> its too much work for one +19:06 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I know, we need a new treas +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +19:07 <@quantumsummers> I think its small enough now that I can easily manage for now +19:07 < tsunam> we do have some people who offered to help that were financial types that quantumsummers and I were interacting with that would be perfect for the position of treasurer +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> That has to be on the agenda for April, when we have the AGM +19:07 <@quantumsummers> yes, I have one particular candidate that has offered to do bookkeeping +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that works for me. +19:08 <@quantumsummers> I am waiting on sflc to get me the proper docs for this person to sign regarding non-disclosure, privacy, etc +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> treasurer is an officer so it need not be a board member +19:09 <@quantumsummers> once we have the legal in place I would like to "test drive" this candidate (and others if needed) +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is this individual interested in becoming a gentoo staffer ? +19:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: correct. It would be nice to have some one we know/trust as there will be signatures involved, etc +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> these individuals* +19:10 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I would think so, though I have not discussed this specifically +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> they need to do the staff quiz +19:10 <@quantumsummers> I guess it would be a requirement +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Not specifically - but it shows a little comittment +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> any more SFLC stuff? +19:11 <@quantumsummers> nope. +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs +19:11 <@quantumsummers> one unrelated bit, I have sent reimbursement checks to the GSOC mentors +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> fine +19:12 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, err, you missed me +19:12 <@robbat2> re UltraDNS followup +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe - sorry robbat2 UltraDNS Wrapup +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems to all be still working ... +19:13 <@robbat2> ok, we successfully did the final BIND migration on Dec 27th +19:13 <@robbat2> there's one more technical backend bit waiting for the private git repos, but we're operational already +19:13 <@robbat2> in terms of paperwork +19:13 <@robbat2> we were concerned about being billed for the last month due to when we gave notice +19:14 <@robbat2> there wasn't any problems there at all. Our "official cancel date" for to make the Neustar paperwork easier on their end is 2011/01/31. +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds good +19:14 <@robbat2> my contact at Neustar wishes us all the best in future +19:15 <@robbat2> that's everything :-) +19:16 * NeddySeagoon proposes a vote of thanks to gentoo-infra for the seamless migration of our DNS +19:16 <@quantumsummers> seconded +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +19:16 < tsunam> aye +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +19:16 <@quantumsummers> aye +19:16 <@dabbott> yes hire them +19:16 <@robbat2> abstain since it's about infra/me +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried. +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to infra@ +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766 +19:17 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> If this isn't already in the post, we may as well wait until the election results are known +19:18 < tsunam> I've not sent an update +19:18 <@quantumsummers> some of this this went in with our annual report +19:19 <@dabbott> we should just wait +19:19 <@quantumsummers> I can handle this once the election is done +19:19 <@quantumsummers> its a simple form +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok - thanks +19:19 <@dabbott> also can we help with bug 351045 +19:19 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; NEW; robbat2@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o +19:19 <@quantumsummers> that is alsoi in the hands of sflc +19:20 <@dabbott> ok good enough +19:20 <@quantumsummers> I wrote them about this and mentioned the fedora example +19:20 <@robbat2> should we get a draft together for them first? +19:20 <@quantumsummers> I have a few issues with the fedora version +19:20 <@quantumsummers> actually, sure. I started working on a draft last week :) +19:20 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, can you list those issues in the bug? +19:20 <@quantumsummers> yes I cah +19:20 <@quantumsummers> can +19:21 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: it would be helpful to know what we do store for example in ldap, versus forums, etc +19:21 <@quantumsummers> we can switch out our stuff for the fedora stuff +19:22 <@robbat2> ok I can answer that on the bug for better tracking +19:22 <@quantumsummers> then I think it comes down to tightening the third party data sharing language +19:22 <@quantumsummers> ok, great +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more bugs ? +19:23 <@quantumsummers> there are a few +19:23 <@quantumsummers> bug 285549 +19:23 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to discuss them here +19:23 <@quantumsummers> also with SFLC +19:23 <@quantumsummers> oh, up to you chairman +19:24 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps I just have way too many things on hte sflc plate at the moment, there are like 15 items +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> No point in going through bugs that have not changed +19:24 <@quantumsummers> heh, we can move on & use bugz for this stuff +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Adding patent-unsafe package (libtxc_dxtn) +19:25 <@quantumsummers> also with sflc now +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +19:25 <@quantumsummers> err, as oif a wekk or so ago +19:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: is there any precedent for this in the portage tree? +19:26 <@quantumsummers> seems truetype-ish +19:26 <@robbat2> hmm +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> leave it with sflc +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers Andreas H?ttel and Bernard Cafarelli +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye for both +19:27 <@dabbott> yes to both +19:27 < tsunam> yes on both +19:27 <@quantumsummers> aye for both +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +19:28 <@robbat2> aye +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Community Members Mike Gilbert +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye +19:28 <@robbat2> aye +19:29 <@quantumsummers> aye +19:29 <@dabbott> yes +19:29 < tsunam> abstain as i didn't review +19:29 < tsunam> what he has done etc +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:29 <@quantumsummers> herd tester +19:29 < tsunam> ah +19:29 <@quantumsummers> for chromium I believe +19:29 <@dabbott> he also bug wrangles +19:29 < tsunam> *nods* +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Advertising Requests - none +19:29 < tsunam> good to know +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 20th Feb 2011 19:00 UTC +19:30 <@quantumsummers> +1 +19:30 <@dabbott> good here +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +1 +19:30 <@robbat2> +1 +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam ? +19:30 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: put the log here please foundation/en/minutes/2011 +19:31 < tsunam> that's fine +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok. +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have some ... +19:31 <@robbat2> none from me at this time +19:32 <@dabbott> I will do the motions and quantumsummers when you get the repo set up I can help keep track of the items for sflc if you want +19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, volunteered me to speak a FOSDEM on a joint Foundation/Council/Devrel platform, about the future organisation of gentoo +19:32 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ok thank +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I' mailed trustees@ for feedback and I had two replies. +19:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I gave some feedback in this channel, shall I email it for the record? +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Do I have to speak as an individual, or can I speak on behalf of the Foundation +19:33 < tsunam> I'm fine with you speaking on behalf of the foundation +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, no need, I have the log +19:34 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: on behalf of the foundation would be nice, I think we should all participate in the draft though +19:34 <@robbat2> i trust Neddy, i'd like to read what he says, but I don't need to see a draft +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I will try to get the draft slides out before the end of next weekend +19:35 <@quantumsummers> sounds excellent +19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll try to record it - voice only. I've got a new toy to take to fosdem :) +19:35 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: sounds interesting, I am not knowledgable enough on the subject to offer much feedback +19:35 <@quantumsummers> nice :) +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, we can clear up the odds and ends on the alias. +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if you update the members list with the new members today, I'll check it over. +19:37 <@quantumsummers> I can email that out asap +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I have to update the +V list here too +19:38 <@quantumsummers> gotcha +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more 'other business' ? +19:38 <@quantumsummers> well ... +19:38 <@quantumsummers> j/k none from me +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +19:38 * NeddySeagoon will will post the log +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page? +19:39 * dabbott motions +19:39 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> It looks like I volunteered for the emails already +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 Open Floor +19:40 <@dabbott> np looks like 4 i will recheck the log +19:41 * NeddySeagoon bands the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2011/20110220_trustees.meeting_log.txt b/2011/20110220_trustees.meeting_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..62232a0 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110220_trustees.meeting_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +18:16 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the February 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. trustees meeting +18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +18:17 <@dabbott> here +18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, dabbott quantumsummers tanderson +18:17 * quantumsummers is present +18:17 <@robbat2> yo +18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum lets start tsunam_ ? +18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 3 Old Business +18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election +18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Nominations are open and we have three nominations for three seats - two nominees have accepted. +18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Elections project are seeing fair play +18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Monthly Update ... has anything changed ? +18:21 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: i have submitted more things for them, but have the no change from last meeting +18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> IS there anything we can do to help speed the process - should we look for more pro bono law support ? +18:22 <@quantumsummers> I need to have a frank conversation with them, as the time it has taken is not cool +18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> As long as they can give us a turn round time we cn live with and they meet it, thats fine. We would then know if we need more legal support +18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Canwe/Do we need to do anything ? +18:24 <@quantumsummers> let me talk to them, and see what is up +18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +18:24 <@quantumsummers> I'll do this onMonday, then +18:25 <@quantumsummers> we can make choices via mail +18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> You have a short Monday list this week then :) +18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +18:25 <@quantumsummers> its a holiday here +18:26 <@quantumsummers> as a side note, I think they may be experiencing funding crunch +18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Oh yeah - Presidents Day according to my Scientific American calendar +18:26 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we should consider some donation to subsidize their costs a bit +18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we make a donation to the SFLC ? +18:26 <@quantumsummers> they are trying to get someone with more time that our main contact will oversee +18:27 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: after monday, lets talk via mail +18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. I am good with the idea of a donation +18:27 <@quantumsummers> it would be a nice gesture +18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. I am good with the idea of a donation +18:29 <@quantumsummers> I'll email around my list of outstanding items as well +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs New FreeCAD & friends license Bug 35235 +18:29 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/35235 "Gotmail broken because hotmail site changed"; Gentoo Linux, Applications; RESO, FIXE; g2boojum@g.o:net-mail@g.o +18:29 <@quantumsummers> err +18:29 <@robbat2> missing a digit +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats whats in the agenda +18:29 <@quantumsummers> bug 325435 +18:29 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/325435 "app-misc/tracker does not index the content of OpenOffice documents"; Gentoo Linux, Applications; RESO, FIXE; markus.meier74@gmail.com:freedesktop-bugs@g.o +18:29 <@quantumsummers> opps +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks +18:30 <@quantumsummers> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352435 +18:30 <@quantumsummers> fat fingrd +18:30 <@robbat2> bug 352435 +18:30 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/352435 "OpenCascade, FreeCAD and the surrounding license mess / Can we have this in tree?"; Gentoo Linux, Applications; NEW; dilfridge@g.o:trustees@g.o +18:30 <@quantumsummers> 3rd times the charm +18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, do you have an opinion. From reading the bug, lots of people better then me have tried to unravel this and given up +18:31 <@robbat2> in light of gentoo, I say we restrict the binpkgs and let people use it +18:32 <@quantumsummers> do we even need to restrict mirroring? +18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to refer to SFLC ? +18:32 <@quantumsummers> have already +18:32 <@robbat2> yeah, RESTRICT="bindist mirror" +18:33 <@quantumsummers> sounds fine to me +18:33 <@quantumsummers> what are sci herd using for LICENSE? +18:33 <@robbat2> "mirror" because otherwise we are party to clause #2 +18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> That looks safe anyway - until SFLC report back +18:34 <@quantumsummers> I consider it safe, we are not distributing pkgs +18:34 <@quantumsummers> binary packages, that is +18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, agreed. +18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> nore the sources +18:35 <@robbat2> at the point of RESTRICT="bindist mirror", we're only ever shipping ebuilds, and any linkage violation is on the end users system, where plenty of it exists already (eg nvidia binary drivers) +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> -e +18:35 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: lets go with it +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> lets go with that +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a vote ? +18:36 <@quantumsummers> nah, we all agree +18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a SFLC opinion ? +18:36 <@quantumsummers> I hope to tender one +18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +18:36 <@quantumsummers> but I do not believe so +18:36 <@quantumsummers> that we need one +18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we remove it from their todo list ? +18:37 <@quantumsummers> and post to the bug, yes +18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business ... there is none +18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +18:38 <@quantumsummers> there are several old bugs +18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Robert Piasek and Tom Knight +18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you want to go through them ? +18:38 <@quantumsummers> just one really +18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, go ahead +18:39 <@quantumsummers> bug 353004 +18:39 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/353004 "RAM for debugging Atom node data corruption issue"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o +18:39 <@quantumsummers> I have it, will fedex tomorrow. Also, will post receipts for both and request reimbursement +18:39 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: thanks +18:40 <@quantumsummers> hi dabbott +18:40 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, if you're keeping a budget column, please debit against infra's annual $1000 budget +18:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, just reimburse yourself +18:40 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I am +18:40 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: will do that too, no rush. I only want to write 1 check (cheque) +18:40 <@robbat2> sure +18:41 <@robbat2> memberships for Robert Piasek & Tom Knight: I'm in favour, any objections +18:41 <@quantumsummers> none from me +18:41 <@dabbott> none here +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye from me +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +18:41 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: will you email? +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do the emails +18:41 <@quantumsummers> thank ye :) +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Next item +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 20th Mar 2011 19:00 UTC +18:42 <@quantumsummers> +1 +18:42 <@dabbott> fine here +18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to plan our AGM at the next meeting +18:43 <@quantumsummers> ok +18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Moveing on until robbat2 returns +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and do the emails +18:44 <@robbat2> checking my calender still +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think there were any motions +18:44 <@robbat2> should work for me, but not 100% certain yet +18:45 <@robbat2> might be another meeting via my IRSSI instance from my phone +18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, lets leave it at 20th for now - we can move it on the list +18:45 <@dabbott> new membership motion +18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, of course - sorry. Will you do the motions page ? +18:46 <@dabbott> I will :) +18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +18:46 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +18:46 <@dabbott> np my little part :D +18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Open floor ... +18:46 <@dabbott> who didn't accept yet ? +18:47 <@robbat2> me +18:47 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: do you accept? +18:47 <@robbat2> i've some contract work starting march 1st, and I want to see how busy that is going to make me +18:47 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting +18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, we would be sorry to lose you. Having an -infra person on the team has worked really well +18:49 <@robbat2> i'd like to stay, but I need to see about time commitments +18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I understand +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, if you decide not to stand ... you might like to nominate another -infra person +18:50 <@robbat2> potentially yes +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we close the meeting there ? +18:51 <@robbat2> we closed it already with your gavel +18:51 <@robbat2> thanks all, nice quick meeting :-) +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I will onclude th post gavel chatter in the log +18:51 <@quantumsummers> cheers. +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> include* +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks everyone diff --git a/2011/20110320_gentoo-trustees.03-20.log.txt b/2011/20110320_gentoo-trustees.03-20.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..642ed33 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110320_gentoo-trustees.03-20.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,265 @@ +17:56 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the 20 March 2011 Trustee Meeting ... and notes its the last meeting before the new Trustees take their seats. +17:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +17:56 <@dabbott> here +17:57 <@quantumsummers> present +17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ?? +17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ... your last meeting +17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> OK ... we have a quorum, so we may as well start +17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> That gets un yo Agenda Item 3 Old Business +17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election - Status Report +17:59 <@dabbott> Voting is going on now afaik +17:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Voting is open. I posted jmbsvicettos notice to -foundation-annouce, so all members should have seen it. +18:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Did anyone moderate it ? +18:00 <@quantumsummers> I think robbat2 did +18:00 <@quantumsummers> it did go out +18:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I got it as I sent it ... thanks quantumsummers +18:01 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Monthly Update you have the floor +18:02 <@quantumsummers> ok thanks +18:02 <@quantumsummers> at this point we have not received sufficient support from the sflc regarding a number of items +18:03 <@NeddySeagoon> How can we help SFLC to help us ? +18:03 <@quantumsummers> of that I am not certain +18:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Is it worth asking ? +18:04 <@quantumsummers> of course. +18:04 <@NeddySeagoon> I assume you mean that there is no movement since last month ? +18:04 <@quantumsummers> communication has been infrequent +18:05 <@quantumsummers> little response to my emails +18:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we ask them for forecast dates ... so we know what to expect ? +18:06 <@dabbott> We need a backup system, maybe some users could be of legal assistance +18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> We did discuss a donation too +18:06 <@quantumsummers> yes, we can and I have requested that. I will email again with cc:trustees@ to that effect +18:06 <@quantumsummers> we should vote on our proposal +18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Thats worth a follow up ... or even a front page advert +18:07 <@quantumsummers> to the sflc regarding a donation +18:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have a sum in mind ? +18:07 <@quantumsummers> not formally +18:07 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: yes that may help our cause they may be hurting +18:08 <@NeddySeagoon> nothing to propose for a montion now ? +18:08 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its unlikely we can bankroll a lawyer to do the things we have outstanding +18:09 <@quantumsummers> the fact is we need some form of longer term contract that states explicit work requests agreed on by the board in consulation +18:09 <@NeddySeagoon> how does that help ? +18:10 <@quantumsummers> this is to say, we need more than only an attorney +18:10 <@NeddySeagoon> You imply that this would be funded work +18:11 <@quantumsummers> is not a doantion to sflc the funding of work? +18:11 <@quantumsummers> in some sense +18:12 <@quantumsummers> if we have an idea of how much time (for attorney, book keeping, etc) we are looking at to complete the irs process +18:12 <@quantumsummers> it would be easier to make a bid +18:13 <@NeddySeagoon> No. The two are (legally) connected. It may make it easier for them to operate but the donation would not be explicity tied to expiditing Gentoo work. It would be a donation - no strings +18:13 <@NeddySeagoon> The two are not (legally) connected* +18:14 <@NeddySeagoon> They could use our donation any waay they want to +18:15 <@quantumsummers> right, as they are pro bono for gentoo +18:15 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: do they tell you they don't have the time / people or they just don't respond +18:15 <@quantumsummers> dabbott, the latter +18:15 <@NeddySeagoon> thats why I was saying would could not afford to bankroll a lawyer ... +18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do they answer the phone ? +18:16 <@quantumsummers> communication with them has been difficult, and I agree with NeddySeagoon that we should not need to bankroll a lawyer +18:16 <@robbat2> crap, timezone change bit me +18:17 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I usually get voicemail, but I do not attempt calls at high frequency +18:17 <@quantumsummers> last phone conversation was early Jan +18:17 <@quantumsummers> hello robbat2 +18:17 <@dabbott> hi robbat2 +18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC depends on donations, just as we do. I don't have a problem making a donation ... wed do use their services. I don't see us making a big enough donation to make a huge difference in response time. +18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> welcome robbat2 +18:18 <@dabbott> I say give them a donation as a show of good faith +18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm inclined to agree. +18:19 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I am torn about this a bit. at a certain point, we just need to get this work completed +18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how about your propose a montion dor a donation at the AGM in April ? +18:20 <@quantumsummers> I accept that. +18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Can we do the work without the SFLC ? +18:20 <@quantumsummers> of course. +18:21 <+antarus> Do we know how much the work costs; can't we just get a consultation? +18:21 <@NeddySeagoon> You say 'of course' but I was under the impression that we were asking for legal opionions on some things and help with the 501c3 applicatiion ? +18:21 <@quantumsummers> I will make a proposal to this effect. I will seek to continue the relationship with sflc +18:22 <@quantumsummers> the bulk of this work should be done by a cpa +18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Yes - we cannot afford to pay for legal all the time. +18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, what about the volunteers we had ? +18:22 <+antarus> How much do you expect to spend on 501c3? +18:23 <@dabbott> It would be nice to find a cpa that is also a gentoo user that we can get a sliding scale / discount +18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is it worth approaching your CPA for a quote for the work ? +18:24 <@quantumsummers> antarus: total cost is conservatively $5k for this with some variation on location +18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, for 5k I feel I would like to get it done and over with ... we are already overdue +18:25 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I think we need a professional service, with contracts that say you will do these things by these dates. +18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we will never get that pro-bono +18:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I fully concur +18:26 <@quantumsummers> sflc is great, but we need more support than they can offer +18:26 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: can we get 3 bids to do the work ? +18:27 <@quantumsummers> its likely that we could get numerous bids, yes +18:27 <@dabbott> is that something you could put together +18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, then lets take some of the work away from them and fund a CPA to do it with an agreed deadline +18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> ie. a contract +18:27 <@robbat2> aye from me too +18:28 <@quantumsummers> antarus: we should have some introduction to some west coast talent? +18:28 <+antarus> quantumsummers: not following you +18:28 <+antarus> you want me to recommend a cpa? +18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Is west coast talent special ? +18:28 <@quantumsummers> robbat2 anyone come to mind? +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> antarus, sure +18:29 <@quantumsummers> antarus: do you know anyone familiar with gentoo? +18:29 <@dabbott> antarus: yes please +18:29 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, i'm up in Canada, no suitable suggestions +18:29 <+antarus> the only CPA I know is in texas +18:29 <+antarus> and I wouldn't recommend him ;p +18:29 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: who does osuosl work with? +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +18:29 <@quantumsummers> :) +18:29 <+antarus> I imagine the osuosl has university lawyers and cpas +18:30 <+antarus> That is how this org I know at Michigan State U. worked +18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Let me sum up so far ... +18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> We will take some of our work away from SFLC and contract with one or more CPAs to complete these work items for an agreed fixed price and an agreed date +18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> We could even use it as a way to audition CPAs +18:33 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we should publish a formal request for quote +18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to suggest that SFLC be given the opportunity to bid for the work too +18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes - every CPA needs to get the same form of words. If we put all the work items in one document, we need to make it clear we may 'cherry pick' from responses +18:34 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: what is the first thing you would like see completed +18:34 <+antarus> is there a list of work documented somewhere? +18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> antarus, we know what we have fed into SFLC +18:36 <@quantumsummers> initial discovery, financial discovery, form assembly and narrative writing (we have a lot of writing already), full internal documentation and budget. +18:37 <@quantumsummers> then, 1023 document submission +18:37 <@quantumsummers> then we wait 2-6 months +18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds like it can't be broken up +18:38 <@quantumsummers> we then either: receive temp letter OR receive rejection. if rejected we can appeal in court +18:38 <@quantumsummers> if we are granted temp status we will have to provide whatever they want within 30 day so request +18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, isn't SFLC handling an appeal just now ? +18:38 <@quantumsummers> at that point its cool breeze +18:38 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, that is correct +18:39 <@NeddySeagoon> that may want a lot of their resource +18:39 <@quantumsummers> I think we will want at least an 18 month contract with the firm that wins the bid +18:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets take the 501c3 away from SFLC +18:41 <@dabbott> Put it out for bids so we can find someone more accountable +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> My problem with a term contract is we don't know what we want during the term ... there is a base load, which we can predict, and all the pop ups. Or will the pop ups go away soon? +18:42 <@robbat2> for a CPA, how much pop up is there actually? +18:42 <@robbat2> legal has pop-up work yes, but not CPA stuff from what I can see +18:43 <@quantumsummers> hard to predict pop ups +18:43 <@robbat2> there's the 501c3, our tax return presumably, and quarterly financial reports (which we're nearly a year behind on) +18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, maybe not a lot ... but I don't understand the split as it all goes to SFLC at the moment +18:44 <+antarus> is there a difference in pop-up work for a 501c3 vs what we have now? +18:44 <+antarus> I assume we have some idea of our previous pop-up load +18:44 <@robbat2> i can't think of any CPA-specific pop-up load previously +18:44 <@quantumsummers> yes, it was mostly licensing or legal policy documents that popped up +18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets let it ride until we have a new Treasurer in place ... I'm aware that quantumsummers is holding two offices and its too much. Hopefully we can appoint a new Treasuer in April +18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> otherwise quantumsummers will be the point of contact and it will be harder to get the new guy to take over the work +18:46 <@dabbott> I agree quantumsummers needs to be able to devote his time to this issue and not be spread out +18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +18:48 <@quantumsummers> I appreciate this, and will put together the necessary bits to get this settled finally. +18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you need a Treasuer exit plan too. Thats easier when you are not in the middle of something +18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Summary ... +18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Donation to SFLC +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Funding a CPA to complete our 501c3 application and routine CPA work for some period afterward +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that where we have got to ? +18:50 <@quantumsummers> yes +18:51 <@quantumsummers> where funding this endeavor requires a rfq to be written +18:52 <@quantumsummers> proposal to be presented at the april meeting +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I appreciate you can take this forward yourself but you might find you become Treasurer and we get a new Secretary because its easier to get out of that role. Think about how involved you get short term +18:53 <@quantumsummers> we need a committee for this +18:53 <@quantumsummers> or better, a team +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, agreed - there is no harm in doing the proposal ... just don't get bolted into the role unless you want to keep it +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> until the 501c3 is done and dusted anyway +18:54 <@robbat2> i thought that was what the financials/treasurer request for help was supposed to be previously, has any success come from that? +18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, we have 5 responses but we have been slow following up +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more on SFLC ? +18:57 <@quantumsummers> not at this time +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, We should stop SFLC working on our 501c3 application ... it will be wasted work ... of course, we can pay them to complete it +18:59 <@quantumsummers> I do not think they are working on it presently to be plain +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Unless there are any Urgent bugs can we skip Agenda Item 4 Bugs. We are an hour in already +18:59 <@dabbott> fine by me +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I agree - but its only polite to stop them wasting resource +19:00 <@quantumsummers> ok. I will send them a note. +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business +19:00 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Zyxware Technologies Request to be added as an official CD/DVD vendor +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Those in favour please say Aye +19:00 * NeddySeagoon Aye +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> its an 'at cost' service +19:01 <@dabbott> OK +19:01 <@quantumsummers> looks fine to me, yes +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm not sure they will get many takers for CDs but the liveDVD may do well. +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats 3 in favour - carried +19:03 <@dabbott> I will update vendor page +19:03 <@quantumsummers> dabbott thanks +19:03 <@dabbott> I can send them an email also same time +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Link exchange (www.webhostingsearch.com) ... we voted on the list to refuse this +19:03 <@robbat2> aye +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> This is just the public record ove the vote +19:04 <@quantumsummers> right +19:04 <@dabbott> Link exchange no +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Documentation licensing violation - I've been slacking. I need to follow this up with an email, as I offerd +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers . Kevin McCarthy ... All in favour +19:05 <@dabbott> yes Kevin McCarthy signals +19:06 <@quantumsummers> yes +19:06 * NeddySeagoon Aye +19:06 <@robbat2> aye +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Community Members Fernando V Orocu (likewhoa) +19:06 <@robbat2> aye +19:06 * NeddySeagoon Aye +19:06 <@dabbott> yes +19:06 <@quantumsummers> no .. I mean hell yeah! :D +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:06 <@quantumsummers> likewhoa has done a trmendous job +19:07 <@quantumsummers> kudos to he and his team +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa++ +19:07 <@dabbott> my hero +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Apr 2011 19:00 UTC +19:07 <@dabbott> OK here +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats our AGM. We need officers reports. President, Treasuer and Secretary +19:08 <@robbat2> aye from me +19:08 <@robbat2> (on meeting date) +19:08 <@dabbott> anything I can help with quantumsummers ^^^ +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do the next 12 months Meeting calaner too +19:08 <@quantumsummers> dabbott Yes! :) +19:08 <@quantumsummers> 4/17 is fine by me +19:08 <@dabbott> delegate :) +19:09 <@quantumsummers> tax day is 4/15, I may be drunk ;) +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +19:09 <@robbat2> i've got one bit that's best handled by email, just routine to get nightmorph a refund for the DVD spindle he bought for SCALE9x that we used to burn LiveDVDs +19:09 <@robbat2> i'll file it as a bug w/ the recipeit +19:09 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: cool +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, fine +19:10 <@dabbott> ok +19:10 <@quantumsummers> hey robbat2, do you think we could discuss running a small django app on infra? +19:10 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, yup, post-meeting +19:11 <@robbat2> no other AOB from me +19:11 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I want to mention calculate linux. I had a /query with one of their devs and pointed out the issues with nvidia-drivers and flash. We may get an email from them +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> They are a Russian Gentoo Offshoot +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities ... +19:12 <@dabbott> I will update the motions page and prepare next months agenda +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log, write the welcome emails and write to the site hosting our Gentoo IPv6 Router Guide +19:13 <@dabbott> only one item on the agenda correct? +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, election of a Treasurer ... Meetings calendar +19:14 <@quantumsummers> agm? +19:14 <@dabbott> plus our AGM. We need officers reports. President, Treasuer and Secretary +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Everyone ok with 3rd Sunday at 19:00 UTC still ? +19:14 <@robbat2> yup +19:14 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: sure +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Annual General Meeting - its the only meeting we are legally required to hold +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +19:16 <@robbat2> two notifications re infra for open floor, i want on the log due to budget implications +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, contine ... +19:17 <@robbat2> 1. the test RAM replacement in the Atom went great, the stability massively improved. we're seeing how many of the other atom servers now need the HCL-listed RAM for better stability +19:17 <@quantumsummers> that is easily within th einfra budget +19:17 <@robbat2> 2. in 3-6 months, infra intends to resume discussions on new large hardware for OSL. we discussed this last year, but it petered out +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, why the wait ? +19:18 <@robbat2> cleaning up power usage and rack space prior to then +19:18 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: what wattage will be available +19:18 <@quantumsummers> ? +19:18 <@robbat2> somewhere between 1.5 and 5A +19:19 <@quantumsummers> good current +19:19 <@quantumsummers> :) +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, this ties in with the email to arch leads about their wish lists ? +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, @ 110v or 220? +19:19 <@quantumsummers> 110 +19:19 <@robbat2> this would be replacements for dev.g.o (woodpecker) and masterdistfiles.g.o (osprey) +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> :( +19:20 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: have you looked at the supermicro quadnode 2U? +19:20 <@robbat2> i'm trying to pursue some hardware sponsors/discounts before we go further anyway +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds good +19:21 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, these need to be singular beefy boxes mainly +19:21 <@quantumsummers> oh, many disks +19:22 <@robbat2> that's all +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for open floor ? +19:22 * NeddySeagoon bangs the closing gavel diff --git a/2011/20110417_gentoo-trustees.log.txt b/2011/20110417_gentoo-trustees.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..1a3918e --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110417_gentoo-trustees.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,290 @@ +18:36 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to call the 2011 AGM to order +18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> roll call +18:37 <@dabbott> present +18:37 <@robbat2|na> present +18:37 <@quantumsummers> here +18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, said he may not be able to attend, so lets start +18:37 <@quantumsummers> ok +18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> The presidents report is at http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/PresidentsReport2011_2.xml I'll allow a minute or so for reading +18:41 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve NeddySeagoon's Presidents Report. Nice job Roy, well done. +18:41 <@robbat2|na> Seconded +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> vote +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +18:41 <@robbat2|na> Aye +18:41 <@dabbott> Yes +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +18:42 <@quantumsummers> aye +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried. +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Are you ready with the Secretaries report ? +18:42 <@quantumsummers> I have emailed my Secretary's report. Have not had a chance to xml it yet. +18:43 * NeddySeagoon checks mail +18:43 <@quantumsummers> further, I am on a machine where I have no keys. So, if someone wants to place it in your webspace, it would be appreciated +18:43 <@quantumsummers> I think it may need to be text-wrapped +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can you pastebin it please for the wider readership +18:44 <@quantumsummers> sure +18:45 <@quantumsummers> http://dpaste.com/532989/ +18:46 <@quantumsummers> format is not too nice +18:46 <@quantumsummers> let me see if I can clean it up a bit +18:46 <@robbat2|na> s/None with NW/None with NM/ +18:46 <@quantumsummers> yes, thanks robbat2|na +18:47 <@dabbott> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/373453/ +18:47 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott that is much better +18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, It looks pretty comprehensive. I move to adopt the content of the Secretaries report +18:48 <@robbat2|na> "Consider filing for operations in the state of Missouri." I have a question +18:48 <@robbat2|na> what happens to any mail that would presently go to our address of record? +18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> it will be forwarded - probably to Josh whichis something we need to fix +18:49 <@robbat2|na> ok +18:49 <@quantumsummers> the goal is to get the mail, period. So, we will need to adjust the NM address. +18:49 <@robbat2|na> yes +18:49 <@robbat2|na> along with filing the update paperwork for NM +18:50 <@quantumsummers> exactly +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> yes - we can do that now the election is over +18:50 <@robbat2|na> no other questions. i second to adopt the content. +18:50 <@quantumsummers> the MO registration is for convenience, and does not effect our NM sitation +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Apparenty, NM wanted routine filings first and updates separately later +18:51 <@quantumsummers> further, I volunteer my POBox for gentoo usage +18:51 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that is correct, Josh and I talked about it (and since each one is $10 we thought we should wait until things settled) +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote to accept the content of the Secretaries report please +18:52 <@dabbott> yes +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> yes +18:52 <@robbat2|na> aye +18:52 <@quantumsummers> yes +18:52 <@quantumsummers> one note +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried. It needs to be XMLified for the commit +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, swap hats ... The treasuers report please +18:53 <@quantumsummers> I have another meeting on the 18th with my CPA who has talked informally with the IRS regarding the situation (annonymously) +18:53 <@dabbott> I can do that and sent it to quantumsummers +18:53 <@quantumsummers> thank you dabbott, if you don't mind I appreciate it +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you want to hold it over to the next meeting ? +18:54 <@quantumsummers> I note in the Sec report that the Treasurers report is pending +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Next meeting then +18:54 <@quantumsummers> I can work on it next week, I need the latest statement +18:54 <@quantumsummers> from cap1, that is +18:54 <@quantumsummers> final note from me: +18:55 <@quantumsummers> in conversations, the CPAs that I have spoken with are fully confident that we will have no real issue obtaining proper status, and they estimate 8 months from filing date for finalization +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks. We just have to find the IRS fees and CPA fees then :) +18:56 <@quantumsummers> Once I have the meeting on the 18th, I will prepare the submission to the board. Should take a week. +18:56 <@quantumsummers> I have bids from 2 firms, still waiting on 2 more +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sounds like things are moving at last ... well done +18:57 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers :) +18:57 <@quantumsummers> nice thing, once we get settled, it will take <30 days to get the app submitted +18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Trustee Election Results +18:57 <@quantumsummers> further, that will be easy to parallelize with the 990s +18:57 <@quantumsummers> please continue +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2 and quantumsummers were reelected for a further 2 year term +18:58 * quantumsummers thanks the electorate. +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0 filled the seat vacated by tsunam +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a vote of thanks to tsunam for the work he put in over the last 3 years +18:59 <@quantumsummers> seconded +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +18:59 <@robbat2|na> aye +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +18:59 <@quantumsummers> aye +18:59 <@dabbott> yes yes +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> And welcome rich0 to te team +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> That covers item 4 too +19:00 <@quantumsummers> Welcome Mr. Freeman, glad to have you. +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 Trustee Meeting Calendar +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> The proposal is to carry on with the routine we have settled into. I may have an issue with June 17 as my wife wants us to be away around then +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> June 19* +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to make any changes right now ? +19:03 <@robbat2|na> my calender for the rest of 2011 fits with the proposed dates +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, thats as good as it gets +19:03 <@dabbott> dates are fine by me +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +19:04 <@quantumsummers> looking +19:05 <@quantumsummers> those dates look fine +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose we adopt the meetings calander then +19:05 <@dabbott> seconded +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Independence Day and Thanksgiving are avoided +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +19:06 <@robbat2|na> aye +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +19:06 <@dabbott> yes +19:06 <@quantumsummers> aye +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried +19:06 <@quantumsummers> One thing: +19:07 <@quantumsummers> I do think we should move the AGM to follow the end of our fiscal year next year +19:07 <@quantumsummers> I think it would simplify certain reporting requirements +19:07 <@quantumsummers> i.e. the treasurers report would be the annual tax statements + other related info +19:08 <@quantumsummers> we can discuss this at another time, its not a big deal. +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I was wondering about that. The April date comes from holding the meeting in 2008 as soon as the elections were in, as several years had been missed +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Its been annual ever since +19:08 <@quantumsummers> it would be nice to simplify reporting to include the mandated annual reports and publish those in the AGM +19:09 <@quantumsummers> I see. Just a suggestion. :) +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Agreed. That would make either July or Aug the AGM then ? +19:09 <@dabbott> What month May ? +19:09 <@quantumsummers> Fiscal year end is June +19:09 <@dabbott> ok so July +19:09 <@quantumsummers> Our filing deadline is Nov 15th +19:10 <@quantumsummers> anytime in there should be fine +19:10 <@quantumsummers> Might be easier on the future Treasurer to do Aug. +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> We are allowed 13 months between AGMs by law, so we can slip it a month per year +19:11 <@robbat2|na> but nothing says you can't have more than one in a calendar year +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, true +19:11 <@quantumsummers> that can easily account for time required to summarize the financials if we choose the Aug date. +19:11 <@dabbott> :) +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, We will need an interim meeting then. +19:12 <@robbat2|na> August is a little busy for me w/ 3 conferences (that don't conflict with the proposed meeting date), but no other objections +19:12 <@quantumsummers> hmm, well Sept, Oct or Nov work too +19:12 <@robbat2|na> keep it proposed as August +19:12 <@dabbott> Motion: Add second AGM Sept 18 +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 AoB +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I have an iyem ot two +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> item* +19:13 <@quantumsummers> ok. i second dabbott's motion +19:13 <@quantumsummers> to add the interim AGM in Sept +19:13 <@quantumsummers> err, AUG +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> This year only - yes ? +19:13 <@quantumsummers> yes. +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +19:13 <@robbat2|na> aye +19:13 <@dabbott> yes +19:14 <@quantumsummers> aye for August +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 AoB +19:14 <@quantumsummers> then 2012 meeting will be in Aug. +19:14 <@quantumsummers> sorry :D +19:14 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: sir, please continue +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> DVDs for Linux-Tag Can we vote on this please as time is short +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Proposal to suppoy 100 DVDs +19:15 <@quantumsummers> Motion: fund ^ +19:15 <@dabbott> Motion: Fund DVDs for Linux-Tag +19:15 <@robbat2|na> is 100 going to be enough? +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, The estimate was 50-100 +19:16 <@dabbott> a3li: ^ +19:16 <@quantumsummers> if we went with usb drives we could purchase a larger number of them ... though they are several orders of magnitude more money +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to do the experiment to see what the waste (if any) is like +19:16 <@robbat2|na> We did 50 at SCALE, and LinuxTag is larger than SCALE +19:16 <@robbat2|na> by a lot +19:16 <@quantumsummers> I would be happy with 200 +19:16 <@dabbott> yes 200 is fine +19:16 <+a3li> if you are willing to provide 200, I'm of course happy about that +19:17 <@quantumsummers> or more really, but likely not more than 500 +19:17 <@robbat2|na> what other events do we have this year for potential wastage to get used up? +19:17 <+a3li> 100 is what we handed out at least last year +19:17 <@quantumsummers> linuxcon is this year. +19:17 <+a3li> froscon, CCC camp, 28c3 +19:17 <@robbat2|na> (in EU, to avoid shipping) +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> OK - quantity 200 +19:17 <@quantumsummers> in Vancouver :) +19:17 <@quantumsummers> ok... 200 second that motion +19:17 <+a3li> we can arrange for storage with the other EU promo material +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> If the Foundation going to place the order or refund a3li ? +19:18 <@quantumsummers> a3li: you are happy with 200? I know a few devs that could take some to local events in EU +19:18 <+a3li> quantumsummers: I am +19:18 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: I do not have that kind of petty cash +19:18 <@quantumsummers> good question. It should be easy enough for me to pay +19:19 <@quantumsummers> we need a stinkin card' +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to purchase 200 DVDs for use in europe +19:19 <@quantumsummers> seconded +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +19:19 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: http://www.linuxpusher.com/distribution/100xgentoo-linuxtag-2011-dvd +19:19 <@quantumsummers> aye +19:19 <@robbat2|na> aye +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +19:19 <@dabbott> yes +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried +19:20 <@quantumsummers> dabbott which arch should I choose, 100 of each? +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can you place the order soonest please +19:20 <@quantumsummers> the 32bit is the hybrid right? +19:20 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I can do it on Monday, no problem +19:20 <+a3li> dabbott: 10.2 doesn't sound right +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Its 11.1 +19:20 <@robbat2|na> confirm w/ linuxpusher to be sure, but I think it's the hybrid +19:20 <@quantumsummers> a3li: where do I ship them? (email me) +19:20 <@quantumsummers> kk, I will confirm +19:20 <+a3li> quantumsummers: check your inbox +19:20 <+a3li> quantumsummers: (already sent) +19:21 <@quantumsummers> thanks +19:21 <@quantumsummers> so we are looking at ~$550 +19:21 <@quantumsummers> not bad really +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, Does linuxpusher have artwork ? +19:21 <@robbat2|na> re LinuxCon North America, i don't know if they have community booths, but I can make inquiries via my connections if we want, but I can't man a booth on my own +19:21 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: he has a 11 cd label for the actual CD +19:21 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: double check with klavs he responds fast +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> a3lifine +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li fine +19:22 <@quantumsummers> ok +19:22 <+a3li> I understand that he does some outer casing as well? +19:22 <+a3li> for that there is no artwork yet +19:22 <+a3li> or is it just plain white paper sleeves? +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, to keep the shipping weight down its DVDs and sleeves +19:23 <+likewhoa> guys we have an 11.1 with gnome3,2.6.38 and latest kde-4.6.2 why not burn those and hand them out or is that still a no go since gnome3 from overlay? +19:24 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: so paper or plastic? and printed or not? +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, How well tested is it ? +19:24 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: I would love to attend. I am considering submitting a paper anyway +19:24 <@dabbott> from klavs +19:24 <@dabbott> I'll package the 100 DVD's on a spindle - and put the 100 CD-pockets +19:24 <@dabbott> in the package if that's ok? +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, Not sure +19:24 <+likewhoa> NeddySeagoon: looks solid to me but i am going to refine it tonight +19:25 <+a3li> dabbott: I guess I'll ask for clarification then +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, it would raise false expectaions, so I'm not keen to put gnome3 out yet +19:25 <+likewhoa> only problem i found which i am going to file a bug about is the 'power management' section in kde is empty but since suspend/hibernate was turned off it shouldn't matter +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, ~arch is ok - we should show Gentoo off as best we can +19:26 <+likewhoa> NeddySeagoon: understood, when are you planning to purchase the dvds? +19:26 <@quantumsummers> Monday I believe +19:26 <@dabbott> Monday so they get them in time :) +19:26 <+likewhoa> ok that doesn't give me enough time to update 11.0 then +19:27 <@robbat2|na> i think go with 11.0 then +19:27 <@quantumsummers> fine by me +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, we don't want to squeeze production and pat for express frieght +19:27 <@dabbott> 11.0 is solid likewhoa ++ +19:27 <+likewhoa> robbat2|na: btw how are the stat downloads on mirrors? +19:27 <@robbat2|na> likewhoa, i can get you stats for bouncer only +19:28 <+likewhoa> i just been watching torrents robbat2|na +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> The otherthing I had was the request for funding for MIPS boxes. Please read the email traffic +19:28 <+a3li> while asking for details, should I inform klavs about the increased qty or will you do that? +19:29 <@dabbott> a3li: go ahead and tell him what you want +19:29 <@quantumsummers> a3li: I have not received your email +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> A single point of contact would be good +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't want klavs hearing different things from different people +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it was sent days ago +19:30 <@dabbott> livedvd-x86-amd64-32ul-11.0.iso < I think this is the one you want +19:30 <+a3li> quantumsummers: the address is in my first email +19:30 <@quantumsummers> oh, heh +19:30 <@quantumsummers> :D +19:30 <+likewhoa> yea the hybrid one will be good for everyone +19:30 <@quantumsummers> cool +19:31 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: anymore AoB? +19:32 <@dabbott> sorry NeddySeagoon the mips box +19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Will you be our single point of contact with klavs please, since you will be placing the order +19:32 <@quantumsummers> I can do that, NeddySeagoon +19:32 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: do you imply that I shall not send email? +19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, just to remind everyone to read emails on the request for MIPS boxes +19:32 <@robbat2|na> the MIPS box bit should be a public bug (as text), but i have no objections, since the SWARM boards are good and mattst88 has them already +19:33 <@quantumsummers> a3li: go ahead and email with the quantity +19:33 <@quantumsummers> I will followup +19:33 <+a3li> kk +19:33 <@quantumsummers> make sure to CC trustees +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, not directly to klavs please. quantumsummers can collect the info and passit all on with the order +19:33 <@quantumsummers> ah, very well +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, it avoids scewups +19:34 <@quantumsummers> no prob +19:34 <@quantumsummers> as long as I don't screw it up :D +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, heh +19:34 <+a3li> so, please ask what is printed. only media labels? or also case/sleeve/whatever labels? +19:34 <@quantumsummers> a3li: sure +19:35 <@quantumsummers> sounds like its just the dvds +19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have any AoB ? +19:35 <@quantumsummers> nope +19:35 <@quantumsummers> for once :) +19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, any AoB ? +19:36 <@dabbott> no +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, your turn +19:36 <@robbat2|na> no AoB from me, the StartSSL stuff is on the bug & mail alias +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, yep, I saw it on the alias +19:36 <@quantumsummers> that is a nice deal +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Open floor +19:36 <@quantumsummers> and for the record +19:37 <@quantumsummers> the ads system can accommodate varying values +19:37 <@quantumsummers> in a randomly equitable manner +19:37 * quantumsummers done +19:37 <@quantumsummers> Any open floor? +19:37 * quantumsummers is a tad surprised +19:38 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the AGM diff --git a/2011/20110515_gentoo-trustees.log.txt b/2011/20110515_gentoo-trustees.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..ace23bf --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110515_gentoo-trustees.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,578 @@ +18:17 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the meeting +18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +18:17 * NeddySeagoon is here +18:17 <@dabbott> here +18:17 * quantumsummers_ is present +18:18 <@rich0> here with five bars :) +18:18 * quantumsummers_ pokes robbat2 +18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, we have quorum, lets go. robbat2 will catch up +18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers its all yours. Item 3 old business +18:20 <@quantumsummers_> ok +18:21 <@quantumsummers_> I had mentioned previously the general cost of CPA assistance as well as the filing fee +18:21 <@robbat2> sorry few mins delay, real life, still afk +18:21 <@quantumsummers_> np, robbat2 +18:22 <@quantumsummers_> I have made it fairly far into the finances, still working on this years stuff, but its not technically finished (the fiscal year) +18:22 <@quantumsummers_> sent the paypal thing to you guys for some reference +18:22 <@quantumsummers_> sooo, I have a few things to propose +18:23 <@quantumsummers_> 1. Based on the general costs of CPA assistance coming all within the same range, I propose we engage KPM for our CPA <- Motion. Can I get a second? +18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Seconded +18:24 <@quantumsummers_> Please call the vote Mr. NeddySeagoon +18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is that the CPA you normaly work with ? +18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote for KPM for our CPA +18:24 <@quantumsummers_> for reference I use this CPA for both my personal and all business activities ( 3 business) +18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +18:24 <@quantumsummers_> aye +18:24 <@rich0> aye +18:25 <@dabbott> yes +18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried +18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, what contract term ? +18:25 <@quantumsummers_> its a project rate essentially +18:25 <@quantumsummers_> which works in our favor I belive +18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. Not a fixed time period +18:26 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, this is them correct http://www.kpmcpa.com/ +18:26 <@quantumsummers_> pay per filing, not a fixed time +18:26 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott yes +18:26 <@quantumsummers_> I have been working with them for 5 year now +18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do they want a link on the foundation page ? +18:26 <@quantumsummers_> their rates were comparable or lower than others +18:26 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: they did not request anything like that +18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we offer ? In the spirit of openness we should post who we employ +18:27 <@robbat2> back +18:27 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I can see if they are interested, sure. +18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Please continue +18:28 <@quantumsummers_> in any event, I doubt they will mind if we post we are contracting with them +18:28 <@robbat2> aye for KPM as CPA from me +18:29 <@quantumsummers_> 2. I propose we file as a corporation in the state of Missouri. Reasons as follows; I can more easily manage finances with a local bank account. It will let us use my office and PO Box (free of charge) as legal "headquarters", and since there is no one in NM we could at some point wind that down. <- Motion. +18:30 <@quantumsummers_> this should make things somewhat easier, and we can get mail +18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is this as well as or instead of NM +18:30 <@rich0> clarify - we will incorporate in both? +18:30 <@quantumsummers_> the NM entity will remain in existence until it is obsolete +18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you propose to continue as treasurer ? +18:31 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: we are incorporated in NM, the motion is to file for incorporation in MO additionally +18:31 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I think that is a good idea at this point +18:31 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps I should transition from Secretary +18:31 <@robbat2> what tax implications does it have? +18:31 <@rich0> fine as long as it doesnt add a great paperwork burden +18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm worred about both the workload and the 'bus factor' ... +18:31 <@quantumsummers_> simple filing for MO +18:32 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: ^ both to incorporate and file taxes +18:32 <@rich0> nm doent seem bad - most of the issue is federal +18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, does this mean we have to do annual filings in both states ? +18:32 <@quantumsummers_> that is correct, however it will make it easier to have an official location where a trustee lives +18:33 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes, but its a single page deal, very simple +18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok. +18:33 <@rich0> seems to me that if we get the irs under control the states just follow, but nokt familiar with mi +18:33 <@quantumsummers_> main reason is banking, impo +18:33 <@quantumsummers_> Missouri is a favorable state to non-profit corporations +18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Seconded than we incorporate in Mo as well as NM +18:34 <@rich0> ok, aye from me +18:34 <@quantumsummers_> its like filing to do official business in the state +18:34 <@robbat2> aye from me +18:34 <@quantumsummers_> which has beneficial side effect of making banking much easier. +18:34 <@dabbott> aye from me also +18:34 <@quantumsummers_> aye +18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I would really like to see you divest yourself of one of yur officer roles to make the Foundation more robust +18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +18:34 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I would like that too +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried +18:35 <@quantumsummers_> thanks +18:35 <@quantumsummers_> #3 +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, lets repost the ad you responded to +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> see if we can't get an 'outdider' +18:35 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: ok. +18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> outsider +18:36 <@quantumsummers_> I think the secretary role should go to someone in the US, since its a signatory role +18:36 <@quantumsummers_> rather important +18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, agreed +18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you have some more +18:36 <@quantumsummers_> though we should solicit for an assistant secretary +18:37 <@quantumsummers_> maybe dabbott or rich0 want the Secretary job? +18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> sure. If we get two applicants we can appoint them both +18:37 <@quantumsummers_> I will still support my membership webapp, although I hope to deprecate it with the GSoC work this summer +18:37 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: sounds good +18:37 <@rich0> do noot mind, but let me review. not a bad idea to post it. +18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to get a Gentoo outsider if we can - split the officer / trustee relaionship +18:38 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we just need to be careful, that is all. +18:38 <@quantumsummers_> ok great, so #3 +18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, understood +18:39 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: agree outsider would be good +18:39 <@quantumsummers_> In the case that in working through with the CPA, there may be some potential we need to engage an attorney that specializes in taxes. I do not have one in mind at this time (although I work with a few locally that have that specialty in house). +18:40 <@quantumsummers_> a few firms I mean +18:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that likely ? +18:40 <@quantumsummers_> so, there is potential that would reduce our back taxes burden, in the case that the IRS "sticks it to us" so to speak +18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> How does "attorney" translate into English ... solicitor or barrister ? +18:41 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I do not know for certain. I think its possible, but we will not know until we start filing things +18:42 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: hmm, well that is a good question. An attorney is here is licensed and a member of the Bar association. +18:42 <@quantumsummers_> which is to say that they are able to legally practice +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> A solicitor employs a barrister (at geat cost) for special things. +18:43 <@quantumsummers_> barrister goes to court, right? +18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> both go to court +18:43 <@quantumsummers_> we do not have that distinction in the US +18:43 <@quantumsummers_> that I am aware of anyway +18:43 <@rich0> yup, we just have expensive and cheap lawyers, relatively +18:43 <@quantumsummers_> I do not believe the cost would be great. +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - I think I get the picture, In for a penny, in for a pound. It sounds like it is a spend to save thing. +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to do what we need to do to get our 501c3 +18:44 <@quantumsummers_> main thing is we may need an advocate in the case that we need to make a case +18:44 <@quantumsummers_> this relates to back taxes only +18:45 <@rich0> probably best to only engage if cpa recommends +18:45 <@quantumsummers_> not the 501c3 +18:45 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: exactly +18:45 <@quantumsummers_> I just wanted everyone to be aware of the possibility +18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Have we made enough to be liable for tax - even if we were a for profit ? +18:45 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes. +18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, I'm with rich0 ... +18:46 <@quantumsummers_> the trouble is that the old trustees/officers did not file taxes that we are aware of +18:46 <@quantumsummers_> so, there is a penalty for late filing +18:46 <@robbat2> i have no objections to any findings re needing an attorney for back taxes, per any CPA recommendations +18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> The IRS would know but I would hate to ask +18:46 <@quantumsummers_> I will appraise the board of any necessities regarding legal assistance in this case well ahead of time +18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need a motion ? Since we are emplying a CPA, we would be daft not to follow their advice +18:47 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: you can call the IRS and ask them things, just make sure you remain anonymous +18:47 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: not at this time +18:47 <@quantumsummers_> no motion required yet +18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +18:47 <@rich0> might even ask cpa for recommended lawyerr. i am for. +18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> any more quantumsummers ? +18:48 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: yes, they have a few in house too +18:48 <@quantumsummers_> so, here is the whole enchilada re: back taxes +18:48 <@quantumsummers_> the IRS has a penalty (per day) for late filings with a max of $10,000 per year. +18:48 <@quantumsummers_> I think its $25 per say +18:48 <@quantumsummers_> *day +18:48 <@quantumsummers_> HOWEVER +18:49 <@quantumsummers_> I have been advised that we can make the case that we should not have to pay all that +18:49 <@quantumsummers_> since its a relatively new board, and we are trying to get things straightened out, AND the IRS has not come looking for us as of now. +18:49 <@quantumsummers_> the last bit is key' +18:50 <@quantumsummers_> which is why I was upset by what wltjr was threatening (as it would mean my ass) +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> understood +18:50 <@quantumsummers_> sooo, the real emphasis is that we need to get the ducks in a row as quickly as possible +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, what help do you need ? +18:51 <@quantumsummers_> based on what was decided today, I can get this rolling on Monday, first thing +18:51 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I have everything the CPA has requested. (I have been working with them on this for awhile now, they were not charging us as it was preliminary) +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Can you email the alias with a timescale, when you have one +18:51 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes sir +18:51 <@rich0> sounds good to me. fyi will be akf for 10 mins +18:52 <@quantumsummers_> I am thinking for the back filings 3-5 weeks +18:52 <@quantumsummers_> for the 501c3, 4-6 weels +18:52 <@quantumsummers_> in parallel +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds pretty good +18:52 <@dabbott> sooner the better +18:52 <@quantumsummers_> no joke +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> any more ? +18:53 <@quantumsummers_> Total estimated cost for all the above is conservatively $8000 +18:53 <@quantumsummers_> that includes all filing fees with the states, 501c3 filing fee, CPA fee. It does not include any penalty we may have with the IRS +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats a one time thing ... what about maintainence going forward ? +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> You can't estimate the IRS penalty +18:54 <@quantumsummers_> maintenance going forward will be minimal, once I have everything setup. The general filing cost per year for federal and state taxes is ~$1000 +18:54 <@quantumsummers_> to have the CPA do it +18:54 <@quantumsummers_> maybe a little less if I can get things automated enough +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Go ahead - you have the motion of support +18:54 <@quantumsummers_> working on that for the companies anyway +18:54 <@quantumsummers_> the automation I mean +18:55 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: ok. +18:55 <@quantumsummers_> I have one last thing +18:56 <@quantumsummers_> I would like to have the by laws gone through by an attorney in collaboration with the CPA +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ? +18:56 <@quantumsummers_> not yet +18:56 <@quantumsummers_> I will have the CPA tell me what we need, if anything +18:56 <@quantumsummers_> she will know if we need to have some additional language in there +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Seems line a good idea. +18:56 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, noted +18:57 <@quantumsummers_> if we need additional language I would prefer to have an attorney do it +18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> sure +18:57 <@quantumsummers_> ok, let see... I think that it all +18:57 <@quantumsummers_> any questions +18:57 <@quantumsummers_> ? +18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers you have had a busy month +18:58 <@dabbott> what about contacting one of the accountant volunteers for dual role as asst secretary, one even sent us his resume :) +18:58 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott that is an excellent idea +18:58 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: its my pleasure +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> When do you intend to present the treasurers report ? +18:59 <@quantumsummers_> well, it would be nice to have it done by the CPA when we end our fiscal year, but I can prepare a preliminary report within a week I think +18:59 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, if there is anything we can help with be sure and ask +18:59 <@quantumsummers_> I have the data for this year up to 2 week ago +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, we need something to close the AGM off. We agreed we would have a EGM in August to shift the reporting year +19:00 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott yes thanks, I am bad at that, but will try to make reasonable requests +19:00 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: ok, I will make a report this week then. I will include last fiscal year too, since the CPA will be working on that starting asap +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> the bylaws only let us slip a month per year +19:01 <@quantumsummers_> yes. Sorry for the delay in producing the report +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks. Anything else ? +19:01 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: nothing more from me. +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> next item 4 bugs +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> We need up update our NM filing to remove fmmcor +19:03 <@quantumsummers_> I will do that this week. +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats his business address +19:03 <@quantumsummers_> its $10 +19:03 <@dabbott> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296766 +19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks - now the election results are in +19:03 <@quantumsummers_> we will now use my office as the main physical address, and my PO box as main mailing address +19:04 <@quantumsummers_> I think I can provide a fax number as well, via efax +19:04 <@quantumsummers_> unless anyone has a better service in mind +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Don't we need an in stage NM address too - hence the need for Waye Chew +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> state* +19:04 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes, that is our registered agent +19:04 <@quantumsummers_> his address remains +19:04 <@quantumsummers_> but no mail should go there +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah .. ok. I understand the differene +19:05 <@quantumsummers_> we need an agent in the state at all times to do business there +19:05 <@quantumsummers_> hence why filing in Missouri will be convenient +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, be careful with the fax number. You may get forums coppa forms there. +19:06 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, well that is ok since its all digital +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> 5. New business +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Proposal to build a set of MIPS development computers. +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that we fund this in stages as per the detail I posted to the alias +19:07 <@quantumsummers_> seconded +19:07 <@quantumsummers_> the proposal is well done +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +19:07 <@dabbott> As per mail alias yes +19:07 <@quantumsummers_> aye +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, robbat2 ? +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> carried anyway +19:08 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, nice work with setting that up :) +19:08 <@rich0> aye +19:08 <@robbat2> aye +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> DiscoLibre Venezuela to be listed on the web as vendors. have one question. +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Do they work as per GPL at cost or is it a money making venture ? +19:10 <@dabbott> money making afaik +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, they they need to offer us a % +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I can't read the site. +19:11 <@dabbott> I will email them and find out what they want, official or non official +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> held over until next month +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Larry The Cow - Apply for a Trademark ? +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we, its been around for a long time +19:12 <@quantumsummers_> that will cost approx $2500 +19:13 <@dabbott> What is the procedure +19:13 <@rich0> not sure it is essential. has anybody looked at Debian's logo policy. I like it - they have separate logos for official vs community use and terms for each +19:13 <@quantumsummers_> get an attorney to file the paperwork +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we apply for a trademark then. Its not like the G logo +19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I do not feel the necessity +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I'll put that on my reading list +19:14 <@rich0> I tend to agree - the copyright and derived nature of the mark makes it weak anyway. +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I don't either +19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I can talk to my main attorney about it, informally +19:15 <@rich0> reason I mentioned debian is that their general logo can be used for anybody under certain circumstances - kind of like mozilla's +19:15 <@quantumsummers_> I am going thru it now with some work stiff +19:15 <@quantumsummers_> *stuff +19:15 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: I like that, must read up +19:15 <@rich0> If I burn CDs from the debian official ISOs I can charge $1k and use the community logo, for example +19:15 <@dabbott> I like the idea of one official logo and the more relaxed community logos +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Me too but that does not mean we need to trademake it +19:16 <@rich0> Only debian projects can use the official logos - which are similar but different +19:16 <@dabbott> can we sell Larry the cow logo t-shirts in the store? +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Larray and G and quite different but both associated with Gentoo +19:16 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott sure we can +19:17 <@dabbott> or would that need to be put in a community store +19:17 <@rich0> Still, until we change policy I'm all for following the status quo with DiscoLibre. +19:17 <@quantumsummers_> this reminds me of something, the gentoo-ev site says Gentoo (R) is a registered trademark of Gentoo eV +19:17 <@rich0> And either way I'm not sure Larry is a good mark - we don't even own copyright on it. No harm in using it legally, but not a good way to build an IP base. +19:18 <+a3li> quantumsummers_: what's wrong with that? +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Policy is that if its like GPL, a nominal cost, its fine, we give them a link. If they make money, we want a cut +19:18 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: Gentoo is registered to the Foundation +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thats correct. the e.V own the mark in Europe +19:18 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: yup - no issue with that and any change should be carefully considered +19:18 <+a3li> quantumsummers_: we *do* have a trademark in europe +19:18 <@quantumsummers_> ok then :D +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and its registration there predates the Foundation :) +19:19 <@rich0> though GPL doesn't prohibit making money off of the binaries - it is only the source that has to be nominal cost and only to those you've already sold binaries to +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, true - I was likening it to the GPL. +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more on Lary the Cow +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Memership Applications +19:20 <@dabbott> Yes all three +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> All gentoo devs - Montion at accept +19:21 <@quantumsummers_> aye to all devs +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +19:21 <@rich0> aye +19:21 <@robbat2> aye +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 7 Advertising Requests +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> StartCom +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, this is in exchange for Certs ? +19:22 <@robbat2> startcom bit is on hold atm, so a timeline for a sec +19:22 <@robbat2> StartCom approached us offering certs at greatly discounted (just basically the initial validation cost) +19:23 <@robbat2> the trustees approved that, and at approximately the same time we got an offer from Comodo +19:24 <@robbat2> that was late April +19:25 <@robbat2> i haven't actually spent any more w/ StartCom yet, as I had to get various paperwork in order (their validation is of me directly [passport etc], and then the foundation's corporation stuff) +19:25 < sping> i missed speaking up on larry the cow - can we do a second round on that? i don't feel it has got the needed attention yet as to what i see in the log above +19:25 <@robbat2> in Comodo's favour, they actually use Gentoo +19:26 <@robbat2> sping, wait for open floor +19:26 < sping> robbat2: sure +19:26 <@robbat2> StartCom uses linux, but hasn't said anything about Gentoo in specific +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> why would we choose one rather than the other ? +19:28 <@robbat2> i need to follow up w/ Comodo to see if they would offer us similar stuff to what StartCom would (basically unlimited certs), as their initial email wasn't conclusion +19:28 <@rich0> I think Comodo's offer was better (free I think - but not certain on the details / comparison). My biggest concern was that we said yes to StartCom already. I don't like saying yes and then saying "wait, we got a better offer." +19:29 <@robbat2> mainly my concern is that startcom asked for what I consider to be a LOT of my personal information after I got started w/ them +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I'm with you there +19:29 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: that would bother me too +19:29 <@rich0> robbat2: if the concern is over the details (personal info, etc), then I see that as grounds for reconsideration. +19:29 <@quantumsummers_> there is no reason for it since we are incorporated +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, Why - Its gentoo they are certifying. Not an individual +19:30 <@rich0> we should in any case make sure that Comodo isn't just going to be the same way before canceling work-in-progress +19:30 <@quantumsummers_> exactly the point, they should not tie it to a person, but the organization +19:30 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: are the EV certs? +19:30 <@robbat2> StartCom's model is that people can be really verified, while organizations are less certain (eg who really is behind an org) +19:31 <@rich0> I can see how they need to verify that the person is legally able to represent the organization. +19:31 <@robbat2> in theory, EV in both offers +19:31 <@quantumsummers_> that is good I guess +19:31 <@rich0> I can call up and say "gimme a hotmail.com cert - MS is a corporation and here is a copy of their public paperwork" +19:31 <@robbat2> they phone the # on the WHOIS records too ;-) +19:31 <@robbat2> which points to me presently +19:32 <@quantumsummers_> ah, as technical contact, yes +19:32 <@rich0> If the personal detail aspect is the same in both cases, then I don't see how we can ethically back out on StartCom unless there is a material change in the agreement. +19:32 <@quantumsummers_> I agree with rich0 here, although I do like the fact that comodo uses gentoo. +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I am fairly protective of my personal data. +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how does it compatre to what CAcert wanted ? +19:33 <@rich0> agreed on liking that aspect of Comodo, and perhaps we should explain the situation to them and see if they're still interested come time of renewal. +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> compare* +19:34 <@robbat2> CACert has seen my id in person during their verification process (many years ago), but explicitly does not keep it or want it to be sent to them +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds fair +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> Then they can't lose it like Sony :) +19:35 <@robbat2> re losing it, my id data for StartCom would be in Israel, and I don't know what control I do have if they lose it +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its your personal info. If you think its overly intrusive. You have my support to drop negiotiations +19:36 <@robbat2> Comodo is US-based, New Jersey, so I have more control of my info there +19:36 <@robbat2> ok, so re handling this: +19:36 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: no control at all, but I have several contacts in the gov't there if things get rough +19:37 <@quantumsummers_> proceed, sorry to interrupt +19:37 <@robbat2> i'll contact Comodo, and see if they can reasonably offer us what StartCom was, without my needing so much of my personal info +19:37 <@robbat2> s/without my/without/ +19:38 <@robbat2> the $50/bi-annual fee that StartCom wanted wasn't a problem, so if they Comodo wants that, that's fine by me +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you are clearly not happy with Startcom and their demands - just drop them. +19:39 <@rich0> I'm fine with switching as long as the reason is the personal info and there is a difference. That wasn't known at the time of the agreement, so I see it as a valid reason to go back if necessary. +19:40 <@rich0> If in the end we do go with Comodo we should still thank StartCom for their offer. They made it sincerely. +19:40 <@robbat2> yes +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm fine with sticking with CAcert if the personal info demands are unreasonable, as judged by robbat2 +19:40 <@rich0> I'm fine with that as well. +19:41 <@robbat2> we do need to move beyond CACert for forums/bugs long term, to make them more accessible to users +19:41 <@robbat2> for the smaller sites, CACert is fine +19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its your call. +19:41 <@robbat2> i'll discuss w/ Comodo and make a more informed decision +19:41 <@robbat2> and inform the board of matters +19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> We will hold over StartCom until next month +19:42 <@quantumsummers_> thanks robbat2 +19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 19th Jun 2011 19:00 UTC +19:42 <@quantumsummers_> +1 +19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I should be ok +19:42 <@dabbott> +1 +19:42 <@robbat2> +1 on my calendar +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, +19:43 <@rich0> +1 - and I should still be free :) +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> :) +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... ? +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +19:44 <@quantumsummers_> none from me (this time ;) ) +19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +19:44 <@robbat2> none from me, but sping is here for some +19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one item +19:44 <@quantumsummers_> yes/ +19:44 < sping> NeddySeagoon: you first +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> we are about to be asked for DVDs for http://softwarelivre.org/fisl12 and a banner if there is one in South Ameraca +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> rafaelmartins will be leading +19:46 <@dabbott> cool +19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> that was my item +19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ? +19:46 <@dabbott> no cool that he is doing it :0 +19:46 <@quantumsummers_> fwiw, fedex-kinkos has nice outdorr vinyl 3'x5x banner for $60 (half price) right now. I made one for my wife's company last week, turned out well. +19:47 < sping> on larry: may I? +19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Gentoo owns 5. International shipping is a PITA +19:47 <@quantumsummers_> ok. +19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, AoB ? +19:47 <@rich0> nothing new for me +19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, 2 minuets +19:48 < sping> NeddySeagoon: what does that mean? +19:48 <@robbat2> 5 banners? i know of 2 of them? where are the other 3? +19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities. I'll post log, wite to new members and mattst88 +19:48 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: thank you. +19:48 <@dabbott> I have the motions +19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I think there are two in Europe +19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor +19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, - your turn +19:49 < sping> i currently understand the EULA of font haed inc on larry's head as a license, not trademark +19:50 < sping> that may mean that we cannot derive artwork from it under creative commons +19:50 < sping> which would be bad for the gentoo pool of artwork +19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, do you have a link to the EULA ? +19:50 < sping> http://www.fonthead.com/license +19:51 < sping> most important point is the one on "primary aspect of a product for resale" probably +19:51 <@quantumsummers_> I think what we may have to do is make our own larry head OR ask them for rights to use that "letter" representation freely. +19:51 < sping> if you have a mug with larries head and "gentoo" below it you may argue about primary aspects +19:52 < sping> we can only get a trademark (or free licensing) in co-op with font head inc, of course +19:52 <@rich0> So, here is my thought - we either are allowed by FontHead or not to use the logo in various ways. Anything we do with trademarks can only take away the rights of others - it cannot do anything to grant rights we don't already have. +19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, we will need to talk with them +19:53 < sping> NeddySeagoon: yes, but we need to know what to ask for before that +19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, correct - we cannot trademark it +19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, do you have any detailed thoughts ? +19:54 <@dabbott> does it make any difference that drobbins was using it before 2009? +19:54 < sping> dabbott: it may if we had a copy of the EULA version from back then. he doesn't have a copy around as to what he said +19:55 <@quantumsummers_> wayback machine have a copy? +19:55 < sping> the current EULA is newer than the font by several years +19:56 < sping> no, see http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.fonthead.com/license +19:56 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20090105180827/http://www.fonthead.com/fonts/Font-Heads +19:56 <@robbat2> that's the earliest I find on archive.org +19:57 <@rich0> Looking at the oldest copy from Feb 2009 on archive.org I don't see it as being any better from a use standpoint. That primary purpose bit could get us. +19:57 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps contact should be made. It may be necessary to purchase the rights or something +19:57 <@rich0> Unless somebody has an even older copy we need to work with them regarding licensing. +19:57 <@quantumsummers_> maybe we can request the old versions? +19:58 <@quantumsummers_> surely they have it. or maybe there is an old tarball lying around with it +19:58 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20070127025807/http://fonthead.com/freeware.php +19:58 <@robbat2> "The typefaces on this page are ones that we want you to use and enjoy free of charge. Use them in your personal and commercial projects, websites, logos or whatever else you are designing. " +19:59 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: nice +19:59 <@robbat2> that 2007 page includes no other limitations +19:59 <@rich0> robbat2: great find +19:59 <@quantumsummers_> so, based on the original license we are free to do whatever +19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, good one +19:59 <@robbat2> so maybe we use it, and contact FontHeads and offer attribution and linking back to them +20:00 <@quantumsummers_> they could in theory argue the case, but since all the artwork pre-dates that document I think we are in the clear +20:00 <@dabbott> robbat2, +1 +20:00 <@robbat2> sping, are you ok with that? +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> we should at least talk to them, so they don't find out for themselves and think we are violating the current EULA +20:01 <@quantumsummers_> Yes we should +20:01 <@quantumsummers_> I wonder about any changes to the font that would force us under the new license. +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, ? +20:01 <@rich0> agreed with this plan. We could in theory just claim copyright on larry then, and license however we wish, since we're not redistributing the font itself +20:02 < sping> i'm thinking, wait +20:02 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: I agree +20:02 <@rich0> It is a derivative work, clearly, but one which they allowed +20:02 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20050424012841/http://www.fonthead.com/freeware.php <--- earliest appearence of the font heads font +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I think thats splitting hairs - we can't claim copyright on someone elses artwork +20:02 <@rich0> I'd recommend circulating any initial contact letter with the trustees before sending. +20:03 < sping> robbat2: does the TTF windows zip download at that page work for you? +20:03 < sping> robbat2: the zip seems to be odd, not sure yet +20:03 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: since its incorporated into a larger work, I think we can. +20:03 <@rich0> Sure we can - larry as a whole is clearly an original creation. Something that is a derivative work is still copyrightable, you just need a license from whoever you derived it from. +20:03 <@robbat2> sping, the link from the 20050424 page does work yes +20:03 <@quantumsummers_> which, based on the original license we have +20:04 <@rich0> You copyright A, I can copyright ABC. I still need your permission to distribute it, but you can't distribute ABC without my permission either. +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> sping it downloads +20:04 <@dabbott> 2007 download works also +20:04 < sping> robbat2: maybe it's just xarchiver troubling, let me see +20:04 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20050424012841/http://www.fonthead.com/freeware_download.php/fontheads-wtt.zip +20:05 <@robbat2> ok, there is a problem +20:05 <@robbat2> in that zipfile there is a more restrictive license than the page +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> The licence is the zip file is quite different to the web page +20:06 < sping> yes, the primary aspect thing is in the 2005 zip file license already +20:06 <@robbat2> sorry to get hopes up w/ the 2007/2005 pages +20:06 <@quantumsummers_> alright, we just need to talk with them in this case. that, or prepare for legal wrangling +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> talk to them first +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> yep +20:07 < sping> robbat2: it's still a great finding +20:07 <@rich0> Yeah, not sure if larry is worth getting in a pitched battle over +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Its not +20:07 <@quantumsummers_> make a new one, that would be the easy way to go if our talks fail +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> yeah +20:08 <@quantumsummers_> pixel shift a bit here and there +20:08 < sping> imho making a new one is no option +20:08 <@quantumsummers_> still retain the iconic look +20:08 <@rich0> It can't just be a pixel-shift. +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that would be a derived work ... +20:08 < sping> pixel shift doesn't help either, it's still derived work +20:08 <@rich0> It has to be clearly defensible as an original creation. +20:09 < sping> actually the version of larry used most looks different already - that came from rectracing from bitmap afaik +20:09 <@rich0> Semblence might be ok in some regards, but the more different the better - at least the face. +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> we won't solve it here and now +20:09 < sping> re-tracing i mean +20:09 < sping> so what are we going to ask font head inc? +20:10 < sping> releasing the head as CC-BY-SA? +20:10 < sping> dropping the primary aspect thing on larry? +20:10 <@quantumsummers_> lets discuss over email and try to get something to them in a week. sound ok? who on the board wants the task? +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> can gentoo use the glyph +20:10 < sping> NeddySeagoon: ? +20:11 < sping> NeddySeagoon: what do you mean? +20:11 <@quantumsummers_> glyph == letter +20:11 <@quantumsummers_> "Font Head people: can we use it?" +20:11 < sping> sure, i don't get the rest of the point +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, Gentoo has used the Larry the Cow glyph for as long as I can remember. As far as I know there was never any agreement with the font owner +20:12 <@quantumsummers_> we simply need to ask them if we can have the right to use the letter for our stuff freely +20:12 <@quantumsummers_> or continue to exercise our right as the case may be +20:13 < sping> NeddySeagoon: i suspect the past usage fit the EULA - in that case no extra agreement would be needed, right? +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and in exchange for attribution +20:13 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: sounds fine to me, and more than they get now +20:13 <@rich0> Might not hurt to include a copy of larry as a whole with the letter. So that they understand that the head is part of a greater work. +20:13 <@robbat2> can somebody trace down our earliest use of Larry? +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, I suspect it does too but after finding that more restivtive licence in the zip file, it may just have been overlooked +20:13 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: you seem to have the knack ;) +20:14 < sping> NeddySeagoon: good point +20:14 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall@206.9.88.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> restrictive* +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you are wearing your Teflon overcoat +20:15 <@rich0> The webpage wording still offers that anybody can use it for almost anything, including as a logo. +20:15 <@rich0> Clearly logos get made into T-shirts and what have you. +20:15 < sping> robbat2: 8 years before at least: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-src/gentoo-web/images/fishhead.gif?hideattic=0&view=markup +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, at best - the licences conflict. That means we should have asked +20:15 <@rich0> So, you could argue that was a license. We should mention that webpage when we contact them. +20:16 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: agree on the SHOULD. +20:16 <@robbat2> ooh, that predates the 2005 link I pasted in +20:16 <@quantumsummers_> bug 27727 +20:16 < willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/27727 "Larry can NOT be a Cow."; Docs-user, Other; RESO, WONT; jensthiede:docs-team +20:16 <@quantumsummers_> http://blog.codefront.net/2004/11/29/larry-the-cow/ +20:16 <@rich0> However, failing to ask does not in inself surrender rights, it just gives up the opportunity to get them explicitly before becoming committed. +20:16 < sping> i can make a letter proposal and send it to trustees@g.o for review +20:16 <@robbat2> Wed Jan 2 20:53:58 2002 UTC (9 years, 4 months ago) +20:17 <@dabbott> sping, that would be super :) +20:17 <@quantumsummers_> super duper even +20:17 <@robbat2> rev 1.1 of the fishhead.gif file is 2 jan 2002 +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, please do. +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Swift is still around - he may know something +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for open floor ? +20:20 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I asked Swift +20:20 <@quantumsummers_> he may join the channel +20:20 <@quantumsummers_> if I caught him in time +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:21 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/200012060909/http://www.fonthead.com/freeware.html <-- new earliest discovery of the fontheads page, but download links are broken there +20:22 <@quantumsummers_> seems like drobbins may have been buddies with those peeps +20:22 < sping> robbat2: the font itself exists since 10-11-2000 at least +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that figures +20:24 < sping> quantumsummers_: how come you think so? +20:24 <@quantumsummers_> didn't he say as much on irc? +20:25 < sping> quantumsummers_: that was referring to another font, not larry's head +20:25 <@quantumsummers_> ah. ok +20:25 < sping> quantumsummers_: if you refer to the custom font by a friend of his family thing +20:25 <@quantumsummers_> ah yes, that is correct +20:26 <@quantumsummers_> getting old, memory is imperfect +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> any more for open floor ? +20:27 <@quantumsummers_> well, I need to attend to some house/marital duties ... anything else to discuss? +20:27 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting + +Post meeting chatter included + +20:27 * rich0 seconds +20:27 <@quantumsummers_> thanks y'all :) +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you everyone +20:27 < sping> any news on forwaring my questions to the lawer contact you have? +20:28 < sping> okay, let's do that with e-mail +20:28 < sping> see you +20:28 <@quantumsummers_> sping: have not heard back yet. I'll poke again. +20:28 -!- SwifT [~Sven@gentoo/user/SwifT] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:28 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+v SwifT] by ChanServ +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, thanks +20:28 <@quantumsummers_> hey SwifT :) +20:28 <+SwifT> hiya +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Hi SwifT +20:28 <+SwifT> so what's the question exactly? +20:29 <@quantumsummers_> SwifT: do you have any info on larry's lineage? +20:29 <@quantumsummers_> mainly regarding licensing for use by Gentoo +20:30 <+SwifT> well, larry was already present in gentoo before I arrived; I can remember that the first larry sign was based on a font, but I'm not sure if that changed since +20:30 <+SwifT> you know, a font where each character is a drawing +20:30 <+SwifT> seemant might know the exacts of this, he was already a senior developer when I joined :) +20:30 <@quantumsummers_> SwifT: yes, we are aware of that now, the font bit anyway +20:30 <@robbat2> we've got it traced back to 2002/01/02 by Gentoo +20:30 <@quantumsummers_> seemant would be good to ask +20:31 <+a3li> might be a bit difficult, quantumsummers_ +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: how's that? +20:31 <+a3li> he basically 'left' gentoo yesterday or so +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> seemant is still around too +20:31 <+a3li> or rather left behind +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> what? +20:31 <+SwifT> heh, trying to look it up redirects me to http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml ;-) +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> Well I missed that somehow +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> I know where to find him outside gentoo +20:31 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: what happened? +20:32 <+SwifT> I'll see if I can dig something up in my e-mail archives, but I'm afraid I won't be of much use more about it +20:32 <+a3li> quantumsummers_: he just wanted to move on, I guess. no details I can share +20:32 <@quantumsummers_> SwifT: thanks all the same +20:32 <+SwifT> np +20:32 -!- SwifT [~Sven@gentoo/user/SwifT] has left #gentoo-trustees [] +20:32 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: huh, odd. +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> hes still on freenode +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll include this post meeting chatter in the log diff --git a/2011/20110619-trustees.log.txt b/2011/20110619-trustees.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..3c48d91 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110619-trustees.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,320 @@ +Jun 19 15:00:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the June 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting +Jun 19 15:00:34 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call, I'm logging. Timestamps are all over the place - its a Xen DomU +Jun 19 15:00:49 <rich0> here, and stationary... :) +Jun 19 15:00:55 <dabbott> here +Jun 19 15:00:58 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, apologies - may be along later +Jun 19 15:01:05 <robbat2> here, logging as well +Jun 19 15:01:21 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start +Jun 19 15:01:31 <NeddySeagoon> Larry Logo | Font News Item? +Jun 19 15:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> Lets fix our site with the agreed attributions first +Jun 19 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> thoughts ? +Jun 19 15:02:14 <robbat2> +1, what bits are left to fix? +Jun 19 15:02:39 <rich0> Plans all seem fine to me - just need to do it I think. +Jun 19 15:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, put the wording on the 403, 404 and artwork page +Jun 19 15:03:12 <NeddySeagoon> we agreed wording and placement +Jun 19 15:03:21 <robbat2> got the msg-id for the final version of the wording quickly? +Jun 19 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon> <1307557321.2923.1@NeddySeagoon> +Jun 19 15:04:18 <robbat2> thx +Jun 19 15:04:28 <robbat2> i'll make it live while we're busy w/ the rest of the meeting +Jun 19 15:04:31 <NeddySeagoon> Ethan just said 'yes' +Jun 19 15:04:39 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 19 15:05:09 <NeddySeagoon> Larry the Cow T Shirt Funding +Jun 19 15:05:40 <NeddySeagoon> +1 from me, now we have the licence sorted out +Jun 19 15:05:40 <dabbott> This should be completed in the next month, will need quantumsummers_ to pay for the shirts +Jun 19 15:06:13 <dabbott> unless there is enough in the account +Jun 19 15:06:34 <robbat2> i think there was a cafepress payout recently, so unsure +Jun 19 15:06:42 <NeddySeagoon> I suppose we should poke known Larry users too ... +Jun 19 15:07:16 <dabbott> maybe we can do the news item all together +Jun 19 15:07:23 <NeddySeagoon> e.g. likewoah for the liveCD and other artists +Jun 19 15:08:00 <dabbott> announce the t shirts along with the announcement +Jun 19 15:08:13 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I like that +Jun 19 15:08:16 <rich0> Is there someplace we track our financial status? We get a lot of requests to fund this and that, and the amounts are generally small, but it is hard to tell exactly how much we have to spend/etc. +Jun 19 15:08:38 <robbat2> quantumsummers_ has a listing i believe, but it would be nice if it was more open +Jun 19 15:08:54 <rich0> Agree that pairing the t-shirt announcement with the larry news is a great idea! +Jun 19 15:08:56 <robbat2> i had an idea of doing something for that w/ him, but never followed up due to lack of free time +Jun 19 15:09:12 <dabbott> I could keep it updated if we were sent the info +Jun 19 15:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, its on the web somewhere but its about 6 months out of date. Its our FY end on 30 June, so quantumsummers_ will be updating then +Jun 19 15:09:31 <rich0> I can understand if we need to keep it somewhat closed. A detailed register should be closed, but summary info probably should be made reasonably public at some point (maybe when our IRS situation is in order). +Jun 19 15:10:17 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we have to file quarterly, that filing is public and its what normally goes on the web +Jun 19 15:10:27 <rich0> Ok, that was a bit offtopic - just the concept of spending money called to my attention that we should probably keep an eye on this stuff. Again, the amounts are low so probably not a big deal. +Jun 19 15:12:19 <NeddySeagoon> we can come back to quantumsummers bit, if/when he shows +Jun 19 15:12:54 <dabbott> It needs to be updated http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml +Jun 19 15:12:59 <NeddySeagoon> That gets us to Bugs. I've been away for 8 days, so I've not done my homework +Jun 19 15:13:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep, quantumsummers_ wanted to wait until FY end +Jun 19 15:14:38 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 351045 +Jun 19 15:14:40 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs +Jun 19 15:15:02 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you missed my lineitem for SSL. on which there is no news +Jun 19 15:15:32 <robbat2> relatedly to the privacy policy, there is a bug filed this week +Jun 19 15:15:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sorry about that. +Jun 19 15:16:21 <robbat2> !bug 372101 +Jun 19 15:16:23 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/372101 "Bugzilla does not obey DIRECTIVE 95/46/EC"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; UNCO; dark:infra-bugs +Jun 19 15:16:35 <robbat2> that's privacy policy +Jun 19 15:16:56 <robbat2> in there I proposed one course of action that the rest of infra seems in favour of +Jun 19 15:17:26 <robbat2> specifically having a privacy page that includes the SSH login banner that you see when you login to any of our boxes +Jun 19 15:17:35 <robbat2> as well as the privacy policy segment from lists.g.o +Jun 19 15:17:53 <NeddySeagoon> I suspect we can't have a privacy policy that works all over the world. +Jun 19 15:17:54 <robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml <-- bottom of the page +Jun 19 15:18:28 <robbat2> ah, Debian has updated theirs to include more disclaimer +Jun 19 15:19:18 <robbat2> complying w/ 95/46/EC fully would neuter Bugzilla entirely, so we need to find a reasonable compromise +Jun 19 15:19:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, has asked the SFLC for an opinion. Lets wait until we get a response +Jun 19 15:19:43 <robbat2> i'll put my draft stuff together prior to that +Jun 19 15:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 19 15:21:00 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 293309 +Jun 19 15:21:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293309 "x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme Gentoo branding (see comment #19)"; Gentoo Linux, GNOME; CONF; fastijum:licenses +Jun 19 15:21:49 <robbat2> comment 24 on there had the question for us +Jun 19 15:21:49 <NeddySeagoon> We should probably fix the usage guidelines as you suggest robbat2 +Jun 19 15:22:34 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see it being used outside of Gentoo +Jun 19 15:23:41 <rich0> I think the key is to have one updated logo usage page and then reference that everywhere else. +Jun 19 15:23:44 <NeddySeagoon> No strong feelings either way - we could just handle requests as they arise +Jun 19 15:24:58 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep, if we have the same info in two places both will be a) wrong and b) contradictory. +Jun 19 15:25:10 <robbat2> proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml <-- seems to be updated for the fonthead bits already, and i'm just committing the 404/410 pages now +Jun 19 15:25:20 <rich0> I think the key should be to define the situations when others can use the logo, and beyond that it is purely by-request. +Jun 19 15:25:36 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep +Jun 19 15:25:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:25:49 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:28:30 <NeddySeagoon> The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. is clearly wrong on that page. Its discussing our logo and trademarks +Jun 19 15:28:31 <rich0> I like sping's wording here. +Jun 19 15:29:16 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we cannot licence our logo under the CC-SA licence +Jun 19 15:30:05 <NeddySeagoon> we should just remove the The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. line in the footer and maybe clarify the reat +Jun 19 15:30:14 <rich0> I was thinking about that +Jun 19 15:30:43 <NeddySeagoon> After all, most of the other text says what is permitted/denied +Jun 19 15:30:43 <robbat2> one request re his wording there +Jun 19 15:30:50 <rich0> Why not just state on ALL pages "Copyright 2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc" and have a license page somewhere with the details. +Jun 19 15:31:07 <rich0> Then we don't have to fit everything in a one-liner on every single page. +Jun 19 15:31:11 <robbat2> rich0, no, CC wants it per-page recalling somewhere in the detailed discussion +Jun 19 15:31:28 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a relicencing mess - we don't want to get into that +Jun 19 15:31:33 <rich0> That license page could have the gory details and suitable disclaimers, references to logo usage, etc. +Jun 19 15:31:43 <robbat2> but I'd like to trim: "Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alive 2.5" to CC-BY-SA-2.5 +Jun 19 15:31:53 <rich0> I'm not suggesting that we change the license, only that we link to it instead of writing it on every page. Just a thought. +Jun 19 15:32:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how can we use CC-BY-SA-2.5 on that page at all ? +Jun 19 15:32:25 <robbat2> it's the footer +Jun 19 15:32:41 <robbat2> doc/en/inserts.xml is the source file +Jun 19 15:32:52 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - but it does not apply to the page content +Jun 19 15:34:17 <robbat2> actually, it's a little more complicated than that +Jun 19 15:34:27 <robbat2> if you include an empty <license/> tag +Jun 19 15:34:34 <robbat2> then the default license text gets used +Jun 19 15:34:43 <dabbott> yep +Jun 19 15:34:55 <robbat2> that is 99.9% of our pages right now +Jun 19 15:34:59 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we can't claim copyright over the entire content of the site. In Germany for instance, its not possible to assign copyright +Jun 19 15:35:40 <robbat2> we claim it already, i'm not changing that at all. just how it's displayed +Jun 19 15:35:56 <rich0> The front page already has at the bottom "Copyright 2001-2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. Questions, Comments? Contact us." +Jun 19 15:36:36 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its probably true for 99.9% of pages but that particular page is about how our marks/logos can be used and CC-BY-SA-2.5 isn't one of the ways +Jun 19 15:36:45 <robbat2> err, you're mixing pages now +Jun 19 15:36:56 <robbat2> we're not talking about marks naymore +Jun 19 15:37:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, don't tell sping and friends :) +Jun 19 15:37:05 <robbat2> we're talking strictly about bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:37:07 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:37:58 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the bug references http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/name-logo.xml +Jun 19 15:38:41 <robbat2> "The Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines [2] apply." +Jun 19 15:38:51 <robbat2> that covers the logo, the CC-BY-SA is for the text on the site +Jun 19 15:38:51 <NeddySeagoon> OK. +Jun 19 15:39:03 <NeddySeagoon> agreed +Jun 19 15:39:09 <robbat2> the "unless otherwise expressly stated" phrase is really important here +Jun 19 15:39:18 <rich0> I think that does cover us. +Jun 19 15:39:19 <NeddySeagoon> I did warn you that I had not done my homework +Jun 19 15:39:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yep +Jun 19 15:39:56 <rich0> Seems like copyright is another long-term issue to deal with - not that we need to resolve it today. +Jun 19 15:40:27 <rich0> In any case, I think the goal is to keep per-page info short and snappy, and then just reference someplace with the gory details. +Jun 19 15:40:33 <robbat2> are we happy w/ the base proposal of bug 369181? +Jun 19 15:40:33 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah. Its a PITA. +Jun 19 15:40:34 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:40:38 <dabbott> I am all for a condensed <license/> CC-BY-SA-2.5 +Jun 19 15:40:44 <robbat2> w/ the shrunk bit +Jun 19 15:40:54 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - I'm OK with bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:40:54 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:40:55 <dabbott> yes +Jun 19 15:41:09 <rich0> I'm fine with the condensed bit, if it links to the full license. +Jun 19 15:41:32 <rich0> Fine with the bug either way. +Jun 19 15:41:33 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA-2.5 as a link is +1 from me +Jun 19 15:41:50 <robbat2> ok, i've committed it w/ that :-) +Jun 19 15:41:55 <NeddySeagoon> heh +Jun 19 15:42:01 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369185 +Jun 19 15:42:03 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be declared as licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:42:17 <NeddySeagoon> I will have to go in 5 min - I can hear dinner being served +Jun 19 15:42:48 <NeddySeagoon> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly sounds about right +Jun 19 15:43:08 <robbat2> ok +Jun 19 15:43:11 <dabbott> fine by me +Jun 19 15:43:21 <robbat2> yeah we approved it already last year +Jun 19 15:43:23 <robbat2> just need to update the page +Jun 19 15:43:24 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA/2.5 is clearly wrong +Jun 19 15:43:28 <robbat2> as CCPL +Jun 19 15:43:34 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jun 19 15:44:04 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369725 +Jun 19 15:44:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369725 "Satisfy attribution on xml/htdocs/errors/en/*.xml"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:44:17 <dabbott> or add another <license/> tag to cover it +Jun 19 15:44:39 <robbat2> i committed that minutes ago already +Jun 19 15:44:43 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, youu have just fixed them +Jun 19 15:45:02 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371429 +Jun 19 15:45:04 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371429 "Check legal aspects of "Larry on Redmond Hills""; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:45:22 <dabbott> a new tag to cover CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 +Jun 19 15:46:01 <robbat2> dabbott, i'll deal w/ the CCPL side. +Jun 19 15:46:17 <robbat2> re the redmond hills, do we need to worry about it being based on the XP wallpaper? +Jun 19 15:46:23 <NeddySeagoon> I don't like the sound of that "Larry on Redmond Hills" at all. +Jun 19 15:46:25 <rich0> That is my main concern. +Jun 19 15:46:36 <rich0> Is it a derivative work? +Jun 19 15:46:48 <robbat2> IANAL, but I think so +Jun 19 15:46:48 <NeddySeagoon> Someone will own the copyright in the image +Jun 19 15:47:15 <NeddySeagoon> If its MS, they will say no +Jun 19 15:48:04 <dabbott> Its more trouble than it is worth dealing with +Jun 19 15:48:07 <rich0> Just compared to the originals at: http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/04/origin-of-windows-xp-default-wallpaper.html +Jun 19 15:48:11 <robbat2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_%28image%29 +Jun 19 15:48:24 <rich0> Seems almost certainly to be covered by copyright - we can't use it without a license. +Jun 19 15:48:27 <dabbott> he said he traced it from an xp wallpaper +Jun 19 15:48:49 <rich0> If it were just a bunch of hills, grass, and clouds (but not THIS hill, grass, and cloud arrangement) we might be ok. +Jun 19 15:49:07 <robbat2> ok, so it's definitely a derivative then, unless we send somebody out there to take a new photo of said hill +Jun 19 15:49:39 <rich0> Believe it or not even that can get touchy - not that it will happen. +Jun 19 15:49:40 <NeddySeagoon> Its more trouble than its worth +Jun 19 15:50:55 <rich0> Ok, so no hosting on Gentoo, or official links/etc seems best. +Jun 19 15:51:16 <NeddySeagoon> !Bug 371543 +Jun 19 15:51:16 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'willikins: help bug' +Jun 19 15:51:23 <robbat2> hmm, that's a bug I should fix +Jun 19 15:51:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371543 +Jun 19 15:51:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 "Offer vector graphic of newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:52:48 <NeddySeagoon> Not a problem. Our mark is the word Gentoo - regardless of font +Jun 19 15:53:33 <rich0> Should make sure copyright is assigned or understood if we're going to offer it officially. +Jun 19 15:53:46 <rich0> Agree the mark applies regardless. +Jun 19 15:54:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, if its from sping, he can't do that +Jun 19 15:54:19 <rich0> "or understood" :) +Jun 19 15:54:22 <robbat2> he can get a vector image together for us to review +Jun 19 15:55:02 <NeddySeagoon> the best we could get would be a "free to use" agreement +Jun 19 15:55:40 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, are you updating the bug to request that ? +Jun 19 15:56:18 <robbat2> ok, i will +Jun 19 15:56:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371825 +Jun 19 15:56:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371825 "Please order replacement drive for barbet.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF; darkside:trustees +Jun 19 15:56:51 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, probably wouldn't hurt for him to clearly license it appropriately CC-BY-SA or whatever. +Jun 19 15:56:58 <NeddySeagoon> -infra have a $1000 spares and repairs budget - so this need not come to us +Jun 19 15:57:01 <dabbott> should be covered with the infra budget +Jun 19 15:57:20 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, good to hear - makes sense to actually budget for this stuff and then not micromanage. +Jun 19 15:57:23 <dabbott> if not we need to up the budget :) +Jun 19 15:57:45 <robbat2> that's an infra item, not sure why darkside assigned to trustees +Jun 19 15:57:48 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, I have a problem with our marks and CC-BY-SA ... its almost like allowing them to be public domain +Jun 19 15:58:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its renewed on 1st July +Jun 19 15:58:32 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, I'm not suggesting we should allow the use of the marks - only that he as the author should license it for copyright. Maybe we should just get him to agree that it can be used in accordance with the logo guidelines. +Jun 19 15:58:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740 +Jun 19 15:58:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; IN_P; bugs-gentoo:trustees +Jun 19 15:58:52 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works +Jun 19 15:59:12 <NeddySeagoon> I thought we were going to close that as wontfix +Jun 19 15:59:46 <robbat2> ok, will close/re-assign to forums +Jun 19 16:00:14 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, nothing will happen until we get PHP-BB 3 anyway +Jun 19 16:00:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549 +Jun 19 16:00:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; IN_P; belendax:trustees +Jun 19 16:00:43 <NeddySeagoon> awaiting advice from SFLC +Jun 19 16:01:03 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766 +Jun 19 16:01:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees +Jun 19 16:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, should have fixed that +Jun 19 16:02:19 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853 +Jun 19 16:02:21 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; IN_P; mihel:trustees +Jun 19 16:02:28 <NeddySeagoon> Thats about to be fixed +Jun 19 16:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 343975 +Jun 19 16:02:48 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; darkside:trustees +Jun 19 16:03:21 <robbat2> that's resolved already +Jun 19 16:03:31 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm - it says IN_P... but its fixed +Jun 19 16:03:40 <rich0> Hit refresh +Jun 19 16:03:55 <dabbott> On the new mexico website don't you just put Gentoo in search to get to the info ? +Jun 19 16:04:25 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you hadn't updated your search page ;-) +Jun 19 16:04:33 <robbat2> dabbott, in one of the boxes yes +Jun 19 16:04:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm in firefox as galeon broke on me, so I've lost the link I had :( +Jun 19 16:05:23 <dabbott> No Records Found http://164.64.53.200/CorpSearch/%28S%28lyyitmn1g0puvfjfa3woac45%29%29/CorpSearch.aspx?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC// +Jun 19 16:05:43 <NeddySeagoon> I need to go. I'll be back as soon as I can. robbat2 would you take over the chair please +Jun 19 16:05:47 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, go +Jun 19 16:05:48 <rich0> Odd +Jun 19 16:05:53 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Jun 19 16:06:00 <dabbott> later NeddySeagoon +Jun 19 16:06:01 <robbat2> !bug 363871 +Jun 19 16:06:02 <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs +Jun 19 16:06:06 <robbat2> that's in progress with me still +Jun 19 16:06:22 <robbat2> and I think that covers all of the bugs +Jun 19 16:06:55 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott: did I miss any bugs before we move to new business? +Jun 19 16:07:48 <dabbott> no thats it +Jun 19 16:07:52 <rich0> don't think so +Jun 19 16:08:00 <robbat2> ok, new business. +Jun 19 16:08:21 <robbat2> 5.1. upcoming purchase request for masterdistfiles.gentoo.org hardware +Jun 19 16:08:46 <robbat2> i think infra should just put the purchase req together and submit it, I don't have any concerns about it. +Jun 19 16:09:07 <dabbott> +1 whatever is needed +Jun 19 16:09:19 <rich0> Don't think I've heard about that one. +Jun 19 16:09:54 <robbat2> it dates back to last year, when GNi was closing down, we wanted to purchase two new machines as replacements for some of the stuff that was at GNi +Jun 19 16:10:01 <robbat2> but we found some sponsor hardware instead +Jun 19 16:10:23 <robbat2> but for masterdistfiles, we really need a high-storage box physically located at OSL +Jun 19 16:10:43 <robbat2> since that's where we have to feed the mirror infrastructure from +Jun 19 16:11:43 <rich0> Ok, seems reasonable. Has the proposal already been circulated? +Jun 19 16:11:52 <rich0> Or are we asking them to write one up for a final OK? +Jun 19 16:12:07 <robbat2> there was a rough version last year, that needs a write up +Jun 19 16:12:23 <rich0> I'm also fine with giving a general budget to operate in and leaving it up to infra to work out the details. +Jun 19 16:12:24 <robbat2> moving on then +Jun 19 16:12:28 <rich0> ok +Jun 19 16:12:36 <robbat2> 5.2. FISL conference funding +Jun 19 16:12:39 <robbat2> rafaelmartins are you here? +Jun 19 16:12:49 <rafaelmartins> here +Jun 19 16:13:13 <robbat2> your last response said you were going to get back to us +Jun 19 16:13:36 <robbat2> since it's next week, i hope you've found somewhere local to make them for you, or you're burning already +Jun 19 16:13:48 <rafaelmartins> ok... it's almost impossible to find a company there that gets an iso and artwork, and get paid using paypal +Jun 19 16:14:34 <rafaelmartins> then I'll pay it myself and ask for reimburse, if you guys approve the funding +Jun 19 16:14:46 <robbat2> do you have a ballpark figure? +Jun 19 16:15:45 <rafaelmartins> I'll do 200 copies... a copy should cost ~1 USD there... I'll have a final value tomorrow +Jun 19 16:16:29 <dabbott> ok +Jun 19 16:16:51 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott, proposal of up to $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs? +Jun 19 16:17:01 <dabbott> seconded +Jun 19 16:17:06 <rich0> aye +Jun 19 16:17:11 <dabbott> yes +Jun 19 16:17:12 <robbat2> carried +Jun 19 16:17:16 <robbat2> aye +Jun 19 16:17:31 <rich0> Again, wouldn't hurt long-term to equip somebody in the EU for these sorts of things long-term to save costs. +Jun 19 16:17:38 <robbat2> rich0, he's in brazil +Jun 19 16:17:40 <rich0> No bearing on present situation. +Jun 19 16:17:41 <robbat2> not EU +Jun 19 16:17:42 <rich0> yup +Jun 19 16:17:51 <rafaelmartins> yeah :( +Jun 19 16:18:02 <rich0> EU just a special case with VAT and open borders/etc. +Jun 19 16:18:18 <dabbott> rafaelmartins, take a picture of the receipt and send it to us for our records +Jun 19 16:18:26 <robbat2> rafaelmartins, you're good to go. please open a bug with a scan of your invoice (redact your CC # please) for reimbursement +Jun 19 16:18:27 <rafaelmartins> dabbott, of course +Jun 19 16:18:39 <rafaelmartins> thank you guys :) +Jun 19 16:18:43 <rafaelmartins> robbat2, ok +Jun 19 16:18:55 <rich0> rafaelmartins, Thanks for representing Gentoo! :) +Jun 19 16:18:56 <dabbott> np, thanks for doing it +Jun 19 16:19:16 <robbat2> 5.3. gentoo.xxx domain +Jun 19 16:19:53 <robbat2> background: the .xxx TLD is opening up, and unlike other TLDs, there is a period upfront that can be used to blacklist the domain forever +Jun 19 16:20:20 <robbat2> however it costs $200USD+vat +Jun 19 16:20:45 <dabbott> no one is going to think of Gentoo Linux when the vist gentoo.xxx I say don't wotrry about it +Jun 19 16:20:51 <rich0> ++ +Jun 19 16:21:04 <rich0> Christian made a good argument. +Jun 19 16:21:16 <rich0> Unless we're going to buy every TLD, what's the point? +Jun 19 16:21:22 <robbat2> agreed +Jun 19 16:21:32 <robbat2> ok, so we resolve to ignore the .xxx TLD +Jun 19 16:21:37 <rich0> If they use the logo/etc then we have a case against them. +Jun 19 16:21:49 <robbat2> on entirely seperate and more solid grounds +Jun 19 16:22:23 <robbat2> ok, that's all of the new business on the agenda +Jun 19 16:22:34 <robbat2> any other new business items that weren't agenda'd ahead of time? +Jun 19 16:23:02 <rich0> None here. +Jun 19 16:23:21 <dabbott> I can't think of anything +Jun 19 16:23:55 <robbat2> 6. membership applications +Jun 19 16:24:02 <robbat2> none this month that I see +Jun 19 16:24:10 <robbat2> 7. advertising requests +Jun 19 16:24:11 <robbat2> also none +Jun 19 16:24:24 <robbat2> lastly cleanup stuff +Jun 19 16:24:27 <dabbott> when were we going to do another meeting for an additional Treasure Report +Jun 19 16:24:41 <robbat2> i don't know. that needs quantumsummers_ +Jun 19 16:25:18 <robbat2> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Jul 2011 19:00 UTC +Jun 19 16:25:35 <dabbott> fine here afaik +Jun 19 16:26:13 <robbat2> rich0, good for you? +Jun 19 16:26:22 <robbat2> it works for me +Jun 19 16:26:24 <rich0> Fine here - gotta fix the Google Calendar... +Jun 19 16:26:45 <robbat2> ok, that's set then +Jun 19 16:26:50 <robbat2> any other business? +Jun 19 16:27:05 <rich0> Somebody had it at 19:00 EST, now I set it to 19:00 GMT+0, which somehow is treated as BST. +Jun 19 16:27:17 <robbat2> ah +Jun 19 16:27:42 <robbat2> any other business, going once +Jun 19 16:28:01 <robbat2> twice +Jun 19 16:28:20 <robbat2> ok, moving on +Jun 19 16:28:37 <robbat2> i'll post the log + minutes +Jun 19 16:28:39 <dabbott> I can do both I think I have a log here +Jun 19 16:28:53 <robbat2> ok, i'll defer to you, i've got a bunch of infra stuff for this afternoon +Jun 19 16:29:08 <robbat2> i'll do the motions listing from your minutes +Jun 19 16:29:19 <robbat2> i don't think we have any emails to send +Jun 19 16:29:31 <robbat2> so that just leaves open floor +Jun 19 16:30:13 <dabbott> just the one motion $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs +Jun 19 16:30:31 <antarus> Wait, we can reimburse porn purchases? +Jun 19 16:31:01 <robbat2> antarus, you'll have to work it off in trade, "devs of a gentoo" calendar +Jun 19 16:31:07 <robbat2> *"Devs of Gentoo" +Jun 19 16:31:52 <robbat2> nothing else for open floor, so I declare this meeting closed +Jun 19 16:31:59 * robbat2 bangs his imaginary gavel diff --git a/2011/20110619_gentoo-trustees.log.txt b/2011/20110619_gentoo-trustees.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..3c48d91 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110619_gentoo-trustees.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,320 @@ +Jun 19 15:00:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the June 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting +Jun 19 15:00:34 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call, I'm logging. Timestamps are all over the place - its a Xen DomU +Jun 19 15:00:49 <rich0> here, and stationary... :) +Jun 19 15:00:55 <dabbott> here +Jun 19 15:00:58 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, apologies - may be along later +Jun 19 15:01:05 <robbat2> here, logging as well +Jun 19 15:01:21 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start +Jun 19 15:01:31 <NeddySeagoon> Larry Logo | Font News Item? +Jun 19 15:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> Lets fix our site with the agreed attributions first +Jun 19 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> thoughts ? +Jun 19 15:02:14 <robbat2> +1, what bits are left to fix? +Jun 19 15:02:39 <rich0> Plans all seem fine to me - just need to do it I think. +Jun 19 15:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, put the wording on the 403, 404 and artwork page +Jun 19 15:03:12 <NeddySeagoon> we agreed wording and placement +Jun 19 15:03:21 <robbat2> got the msg-id for the final version of the wording quickly? +Jun 19 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon> <1307557321.2923.1@NeddySeagoon> +Jun 19 15:04:18 <robbat2> thx +Jun 19 15:04:28 <robbat2> i'll make it live while we're busy w/ the rest of the meeting +Jun 19 15:04:31 <NeddySeagoon> Ethan just said 'yes' +Jun 19 15:04:39 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 19 15:05:09 <NeddySeagoon> Larry the Cow T Shirt Funding +Jun 19 15:05:40 <NeddySeagoon> +1 from me, now we have the licence sorted out +Jun 19 15:05:40 <dabbott> This should be completed in the next month, will need quantumsummers_ to pay for the shirts +Jun 19 15:06:13 <dabbott> unless there is enough in the account +Jun 19 15:06:34 <robbat2> i think there was a cafepress payout recently, so unsure +Jun 19 15:06:42 <NeddySeagoon> I suppose we should poke known Larry users too ... +Jun 19 15:07:16 <dabbott> maybe we can do the news item all together +Jun 19 15:07:23 <NeddySeagoon> e.g. likewoah for the liveCD and other artists +Jun 19 15:08:00 <dabbott> announce the t shirts along with the announcement +Jun 19 15:08:13 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I like that +Jun 19 15:08:16 <rich0> Is there someplace we track our financial status? We get a lot of requests to fund this and that, and the amounts are generally small, but it is hard to tell exactly how much we have to spend/etc. +Jun 19 15:08:38 <robbat2> quantumsummers_ has a listing i believe, but it would be nice if it was more open +Jun 19 15:08:54 <rich0> Agree that pairing the t-shirt announcement with the larry news is a great idea! +Jun 19 15:08:56 <robbat2> i had an idea of doing something for that w/ him, but never followed up due to lack of free time +Jun 19 15:09:12 <dabbott> I could keep it updated if we were sent the info +Jun 19 15:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, its on the web somewhere but its about 6 months out of date. Its our FY end on 30 June, so quantumsummers_ will be updating then +Jun 19 15:09:31 <rich0> I can understand if we need to keep it somewhat closed. A detailed register should be closed, but summary info probably should be made reasonably public at some point (maybe when our IRS situation is in order). +Jun 19 15:10:17 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we have to file quarterly, that filing is public and its what normally goes on the web +Jun 19 15:10:27 <rich0> Ok, that was a bit offtopic - just the concept of spending money called to my attention that we should probably keep an eye on this stuff. Again, the amounts are low so probably not a big deal. +Jun 19 15:12:19 <NeddySeagoon> we can come back to quantumsummers bit, if/when he shows +Jun 19 15:12:54 <dabbott> It needs to be updated http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml +Jun 19 15:12:59 <NeddySeagoon> That gets us to Bugs. I've been away for 8 days, so I've not done my homework +Jun 19 15:13:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep, quantumsummers_ wanted to wait until FY end +Jun 19 15:14:38 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 351045 +Jun 19 15:14:40 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs +Jun 19 15:15:02 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you missed my lineitem for SSL. on which there is no news +Jun 19 15:15:32 <robbat2> relatedly to the privacy policy, there is a bug filed this week +Jun 19 15:15:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sorry about that. +Jun 19 15:16:21 <robbat2> !bug 372101 +Jun 19 15:16:23 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/372101 "Bugzilla does not obey DIRECTIVE 95/46/EC"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; UNCO; dark:infra-bugs +Jun 19 15:16:35 <robbat2> that's privacy policy +Jun 19 15:16:56 <robbat2> in there I proposed one course of action that the rest of infra seems in favour of +Jun 19 15:17:26 <robbat2> specifically having a privacy page that includes the SSH login banner that you see when you login to any of our boxes +Jun 19 15:17:35 <robbat2> as well as the privacy policy segment from lists.g.o +Jun 19 15:17:53 <NeddySeagoon> I suspect we can't have a privacy policy that works all over the world. +Jun 19 15:17:54 <robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml <-- bottom of the page +Jun 19 15:18:28 <robbat2> ah, Debian has updated theirs to include more disclaimer +Jun 19 15:19:18 <robbat2> complying w/ 95/46/EC fully would neuter Bugzilla entirely, so we need to find a reasonable compromise +Jun 19 15:19:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, has asked the SFLC for an opinion. Lets wait until we get a response +Jun 19 15:19:43 <robbat2> i'll put my draft stuff together prior to that +Jun 19 15:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 19 15:21:00 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 293309 +Jun 19 15:21:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293309 "x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme Gentoo branding (see comment #19)"; Gentoo Linux, GNOME; CONF; fastijum:licenses +Jun 19 15:21:49 <robbat2> comment 24 on there had the question for us +Jun 19 15:21:49 <NeddySeagoon> We should probably fix the usage guidelines as you suggest robbat2 +Jun 19 15:22:34 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see it being used outside of Gentoo +Jun 19 15:23:41 <rich0> I think the key is to have one updated logo usage page and then reference that everywhere else. +Jun 19 15:23:44 <NeddySeagoon> No strong feelings either way - we could just handle requests as they arise +Jun 19 15:24:58 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep, if we have the same info in two places both will be a) wrong and b) contradictory. +Jun 19 15:25:10 <robbat2> proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml <-- seems to be updated for the fonthead bits already, and i'm just committing the 404/410 pages now +Jun 19 15:25:20 <rich0> I think the key should be to define the situations when others can use the logo, and beyond that it is purely by-request. +Jun 19 15:25:36 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep +Jun 19 15:25:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:25:49 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:28:30 <NeddySeagoon> The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. is clearly wrong on that page. Its discussing our logo and trademarks +Jun 19 15:28:31 <rich0> I like sping's wording here. +Jun 19 15:29:16 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we cannot licence our logo under the CC-SA licence +Jun 19 15:30:05 <NeddySeagoon> we should just remove the The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. line in the footer and maybe clarify the reat +Jun 19 15:30:14 <rich0> I was thinking about that +Jun 19 15:30:43 <NeddySeagoon> After all, most of the other text says what is permitted/denied +Jun 19 15:30:43 <robbat2> one request re his wording there +Jun 19 15:30:50 <rich0> Why not just state on ALL pages "Copyright 2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc" and have a license page somewhere with the details. +Jun 19 15:31:07 <rich0> Then we don't have to fit everything in a one-liner on every single page. +Jun 19 15:31:11 <robbat2> rich0, no, CC wants it per-page recalling somewhere in the detailed discussion +Jun 19 15:31:28 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a relicencing mess - we don't want to get into that +Jun 19 15:31:33 <rich0> That license page could have the gory details and suitable disclaimers, references to logo usage, etc. +Jun 19 15:31:43 <robbat2> but I'd like to trim: "Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alive 2.5" to CC-BY-SA-2.5 +Jun 19 15:31:53 <rich0> I'm not suggesting that we change the license, only that we link to it instead of writing it on every page. Just a thought. +Jun 19 15:32:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how can we use CC-BY-SA-2.5 on that page at all ? +Jun 19 15:32:25 <robbat2> it's the footer +Jun 19 15:32:41 <robbat2> doc/en/inserts.xml is the source file +Jun 19 15:32:52 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - but it does not apply to the page content +Jun 19 15:34:17 <robbat2> actually, it's a little more complicated than that +Jun 19 15:34:27 <robbat2> if you include an empty <license/> tag +Jun 19 15:34:34 <robbat2> then the default license text gets used +Jun 19 15:34:43 <dabbott> yep +Jun 19 15:34:55 <robbat2> that is 99.9% of our pages right now +Jun 19 15:34:59 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we can't claim copyright over the entire content of the site. In Germany for instance, its not possible to assign copyright +Jun 19 15:35:40 <robbat2> we claim it already, i'm not changing that at all. just how it's displayed +Jun 19 15:35:56 <rich0> The front page already has at the bottom "Copyright 2001-2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. Questions, Comments? Contact us." +Jun 19 15:36:36 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its probably true for 99.9% of pages but that particular page is about how our marks/logos can be used and CC-BY-SA-2.5 isn't one of the ways +Jun 19 15:36:45 <robbat2> err, you're mixing pages now +Jun 19 15:36:56 <robbat2> we're not talking about marks naymore +Jun 19 15:37:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, don't tell sping and friends :) +Jun 19 15:37:05 <robbat2> we're talking strictly about bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:37:07 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:37:58 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the bug references http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/name-logo.xml +Jun 19 15:38:41 <robbat2> "The Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines [2] apply." +Jun 19 15:38:51 <robbat2> that covers the logo, the CC-BY-SA is for the text on the site +Jun 19 15:38:51 <NeddySeagoon> OK. +Jun 19 15:39:03 <NeddySeagoon> agreed +Jun 19 15:39:09 <robbat2> the "unless otherwise expressly stated" phrase is really important here +Jun 19 15:39:18 <rich0> I think that does cover us. +Jun 19 15:39:19 <NeddySeagoon> I did warn you that I had not done my homework +Jun 19 15:39:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yep +Jun 19 15:39:56 <rich0> Seems like copyright is another long-term issue to deal with - not that we need to resolve it today. +Jun 19 15:40:27 <rich0> In any case, I think the goal is to keep per-page info short and snappy, and then just reference someplace with the gory details. +Jun 19 15:40:33 <robbat2> are we happy w/ the base proposal of bug 369181? +Jun 19 15:40:33 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah. Its a PITA. +Jun 19 15:40:34 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:40:38 <dabbott> I am all for a condensed <license/> CC-BY-SA-2.5 +Jun 19 15:40:44 <robbat2> w/ the shrunk bit +Jun 19 15:40:54 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - I'm OK with bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:40:54 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:40:55 <dabbott> yes +Jun 19 15:41:09 <rich0> I'm fine with the condensed bit, if it links to the full license. +Jun 19 15:41:32 <rich0> Fine with the bug either way. +Jun 19 15:41:33 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA-2.5 as a link is +1 from me +Jun 19 15:41:50 <robbat2> ok, i've committed it w/ that :-) +Jun 19 15:41:55 <NeddySeagoon> heh +Jun 19 15:42:01 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369185 +Jun 19 15:42:03 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be declared as licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:42:17 <NeddySeagoon> I will have to go in 5 min - I can hear dinner being served +Jun 19 15:42:48 <NeddySeagoon> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly sounds about right +Jun 19 15:43:08 <robbat2> ok +Jun 19 15:43:11 <dabbott> fine by me +Jun 19 15:43:21 <robbat2> yeah we approved it already last year +Jun 19 15:43:23 <robbat2> just need to update the page +Jun 19 15:43:24 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA/2.5 is clearly wrong +Jun 19 15:43:28 <robbat2> as CCPL +Jun 19 15:43:34 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jun 19 15:44:04 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369725 +Jun 19 15:44:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369725 "Satisfy attribution on xml/htdocs/errors/en/*.xml"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:44:17 <dabbott> or add another <license/> tag to cover it +Jun 19 15:44:39 <robbat2> i committed that minutes ago already +Jun 19 15:44:43 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, youu have just fixed them +Jun 19 15:45:02 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371429 +Jun 19 15:45:04 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371429 "Check legal aspects of "Larry on Redmond Hills""; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:45:22 <dabbott> a new tag to cover CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 +Jun 19 15:46:01 <robbat2> dabbott, i'll deal w/ the CCPL side. +Jun 19 15:46:17 <robbat2> re the redmond hills, do we need to worry about it being based on the XP wallpaper? +Jun 19 15:46:23 <NeddySeagoon> I don't like the sound of that "Larry on Redmond Hills" at all. +Jun 19 15:46:25 <rich0> That is my main concern. +Jun 19 15:46:36 <rich0> Is it a derivative work? +Jun 19 15:46:48 <robbat2> IANAL, but I think so +Jun 19 15:46:48 <NeddySeagoon> Someone will own the copyright in the image +Jun 19 15:47:15 <NeddySeagoon> If its MS, they will say no +Jun 19 15:48:04 <dabbott> Its more trouble than it is worth dealing with +Jun 19 15:48:07 <rich0> Just compared to the originals at: http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/04/origin-of-windows-xp-default-wallpaper.html +Jun 19 15:48:11 <robbat2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_%28image%29 +Jun 19 15:48:24 <rich0> Seems almost certainly to be covered by copyright - we can't use it without a license. +Jun 19 15:48:27 <dabbott> he said he traced it from an xp wallpaper +Jun 19 15:48:49 <rich0> If it were just a bunch of hills, grass, and clouds (but not THIS hill, grass, and cloud arrangement) we might be ok. +Jun 19 15:49:07 <robbat2> ok, so it's definitely a derivative then, unless we send somebody out there to take a new photo of said hill +Jun 19 15:49:39 <rich0> Believe it or not even that can get touchy - not that it will happen. +Jun 19 15:49:40 <NeddySeagoon> Its more trouble than its worth +Jun 19 15:50:55 <rich0> Ok, so no hosting on Gentoo, or official links/etc seems best. +Jun 19 15:51:16 <NeddySeagoon> !Bug 371543 +Jun 19 15:51:16 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'willikins: help bug' +Jun 19 15:51:23 <robbat2> hmm, that's a bug I should fix +Jun 19 15:51:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371543 +Jun 19 15:51:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 "Offer vector graphic of newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:52:48 <NeddySeagoon> Not a problem. Our mark is the word Gentoo - regardless of font +Jun 19 15:53:33 <rich0> Should make sure copyright is assigned or understood if we're going to offer it officially. +Jun 19 15:53:46 <rich0> Agree the mark applies regardless. +Jun 19 15:54:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, if its from sping, he can't do that +Jun 19 15:54:19 <rich0> "or understood" :) +Jun 19 15:54:22 <robbat2> he can get a vector image together for us to review +Jun 19 15:55:02 <NeddySeagoon> the best we could get would be a "free to use" agreement +Jun 19 15:55:40 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, are you updating the bug to request that ? +Jun 19 15:56:18 <robbat2> ok, i will +Jun 19 15:56:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371825 +Jun 19 15:56:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371825 "Please order replacement drive for barbet.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF; darkside:trustees +Jun 19 15:56:51 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, probably wouldn't hurt for him to clearly license it appropriately CC-BY-SA or whatever. +Jun 19 15:56:58 <NeddySeagoon> -infra have a $1000 spares and repairs budget - so this need not come to us +Jun 19 15:57:01 <dabbott> should be covered with the infra budget +Jun 19 15:57:20 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, good to hear - makes sense to actually budget for this stuff and then not micromanage. +Jun 19 15:57:23 <dabbott> if not we need to up the budget :) +Jun 19 15:57:45 <robbat2> that's an infra item, not sure why darkside assigned to trustees +Jun 19 15:57:48 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, I have a problem with our marks and CC-BY-SA ... its almost like allowing them to be public domain +Jun 19 15:58:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its renewed on 1st July +Jun 19 15:58:32 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, I'm not suggesting we should allow the use of the marks - only that he as the author should license it for copyright. Maybe we should just get him to agree that it can be used in accordance with the logo guidelines. +Jun 19 15:58:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740 +Jun 19 15:58:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; IN_P; bugs-gentoo:trustees +Jun 19 15:58:52 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works +Jun 19 15:59:12 <NeddySeagoon> I thought we were going to close that as wontfix +Jun 19 15:59:46 <robbat2> ok, will close/re-assign to forums +Jun 19 16:00:14 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, nothing will happen until we get PHP-BB 3 anyway +Jun 19 16:00:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549 +Jun 19 16:00:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; IN_P; belendax:trustees +Jun 19 16:00:43 <NeddySeagoon> awaiting advice from SFLC +Jun 19 16:01:03 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766 +Jun 19 16:01:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees +Jun 19 16:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, should have fixed that +Jun 19 16:02:19 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853 +Jun 19 16:02:21 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; IN_P; mihel:trustees +Jun 19 16:02:28 <NeddySeagoon> Thats about to be fixed +Jun 19 16:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 343975 +Jun 19 16:02:48 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; darkside:trustees +Jun 19 16:03:21 <robbat2> that's resolved already +Jun 19 16:03:31 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm - it says IN_P... but its fixed +Jun 19 16:03:40 <rich0> Hit refresh +Jun 19 16:03:55 <dabbott> On the new mexico website don't you just put Gentoo in search to get to the info ? +Jun 19 16:04:25 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you hadn't updated your search page ;-) +Jun 19 16:04:33 <robbat2> dabbott, in one of the boxes yes +Jun 19 16:04:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm in firefox as galeon broke on me, so I've lost the link I had :( +Jun 19 16:05:23 <dabbott> No Records Found http://164.64.53.200/CorpSearch/%28S%28lyyitmn1g0puvfjfa3woac45%29%29/CorpSearch.aspx?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC// +Jun 19 16:05:43 <NeddySeagoon> I need to go. I'll be back as soon as I can. robbat2 would you take over the chair please +Jun 19 16:05:47 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, go +Jun 19 16:05:48 <rich0> Odd +Jun 19 16:05:53 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Jun 19 16:06:00 <dabbott> later NeddySeagoon +Jun 19 16:06:01 <robbat2> !bug 363871 +Jun 19 16:06:02 <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs +Jun 19 16:06:06 <robbat2> that's in progress with me still +Jun 19 16:06:22 <robbat2> and I think that covers all of the bugs +Jun 19 16:06:55 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott: did I miss any bugs before we move to new business? +Jun 19 16:07:48 <dabbott> no thats it +Jun 19 16:07:52 <rich0> don't think so +Jun 19 16:08:00 <robbat2> ok, new business. +Jun 19 16:08:21 <robbat2> 5.1. upcoming purchase request for masterdistfiles.gentoo.org hardware +Jun 19 16:08:46 <robbat2> i think infra should just put the purchase req together and submit it, I don't have any concerns about it. +Jun 19 16:09:07 <dabbott> +1 whatever is needed +Jun 19 16:09:19 <rich0> Don't think I've heard about that one. +Jun 19 16:09:54 <robbat2> it dates back to last year, when GNi was closing down, we wanted to purchase two new machines as replacements for some of the stuff that was at GNi +Jun 19 16:10:01 <robbat2> but we found some sponsor hardware instead +Jun 19 16:10:23 <robbat2> but for masterdistfiles, we really need a high-storage box physically located at OSL +Jun 19 16:10:43 <robbat2> since that's where we have to feed the mirror infrastructure from +Jun 19 16:11:43 <rich0> Ok, seems reasonable. Has the proposal already been circulated? +Jun 19 16:11:52 <rich0> Or are we asking them to write one up for a final OK? +Jun 19 16:12:07 <robbat2> there was a rough version last year, that needs a write up +Jun 19 16:12:23 <rich0> I'm also fine with giving a general budget to operate in and leaving it up to infra to work out the details. +Jun 19 16:12:24 <robbat2> moving on then +Jun 19 16:12:28 <rich0> ok +Jun 19 16:12:36 <robbat2> 5.2. FISL conference funding +Jun 19 16:12:39 <robbat2> rafaelmartins are you here? +Jun 19 16:12:49 <rafaelmartins> here +Jun 19 16:13:13 <robbat2> your last response said you were going to get back to us +Jun 19 16:13:36 <robbat2> since it's next week, i hope you've found somewhere local to make them for you, or you're burning already +Jun 19 16:13:48 <rafaelmartins> ok... it's almost impossible to find a company there that gets an iso and artwork, and get paid using paypal +Jun 19 16:14:34 <rafaelmartins> then I'll pay it myself and ask for reimburse, if you guys approve the funding +Jun 19 16:14:46 <robbat2> do you have a ballpark figure? +Jun 19 16:15:45 <rafaelmartins> I'll do 200 copies... a copy should cost ~1 USD there... I'll have a final value tomorrow +Jun 19 16:16:29 <dabbott> ok +Jun 19 16:16:51 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott, proposal of up to $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs? +Jun 19 16:17:01 <dabbott> seconded +Jun 19 16:17:06 <rich0> aye +Jun 19 16:17:11 <dabbott> yes +Jun 19 16:17:12 <robbat2> carried +Jun 19 16:17:16 <robbat2> aye +Jun 19 16:17:31 <rich0> Again, wouldn't hurt long-term to equip somebody in the EU for these sorts of things long-term to save costs. +Jun 19 16:17:38 <robbat2> rich0, he's in brazil +Jun 19 16:17:40 <rich0> No bearing on present situation. +Jun 19 16:17:41 <robbat2> not EU +Jun 19 16:17:42 <rich0> yup +Jun 19 16:17:51 <rafaelmartins> yeah :( +Jun 19 16:18:02 <rich0> EU just a special case with VAT and open borders/etc. +Jun 19 16:18:18 <dabbott> rafaelmartins, take a picture of the receipt and send it to us for our records +Jun 19 16:18:26 <robbat2> rafaelmartins, you're good to go. please open a bug with a scan of your invoice (redact your CC # please) for reimbursement +Jun 19 16:18:27 <rafaelmartins> dabbott, of course +Jun 19 16:18:39 <rafaelmartins> thank you guys :) +Jun 19 16:18:43 <rafaelmartins> robbat2, ok +Jun 19 16:18:55 <rich0> rafaelmartins, Thanks for representing Gentoo! :) +Jun 19 16:18:56 <dabbott> np, thanks for doing it +Jun 19 16:19:16 <robbat2> 5.3. gentoo.xxx domain +Jun 19 16:19:53 <robbat2> background: the .xxx TLD is opening up, and unlike other TLDs, there is a period upfront that can be used to blacklist the domain forever +Jun 19 16:20:20 <robbat2> however it costs $200USD+vat +Jun 19 16:20:45 <dabbott> no one is going to think of Gentoo Linux when the vist gentoo.xxx I say don't wotrry about it +Jun 19 16:20:51 <rich0> ++ +Jun 19 16:21:04 <rich0> Christian made a good argument. +Jun 19 16:21:16 <rich0> Unless we're going to buy every TLD, what's the point? +Jun 19 16:21:22 <robbat2> agreed +Jun 19 16:21:32 <robbat2> ok, so we resolve to ignore the .xxx TLD +Jun 19 16:21:37 <rich0> If they use the logo/etc then we have a case against them. +Jun 19 16:21:49 <robbat2> on entirely seperate and more solid grounds +Jun 19 16:22:23 <robbat2> ok, that's all of the new business on the agenda +Jun 19 16:22:34 <robbat2> any other new business items that weren't agenda'd ahead of time? +Jun 19 16:23:02 <rich0> None here. +Jun 19 16:23:21 <dabbott> I can't think of anything +Jun 19 16:23:55 <robbat2> 6. membership applications +Jun 19 16:24:02 <robbat2> none this month that I see +Jun 19 16:24:10 <robbat2> 7. advertising requests +Jun 19 16:24:11 <robbat2> also none +Jun 19 16:24:24 <robbat2> lastly cleanup stuff +Jun 19 16:24:27 <dabbott> when were we going to do another meeting for an additional Treasure Report +Jun 19 16:24:41 <robbat2> i don't know. that needs quantumsummers_ +Jun 19 16:25:18 <robbat2> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Jul 2011 19:00 UTC +Jun 19 16:25:35 <dabbott> fine here afaik +Jun 19 16:26:13 <robbat2> rich0, good for you? +Jun 19 16:26:22 <robbat2> it works for me +Jun 19 16:26:24 <rich0> Fine here - gotta fix the Google Calendar... +Jun 19 16:26:45 <robbat2> ok, that's set then +Jun 19 16:26:50 <robbat2> any other business? +Jun 19 16:27:05 <rich0> Somebody had it at 19:00 EST, now I set it to 19:00 GMT+0, which somehow is treated as BST. +Jun 19 16:27:17 <robbat2> ah +Jun 19 16:27:42 <robbat2> any other business, going once +Jun 19 16:28:01 <robbat2> twice +Jun 19 16:28:20 <robbat2> ok, moving on +Jun 19 16:28:37 <robbat2> i'll post the log + minutes +Jun 19 16:28:39 <dabbott> I can do both I think I have a log here +Jun 19 16:28:53 <robbat2> ok, i'll defer to you, i've got a bunch of infra stuff for this afternoon +Jun 19 16:29:08 <robbat2> i'll do the motions listing from your minutes +Jun 19 16:29:19 <robbat2> i don't think we have any emails to send +Jun 19 16:29:31 <robbat2> so that just leaves open floor +Jun 19 16:30:13 <dabbott> just the one motion $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs +Jun 19 16:30:31 <antarus> Wait, we can reimburse porn purchases? +Jun 19 16:31:01 <robbat2> antarus, you'll have to work it off in trade, "devs of a gentoo" calendar +Jun 19 16:31:07 <robbat2> *"Devs of Gentoo" +Jun 19 16:31:52 <robbat2> nothing else for open floor, so I declare this meeting closed +Jun 19 16:31:59 * robbat2 bangs his imaginary gavel diff --git a/2011/20110619_trustees.log.txt b/2011/20110619_trustees.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..3c48d91 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110619_trustees.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,320 @@ +Jun 19 15:00:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the June 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting +Jun 19 15:00:34 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call, I'm logging. Timestamps are all over the place - its a Xen DomU +Jun 19 15:00:49 <rich0> here, and stationary... :) +Jun 19 15:00:55 <dabbott> here +Jun 19 15:00:58 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, apologies - may be along later +Jun 19 15:01:05 <robbat2> here, logging as well +Jun 19 15:01:21 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start +Jun 19 15:01:31 <NeddySeagoon> Larry Logo | Font News Item? +Jun 19 15:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> Lets fix our site with the agreed attributions first +Jun 19 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> thoughts ? +Jun 19 15:02:14 <robbat2> +1, what bits are left to fix? +Jun 19 15:02:39 <rich0> Plans all seem fine to me - just need to do it I think. +Jun 19 15:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, put the wording on the 403, 404 and artwork page +Jun 19 15:03:12 <NeddySeagoon> we agreed wording and placement +Jun 19 15:03:21 <robbat2> got the msg-id for the final version of the wording quickly? +Jun 19 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon> <1307557321.2923.1@NeddySeagoon> +Jun 19 15:04:18 <robbat2> thx +Jun 19 15:04:28 <robbat2> i'll make it live while we're busy w/ the rest of the meeting +Jun 19 15:04:31 <NeddySeagoon> Ethan just said 'yes' +Jun 19 15:04:39 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 19 15:05:09 <NeddySeagoon> Larry the Cow T Shirt Funding +Jun 19 15:05:40 <NeddySeagoon> +1 from me, now we have the licence sorted out +Jun 19 15:05:40 <dabbott> This should be completed in the next month, will need quantumsummers_ to pay for the shirts +Jun 19 15:06:13 <dabbott> unless there is enough in the account +Jun 19 15:06:34 <robbat2> i think there was a cafepress payout recently, so unsure +Jun 19 15:06:42 <NeddySeagoon> I suppose we should poke known Larry users too ... +Jun 19 15:07:16 <dabbott> maybe we can do the news item all together +Jun 19 15:07:23 <NeddySeagoon> e.g. likewoah for the liveCD and other artists +Jun 19 15:08:00 <dabbott> announce the t shirts along with the announcement +Jun 19 15:08:13 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I like that +Jun 19 15:08:16 <rich0> Is there someplace we track our financial status? We get a lot of requests to fund this and that, and the amounts are generally small, but it is hard to tell exactly how much we have to spend/etc. +Jun 19 15:08:38 <robbat2> quantumsummers_ has a listing i believe, but it would be nice if it was more open +Jun 19 15:08:54 <rich0> Agree that pairing the t-shirt announcement with the larry news is a great idea! +Jun 19 15:08:56 <robbat2> i had an idea of doing something for that w/ him, but never followed up due to lack of free time +Jun 19 15:09:12 <dabbott> I could keep it updated if we were sent the info +Jun 19 15:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, its on the web somewhere but its about 6 months out of date. Its our FY end on 30 June, so quantumsummers_ will be updating then +Jun 19 15:09:31 <rich0> I can understand if we need to keep it somewhat closed. A detailed register should be closed, but summary info probably should be made reasonably public at some point (maybe when our IRS situation is in order). +Jun 19 15:10:17 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we have to file quarterly, that filing is public and its what normally goes on the web +Jun 19 15:10:27 <rich0> Ok, that was a bit offtopic - just the concept of spending money called to my attention that we should probably keep an eye on this stuff. Again, the amounts are low so probably not a big deal. +Jun 19 15:12:19 <NeddySeagoon> we can come back to quantumsummers bit, if/when he shows +Jun 19 15:12:54 <dabbott> It needs to be updated http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml +Jun 19 15:12:59 <NeddySeagoon> That gets us to Bugs. I've been away for 8 days, so I've not done my homework +Jun 19 15:13:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep, quantumsummers_ wanted to wait until FY end +Jun 19 15:14:38 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 351045 +Jun 19 15:14:40 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs +Jun 19 15:15:02 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you missed my lineitem for SSL. on which there is no news +Jun 19 15:15:32 <robbat2> relatedly to the privacy policy, there is a bug filed this week +Jun 19 15:15:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sorry about that. +Jun 19 15:16:21 <robbat2> !bug 372101 +Jun 19 15:16:23 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/372101 "Bugzilla does not obey DIRECTIVE 95/46/EC"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; UNCO; dark:infra-bugs +Jun 19 15:16:35 <robbat2> that's privacy policy +Jun 19 15:16:56 <robbat2> in there I proposed one course of action that the rest of infra seems in favour of +Jun 19 15:17:26 <robbat2> specifically having a privacy page that includes the SSH login banner that you see when you login to any of our boxes +Jun 19 15:17:35 <robbat2> as well as the privacy policy segment from lists.g.o +Jun 19 15:17:53 <NeddySeagoon> I suspect we can't have a privacy policy that works all over the world. +Jun 19 15:17:54 <robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml <-- bottom of the page +Jun 19 15:18:28 <robbat2> ah, Debian has updated theirs to include more disclaimer +Jun 19 15:19:18 <robbat2> complying w/ 95/46/EC fully would neuter Bugzilla entirely, so we need to find a reasonable compromise +Jun 19 15:19:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, has asked the SFLC for an opinion. Lets wait until we get a response +Jun 19 15:19:43 <robbat2> i'll put my draft stuff together prior to that +Jun 19 15:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 19 15:21:00 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 293309 +Jun 19 15:21:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293309 "x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme Gentoo branding (see comment #19)"; Gentoo Linux, GNOME; CONF; fastijum:licenses +Jun 19 15:21:49 <robbat2> comment 24 on there had the question for us +Jun 19 15:21:49 <NeddySeagoon> We should probably fix the usage guidelines as you suggest robbat2 +Jun 19 15:22:34 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see it being used outside of Gentoo +Jun 19 15:23:41 <rich0> I think the key is to have one updated logo usage page and then reference that everywhere else. +Jun 19 15:23:44 <NeddySeagoon> No strong feelings either way - we could just handle requests as they arise +Jun 19 15:24:58 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep, if we have the same info in two places both will be a) wrong and b) contradictory. +Jun 19 15:25:10 <robbat2> proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml <-- seems to be updated for the fonthead bits already, and i'm just committing the 404/410 pages now +Jun 19 15:25:20 <rich0> I think the key should be to define the situations when others can use the logo, and beyond that it is purely by-request. +Jun 19 15:25:36 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep +Jun 19 15:25:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:25:49 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:28:30 <NeddySeagoon> The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. is clearly wrong on that page. Its discussing our logo and trademarks +Jun 19 15:28:31 <rich0> I like sping's wording here. +Jun 19 15:29:16 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we cannot licence our logo under the CC-SA licence +Jun 19 15:30:05 <NeddySeagoon> we should just remove the The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. line in the footer and maybe clarify the reat +Jun 19 15:30:14 <rich0> I was thinking about that +Jun 19 15:30:43 <NeddySeagoon> After all, most of the other text says what is permitted/denied +Jun 19 15:30:43 <robbat2> one request re his wording there +Jun 19 15:30:50 <rich0> Why not just state on ALL pages "Copyright 2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc" and have a license page somewhere with the details. +Jun 19 15:31:07 <rich0> Then we don't have to fit everything in a one-liner on every single page. +Jun 19 15:31:11 <robbat2> rich0, no, CC wants it per-page recalling somewhere in the detailed discussion +Jun 19 15:31:28 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a relicencing mess - we don't want to get into that +Jun 19 15:31:33 <rich0> That license page could have the gory details and suitable disclaimers, references to logo usage, etc. +Jun 19 15:31:43 <robbat2> but I'd like to trim: "Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alive 2.5" to CC-BY-SA-2.5 +Jun 19 15:31:53 <rich0> I'm not suggesting that we change the license, only that we link to it instead of writing it on every page. Just a thought. +Jun 19 15:32:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how can we use CC-BY-SA-2.5 on that page at all ? +Jun 19 15:32:25 <robbat2> it's the footer +Jun 19 15:32:41 <robbat2> doc/en/inserts.xml is the source file +Jun 19 15:32:52 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - but it does not apply to the page content +Jun 19 15:34:17 <robbat2> actually, it's a little more complicated than that +Jun 19 15:34:27 <robbat2> if you include an empty <license/> tag +Jun 19 15:34:34 <robbat2> then the default license text gets used +Jun 19 15:34:43 <dabbott> yep +Jun 19 15:34:55 <robbat2> that is 99.9% of our pages right now +Jun 19 15:34:59 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we can't claim copyright over the entire content of the site. In Germany for instance, its not possible to assign copyright +Jun 19 15:35:40 <robbat2> we claim it already, i'm not changing that at all. just how it's displayed +Jun 19 15:35:56 <rich0> The front page already has at the bottom "Copyright 2001-2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. Questions, Comments? Contact us." +Jun 19 15:36:36 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its probably true for 99.9% of pages but that particular page is about how our marks/logos can be used and CC-BY-SA-2.5 isn't one of the ways +Jun 19 15:36:45 <robbat2> err, you're mixing pages now +Jun 19 15:36:56 <robbat2> we're not talking about marks naymore +Jun 19 15:37:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, don't tell sping and friends :) +Jun 19 15:37:05 <robbat2> we're talking strictly about bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:37:07 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:37:58 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the bug references http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/name-logo.xml +Jun 19 15:38:41 <robbat2> "The Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines [2] apply." +Jun 19 15:38:51 <robbat2> that covers the logo, the CC-BY-SA is for the text on the site +Jun 19 15:38:51 <NeddySeagoon> OK. +Jun 19 15:39:03 <NeddySeagoon> agreed +Jun 19 15:39:09 <robbat2> the "unless otherwise expressly stated" phrase is really important here +Jun 19 15:39:18 <rich0> I think that does cover us. +Jun 19 15:39:19 <NeddySeagoon> I did warn you that I had not done my homework +Jun 19 15:39:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yep +Jun 19 15:39:56 <rich0> Seems like copyright is another long-term issue to deal with - not that we need to resolve it today. +Jun 19 15:40:27 <rich0> In any case, I think the goal is to keep per-page info short and snappy, and then just reference someplace with the gory details. +Jun 19 15:40:33 <robbat2> are we happy w/ the base proposal of bug 369181? +Jun 19 15:40:33 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah. Its a PITA. +Jun 19 15:40:34 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:40:38 <dabbott> I am all for a condensed <license/> CC-BY-SA-2.5 +Jun 19 15:40:44 <robbat2> w/ the shrunk bit +Jun 19 15:40:54 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - I'm OK with bug 369181 +Jun 19 15:40:54 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:40:55 <dabbott> yes +Jun 19 15:41:09 <rich0> I'm fine with the condensed bit, if it links to the full license. +Jun 19 15:41:32 <rich0> Fine with the bug either way. +Jun 19 15:41:33 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA-2.5 as a link is +1 from me +Jun 19 15:41:50 <robbat2> ok, i've committed it w/ that :-) +Jun 19 15:41:55 <NeddySeagoon> heh +Jun 19 15:42:01 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369185 +Jun 19 15:42:03 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be declared as licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:42:17 <NeddySeagoon> I will have to go in 5 min - I can hear dinner being served +Jun 19 15:42:48 <NeddySeagoon> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly sounds about right +Jun 19 15:43:08 <robbat2> ok +Jun 19 15:43:11 <dabbott> fine by me +Jun 19 15:43:21 <robbat2> yeah we approved it already last year +Jun 19 15:43:23 <robbat2> just need to update the page +Jun 19 15:43:24 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA/2.5 is clearly wrong +Jun 19 15:43:28 <robbat2> as CCPL +Jun 19 15:43:34 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jun 19 15:44:04 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369725 +Jun 19 15:44:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369725 "Satisfy attribution on xml/htdocs/errors/en/*.xml"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:44:17 <dabbott> or add another <license/> tag to cover it +Jun 19 15:44:39 <robbat2> i committed that minutes ago already +Jun 19 15:44:43 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, youu have just fixed them +Jun 19 15:45:02 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371429 +Jun 19 15:45:04 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371429 "Check legal aspects of "Larry on Redmond Hills""; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:45:22 <dabbott> a new tag to cover CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 +Jun 19 15:46:01 <robbat2> dabbott, i'll deal w/ the CCPL side. +Jun 19 15:46:17 <robbat2> re the redmond hills, do we need to worry about it being based on the XP wallpaper? +Jun 19 15:46:23 <NeddySeagoon> I don't like the sound of that "Larry on Redmond Hills" at all. +Jun 19 15:46:25 <rich0> That is my main concern. +Jun 19 15:46:36 <rich0> Is it a derivative work? +Jun 19 15:46:48 <robbat2> IANAL, but I think so +Jun 19 15:46:48 <NeddySeagoon> Someone will own the copyright in the image +Jun 19 15:47:15 <NeddySeagoon> If its MS, they will say no +Jun 19 15:48:04 <dabbott> Its more trouble than it is worth dealing with +Jun 19 15:48:07 <rich0> Just compared to the originals at: http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/04/origin-of-windows-xp-default-wallpaper.html +Jun 19 15:48:11 <robbat2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_%28image%29 +Jun 19 15:48:24 <rich0> Seems almost certainly to be covered by copyright - we can't use it without a license. +Jun 19 15:48:27 <dabbott> he said he traced it from an xp wallpaper +Jun 19 15:48:49 <rich0> If it were just a bunch of hills, grass, and clouds (but not THIS hill, grass, and cloud arrangement) we might be ok. +Jun 19 15:49:07 <robbat2> ok, so it's definitely a derivative then, unless we send somebody out there to take a new photo of said hill +Jun 19 15:49:39 <rich0> Believe it or not even that can get touchy - not that it will happen. +Jun 19 15:49:40 <NeddySeagoon> Its more trouble than its worth +Jun 19 15:50:55 <rich0> Ok, so no hosting on Gentoo, or official links/etc seems best. +Jun 19 15:51:16 <NeddySeagoon> !Bug 371543 +Jun 19 15:51:16 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'willikins: help bug' +Jun 19 15:51:23 <robbat2> hmm, that's a bug I should fix +Jun 19 15:51:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371543 +Jun 19 15:51:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 "Offer vector graphic of newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Jun 19 15:52:48 <NeddySeagoon> Not a problem. Our mark is the word Gentoo - regardless of font +Jun 19 15:53:33 <rich0> Should make sure copyright is assigned or understood if we're going to offer it officially. +Jun 19 15:53:46 <rich0> Agree the mark applies regardless. +Jun 19 15:54:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, if its from sping, he can't do that +Jun 19 15:54:19 <rich0> "or understood" :) +Jun 19 15:54:22 <robbat2> he can get a vector image together for us to review +Jun 19 15:55:02 <NeddySeagoon> the best we could get would be a "free to use" agreement +Jun 19 15:55:40 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, are you updating the bug to request that ? +Jun 19 15:56:18 <robbat2> ok, i will +Jun 19 15:56:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371825 +Jun 19 15:56:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371825 "Please order replacement drive for barbet.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF; darkside:trustees +Jun 19 15:56:51 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, probably wouldn't hurt for him to clearly license it appropriately CC-BY-SA or whatever. +Jun 19 15:56:58 <NeddySeagoon> -infra have a $1000 spares and repairs budget - so this need not come to us +Jun 19 15:57:01 <dabbott> should be covered with the infra budget +Jun 19 15:57:20 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, good to hear - makes sense to actually budget for this stuff and then not micromanage. +Jun 19 15:57:23 <dabbott> if not we need to up the budget :) +Jun 19 15:57:45 <robbat2> that's an infra item, not sure why darkside assigned to trustees +Jun 19 15:57:48 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, I have a problem with our marks and CC-BY-SA ... its almost like allowing them to be public domain +Jun 19 15:58:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its renewed on 1st July +Jun 19 15:58:32 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, I'm not suggesting we should allow the use of the marks - only that he as the author should license it for copyright. Maybe we should just get him to agree that it can be used in accordance with the logo guidelines. +Jun 19 15:58:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740 +Jun 19 15:58:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; IN_P; bugs-gentoo:trustees +Jun 19 15:58:52 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works +Jun 19 15:59:12 <NeddySeagoon> I thought we were going to close that as wontfix +Jun 19 15:59:46 <robbat2> ok, will close/re-assign to forums +Jun 19 16:00:14 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, nothing will happen until we get PHP-BB 3 anyway +Jun 19 16:00:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549 +Jun 19 16:00:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; IN_P; belendax:trustees +Jun 19 16:00:43 <NeddySeagoon> awaiting advice from SFLC +Jun 19 16:01:03 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766 +Jun 19 16:01:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees +Jun 19 16:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, should have fixed that +Jun 19 16:02:19 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853 +Jun 19 16:02:21 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; IN_P; mihel:trustees +Jun 19 16:02:28 <NeddySeagoon> Thats about to be fixed +Jun 19 16:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 343975 +Jun 19 16:02:48 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; darkside:trustees +Jun 19 16:03:21 <robbat2> that's resolved already +Jun 19 16:03:31 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm - it says IN_P... but its fixed +Jun 19 16:03:40 <rich0> Hit refresh +Jun 19 16:03:55 <dabbott> On the new mexico website don't you just put Gentoo in search to get to the info ? +Jun 19 16:04:25 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you hadn't updated your search page ;-) +Jun 19 16:04:33 <robbat2> dabbott, in one of the boxes yes +Jun 19 16:04:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm in firefox as galeon broke on me, so I've lost the link I had :( +Jun 19 16:05:23 <dabbott> No Records Found http://164.64.53.200/CorpSearch/%28S%28lyyitmn1g0puvfjfa3woac45%29%29/CorpSearch.aspx?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC// +Jun 19 16:05:43 <NeddySeagoon> I need to go. I'll be back as soon as I can. robbat2 would you take over the chair please +Jun 19 16:05:47 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, go +Jun 19 16:05:48 <rich0> Odd +Jun 19 16:05:53 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Jun 19 16:06:00 <dabbott> later NeddySeagoon +Jun 19 16:06:01 <robbat2> !bug 363871 +Jun 19 16:06:02 <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs +Jun 19 16:06:06 <robbat2> that's in progress with me still +Jun 19 16:06:22 <robbat2> and I think that covers all of the bugs +Jun 19 16:06:55 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott: did I miss any bugs before we move to new business? +Jun 19 16:07:48 <dabbott> no thats it +Jun 19 16:07:52 <rich0> don't think so +Jun 19 16:08:00 <robbat2> ok, new business. +Jun 19 16:08:21 <robbat2> 5.1. upcoming purchase request for masterdistfiles.gentoo.org hardware +Jun 19 16:08:46 <robbat2> i think infra should just put the purchase req together and submit it, I don't have any concerns about it. +Jun 19 16:09:07 <dabbott> +1 whatever is needed +Jun 19 16:09:19 <rich0> Don't think I've heard about that one. +Jun 19 16:09:54 <robbat2> it dates back to last year, when GNi was closing down, we wanted to purchase two new machines as replacements for some of the stuff that was at GNi +Jun 19 16:10:01 <robbat2> but we found some sponsor hardware instead +Jun 19 16:10:23 <robbat2> but for masterdistfiles, we really need a high-storage box physically located at OSL +Jun 19 16:10:43 <robbat2> since that's where we have to feed the mirror infrastructure from +Jun 19 16:11:43 <rich0> Ok, seems reasonable. Has the proposal already been circulated? +Jun 19 16:11:52 <rich0> Or are we asking them to write one up for a final OK? +Jun 19 16:12:07 <robbat2> there was a rough version last year, that needs a write up +Jun 19 16:12:23 <rich0> I'm also fine with giving a general budget to operate in and leaving it up to infra to work out the details. +Jun 19 16:12:24 <robbat2> moving on then +Jun 19 16:12:28 <rich0> ok +Jun 19 16:12:36 <robbat2> 5.2. FISL conference funding +Jun 19 16:12:39 <robbat2> rafaelmartins are you here? +Jun 19 16:12:49 <rafaelmartins> here +Jun 19 16:13:13 <robbat2> your last response said you were going to get back to us +Jun 19 16:13:36 <robbat2> since it's next week, i hope you've found somewhere local to make them for you, or you're burning already +Jun 19 16:13:48 <rafaelmartins> ok... it's almost impossible to find a company there that gets an iso and artwork, and get paid using paypal +Jun 19 16:14:34 <rafaelmartins> then I'll pay it myself and ask for reimburse, if you guys approve the funding +Jun 19 16:14:46 <robbat2> do you have a ballpark figure? +Jun 19 16:15:45 <rafaelmartins> I'll do 200 copies... a copy should cost ~1 USD there... I'll have a final value tomorrow +Jun 19 16:16:29 <dabbott> ok +Jun 19 16:16:51 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott, proposal of up to $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs? +Jun 19 16:17:01 <dabbott> seconded +Jun 19 16:17:06 <rich0> aye +Jun 19 16:17:11 <dabbott> yes +Jun 19 16:17:12 <robbat2> carried +Jun 19 16:17:16 <robbat2> aye +Jun 19 16:17:31 <rich0> Again, wouldn't hurt long-term to equip somebody in the EU for these sorts of things long-term to save costs. +Jun 19 16:17:38 <robbat2> rich0, he's in brazil +Jun 19 16:17:40 <rich0> No bearing on present situation. +Jun 19 16:17:41 <robbat2> not EU +Jun 19 16:17:42 <rich0> yup +Jun 19 16:17:51 <rafaelmartins> yeah :( +Jun 19 16:18:02 <rich0> EU just a special case with VAT and open borders/etc. +Jun 19 16:18:18 <dabbott> rafaelmartins, take a picture of the receipt and send it to us for our records +Jun 19 16:18:26 <robbat2> rafaelmartins, you're good to go. please open a bug with a scan of your invoice (redact your CC # please) for reimbursement +Jun 19 16:18:27 <rafaelmartins> dabbott, of course +Jun 19 16:18:39 <rafaelmartins> thank you guys :) +Jun 19 16:18:43 <rafaelmartins> robbat2, ok +Jun 19 16:18:55 <rich0> rafaelmartins, Thanks for representing Gentoo! :) +Jun 19 16:18:56 <dabbott> np, thanks for doing it +Jun 19 16:19:16 <robbat2> 5.3. gentoo.xxx domain +Jun 19 16:19:53 <robbat2> background: the .xxx TLD is opening up, and unlike other TLDs, there is a period upfront that can be used to blacklist the domain forever +Jun 19 16:20:20 <robbat2> however it costs $200USD+vat +Jun 19 16:20:45 <dabbott> no one is going to think of Gentoo Linux when the vist gentoo.xxx I say don't wotrry about it +Jun 19 16:20:51 <rich0> ++ +Jun 19 16:21:04 <rich0> Christian made a good argument. +Jun 19 16:21:16 <rich0> Unless we're going to buy every TLD, what's the point? +Jun 19 16:21:22 <robbat2> agreed +Jun 19 16:21:32 <robbat2> ok, so we resolve to ignore the .xxx TLD +Jun 19 16:21:37 <rich0> If they use the logo/etc then we have a case against them. +Jun 19 16:21:49 <robbat2> on entirely seperate and more solid grounds +Jun 19 16:22:23 <robbat2> ok, that's all of the new business on the agenda +Jun 19 16:22:34 <robbat2> any other new business items that weren't agenda'd ahead of time? +Jun 19 16:23:02 <rich0> None here. +Jun 19 16:23:21 <dabbott> I can't think of anything +Jun 19 16:23:55 <robbat2> 6. membership applications +Jun 19 16:24:02 <robbat2> none this month that I see +Jun 19 16:24:10 <robbat2> 7. advertising requests +Jun 19 16:24:11 <robbat2> also none +Jun 19 16:24:24 <robbat2> lastly cleanup stuff +Jun 19 16:24:27 <dabbott> when were we going to do another meeting for an additional Treasure Report +Jun 19 16:24:41 <robbat2> i don't know. that needs quantumsummers_ +Jun 19 16:25:18 <robbat2> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Jul 2011 19:00 UTC +Jun 19 16:25:35 <dabbott> fine here afaik +Jun 19 16:26:13 <robbat2> rich0, good for you? +Jun 19 16:26:22 <robbat2> it works for me +Jun 19 16:26:24 <rich0> Fine here - gotta fix the Google Calendar... +Jun 19 16:26:45 <robbat2> ok, that's set then +Jun 19 16:26:50 <robbat2> any other business? +Jun 19 16:27:05 <rich0> Somebody had it at 19:00 EST, now I set it to 19:00 GMT+0, which somehow is treated as BST. +Jun 19 16:27:17 <robbat2> ah +Jun 19 16:27:42 <robbat2> any other business, going once +Jun 19 16:28:01 <robbat2> twice +Jun 19 16:28:20 <robbat2> ok, moving on +Jun 19 16:28:37 <robbat2> i'll post the log + minutes +Jun 19 16:28:39 <dabbott> I can do both I think I have a log here +Jun 19 16:28:53 <robbat2> ok, i'll defer to you, i've got a bunch of infra stuff for this afternoon +Jun 19 16:29:08 <robbat2> i'll do the motions listing from your minutes +Jun 19 16:29:19 <robbat2> i don't think we have any emails to send +Jun 19 16:29:31 <robbat2> so that just leaves open floor +Jun 19 16:30:13 <dabbott> just the one motion $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs +Jun 19 16:30:31 <antarus> Wait, we can reimburse porn purchases? +Jun 19 16:31:01 <robbat2> antarus, you'll have to work it off in trade, "devs of a gentoo" calendar +Jun 19 16:31:07 <robbat2> *"Devs of Gentoo" +Jun 19 16:31:52 <robbat2> nothing else for open floor, so I declare this meeting closed +Jun 19 16:31:59 * robbat2 bangs his imaginary gavel diff --git a/2011/20110717_gentoo-trustees.07-17.log.txt b/2011/20110717_gentoo-trustees.07-17.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..aa215ff --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110717_gentoo-trustees.07-17.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,267 @@ +17:31 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to call the meeting to order +17:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +17:31 <@dabbott> present +17:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +17:32 * quantumsummers is present +17:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, robbat2 rich0 # +17:32 <@rich0> present +17:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, whe have a quorum, so lets start +17:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, You have the floor. You have quite a list there +17:33 <@quantumsummers> :) yes I do ... +17:34 <@quantumsummers> TL;DR Summary: All things are progressing well. :) +17:34 <@robbat2> pong +17:35 <@quantumsummers> Treasurer Report: Still working on this. I have all data for paypal, am awaiting fax of capital 1 account statements. +17:36 <@quantumsummers> Wanted to get with Robin re: a ledger instance for our financial data +17:36 <@NeddySeagoon> We said we will move the AGM to August - is that still a good time to present it ? +17:36 <@quantumsummers> I have written a python script t convert the paypal CSV into OFX format (useful in general) +17:36 <@robbat2> what's the date of the august meeting again? +17:36 <@dabbott> 21st Aug +17:37 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, I will have the thing done this next week, sorry for the contiinued delay +17:37 <@robbat2> ok, 20% chance I'll be absent from the august meeting, but low enough +17:37 <@quantumsummers> further, I have been working with CPA on summary financials for the entire history of the foundation +17:37 <@NeddySeagoon> No worries - I was more concerned about moving the AGM to August, then missing it next year +17:37 <@quantumsummers> just waiting on Cap1 for their stuff +17:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Will we be billed monthly for costs incurred or one bill at the end ? +17:39 <@quantumsummers> SFLC: nothing really happening with them. I will be attempting to make contact with Karen on Monday, if there is anything anyone wants asked outside the 100 things already on the list, email please. +17:39 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I am trying to do a single bill for 501c3 and 1 bill for taxes +17:39 <@NeddySeagoon> have you told them we will not usethem for our 501c3 ? +17:39 <@quantumsummers> SFLC? No +17:39 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I like that break +17:40 <@quantumsummers> I want to be able to consult in the case its needed +17:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Ah, ok +17:40 <@quantumsummers> Here is soemthing of interest +17:40 <@quantumsummers> few years back the head of the django sw foundation invited me to join a FLOSS Foundations ML +17:41 <@quantumsummers> all of the major FLOSS groups are represented +17:41 <@quantumsummers> I have mainly been just "listening" +17:41 <@quantumsummers> would anyone from the board like to be invited? +17:41 <@quantumsummers> I have found it to be very useful +17:41 <@quantumsummers> anyway, let me know +17:42 <@quantumsummers> there has been discussion related to 501c3 filings and long wait times +17:42 <@NeddySeagoon> right now, I don't have the time +17:42 <@NeddySeagoon> can you pass that on or is it a closed ml ? +17:42 <@rich0> quantumsummers, I wouldn't mind an invite. +17:42 <@quantumsummers> rich0: ok cool. Its a good group, fairly low traffic +17:42 <@rich0> I'm trying to get caught up on compliance and get ahead of issues. +17:43 <@quantumsummers> awesome +17:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm interested too but I won't be active until RL calms down a bit +17:43 <@quantumsummers> anyone else want to get to know your fellow floss non-profit people? +17:43 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I understand completely +17:44 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, send me an invite +17:44 <@quantumsummers> For the record, I do not think the birth of child will effect my participation too much. I should be up alot at night +17:44 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, nope, i've got enough on my plate +17:44 <@quantumsummers> dabbott ok! robbat2 np. +17:44 <@quantumsummers> 3 of 5 is pretty good. +17:45 <@quantumsummers> I can always fwd anything interesting +17:45 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Congratulations! It probably will affect your participation. Infants take a lot of your time +17:45 <@rich0> quantumsummers, congratulations! +17:45 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I cannot afford for it to effect things too much :) +17:46 <@quantumsummers> I can delegate to my minions if necessary +17:46 <@quantumsummers> thanks rich0, I'm really excited +17:46 <@quantumsummers> 1st kid and all +17:46 <@quantumsummers> will have a photo in a gentoo onsie asap +17:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, think about which office you want to keep. We will try to recruit for the other +17:46 <@quantumsummers> onezy? +17:46 <@rich0> quantumsummers, I think I can understand just a bit - stepdaughter brought home orphan kittens 2.5 months ago. +17:46 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: ack +17:47 <@quantumsummers> i have 3 cats at the moment, good ones +17:47 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I married a family too :) +17:48 <@quantumsummers> kids are fun, will have a gentoo-powered monitoring system up by sept +17:48 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway - bact to the agenda +17:48 <@quantumsummers> yes +17:48 <@quantumsummers> so, I think I have covered most things on the list ... I have an attorney here that I ahve worked with for 6 years on call if we need +17:49 <@quantumsummers> I did take care of the trademark thing, and I did hear back from Fenwick people finally +17:49 <@quantumsummers> Question: +17:49 <@quantumsummers> Do we want to have them take care of these things in the future/ +17:49 <@quantumsummers> ? +17:49 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do we have a contract with a CPA ? You were authorised to set something up for 18 months or so +17:49 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I have the paperwork in place. +17:49 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, are they still pro bono for us ? +17:50 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I will discuss that, they are still the attorney of record +17:50 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, what about adding corp to missouri? +17:50 <@quantumsummers> dabbott have not done that yet. Was planning that next week, early +17:50 <@quantumsummers> I have my office as our location outside of NM on the NM filings +17:50 <@quantumsummers> using my PO box as well +17:50 <@dabbott> is all the new mexico stuff done ? +17:51 <@quantumsummers> so, we should get mail +17:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have a 501c3 file date estimate ? +17:52 <@quantumsummers> dabbott I have not filed the annual report yet, just got it. Had a question, got my answer on Friday. Will file next week +17:52 <@quantumsummers> most likely on Tuesday +17:52 <@quantumsummers> $25 fee +17:52 <@quantumsummers> will write a check (checque) +17:52 <@quantumsummers> err, ya know what I mean +17:52 <@quantumsummers> cheque +17:52 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +17:53 <@quantumsummers> so, things are moving along rather smoothly I think. I feel comfortable estimating mid August to file as long as the CPA is fine with everything. +17:53 <@NeddySeagoon> That sound a good - in time for our EGM on 21st of August +17:53 <@quantumsummers> I would like to have an attorney review a few things. I will attempt to get that pro bono or informally first. +17:53 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +17:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have any more ? +17:54 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I will give it my all to make it before the AGM +17:54 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I cannot think of anything right now. +17:54 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, I think you should concentrate on the financial matters and delegate the secretary duties, don't be afraid to ask +17:54 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, your turn on the SSL Options +17:54 <@quantumsummers> dabbott I would prefer that, I think. +17:55 <@robbat2> i'm still pending a response from digicert as to what renewal T&C would be, and ability to expand to more certs if we need them +17:55 <@robbat2> the key difference thus far +17:56 <@robbat2> seems to be that digicert would be handling certs outside of their normal process (vs startcom/cacert where it would have been entirely in their normal process) +17:56 <@robbat2> so no news +17:56 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: what happened with Comodo? +17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, what about the intrusion into your personal data ? +17:57 <@robbat2> oops, my brainfart. s/digicert/comodo/ above +17:57 <@quantumsummers> kk +17:57 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, that was startcom, and one of the reasons we didn't go with them +17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, thanks - I'm fine with that +17:57 <@quantumsummers> Comodo is better? +17:58 <@robbat2> they haven't asked for any of my personal data +17:58 <@robbat2> just links to our corp filing stuff +17:58 <@quantumsummers> cool. if you need anything from me as signatory, please lemme know +17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs +17:58 <@quantumsummers> ^Foundation signatory +17:59 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think there is anything to go through this month. Does anyone want to say anything about our open bugs ? +17:59 <@quantumsummers> everyone that I am aware of that needed payment has been paid +18:00 <@robbat2> it would be nice to get some of the artwork licensing bugs closed +18:00 <@quantumsummers> yes i agree +18:00 <@dabbott> bug 369185 +18:00 <@quantumsummers> also, 327859 (battery) can be closed +18:00 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" and declared as such explicitly (2 places)"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; IN_P; sping:trustees +18:01 <@robbat2> ok, on that, I'd like to explain something re the CCPL +18:01 <@robbat2> for the record +18:01 <@robbat2> (it was already in the recent emails) +18:01 <@NeddySeagoon> go ahead robbat2 +18:01 <@robbat2> CCPL-Sampling-Plus, as a license +18:01 <@robbat2> covers two things: +18:02 <@robbat2> 1. for the original work, unmodified only: CC-NC-SA +18:02 <@robbat2> 2. for any derived/transformed works: CC-BY-SA +18:02 <@robbat2> this means: +18:03 <@robbat2> 1. we need a seperate explicit commercial permission granting mechanism to allow commercial use of the g logo +18:04 <@robbat2> 2. commercial use of the derived works is not blocked at all +18:04 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we already have 1. +18:04 <@NeddySeagoon> 2 is bad +18:04 <@robbat2> why do you think #2 there is bad? +18:05 <@quantumsummers> we should be able to license the use of our trademark for a fee, imo. +18:06 <@quantumsummers> not that peeps are beating down the door or anything +18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Because someone could make a derived work from the G logo and sell it. Its not clear to me how the Logo usage guidelines would apply to derived works, if at all +18:06 <@robbat2> derived is a really large spectrum +18:06 <@rich0> Yup, changing a pixel is probably a derived work. +18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> derived means recognisable as our logo +18:06 <@rich0> Unless the license spells it out. +18:07 <@robbat2> the wording in the actual license is that it must be creatively transformed +18:07 <@robbat2> does one pixel count as creative? +18:07 <@rich0> In that case, likely no. +18:07 <@rich0> Unless it is in /just/ the right place. :) +18:07 <@robbat2> now what happens in the case of re-rendering from the blender sources w/ different lighting? +18:07 <@robbat2> it's a morass +18:07 <@NeddySeagoon> then its a dropped bit +18:08 <@rich0> My general concern with CCPL-Sampling-Plus is that I'm not sure it was really created for trademark purposes. +18:08 -!- mattst88 [~mattst88@gentoo/developer/mattst88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] +18:08 <@NeddySeagoon> that depends on how well our registered logo is defined +18:08 <@robbat2> there is nothing for trademark purposes that I can find +18:08 <@robbat2> perhaps more insightful is what Ubuntu has done +18:09 -!- mattst88 [~mattst88@gentoo/developer/mattst88] has joined #gentoo-trustees +18:09 <@NeddySeagoon> with two logos ? +18:09 <@robbat2> no, they have no license statement on their logos at all, and just have this instead: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ +18:09 <@rich0> Debian does something similar. +18:10 <@rich0> They have the two logos, but again they don't try to license them under CC/etc, but instead just have a policy spelled out that is specific to the trademark. +18:10 <@quantumsummers> I tend to like that, further Debian has excellent legal council +18:11 <@dabbott> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/trademarks/ +18:11 <@rich0> I suspect that something like this is probably better than trying to get a copyright-license designed to promote sharing to fit a trademark where it must be carefully controlled. +18:11 <@quantumsummers> (another reason to take advantage of that ML I mentioned earlier) +18:11 <@rich0> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy +18:11 <@rich0> In fact, the policy for Ubuntu is itself CC licensed so we can even copy/paste it if we attribute them. +18:12 <@quantumsummers> ubuntu is based in EU, no? +18:12 <@quantumsummers> Canonical, I mean +18:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't know +18:13 <@NeddySeagoon> it looks like we should reconsider our logo licence then +18:14 <@robbat2> http://www.canonical.com/legal <-- UK +18:15 <@robbat2> regardless of what we do in terms of a decision, reading and trying to understand all of this has lead me to think that we need to come up with a couple of common cases and explicitly document them for users wanting to do artwork +18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds like a plan +18:16 <@quantumsummers> maybe sping can help with that :D +18:16 <@robbat2> my personal opinion for the license decision itself, is to stick with CCPL, and word it on our page as substantially transformed +18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> well, maybe he can suggest some use cases +18:17 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: sounds reasonable +18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> substantially sounds a bit vague +18:18 <@robbat2> but i'm less concerned with protecting our trademark, I don't think the problem is anywhere near as large as perceived by other trustees +18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, do you have a suggested form of words ? +18:18 <@robbat2> i was going to do it via the use case examples actually +18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Hmm. OK. So we need to poke sping. +18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> any mre on bugs ? +18:19 <@robbat2> not from me +18:19 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, ask that ML meanwhile please? +18:19 <@quantumsummers> the phrase "substantive alteration" has some legal precendent +18:19 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: good idea +18:19 <@quantumsummers> full ack +18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business +18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> New Masterdistfiles Machine +18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Is there a spec yet ? +18:20 <@robbat2> it's darkside's agenda item, and he's not here this weekend +18:20 <@robbat2> i haven't seen a spec +18:20 <@quantumsummers> Nor have I +18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we ask the company that offered us DNS for such a server ? +18:20 <@quantumsummers> I wonder if this could be fit into the quad node I have suggested (maybe not due to disk requirements) +18:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I still owe them a reply +18:21 <@quantumsummers> Cannot hurt to suggest such an idea +18:22 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, if you're going to write said reply, infra is open to more hardware w/ hosting in general +18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to write back and say we could use such and such a box ... +18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok, I'll make it general then +18:22 <@robbat2> the one catch w/ masterdistfiles +18:22 <@robbat2> is that specific box needs to live at OSL +18:22 <@robbat2> due to the mirror infrastructure +18:22 <@quantumsummers> kk, noted +18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +18:22 <@robbat2> so asking any sponsors for that box probably won't fly +18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +18:23 <@robbat2> since most of them have retained ownership & possesion of their hardware +18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> understood +18:23 <@quantumsummers> my 0.02 USD is that we should purchase some useful HW to live at osuosl +18:24 <@robbat2> agreed, just somebody with more time than me needs to put those specs/request together +18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm not against that idea +18:24 <@robbat2> which is hopefully darkside +18:24 <@quantumsummers> also, a consideration: I might be able to score us a cabinet lease in my data center +18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> that brings us to cleanup +18:25 <@quantumsummers> for cheapish +18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> DoNM 21 Aug +18:25 <@quantumsummers> fine by me +18:25 <@robbat2> 20% chance I won't make it, but otherwise fine +18:25 <@dabbott> fine here +18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ? +18:26 <@rich0> also 20% chance of not being able to make it, but likely fine +18:26 <@robbat2> (i'm volunteering at something the night before the meeting, and depends how quickly we get wrapped up, could be anywhere 2-5am before I get home) +18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds like a hell of a party :) +18:27 <@rich0> I have a family vacation around then, but will likely not have an issue attending unless I'm behind the wheel. +18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we move the meeting a week ? +18:27 <@robbat2> it's also immediately after LinuxCon, so i was planning on inviting some of that crowd out to the party +18:27 <@rich0> If anything I suspect that moving it earlier will only increase the risk of my not making it, but uncertain. +18:27 <@dabbott> lets put it off for 1 week +18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> IS the 14th Aug better ? +18:27 <@robbat2> moving it either direction decreases my chance +18:27 <@robbat2> i say we just go for the 21st +18:28 <@dabbott> ok +18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, 21st it is then +18:28 <@quantumsummers> wfm +18:28 <@rich0> Sounds good +18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other Business ? +18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ? +18:28 <@robbat2> no AoB from me +18:28 <@rich0> I was just going to mention that per my manifesto I do intend to create a compliance checklist of sorts for the foundation. +18:29 <@robbat2> +1 +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, sounds good +18:29 <@rich0> Nothing to communicate here, but perhaps stay tuned on the -nfp list. +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +18:29 <@dabbott> rich0, super +18:29 <@quantumsummers> none from me. +18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you always have sounething +18:29 <@quantumsummers> not this time +18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs +18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> and email sping +18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that leaves yu the montions :) +18:30 <@dabbott> I will update the agenda, no motions :) +18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, shoul we dust off thr secretart ad that you responded to ? +18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +d +18:31 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, +1 +18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if thats the office you would like to vacate most +18:32 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I think so. Just need to insure that the person is responsible as they will have legal authority +18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, We made a good choice with yourself ... +18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +18:32 <@quantumsummers> Thanks NeddySeagoon +18:33 * NeddySeagoon silently bangs the virtual gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2011/20110821_trustee.log.txt b/2011/20110821_trustee.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..5f069da --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110821_trustee.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,197 @@ +Aug 21 15:04:44 <quantumsummers> 1> Roll Call +Aug 21 15:04:49 * quantumsummers is present +Aug 21 15:04:51 <dabbott> here +Aug 21 15:05:00 <rich0> here +Aug 21 15:05:20 <quantumsummers> robbat2: you are here +Aug 21 15:05:42 <quantumsummers> 2> who is logging and going to publish? +Aug 21 15:05:45 <robbat2> here +Aug 21 15:05:50 <quantumsummers> :) +Aug 21 15:06:00 <quantumsummers> 2> who is logging and going to publish? +Aug 21 15:06:06 <dabbott> i can +Aug 21 15:06:09 <quantumsummers> thanks +Aug 21 15:06:20 <quantumsummers> 3> Treasurer's report +Aug 21 15:06:53 <quantumsummers> I have submitted this report with a minor mis-calculation for review +Aug 21 15:07:24 <quantumsummers> Further, I will make all data available in a few formats for archival and informational purposes +Aug 21 15:07:39 <quantumsummers> what I have is the following: all paypal data for all time in csv and ods +Aug 21 15:07:57 <quantumsummers> all capital one statements in pdf and ods +Aug 21 15:08:05 <quantumsummers> all ing statements in pdf and ods +Aug 21 15:08:12 <quantumsummers> that covers all our accounts +Aug 21 15:08:21 <robbat2> +1 +Aug 21 15:08:50 <dabbott> can you post a report with links like http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2010-treasurer-report.xml +Aug 21 15:09:16 <dabbott> we can add it to http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/ +Aug 21 15:09:32 <quantumsummers> dabbott I can do that. I wondered about the format +Aug 21 15:09:53 <quantumsummers> what was done previously is more of a narrative +Aug 21 15:10:03 <quantumsummers> I can write the report in narrative form I suppose +Aug 21 15:10:11 <quantumsummers> as well as keeping the data tabular +Aug 21 15:10:31 <rich0> Honestly, I'd probably just write an intro or whatever. The data speaks for itself. No sense burdening ourselves with too much boilerplate. +Aug 21 15:10:33 <dabbott> just so we can find the info, main think is links to the pdf etc in one place +Aug 21 15:10:57 <quantumsummers> rich0: makes sense, something of an executive summary +Aug 21 15:11:14 <quantumsummers> dabbott I will guildexml-ify the info in the pdf +Aug 21 15:11:31 <quantumsummers> that was just for ease of access for you guys to review +Aug 21 15:11:40 <quantumsummers> that I emailed in that format +Aug 21 15:12:37 <quantumsummers> there is a known error somewhere in there. I have not had much luck in tracking it down. Its small by comparison, so I am not terribly troubled by it +Aug 21 15:14:21 <robbat2> FYI all, i'm intending on producing a copy of the data into the Ledger format to reconcile it and give it my own set of eyes +Aug 21 15:14:32 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks +Aug 21 15:14:36 <robbat2> from the original statements + paypal data +Aug 21 15:14:49 <dabbott> we will need a motion to accept the report but need to link to it so we can do that next month +Aug 21 15:14:54 <quantumsummers> I have a python script that may help the paypal conversion to ofx +Aug 21 15:15:46 <quantumsummers> I propose a motion to provisionally accept the report as it stands with the addition of a summary and correction of the minor error as work in progress +Aug 21 15:15:56 <robbat2> seconded +Aug 21 15:15:59 <quantumsummers> and xml-ification +Aug 21 15:16:08 <quantumsummers> Please vote, gentlemen +Aug 21 15:16:13 <robbat2> aye +Aug 21 15:16:17 <quantumsummers> aye +Aug 21 15:16:27 <rich0> aye +Aug 21 15:16:28 <dabbott> ok +Aug 21 15:16:39 <quantumsummers> Motion has passed. Let it be so. +Aug 21 15:17:00 <quantumsummers> 3> Special Motion to move the AGM from April to August +Aug 21 15:17:37 <quantumsummers> keeping the same 3rd Sunday of the month +Aug 21 15:17:40 <robbat2> to clarify, this means the next AGM will be august 2012, or is it this present august +Aug 21 15:17:53 <quantumsummers> Next +Aug 21 15:17:58 <quantumsummers> we already had our AGM this year +Aug 21 15:18:23 <quantumsummers> this meeting is an extraordinary general meeting, in addition to the previous AGM +Aug 21 15:18:36 <dabbott> the by-lays state not more than 13 months Why not have the AGM today and then again next Aug to satisfy Section 3.2. in the by-laws. http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/BylawsAdopted.xml#doc_chap3 +Aug 21 15:18:58 <quantumsummers> Yes, that is what we are doing with the EGM +Aug 21 15:19:01 <rich0> Is there any issue of meeting notice? Do we have to announce it? +Aug 21 15:19:25 <dabbott> quantumsummers, great :) +Aug 21 15:19:35 <quantumsummers> rich0: we already did, I belive +Aug 21 15:19:42 <quantumsummers> we announce every meeting +Aug 21 15:19:45 <robbat2> right, i see it now. since the EGM is today, and it's only 12 months to next August, that covers the bylaws +Aug 21 15:19:48 <rich0> Yeah, I was trying to remember if I had seen something. It is in IRC for sure. +Aug 21 15:20:19 <robbat2> I second the motion +Aug 21 15:20:19 <quantumsummers> rich0: it would be fine to also post to ML (foundation-announce) +Aug 21 15:20:26 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks +Aug 21 15:20:33 <quantumsummers> Please vote now: +Aug 21 15:20:40 <robbat2> aye +Aug 21 15:20:41 <rich0> aye +Aug 21 15:20:42 <quantumsummers> aye +Aug 21 15:20:47 <dabbott> yes +Aug 21 15:20:56 <quantumsummers> Motion passed, Let it be so. +Aug 21 15:21:11 <quantumsummers> Therefore, the next AGM will be held in August 2012 +Aug 21 15:21:33 <quantumsummers> the exact date to be decided and announced +Aug 21 15:21:38 <quantumsummers> at a later date +Aug 21 15:21:58 <quantumsummers> 4.1> Date of Next Meeting - 18th Sep 2011 19:00 UTC +Aug 21 15:22:02 <quantumsummers> wfm +Aug 21 15:22:19 <quantumsummers> fellows, will that date and time work for everyone? +Aug 21 15:22:31 <dabbott> fine here +Aug 21 15:22:31 <rich0> fine by me +Aug 21 15:22:37 <robbat2> fine by me +Aug 21 15:22:37 <quantumsummers> robbat2? +Aug 21 15:22:40 <quantumsummers> ok. +Aug 21 15:22:55 <quantumsummers> the date of our next meeting is set: 18th Sep 2011 19:00 UTC +Aug 21 15:23:19 <quantumsummers> Lets take care of 4.3 ahead of 4.2 +Aug 21 15:23:48 <quantumsummers> Responsibilities: are they covered? Logs and Motions?-> dabbott? +Aug 21 15:23:57 <quantumsummers> I will post the report +Aug 21 15:23:58 <dabbott> yep I got it +Aug 21 15:24:01 <quantumsummers> no emails to send +Aug 21 15:24:16 <quantumsummers> Excellent, thanks dabbott +Aug 21 15:24:16 <robbat2> 2 motions so far to for the motions page +Aug 21 15:24:22 <quantumsummers> yes +Aug 21 15:24:42 <dabbott> robbat2, noted :) +Aug 21 15:24:42 <quantumsummers> 4.4 Any Other Business: +Aug 21 15:24:46 <robbat2> (fyi, i just noticed we have 'any other business' twice on the agenda) +Aug 21 15:24:54 <quantumsummers> as did I :) +Aug 21 15:24:57 <robbat2> yes, we have AoB +Aug 21 15:24:57 <quantumsummers> I have one item +Aug 21 15:25:00 <rich0> Just one item for me +Aug 21 15:25:12 <quantumsummers> lets hear it +Aug 21 15:25:24 <quantumsummers> robbat2: you first (fifo) +Aug 21 15:25:36 <robbat2> i suspect we're all on the same item actually +Aug 21 15:25:40 <robbat2> the new turkey vendor email +Aug 21 15:26:37 <robbat2> The vendor in question, Penguenci.com Destek, is a non-profit turkish CD/DVD vendor +Aug 21 15:26:43 <robbat2> http://www.penguenci.com/dukkan/index.php?route=product/manufacturer&manufacturer_id=39 +Aug 21 15:27:14 <quantumsummers> I do not see any issues. +Aug 21 15:27:29 <rich0> If I'm reading that site the CDs are sold for about $3, which certainly seems to be close to cost (plus handling/etc). +Aug 21 15:27:39 <robbat2> their pricing is very cheap, 6 Turkish Lira is ~3.30USD, yes +Aug 21 15:27:53 <quantumsummers> I cannot read the site at all really +Aug 21 15:28:07 <robbat2> and they are up to date, 11.2 is on there already +Aug 21 15:28:23 <rich0> Seems fine to me. +Aug 21 15:28:33 <quantumsummers> Motion: Approve Penguenci.com Destek as official vendor. +Aug 21 15:28:37 <robbat2> seconded +Aug 21 15:28:37 <rich0> seconded +Aug 21 15:28:41 <rich0> aye +Aug 21 15:28:43 <quantumsummers> Please vote +Aug 21 15:28:43 <robbat2> aye +Aug 21 15:28:47 <quantumsummers> aye +Aug 21 15:28:47 <dabbott> yes +Aug 21 15:29:01 <quantumsummers> Motion passed. +Aug 21 15:29:15 <quantumsummers> rich0: what is your item, same one? +Aug 21 15:29:23 <robbat2> i'll add the vendor to the relevant page +Aug 21 15:29:23 <rich0> Nope +Aug 21 15:29:29 <rich0> Just a quickie +Aug 21 15:29:29 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks +Aug 21 15:29:31 <dabbott> robbat2, ok +Aug 21 15:29:34 <rich0> Just a quick note to all to take a look at: http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/activities/activity_tracker.xml +Aug 21 15:29:35 <rich0> Feel free to contribute or to create new activity pages for anything you have close knowledge of. Consider everything there draft for now so apologies if I get roles/responsibilities wrong/etc. +Aug 21 15:30:24 <rich0> And feel free to send me notes to clean up and add. +Aug 21 15:30:27 <rich0> That's all. +Aug 21 15:30:31 <quantumsummers> rich0: the last Annual Report - New Mexico filing was 2010/10 +Aug 21 15:30:55 <rich0> Excellent, thanks. +Aug 21 15:31:14 <rich0> Oh, did we file in Missouri yet? +Aug 21 15:31:26 <rich0> If so we have an annual report coming due. +Aug 21 15:31:33 <quantumsummers> not yet, that is pending legal review of our by laws +Aug 21 15:31:41 <quantumsummers> yes, I have the report to submit already +Aug 21 15:31:46 <quantumsummers> its complete +Aug 21 15:31:47 <rich0> Ok, I'd hold off until September in any case. +Aug 21 15:32:02 <quantumsummers> ok. anything else rich0? +Aug 21 15:32:08 <rich0> nope, that's all for me. +Aug 21 15:32:16 <quantumsummers> oh, change the annual meeting on there +Aug 21 15:32:18 <quantumsummers> :) +Aug 21 15:32:24 <quantumsummers> I have one item. +Aug 21 15:33:27 <quantumsummers> I would like to submit an application for partnership with Calxeda, who is producing some very interesting ARM tech for servers. I have another dev, Dr. Anthony Basile, on board as PI. +Aug 21 15:34:01 <quantumsummers> info is here http://calxeda.com/partners.php +Aug 21 15:34:28 <quantumsummers> canonical is on board as a distro, I would like Gentoo to be there too +Aug 21 15:34:40 <robbat2> any costs to us? +Aug 21 15:34:46 <quantumsummers> main tech is ~120 4-core nodes in a 2U case +Aug 21 15:34:58 <quantumsummers> robbat2: not that I am aware of. the HW is free +Aug 21 15:35:05 <robbat2> that sounds similar to a crowd that tried MIPS stuff +Aug 21 15:35:15 <robbat2> ok, i have no objections then +Aug 21 15:35:24 <quantumsummers> yes, they ran gentoo in a mips hpc cluster +Aug 21 15:35:34 <quantumsummers> up in boston/cambridge +Aug 21 15:35:50 <robbat2> * SiCortex +Aug 21 15:35:55 <quantumsummers> yes +Aug 21 15:36:00 <rich0> Do we have support from the ARM arch team, or others as needed? +Aug 21 15:36:25 <quantumsummers> have not contacted anyone, blueness has the requisite experience +Aug 21 15:36:30 <rich0> If Anthony is taking the lead from the dev side that is probably sufficient / etc. +Aug 21 15:36:31 <quantumsummers> and interest +Aug 21 15:36:41 <rich0> Yup, just wanted to make sure that it had backing. +Aug 21 15:36:52 <robbat2> the arm folk will be interested in the build abilities of that hardware +Aug 21 15:36:53 <quantumsummers> he and I will team up on this, at minimum. others are welcome +Aug 21 15:37:03 <quantumsummers> robbat2: I bet you are right +Aug 21 15:37:15 <quantumsummers> there are 2 variants of partnership +Aug 21 15:37:15 <robbat2> as that beats the Kirkwood board I run for them presently +Aug 21 15:37:18 <rich0> So, what exactly is Gentoo doing (just curious - seems great). +Aug 21 15:37:26 <quantumsummers> one is you get your own system, the other is remote access +Aug 21 15:38:11 <quantumsummers> rich0: blueness and I are interested in porting hardened, for one. Also looking into message passing (one of my interests) via rabbitmq. +Aug 21 15:38:26 <quantumsummers> we are working up the proposal currently +Aug 21 15:38:48 <quantumsummers> wanted to make sure it was cool with the board before putting in a ton of effort +Aug 21 15:38:59 <robbat2> +1 from me +Aug 21 15:39:02 <dabbott> fine by me, have fun +Aug 21 15:39:17 <rich0> Sounds good to me - Gentoo is perfect if you ask me for these kinds of trailblazing applications. +Aug 21 15:39:33 <quantumsummers> robbat2: as another potential there is ZT systems, they have a nice 8 node 2-core 1U system but its expensive +Aug 21 15:39:42 <quantumsummers> rich0: I agree completely +Aug 21 15:40:06 <quantumsummers> blueness wants to contact them as well +Aug 21 15:40:43 <quantumsummers> their system is $20K, so we would have to get a massive discount and financial assistance from somewhere for that to be possible +Aug 21 15:40:59 <quantumsummers> in any case, this is just a start. thanks for the support +Aug 21 15:41:07 <rich0> So, what is the 5 words or less description of Gentoo for the logo? :) +Aug 21 15:41:35 <rich0> (no need to settle that now) +Aug 21 15:41:45 <quantumsummers> not sure +Aug 21 15:41:52 <rich0> Gentoo - We Supply the Clues +Aug 21 15:41:56 <quantumsummers> heh +Aug 21 15:42:01 <robbat2> lol +Aug 21 15:42:39 <quantumsummers> ok, any other items for AOB? +Aug 21 15:43:51 <dabbott> none here +Aug 21 15:44:12 <quantumsummers> goin once +Aug 21 15:44:15 <quantumsummers> twice +Aug 21 15:44:20 <quantumsummers> three times a lady +Aug 21 15:44:28 <quantumsummers> 4.5 Open floor +Aug 21 15:44:50 <quantumsummers> anyone interested in voicing their ideas and opinions, please speak now +Aug 21 15:45:13 <quantumsummers> I do hope that Roy is ok. Not like him to miss a meeting. +Aug 21 15:45:16 * rich0 listens eagerly to the crickets... +Aug 21 15:45:37 <quantumsummers> well then... going once +Aug 21 15:45:58 <quantumsummers> going twice for open floor - have your voice heard here! +Aug 21 15:46:04 <quantumsummers> ... +Aug 21 15:46:07 <quantumsummers> ... +Aug 21 15:46:07 <robbat2> none for me +Aug 21 15:46:21 <quantumsummers> thrice gone +Aug 21 15:46:37 <quantumsummers> and the floor is closed. diff --git a/2011/20110918_trustee.log.txt b/2011/20110918_trustee.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..eef0d03 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20110918_trustee.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,447 @@ +20:01 * bluebottle bangs the gavel to call the September meeting to order +20:01 <@bluebottle> roll call +20:01 <@dabbott> here +20:02 <@bluebottle> I'm on my netbook as my main box just locked up +20:02 <@quantumsummers> present +20:02 <@bluebottle> quantumsummers, robbat2 +20:02 <@rich0> here +20:03 <@bluebottle> robbat2, +20:03 <@bluebottle> OK lets start ... would someone else like to chair? +20:03 <@robbat2> hi +20:03 <@bluebottle> 1024x800 is a bit cramped +20:03 <@robbat2> just in time :-) +20:04 <@quantumsummers> bluebottle: I can chair, if you like. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks. My main box just decided to speak to me +20:05 <@quantumsummers> it happens ;) +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Whos logging ? I am +20:05 <@robbat2> my logs are always on +20:05 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon, for logging. +20:05 <@quantumsummers> 3) Old business. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> carry on quantumsummers you have the chair +20:06 <@quantumsummers> Looks like its me. :) +20:06 * NeddySeagoon passes the gavel +20:06 <@quantumsummers> thanks +20:06 <@quantumsummers> ok, 1.) Financials +20:06 <@quantumsummers> 1.1 robbat2 still need send you the files for archival +20:07 <@quantumsummers> 1.2 working on xml-ing the report +20:07 <@robbat2> yeah, also I wanted to see about Ledger format for them (for anonymized publication) +20:07 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: right, that is fine. We do need to redact the hell out of the paypalfiles +20:08 <@quantumsummers> that is trivial, mostly +20:08 < darkside_> ls +20:08 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: hmm? +20:09 < darkside_> sorry +20:09 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:09 <@quantumsummers> \np +20:09 <@quantumsummers> 2. SFLC +20:09 <@robbat2> re that really quickly, the best form I came up with is replacing it with [paypal-user-$TIMESTAMP], so correlations (publishing patterns of the same person) can be avoided +20:09 <@quantumsummers> replacing what exactly? +20:10 -!- Arfrever [~Arfrever@gentoo/developer/Arfrever] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] +20:10 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, their name in the Ledger source +20:10 <@robbat2> anyway, reso later +20:10 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I see. Why not strip it before converting to Ledger? +20:10 <@robbat2> i'll show you later +20:10 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:10 <@quantumsummers> 2. SFLC nothing to report. +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to make each and every paypal transaction public? We need to keep traceability internally. Is a periodic total adequate ? +20:11 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, i was going to publish the anonymized Ledger files to show complete accounting history for us, just makes it easier to trace bugs +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, OK. I was looking to minimise the workload +20:12 <@quantumsummers> we are not technically required to post any data beyond the reports, at least by any law in the US +20:12 <@robbat2> i have build scripts for ledgers ;-) +20:12 <@quantumsummers> cool +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that sounds pretty minimal then +20:13 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, next item, CPA +20:13 <@quantumsummers> 3. CPA: they should be finished preparing this years filings in the next week or so for our review. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> will they be billing us ? +20:13 <@quantumsummers> so, I'll pass that around before I sign it +20:13 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, after everything is filed we will be invoiced +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Good - like a proper business +20:14 <@quantumsummers> I expect the bill in mid October +20:14 <@rich0> Will that completely catch us up? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> we can take awhile to pay with a 1% finance fee if we need (not necessary from my POV) +20:15 <@quantumsummers> rich0: we shall see. I am optimistic that everything is in order. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> We should pay our bills on time - no need to incurr interest on the invoice +20:15 <@rich0> wonderful! +20:15 <@quantumsummers> Since we were able to get quite a few years of data to them, there were no real issues +20:15 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I agree +20:15 <@rich0> Agreed - no sense financing with our present situation unless you tell me the bills is $40k or something crazy. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats all the history we need for 501c3 too ? +20:16 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that is what I have been told +20:16 <@quantumsummers> we have paypal back to the beginning +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats a huge milestone. Well done +20:16 <@quantumsummers> Thanks. It was a huge pain to download all that stuff. +20:16 <@rich0> Yes - a very nice turn of events. +20:17 <@quantumsummers> CPA was happy with the data +20:17 <@quantumsummers> they are working with it, minimal questions so far +20:17 <@quantumsummers> ok, so that is CPA +20:17 <@quantumsummers> 4) 1023 +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> The CPA needs to get this out of the way before progressing 501c3 ? +20:18 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: no +20:18 <@quantumsummers> but it will all be done about the same time +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah , ok +20:19 <@quantumsummers> I have lucked out and gotten a couple of attorneys that I am working with to bolster our bylaws +20:19 <@quantumsummers> they are working pro bono for the soncult +20:19 <@quantumsummers> *consult +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good +20:19 <@quantumsummers> we need a bunch of additional legalese +20:19 <@quantumsummers> apparently +20:19 <@quantumsummers> its mostly boiler plate +20:20 <@quantumsummers> my wife and I are working on some of the descriptive narrative still +20:20 <@quantumsummers> Haven't had as much time as I had hoped due to deadlines with work. +20:21 <@quantumsummers> In any case, it will be ready soon enough +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to have the membership vote on it or is its a case its 'must have' so there is nothing to vote on ? +20:22 <@quantumsummers> Much of it is required. There is no technical reason to have the membership vote. +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> That keeps it simplle - I'm all for that +20:22 <@rich0> I'd recommend posting the proposed new bylaws to -nfp for openness. +20:22 <@quantumsummers> We will need to ratify the document, however. Then I will sign it +20:22 <@quantumsummers> rich0: Ok. not a problem. +20:23 <@quantumsummers> They will be published as part of the public record regardless +20:23 <@rich0> In the likely event that there are no strong opinions then we'll just move forward. +20:23 <@quantumsummers> Alright. Sounds fine. +20:23 <@rich0> Just trying to keep the community spirit - avoid bureaucracy but not openness. +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, The bylaws require that we notify the members before changes come into force - so it will go the -foundation-announce list but no harm in brining it to the attention of prospective menbers too +20:24 <@quantumsummers> rich0: I agree completely, I believe the spirit is secured +20:24 <@quantumsummers> I think of the material being added like function decorators in python. +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:25 <@rich0> Agreed +20:25 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll wait until I read it. +20:25 <@quantumsummers> any further questions for me? +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Not from me +20:26 <@quantumsummers> 1..2..3..moving on +20:26 <@quantumsummers> Mr. Robin robbat2 Johnson +20:26 <@robbat2> yes? +20:26 <@quantumsummers> Please update us on the SSL, good sir. +20:26 <@robbat2> ah, SSL +20:27 <@robbat2> no response from any of the vendors to my questions re PII or wildcards +20:27 <@robbat2> i think all of them are in a holding pattern re the current state of the CA world +20:27 <@robbat2> it's a house of cards that's coming down +20:27 <@quantumsummers> Its that bad? +20:27 <@rich0> I was going to suggest that we could probably get a really good rate from DigiNotar. +20:28 <@robbat2> i think it's going get even worse +20:28 <@rich0> It would only be somewhat less useless than cacert. :) +20:28 <@robbat2> several things need to happen to improve the state of affairs +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, care to summarise the issues ? +20:28 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: in that case, we may need to take some precautions of our own. +20:28 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, basically, the guy that did DigiNotar in also claims to have hit several other CAs +20:28 <@robbat2> whom have mostly denied it +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks +20:29 <@robbat2> but so did DigiNotar at first +20:29 <@robbat2> anyway, the potential improvements: +20:30 <@robbat2> option a) CA centralization as we know it goes away, and gets replaced w/ something like Notaries/Perspectives (large-scale polling of the correctness of a cert) +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> like the key signing web of trust ? +20:30 <@robbat2> option b) multiple things to patch up the current CA stuff: DNSSEC, HTTP cert pinning, DNS cert pinning +20:30 <@robbat2> not really +20:31 <@rich0> So, are we suggesting that we have any influence over any of this? Or, are we stuck going with the flow until it either collapses or somebody manages to get everybody to support certs in DNSSEC records? +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I'll read up on it. No point in using meeting time to educate me +20:32 <@rich0> My sense is that despite all its warts the CA system is what currently exists, and so we have to go with it at least a little longer. +20:32 <@robbat2> i'm going to pursue what is available under option B for now +20:32 <@rich0> Now, I'm all for having the distro try to get new technologies adopted. +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Is there any point in moving until the dust settles ? +20:33 <@robbat2> but I suggest that everybody installs perspectives/notaries in their browsers +20:33 <@robbat2> it looks likely that Chrome will have perspectives built in sometime in the very near future +20:33 <@quantumsummers> interesting +20:33 <@robbat2> there's just one design issue being worked out +20:34 <@robbat2> option a) is entirely client-side for fixes, so I can't force it +20:35 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, in terms of talking to CA's, i'll continue when they respond to me +20:35 <@robbat2> attacking the problem from as many angles as possible +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok +20:35 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: would it be worthwhile to approach thawte? +20:36 <@robbat2> not really +20:37 <@robbat2> anyway, that's all on SSL from me +20:37 <@robbat2> i need to vanish for a sec for my wife, brb ~5-10 +20:38 <@quantumsummers> alright. +20:38 <@quantumsummers> lets move to rich0's Tracker +20:38 <@rich0> Ok +20:38 <@rich0> So, the main page is actually fairly good at this point. It reflects reality (I think), and the next due column should be considered a useful reference. +20:39 -!- keytoaster [~tobias@gentoo/developer/keytoaster] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:39 <@rich0> Maybe I'll re-sort it by the next-due date for at-a-glance reference. +20:39 <@rich0> The next real improvement would be adding in the individual activity pages so that they are useful as a reference - a 990 for dummies page, etc. +20:40 <@quantumsummers> rich0: for certain action items, I would love to see who has taken the responsibility for the task included somewhere. +20:40 <@rich0> Now, that doesn't have to mean how to do a 990 from scratch. 990 for dummies might be gather a,b,c and send to CPA. +20:40 <@rich0> quantumsummers, yes, the Who column at the front is a big gap - missed that. +20:40 <@rich0> Is that something we can quickly build consensus on here? +20:40 <@quantumsummers> probably not without Robin +20:41 <@quantumsummers> for the entirety +20:41 <@rich0> Ok, then I can send something out in email to get it moving. Maybe I'll throw out a proposal and see what all say. +20:41 <@quantumsummers> sounds great +20:41 <@quantumsummers> thanks rich0 +20:41 <@rich0> I did actually get a compliment from drobbins on the whole thing. +20:41 <@dabbott> thanks rich0 +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> The who should be the office holder +20:42 <@rich0> Agreed +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> office title* +20:42 <@rich0> Actually, I'll probably just post the title +20:42 <@rich0> yes +20:42 <@rich0> Treasurer, secretary, president, etc +20:42 <@quantumsummers> as far as documenting the standard operating procedures (i.e. what to do for 990), that is really a great idea +20:42 <@rich0> yes - I can go ahead and create more skeleton pages like the two out there, but I'll need to rely on others to provide the details. +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> If we hire a CPA to make the submissions we don't need a HOWTO +20:43 <@quantumsummers> rich0: I can provide the details on much of that stuff. +20:43 <@rich0> Well, the howto could be just a list of docs we need to provide to the CPA, how much lead time they need, and so on. +20:43 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: need a howto to get the correct info to the COA +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Yes - good one +20:43 <@quantumsummers> in case I am hit by th ebus +20:43 <@rich0> Basically if a meteor strike takes out all trustees this will help the next generation. +20:43 <@rich0> Assuming they have a working internet. +20:44 <@quantumsummers> lets hope this does not come to pass, but prepare for it anyway +20:44 <@rich0> Oh, and the other thing the howtos will state is what to publish where for openness. +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:44 <@rich0> So basically it lets anybody audit us, and that means we're less likely to miss something. +20:44 <@quantumsummers> *cough* excellent use of a wiki ** +20:44 <@rich0> There we go - gentoo-wiki. :) +20:44 * rich0 ducks +20:45 <@quantumsummers> rich0: anything further? +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - it would be a start +20:45 <@rich0> No, I think that sums it up. I'll see if I can focus next on the roles/responsibilities. +20:45 <@quantumsummers> ok, thanks rich0. +20:45 <@quantumsummers> Lets move on to bugs, shall we? +20:45 <@rich0> sure +20:45 <@dabbott> Nothing much new in the bugs department +20:46 <@quantumsummers> dabbott ok. I have let those silde under my radar I think. +20:47 <@quantumsummers> so, I should move on? +20:47 <@dabbott> yes we can go over them next month if needed +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> please +20:47 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:47 <@quantumsummers> New Business +20:47 <@quantumsummers> Infra Purchase Request +20:47 <@dabbott> I think this next one is for darkside_ +20:49 <@robbat2> back +20:49 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: the infra purchase requests +20:49 -!- ABCD [~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] +20:49 <@quantumsummers> did darkside_jump out of a plane or something? where is he? :) +20:49 <@robbat2> ok, there's been some independant development on those +20:50 <@quantumsummers> do tell +20:50 <@robbat2> this channel is open, so i'll suffice to say that $bigcorp has offered us $6k for hardware +20:50 <@robbat2> the best fit for that right now, is looking like buying the VM machines with it, minus the disks, and having the foundation buy the disks +20:50 <@robbat2> very similar to the VM proposal link, just without the disks +20:51 <@robbat2> from Dell +20:51 -!- ABCD [~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:51 <@dabbott> that will work +20:51 <@robbat2> for disks, looking at buying Barracuda XT's ourselves via newegg +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> That works - is that a donation ? +20:51 <@robbat2> as they are sub-$200 on Newegg, and Dell wants >$500/disk +20:52 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: that is excellent +20:52 <@robbat2> not cash, purchase on corporate card shipped straight to OSL +20:52 <@quantumsummers> thanks to $bigcorp +20:52 <@robbat2> we can't go over the $6k, so we need to get as close to it as possible to maximize our use of it +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. Thanks to $bigcorp +20:52 <@quantumsummers> and thanks to $person_that_made_it_happen +20:53 <@robbat2> i'll need to work out the details for the sponsor page during the next week +20:53 <@robbat2> but that purchase will probably happen in the same timeframe +20:53 <@robbat2> for the disks, i'll make a new purchase request +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, so there will be a required for disks in the same timeframe ? +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> We can vote on that on the alias +20:54 <+armin76> robbat2: what about the thing the disks go to? i can't remember the name... +20:54 <@robbat2> yes +20:54 <@robbat2> Ganeti? +20:54 <@robbat2> drbd? +20:54 <@quantumsummers> a case? +20:54 <@quantumsummers> ;) +20:54 <+armin76> yeah, the case +20:55 <@robbat2> armin76, the r415's we're ordering are supposed to have the hotswap disk caddys in them +20:55 <@robbat2> so we just pull em and install the disks +20:55 <@quantumsummers> bing bang boom +20:55 <+armin76> okay +20:55 <@quantumsummers> alrighty +20:56 <@dabbott> what about a new Masterdistfiles Machine ? +20:56 <@robbat2> disk ideas are either 4x 3TB Barracuda XT, or (2x 3TB Barracuda, 2x 300GB 15K SAS) +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Do osl have some space waiting or do we have to swap out other hardware to make room ? +20:56 <@robbat2> either way, $1200-$2k on disks +20:56 <@robbat2> dabbott, that's why I was hoping darkside_ was here +20:57 <@quantumsummers> he was here earlier +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Put together the purchase request. We can discuss this further if darkside_ shows up +20:57 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:57 <+armin76> i'd say there's space, power is another thing +20:57 <@quantumsummers> Lets move on then +20:57 <+armin76> but i don't think that has been discussed +20:58 <@robbat2> armin76, it's discussed before, we're good +20:58 < darkside_> pong +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> that was timely ... +20:58 <@quantumsummers> hey darkside_ you appeared +20:59 * quantumsummers is in an electrical storm at the moment. FYI +20:59 <@robbat2> darkside_, hw proposals for new masterdistfiles box, any details? (since $bigcorp is doing the VM machines) +20:59 < darkside_> i am getting frustrated at the endless bikeshedding when we talk about hw in #-infra +21:00 < darkside_> to the point that i have just ignored it +21:01 <@robbat2> after the VM, it's just masterdistfiles+pecker that are left for replacing, how can we trim the bikeshedding? +21:01 <@dabbott> no bikeshedding here what do you need +21:01 <@rich0> Yup, from a foundation perspective we really just need a proposal and the word of infra that it makes sense. +21:02 < darkside_> we've spec'd out something and posted it to the infra alias, just need someone to order the hw. BDFL-style +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, you are doing the work - you know what is needed - write it up, then its a done deal. +21:02 <@robbat2> i apologize for not being around more to BFDL infra into not bikeshedding +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, post it to trustees@ with quotes if you have them +21:03 <@rich0> It isn't like we're trying to make it on the TOPS list or something - we need some servers that work... :) +21:04 < darkside_> maybe i'll just work with robbat2 via email or so to get it done +21:04 <@robbat2> yeah, maybe best +21:04 < darkside_> eliminate the by-standing audience +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, ok. +21:05 <@rich0> Yup - lists are good for generating ideas. Bad for generating consensus. +21:05 <@quantumsummers> main thrust, iirc, is that you were considering an acquisition in the range of $6K to $11K +21:05 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: is the above still correct? +21:06 < darkside_> will be less now that alec is handling the VM stuff +21:06 <@quantumsummers> Ok. +21:06 <@quantumsummers> seems reasonable. +21:07 < darkside_> ok, that is all then. action for me: work with robbat2 personally +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, When we have the shopping list, we can fund it. That will end the bikeshedding +21:07 <@dabbott> robbat2, while we are at it what about a replacement for pecker +21:07 <@quantumsummers> I propose a 'Motion: Authorize darkside_ and robbat2 (working with me as payee) to specify and order server(s) not to exceed $8000. +21:07 <@dabbott> seconded +21:07 <@quantumsummers> this would exclude disks +21:08 <@robbat2> abstain +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Its a bit early to put a value on it +21:08 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: *not to exceed* +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Its still a bit early +21:08 <@robbat2> we'll put together a ballpark and send it to the trustees alias +21:08 <@quantumsummers> I rescind the motion +21:09 <@quantumsummers> just needs to get done. +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't need a meeting to vote +21:09 <@rich0> robbat2, agree with your approach. I think it will get quick attention here. +21:09 <@dabbott> unseconded :) +21:09 <@rich0> Yup, we can approve on the alias. +21:09 <@quantumsummers> Very well, moving along :) +21:09 < darkside_> it makes things easier that alec stepped in +21:09 < darkside_> should go better now +21:09 <@quantumsummers> glad to hear it +21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> We only need 3 Aye votes too +21:10 <@quantumsummers> Next Up: KDE Akademy 2012 Support +21:10 <@quantumsummers> tampakrap and differentreality are here to answer questions. +21:10 < differentreality> yep :) +21:10 <+tampakrap> hello :) +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems the support is in two parts +21:11 <@quantumsummers> I have read the document and related email material. +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> a) endoresment +21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> b) funding +21:11 <@quantumsummers> right +21:11 <@dabbott> correct +21:11 <+tampakrap> for now, only the first part is needed to discuss +21:11 <+tampakrap> funding will be raised again if we get accepted +21:11 <@robbat2> if we endorse it, and there are no other funders, are we on the hook for it? +21:12 <@robbat2> have other akademy's been break-even or better? +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the foundation endorse this attepmpt to host KDE Akademy 2012 +21:12 <@quantumsummers> seconded +21:12 < differentreality> robbat2, Not at all, funding is a separate issue, we definitely do not expect just one sponsor to cover the event :) +21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, No. Much of the funding comes from KDE .e.v. +21:13 <@robbat2> ok, then one last question: how much event-planning experience do either tampakrap / differentreality have? +21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I would expect to fund something later is the approach is successful +21:14 <@rich0> I certainly have no objections to endorsing the proposal. No big issues with a modest sponsorship of some kind. Gentoo has always had a vibrant KDE community and I'd say we're one of the better KDE distros out there. +21:15 <@rich0> Oh, and does upstream consider this the right way to go about things? It certainly isn't our intent to meddle either. +21:15 <+tampakrap> robbat2: we both have participated and organized many small and big linux events, including fosscomm 2009 (biggest annual greek event) in my city, and fosscomm 2010 in differentreality's city +21:15 <+tampakrap> i can send you a list +21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, tampakrap expanded on that in an email. KDE .e.V provide support too +21:15 < differentreality> I have experience with many small / local events, mostly in my uni, as well as national event of FOSSCOMM 2010 which was held in Thessaloniki, Greece (this is where I'm from) and was a success (at least for greek foss community) with 500 people - I was main organizer/coordinator so I had to do a little bit of everything from arranging parallel presentations/workshops to dealing with the sponsorships and financial issues. I am also co- +21:15 < differentreality> founder of the linux users group in my university as well as one of the two people that created IEEE student branch in my uni, which I currently actively coordinate too. +21:15 <@robbat2> (i'm behind on my email due to electrical work at home yesterday) +21:16 <@robbat2> ok, that's reasonable for the scale of Akademy +21:16 <@robbat2> no further questions from me +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more Questions on endorsement ? +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Please vote +21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +21:16 <@robbat2> Aye +21:16 <@quantumsummers> Aye +21:17 <@dabbott> yes +21:17 <@rich0> aye +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ? +21:17 <@quantumsummers> Motion carried. +21:17 <+tampakrap> thank you guys, we really appreciate it +21:17 < differentreality> thanks :) +21:17 <@quantumsummers> Good luck on the application +21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, differentreality You have our unamouns endorement - good luck. +21:17 <@dabbott> good luck tampakrap differentreality +21:17 <@robbat2> tampakrap, minor comment, if you do win, please make sure there are vegetarian options for all meals +21:17 <@quantumsummers> +1 +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap do you need something from the Foundation to support your application ? +21:18 <@robbat2> (coming from the perspective of some local friends that are KDE devs and go to Akademy, and have had food troubles a few times) +21:18 <+tampakrap> robbat2: that is actually one of the requirements :) +21:18 < differentreality> robbat2, we already have it in mind - it surely will happen +21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap do you need something from the Foundation to support your application ? +21:18 -!- idl0r [~idl0r@gentoo/developer/idl0r] has joined #gentoo-trustees +21:19 <+tampakrap> NeddySeagoon: sure, is a certificate possible? +21:19 <+tampakrap> a letter or something +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, Lets discuss after the meeting +21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> A letter, yes +21:20 <+tampakrap> sure, i can discuss it with Matt afterwards +21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sorry - I'm userping your chair +21:20 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: no biggie, you can have it back anytime +21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, please continue +21:21 <@quantumsummers> *Membership Applications* +21:21 <@dabbott> Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) late addition +21:21 <@quantumsummers> Senior Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera is requesting membership to the foundation as a developer +21:21 <@dabbott> yes +21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +21:22 <@rich0> aye +21:22 <@quantumsummers> aye +21:22 <@robbat2> aye +21:22 <@quantumsummers> Congrats +21:22 <@quantumsummers> to Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (aka klondike) +21:23 <@quantumsummers> Lets do the cleanup +21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> 16th is good for me +21:23 <@quantumsummers> fine by me +21:23 <@dabbott> fine here also +21:23 <@quantumsummers> err wait a sec +21:23 <@quantumsummers> sorry +21:24 <@quantumsummers> I should be able to attend +21:24 <@robbat2> 16th is good for me, 23/30th are really bad +21:24 <@quantumsummers> however I have lots of family in town, as we are having a baby shower on Saturday +21:24 <@quantumsummers> I can make it though, at least for most +21:25 <@quantumsummers> Date of Next Meeting is Set - 16th Oct 2011 19:00 UTC +21:25 <@rich0> sounds good +21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> That would involve lots of drink here - go careful with your hangover +21:25 <@robbat2> +1 +21:25 <@robbat2> (on the meeting, not the hangover) +21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +21:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we shall see +21:26 <@quantumsummers> Any Other Business?? +21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> I have 1 item +21:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: you have the floor +21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> The approch from the individual at Oracle .. There seems to be some enthusiasim to follow it up but it will need developer buy in. Should I post the message to -core +21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> It we do get support from $bigcorp it will involve $work +21:29 <@rich0> I think posting to -core makes sense, but it seems like the council already has a fair bit of support from it. +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> but they are not going to do all the work +21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post to -core +21:30 <@rich0> Maybe ask on -core who is willing to make some kind of general commitment if the proposal is accepted? +21:30 <@rich0> Ie a few hours per week. +21:30 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I, for one, would be willing to do a good amount of this $work as it is a general part of my day anyway. +21:31 <@rich0> Yup, I was surprised by the amount of enthusiasm, so I think we'd be able to hold up our end of things. +21:31 <@quantumsummers> I think so. +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> yep. I don't want to end up leading just becase I'm point of contact just now +21:31 <@rich0> Still a bit of a long shot just the same. +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> its worth following up +21:31 <@rich0> Maybe solicit somebody to lead the effort then. +21:31 <@rich0> Having a leader goes a long way. +21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, volunteered +21:32 <@dabbott> a good leader I must say +21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post to -core and write to the guy with an update +21:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: CC or introduce me please. +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sure +21:33 <@quantumsummers> Lets see what the real details are +21:33 <@quantumsummers> I am happy to get this started and make sure its not a dud +21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> That was my item +21:33 <@quantumsummers> damn lightning is scaring my youngest cat, LOL +21:34 <@quantumsummers> strike nearby...anyway +21:34 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon +21:34 <@quantumsummers> anyone else for AOB? +21:34 <@robbat2> minor note i'll be offline for a chunk of the week +21:34 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: everything alright? +21:35 <@robbat2> furnace failed entirely, and the propety manager is having a guy replace it +21:35 <@quantumsummers> oh that is good fun' +21:35 <@robbat2> but to do so needs some actual construction work to comply w/ newer building codes +21:35 <@robbat2> which happens to be in the ceiling RIGHT above my desk +21:35 <@quantumsummers> even better. +21:35 <@quantumsummers> take a vacation! +21:35 <@quantumsummers> while you have a chance +21:35 <@robbat2> lol, so i'm packing up my desktop etc +21:36 <@quantumsummers> ok. well good luck sir +21:36 <@quantumsummers> Anyone/thing else? +21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write the email to Klondike etc. I'll work up a form of words with tampakrap too +21:37 <@quantumsummers> thanks thanks +21:37 <@dabbott> I can do the minutes and motions as it is all in the same place pretty much +21:37 <@quantumsummers> dabbott will you update the motions? +21:37 <@quantumsummers> ah, many thanks +21:37 <@quantumsummers> Thank you NeddySeagoon and dabbott. +21:37 <@quantumsummers> Thusly, it is Open Floor +21:38 <@quantumsummers> Anyone wishing to speak should do so now or hold you peace until the next meeting (or send official business via email). +21:39 * NeddySeagoon drops a pin +21:39 <@quantumsummers> :) going once, twice, three +21:39 <@quantumsummers> times +21:39 <@quantumsummers> a lady +21:39 * quantumsummers bangs the gavel. Meeting is closed. diff --git a/2011/20111016_trustee.log.txt b/2011/20111016_trustee.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..8619892 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20111016_trustee.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +20:04 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the October the 16th Gentoo Foundation Inc. trustees meeting. I'm logging. robbat2 sends apologies. +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, quantumsummers_ rich0 ? +20:05 <@dabbott> present +20:05 <@rich0> here +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum but a lot of stuff needs quantumsummers_ - lets give him a few minutes +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets start ... rich0 It looks like you are first, with the Foundation Activity Tracker Update +20:10 <@rich0> Sure +20:10 <@rich0> Not much change - I haven't been bugging everybody as much as I probably should, but if anybody could send me their notes on how they've prepared the various docs/etc I can try to put them into the activity descriptions. +20:10 <@rich0> The tracker itself (the main page) is otherwise close to done. I did propose roles for all the tasks. +20:11 <@rich0> In fact, I note that one task was due yesterday. +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds like a plan. Yep, I recall reviewing the proposed roles. +20:11 <@rich0> Did we send in the New Mexico annual report? +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a quantumsummers_ task ... +20:12 <@rich0> Ok, I'll follow-up with him or we can bring it up later if he shows. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Ir was going to be ready a week or so after the last meeting +20:12 <@rich0> Yup - and long-term if we document how the activities are done and where the official copies are stored then updating it will be more self-service. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:12 <@rich0> My goal is to have official repositories for copies of all filed documents/etc. +20:13 <@rich0> Unless anybody has comments I don't think there is much to discuss. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> You mean like CVS/git or something like that ? +20:13 <@rich0> That was my thinking. +20:13 <@rich0> Of course, some stuff should probably be secured (non-public). +20:13 <@rich0> Perhaps with redacted copies posted publicly - details. +20:14 <@rich0> But, my thinking is that there should be someplace official where we stick official stuff so that we know it won't burn in a fire/etc. +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> yes. +20:14 <@rich0> Need not be the same place for everything, but if you look at my template I have a spot to tell the world where it is. +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to discuss bugs? +20:14 <@rich0> It need not be a place the world has keys to. +20:14 <@rich0> moving on... +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe true +20:15 <@rich0> Any funding bugs ripe for discussion? +20:15 <@rich0> I think both are already approved? +20:15 <@dabbott> I don't see any new bugs +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> The infra HW stuff needs an infra rep. We maybe need to vote funds for the 1G Switch, unless thats coming out of the infra maintaince budget. +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 383573 +20:16 <@rich0> Should we be logging more bugs for all the mail chains? +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> If we are in danger of loosing track - yes +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> bug #383573 +20:17 <@dabbott> I can't view 383573 +20:18 <@rich0> Marked devs-only. +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its locked - you need to log in +20:18 <@rich0> Probably not quite the right security. +20:18 <@dabbott> ohh ok +20:18 <@dabbott> my main box died yesterday +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Its locked as it contains personal information +20:18 <@rich0> Yup. +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> The vote is to approve funding for the new 1G switch just being sent to OSL. The total value is not there yet, as shipping to OSL has not been added +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> ... maybe vote on it on the list, when dabbott can read it +20:21 <@rich0> I'm fine to vote now or whenever. +20:21 <@dabbott> I logged in looks fine +20:21 <@rich0> I'm sure we can just approve for up to $350 or whatever to cover shipping. +20:21 <@dabbott> we can vote now, we need a motion? +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that was close to a motion ... care to reword? +20:21 <@rich0> sure +20:22 <@dabbott> does infra have a budget for stuff like this +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Only for repairs - this is new stuff +20:22 <@rich0> motion to approve #383573 for a new switch - spend funds plus reasonable shipping up to $50 +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +20:22 <@rich0> aye +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +20:22 <@dabbott> aye +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried. Action quantumsummers_ to pay the bill +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Business Gentoo Logo Usage Policy really needs everyone. I suggest we skip it +20:25 <@rich0> Makes sense - might not hurt to discuss offline. Maybe even post to -nfp for comment? +20:25 <@dabbott> seconded +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, sure. +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Items 6 and 7 are null +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Which gets us to the Cleanup +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 20th Nov 2011 19:00 UTC +20:27 <@rich0> WORKSFORME +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> We'll be back on GMT then, so its an hour earlier for me +20:27 <@dabbott> fine here +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> 19:00 wintertime it is then +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Nothing from me +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, if you update the motions, I'll post the log +20:29 <@dabbott> will do +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +20:30 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2011/20111120_trustee_log.txt b/2011/20111120_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..2b3f207 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20111120_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,389 @@ +19:09 * NeddySeagoon banges the gavel to open the November 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call +19:10 <@dabbott> present +19:10 <@quantumsummers|c> present +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm looging +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, robbat2|na +19:10 <@rich0> present +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I seen to recall robbat2 said he may have some difficulty, so lets start +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Election Recording Date ... hmmm. +19:12 <@dabbott> I like the idea of the elections after the Annual Report +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose the close of our January meeting, if we want to hold elections at the customary time +19:12 <@quantumsummers|c> what is the date of the next election? In March somewhere? +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, its nomination in Feb, voting in Mar +19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, yeah end of Jan is not a bad idea, like we have done before +19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> I will note that my wife is due at the end of Jan, however +19:13 <@dabbott> so 5 months until the Annual Report +19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> We could move it closerto the AGM, so new trustees take their seats at the close of the AGM +19:13 <@dabbott> perfect +19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> I am OK with that as well +19:14 <@rich0> I'm pretty flexible - it doesn't matter that much in practice and we can always try it and see how it works. Does create the lame-duck issue if you announce well before effective. +19:14 <@rich0> But that works for POTUS. +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I have a mild preference of nonminations in July, votes in Aug so the old team present at the AGM +19:15 <@rich0> If there is a membership revolt and they kick out all the trustees we can at least loot the treasury on the way out that way. :) (uh, did somebody mention logging) +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> thoughts ?> +19:15 <@quantumsummers|c> seems fine to me +19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah, I did and am +19:15 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, ++ +19:15 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, ++ +19:15 <@quantumsummers|c> no looting on my watch unless I get 25% +19:16 <@quantumsummers|c> :D +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion - that the Trustee eclection be move to better coincide with the AGM. +19:17 <@quantumsummers|c> seconded +19:17 <@rich0> do we want to go ahead and specify the target, or wait till we get closer? +19:17 <@quantumsummers|c> lets set it +19:17 <@rich0> ie dates/etc. +19:17 <@rich0> So, elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date? +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> This also means the elections project will not be slacking at FOSDEM +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works for me +19:18 <@dabbott> sounds good +19:18 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, care to revise your motion? +19:19 <@rich0> assuming quantumsummers is fine with it? +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion that Trustee elsections be elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date to better alighn with the AGM +19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> yes +19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> seconded +19:19 <@rich0> aye +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +19:19 <@dabbott> aye +19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> +1 +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Montion carried +19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers your turn ... SFLC Update, Certified Public Accountant and 501(c)(3) registration status +19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> Ok, so +19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> sflc: our previous council has moved to the software conservancy or gnome foundation so I hear +19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> Karen, that is +19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Ah well, do we have a new name ? +19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> I need to setup a meeting to see who will be our contact going forward +19:22 <@robbat2|na> hi +19:22 <@quantumsummers|c> on my list for Monday +19:22 <@quantumsummers|c> hello robbat2|na +19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> hi robbat2|na +19:22 <@robbat2|na> ah, i messed up the start time +19:22 <@dabbott> hi robbat2|na +19:22 <@robbat2|na> aye on election dates +19:22 <@dabbott> Motion Trustee elections be elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date to better align with the AGM in AUG +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I guess that means the SFLC has made no progress on anything, its it could well be a step backwards. +19:23 <@quantumsummers|c> that is fairly accurate +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, not much you can add to that until after your meeting then +19:23 <@quantumsummers|c> that could also explain why I have received no response for a long time from karen +19:23 <@dabbott> good thing they are free +19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> that is true, dabbott +19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> anyway, we'll get that taken care of, I just need to make contact again. +19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> lets see +19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> financials +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, does it need to be you? You nave a lot on just now +19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: no it does not +19:25 <@quantumsummers|c> I would like to have more than one person with them +19:25 <@quantumsummers|c> I think that may make it easier +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, rich0 how about picking up the pieces with the SFLC ? +19:25 <@dabbott> I can send them an email +19:26 <@rich0> I don't mind getting involved. What is our end-goal with them anyway? +19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott: let me setup a meeting first then I can pass the torch +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it means you would become the point of contact with SFLC. Its more than just an email ? +19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> the main goal with them is assistance with license issues and other IP-related matters +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, that sounds like a plan +19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe a 3 way session +19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> yep +19:27 <@dabbott> ok sure, quantumsummers|a send me what you have I will contact them and let them know I will be a contact +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you and rich0 sort it out between you +19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, we'll get that going +19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> how about both rich0 and dabbott +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't have an issue with that +19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> really I think all of us should be in contact with them +19:27 <@rich0> Either is fine with me. +19:27 <@dabbott> same here +19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, I'll get the ball rolling on Monday' +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fine +19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> so, lets see next +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, Certified Public Accountant +19:28 <@rich0> It probably wouldn't hurt for us to think of some specific things we want to accomplish with them. Maybe sort out the logo? +19:28 <@rich0> (belay that - until we get to it) +19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds good +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, they already have a list of stuff ... +19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> CPA, this got a little more complicated than I had hoped, so they filed typical extension +19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> this is normal, and I do this every year actually +19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> so we are still working on getting everything together +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, do we have a CPA under contract ? +19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: yes +19:30 <@quantumsummers|c> this includes the 1023 application, which there is some interesting stuff going on at the IRS apparently which has delayed nearly all FLOSS applications as well as several other types of orgs +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, thats good to know, can you post the details to the alias please. We all need to know it +19:30 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: sure, I'll scan the paperwork next week, its all at my office +19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> meant to do that awhile ago, and clearly forgot, sorry +19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> in terms of other financial info +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks. quantumsummers|a I anticipate you won't have much time/bet much sleep in the new year +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> bet -> get +19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> we shall see, I don't get much now +19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> we have everyone reimbursed for GSOC travel and Donnie has submitted his invoice for foundation reimbursement +19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good. Nobody should be out of pocket for that +19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> I have one outstanding bug open for reimbursement for a recent hardware purchase +19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> we should receive the funds from google soon +19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> which is our main income for the year +19:33 <@quantumsummers|c> I forget the exact number but with travel, etc, its maybe $9K +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> On a related topic, how do we keep track of projects in progress ? rich0 maybe your tracker should be expanded +19:33 <@quantumsummers|c> I have been filing bugs for things that involve money for the most part +19:33 <@rich0> I see my tracker being mainly for recurring activities. +19:33 <@rich0> Wouldn't bugs be best for single instances of stuff in progress? +19:34 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: I mentioned this in -infra, but maybe we should have a foundation group for private info/bugs +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> I know that we have a mips project in progress, there was a similar request for alpha, which seemed to have stalled +19:34 <@quantumsummers|c> as in restrict access, not sure if it matters really +19:34 <@rich0> In fact, in an ideal world you could use the tracker to trigger creating a new bug. The tracker is the crontab, and the bug is the process. +19:34 <@rich0> quantumsummers|a, ++ +19:35 <@rich0> I see this as an issue too. Right now stuff just goes around on the alias for confidentiality, and we never really close the loop properly to make sure we don't drop things. +19:35 <@quantumsummers|c> anyway, I was told its fairly easy, robbat2|na would know more +19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that sould pretty good. Where do we keep track of funds committed by not yet spent ? +19:35 <@rich0> Bugzilla is perfect for tracking things that have a start and an end, and we can lock the bugs that are sensitive, and leave open the ones that are in there now. +19:35 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, there is a trustees group under the foundation product already +19:35 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: yeah, I agree it would be handy to have a place to manage things more centrally and for future proofing +19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: I mean a restrict access bit +19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> as in there is one already to restrict it to devs only, etc +19:36 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, ah. ok. done +19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> the product is there, yes. might add a few things to it beyond "proposal" +19:36 <@rich0> Yup, just like security bugs, but trustees only and the CC list. +19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks robbat2|na +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds good +19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, paypal stuff +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, sorry for the digression +19:37 <@rich0> I think the templates/organization is a nice to have, but the security is critical since that is what is keeping us out. We can't go posting bank account numbers even on dev-only bugs. +19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> I am removing some previous persons SSN and replacing it with our EIN +19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> that is some paperwork that I have to submit +19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> it will make it easier moving forward to hand over control to more than one person or another single person, etc +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> I saw the process - it looks horrendus +19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> nah, not too bad really +19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> just paperwork, I have all the info I think +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Go ahead then quantumsummers|a +19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> will do +19:39 <@quantumsummers|c> we were able to get the server to replace osprey and the HDDs that robbat2|na wanted +19:39 <@quantumsummers|c> I need to order 2 new caddies however, once I find where on the dell site +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good +19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> could not locate that on friday +19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> so, some cost there but surely <$100 +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe someone in -infra knows where +19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> we overpaid for the HDDs due to Thai floods +19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, well, we are committed now +19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> yes +19:41 <@quantumsummers|c> I have the part number, but could not find it, will probably just call +19:41 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, we should double-check the caddys for the goog boxes as well +19:41 <@robbat2|na> ping me after the meeting re that stuff +19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> as another aside, my work uses google mail etc. I get all the foundation stuff in google docs coming up when I'm logged in for work +19:42 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: alrighty +19:42 <@quantumsummers|c> the google docs stuff can be nice actually +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I don't mind but my work might +19:43 <@quantumsummers|c> ah true, you should switch your .forward +19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I don't have a .forward, I don't think +19:44 <@quantumsummers|c> how on earth then +19:44 <@quantumsummers|c> weird +19:44 <@dabbott> you can set up a gmail account just for gentoo stuff +19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, back to the agenda +19:44 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, you use a personal gmail account for work? +19:44 <@robbat2|na> or your google accounts are associated together +19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, No. The company uses gmail +19:45 <@quantumsummers|c> I do not see how that could happen +19:45 <@robbat2|na> weird +19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, lets not pursue it now, but if anyone has any ideas ... +19:46 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +19:46 <@quantumsummers|c> so, I think that is all from me. Unless someone can remind me of something I have forgotten to cover ... +19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, 501(c)(3) registration status ... I guess thats stalled meanwhile? +19:47 <@quantumsummers|c> not stalled, just work-in-progress +19:47 <@quantumsummers|c> still working on it +19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, SSL Options Update and New Masterdistfiles Machine +19:48 <@robbat2|na> SSL option: no change, and i'm actually really happy about that w/ more CA failures being reported. +19:48 <@robbat2|na> as a potential improvement for now +19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> should we drop this from the agenda then ? +19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> CA failures == SSL breaking u around us ? +19:49 <@robbat2|na> for now I think so. i've started on DNSSEC deployment for Gentoo, and we can send other trust metrics via that later +19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> u -> up +19:49 <@robbat2|na> yes +19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +19:50 <@robbat2|na> there's some RFCs on sending ssl cert fingerprints via DNS +19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> +1 to that +19:50 <@robbat2|na> which when combined with DNSSEC, and when the browsers pick them up, will negate a lot of the CA system +19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> with dnssec that could be a big improvement +19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> nice +19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> I just spent a ton of money on thawte certs +19:51 <@robbat2|na> any objections to dropping it for now, w/ a review in 3/4 months? +19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> nope +19:51 <@quantumsummers|c> I wish we didnt have to, but better to not have a false sense of sec I suppose +19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> nicely, if thawte goes down I sue for large sum of money +19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> insurance is nice I guess +19:52 <@robbat2|na> i don't think we'd have gotten their insurance clauses anyway w/ free certs +19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, I don't think so either +19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> you can insure against technolgy changing? +19:53 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: you can insure anything :D +19:53 <@robbat2|na> for the right price +19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, New Masterdistfiles Machine +19:53 <@quantumsummers|c> whether the company will survive your claim, that is another issue +19:54 <@quantumsummers|c> New Masterdistfiles Machine == osprey replacement? +19:54 <@robbat2|na> yes +19:54 <@robbat2|na> i haven't seen a response on the ticket if the arrived at osuosl yet +19:54 <@robbat2|na> but i'm not sure if it was set to to cc to infra correctly +19:54 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, its there +19:55 <@robbat2|na> ok, so just caddys + install left +19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds like progress anyway +19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> yes +19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> although you can install with the current 2 caddies +19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Foundation Activity Tracker Update +19:55 <@rich0> At this point we're mostly in execution mode. +19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> there are 2 500GB HDDs that are extra now also +19:56 <@rich0> Quick question - did we ever file in Missouri? +19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I think that went out, yes +19:56 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, and everyone thought it was a bad idea to add projects on progress ... +19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I signed the stuff awhile ago +19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I'll poke the cpa +19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I suspect the answer is yes +19:56 <@rich0> I think the tracker basically meets it core purpose as an activity reminder. I'd still like to see the per-task pages beefed up, but I don't see that as being essential. +19:57 <@rich0> Ok, if yes then I'll go ahead and create dates on those filings (for 2012). +19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets run with it a while +19:57 <@rich0> Did we file the 990? +19:57 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: we filed an extension +19:57 <@quantumsummers|c> so, we have another 6 months +19:57 <@rich0> Does that cover the new mexico AG as well? +19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> we file a different thing for NM +19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> that is filed +19:58 <@rich0> One of the NM requirements is a copy of the 990. +19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> apparently was filed on Nov 2 by Heather, although I have no idea why they waited +19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> not for the PRC stuff +19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Bugs +19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: link me to that +19:59 <@rich0> Ok, feel free to move on with the agenda and I'll send to quantumsummers +19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks +19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to discuss any bugs in detail ? +20:01 <@robbat2|na> i think they're all in execution or pending external input +20:01 <@quantumsummers|c> the one 296766, can be closed +20:01 <@quantumsummers|c> that is all done +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats what I like to hear, it makes the meeting faster +20:02 <@dabbott> Bug 363871 can that be closed +20:02 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Busines +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, do we need to write to them to say no thanks, or leave it until we reconsider ? +20:03 <@robbat2|na> i'll write some emails on it +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks robbat2|na +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> George Boyce | Use of Gentoo Artwork ... Alien Cow Abductors +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> That artwork in under a CCA licence and our logo is a small part of it, so I don't think we can object +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> is* +20:07 <@dabbott> his request was "I would like permission to use this particular artwork to support a non-profit project under development and described at http://dev.cowabductors.org/" +20:07 <@rich0> So, what do we want to offer them. +20:08 <@rich0> Should we state that we explicitly give him permission to use it as described? +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think he needs to ask ... the CCA applies. Its likewhoas wallpaper +20:09 <@rich0> So, should we tell him that he doesn't need to ask? +20:09 <@rich0> Seems like the current non-commercial policy is that he can use it as long as he clarifies that he has nothing to do with us. +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> He needs to follow whatever licence likewhoa released to artwork unde +20:09 <@rich0> Well, he also has to comply with the logo guidelines regardless of the artwork license. +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> what does everyone else think ? +20:10 <@rich0> The artwork license only covers copyright, not trademark. +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, good point +20:10 <@dabbott> its peaches artwork i believe +20:10 <@dabbott> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/graphics.xml +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops - he needs to get the attribution right :) +20:10 <@dabbott> licensed under CC-BY-SA/2.5 +20:11 <@rich0> From a trademark his use is fine if he is non-commercial. +20:11 <@rich0> If he is commercial we'd need to give him an exemption, since it isn't being used to denote that something contains 'gentoo inside" or whatever. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Its non-commercial - to expose children to robots +20:13 <@rich0> Seems to me that he needs to 1. Check with the artist on their license and comply, and 2. follow the non-commercial guidelines on the logo page and state that the logo is a trademark of gentoo and he isn't gentoo and so on. +20:13 <@rich0> Or, we could give him a pass on having to do #2. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to help him ... I'll put together an email for trustees to review. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Does everyone agree we want to support this ? +20:13 <@rich0> And did I mention that this whole mess is something that would be wonderful to get the SFLC to help out with? +20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, their help would be nice +20:14 <@rich0> I definitely want to remove any burdens. +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Its educational after all and thats a part of our stated objectives +20:14 <@dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon he was confused over the different licenses involved +20:14 <@rich0> Whatever form that has to take - we shouldn't be standing in their way. +20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> tbh, I am more than a little upset at the way we were sort of "dropped" if you will +20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> or forgotten more likely +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I told him it would bediscussed now +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> its not dropped +20:15 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, I see no reason that he cannot use that image without our logo in ther +20:15 <@quantumsummers|c> I meant sflc forgot us +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah ok. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> I will put together a reply on this and send it to the alias for comment +20:16 <@rich0> Sounds good. +20:16 <@dabbott> again thanks +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I will put a placeholder into George too +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> next item Gentoo Logo Usage Policy +20:17 <@rich0> Ugh +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> This could be a long one and we have been running 70 min already, should we hold this over ? +20:18 <@rich0> I think that makes sense, or maybe consider it as something to bring up in our SFLC re-engagement? +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds good but SFLC won't respond quickly +20:18 <@rich0> My suggestion is that we come up with some kind of holistic policy that covers copyright/trademark/etc so that we don't have these confusing double-treatments. +20:18 <@rich0> But we don't have to hash that out now. +20:19 <@rich0> Maybe we should consider reading the stuff in the agenda as homework in the meantime. +20:19 <@dabbott> lets brainstorm on the ml +20:19 <@rich0> Yes - sounds good. +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> I like that - maybe two logos like Debian. We have two already. The G and the unoffcial LArry +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Moving on ... +20:19 <@rich0> Maybe, or even if it is just one have one policy that covers both copyright and trademark. +20:19 <@rich0> Ok, onwards... +20:19 <@robbat2|na> i'll send in a link for the ubuntu equiv link as well +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications ... None +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Part 3 Cleanup ... +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 18th Dec 2011 19:00 UTC +20:20 <@quantumsummers|c> +1 +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> That works for me +20:20 <@dabbott> fine here +20:21 <@robbat2|na> should work fine for me, might be slightly late +20:21 <@rich0> +1 +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> fine. +20:21 <@robbat2|na> (that's a weekend of christmas parties here) +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> you party early robbat2|na. We start for hogmany aroudn Dec 25th +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbot ? +20:22 <@dabbott> none +20:22 <@robbat2|na> no AOB from me +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, you always have something +20:22 <@quantumsummers|c> nope, just chuck testa +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, heh +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, did Heather get our good standing fixed and find out what happened ? +20:23 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: she had not heard back on Friday when I went home, I'll contact again on Monday. +20:23 <@quantumsummers|c> I'm sure we are fine though, just slow processing +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> As long the she is onto it +20:23 <@rich0> Yup - if we talked to them we should be fine. +20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> we made the deadline, no worries +20:24 <@rich0> Wheels of government turn slowly. +20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> just freaked me out a bit +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats all from me, I think +20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks for pointing that out dabbott +20:24 <@rich0> Yeah, I understand the feeling. Glad you spotted it. +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities +20:24 <@rich0> Rather than a slashdot submitter. :) +20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> oh, I will be having a gentoo onesie made for my boy, so if anyone wants one, I will have another made (organic cotton) +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> I will write to George Boyce and post the log +20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> will have pics, etc for the front page :P +20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks +20:25 <@rich0> Oh boy... +20:25 <@dabbott> can we switch everything to missouri and drop nm +20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> not likely to drop NM +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Oh, you know its just the one then ? +20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, and a boy +20:25 <@dabbott> once missouri is good +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I do have something else. +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> The Sec ad ? +20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, lets run it unless someone here wants the job +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want to post the ad as is or does it need more work ? +20:26 <@quantumsummers|c> I have a python/django membership app that makes that stuff fairly simple +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I would like to appont an officer who is not a trustee +20:26 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: seems ok, I am just concerned since the person will have signatory power +20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> it would be nice to have some level of trust +20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> maybe meet them face to face, etc +20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> I am paranoid though +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I want to keep the bard low for enquires, we can ask for more info once we have some nibbles +20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> ok +20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds good +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, last time we ran that ad, we got exactly one response - you +20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, I know. Hard to believe that +20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> crazy, no one wants to volunteer for that stuff +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm quite keen to expand the management of the foundation beyond the trustees +20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> as am I +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we get it on the front page ? +20:29 <@dabbott> quantumsummers|a, what about max he even sent an resume +20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott can do that +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> I can put an announce and discuss on the forums +20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott: email him, great idea +20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> Max would be a good candidate +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> fine +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> put the ad up and email him a pointer +20:30 <@quantumsummers|c> cool +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> that was all I had, so onto Open Floor +20:31 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2011/20111218_trustee_log.txt b/2011/20111218_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b582751 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/20111218_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,222 @@ +<quantumsummers_> shall we begin? +<rich0> sure +<dabbott> sure +<quantumsummers_> we could have an abbreviated meeting, and take some of it to mail. what do you think/ +<quantumsummers_> ? +<dabbott> perfect +<quantumsummers_> I think at least some of this needs discussion +<quantumsummers_> like the logo policy bits +<dabbott> lets discuss on the ml, its just too much for a meeting, we can even form a committee of interested and knowledgeable parties +<quantumsummers_> ok. +<quantumsummers_> rich0: any objections? +<rich0> Well, let's at least talk a little about the logos before taking it offline. +<quantumsummers_> sure, sounds reasonable +<rich0> maybe just to get a sense for initial thoughts +<rich0> No need to try to drive any conclusions though. +<dabbott> my intital thought is some simple like the debian policy just one logo +<rich0> Most of the polices seemed to have some common themes: +<rich0> 1. No separate copyright/trademark license. They just had one policy that covered use across the board. +<dabbott> one logo for official, one open logo +<rich0> That was common as well. +<quantumsummers_> my 0.02 is that we need to protect our logo/name/mark while also allowing our users to be creative with it for non-commercial/community/personal purposes. In the case of a commercial use, we should require licensing with favorable terms like any other trademark. +<rich0> There seemed to be some variance on whether you could put the logo on for-sale items. Some allowed, and some didn't. +<quantumsummers_> there is some variance with for-sale items in floss orgs +<rich0> Many distros don't require payment to stick a logo on distribution media, if it is identical to official media. +<rich0> Then there is the "remix" concept in all the ubuntu-derived ones. +<quantumsummers_> right, I see no issue with that. I am more thinking of t-shirts, etc that people make money from +<dabbott> I am also confused as to the font used for official use +<rich0> Some distros were much more specific about font/etc than others. +<quantumsummers_> yes, ubuntu even has their own font +<rich0> I see that as a secondary goal. Maybe after license worry about fonts/etc, unless we get a volunteer willing to create a "branding guide" for us or something. +<quantumsummers_> one thing to note, the font is largely irrelevant to the use of the name +<rich0> Being that "Gentoo is about choice" and all that, my sense is that we should be relatively permissive about what you can call "Gentoo" - Gentoo isn't about a consistent experience like it is on some other distros. I can see the value in limiting commercial use since the revenue does benefit Gentoo. +<quantumsummers_> this is true, rich0 +<robbat2|na> hi +<quantumsummers_> as far as community-use, non-commercial use, and personal use, I see no issue using the mark +<robbat2|na> my bad, i'm late again +<dabbott> hi robbat2|na +<rich0> Maybe have specific wording to apply to copies of the official Gentoo install media so that people can tell what it is. However, a Chromebook can be "Gentoo" as much as a more traditional Gentoo install. +<quantumsummers_> for commercial purposes or something that is going to make money (produce a non-negligible profit) I think there must be some licensing rules. +<quantumsummers_> hi robbat2|na, glad ya made it +<rich0> Well, we don't need to spell those out so much - most of the distros say "call us" for that stuff. +<quantumsummers_> rich0: right +<quantumsummers_> to address the official versus non-official install media, we may just want to say just that on the disk +<rich0> Some distros basically said "here is what you can do for free, anything else - contact us" and maybe gave some examples of what might require a "contact" with a note that it wasn't exhaustive. +<quantumsummers_> rich0: seems fine, would give a lot of control per case +<quantumsummers_> we could make an "official gentoo media" seal to denote such a thing, as an option +<rich0> Any concerns with trying to have some kind of "creative commons" copyright license? Unless not having one causes problems I'd probably perfer to stop offering that license and just spell out what you can and can't do. +<rich0> quantumsummers_, I tend to agree on the media bit +<quantumsummers_> something should be easy to do too, I have considered as much with custom bootup framebuffer logo for myself too +<rich0> Any other thoughts around the license? I think we could try to capture some of these elements in an email to -nfp or -project and put it out for comment. Then based on guidance create a license. Maybe consider basing it on whatever is closest to our intent? Ubuntu in particular encourages copying. +<quantumsummers_> ok. so it sounds like we will allow free use for community/personal/non-commercial purposes. any commercial use should be dealt with case by case +<rich0> I think that's the gist of it. I think we're largely on the same page. +<dabbott> quantumsummers_, yes sounds good to me +<quantumsummers_> ok good. I am happy to draft a brief email to -nfp to get a discussion started +<robbat2|na> roughly on the same page, it's just agreeing on the last 10% that will take the other 90% of the time +<quantumsummers_> yep, always that way +<quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: what are your thoughts on this so far? +<dabbott> debians official logo adds the lamp to the logo to seperate it from the open logo looks like +<quantumsummers_> not real sure what we could add ... +<rich0> I think that will be something we need to figure out - if we want a dual logo. +<robbat2|na> i'm not so fussed about media, as long as it identifies as being gentoo-derived, it's uses where our imagery/artwork are used to identify as not gentoo, or to imply Gentoo's support of something +<robbat2|na> that bug me +<rich0> To be honest I've never really seen the debian official logo - it was news to me when I read that page. +<quantumsummers_> yeah, I am with you there robbat2|na +<rich0> I'd only worry about having a second logo if we plan to actually use it. +<quantumsummers_> as far as media goes, some "official foo" would suffice without altering the media +<quantumsummers_> or having another logo +<rich0> Tend to agree- I think "official wording" might be just as good as a logo. +<rich0> Just like how other distros say use "remix" and not "version" or "edition" or whatever. +<quantumsummers_> yes. +<rich0> I think the key is being clear on being "based on" Gentoo, or "powered by" or whatever. +<rich0> No two Gentoo users have quite the same install anyway. +<quantumsummers_> perhaps all we really need to do is provide some guidance for derivative distros, and leave the users to their own +<quantumsummers_> I think the only real concern is when its commerical +<quantumsummers_> in that case, its likely we won't even know what is happening or the gentoo elements are buried (i.e. the nasdaq system that has been commercialized, or chromebook respectively) +<robbat2|na> the nasdaq one differs in that it's not distributed +<robbat2|na> while the chromebook one is +<quantumsummers_> nasdaq, it is distributed, sold, etc +<quantumsummers_> just not widely +<robbat2|na> the chromebook case has a GPL followthrough, the source needs to be made available +<quantumsummers_> this is true +<robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, do you have a reference for "nasdaq, it is distributed, sold, etc" <-- their gentoo platform? +<quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: I will find it. Perhaps I misread, but I believe they were advertising the "platform" for other stock markets +<robbat2|na> they have a software package that's "NASDAQ" that runs on top of Linux +<robbat2|na> you can deploy it on any distro +<quantumsummers_> hmm, perhaps that is what I read. +<rich0> Unless they're violating GPL or whatever not really much of a concern - if they don't use the Gentoo logo they can basically do whatever they want as long as they make the source available to whoever they give it to. +<quantumsummers_> ^^ this is true +<rich0> I got the impression their Gentoo use was more back-end in nature. +<robbat2|na> they're not actually distributing any Gentoo-derived stuff, from what I gathered +<quantumsummers_> ok, seems ok then, I must have misinterpreted the language +<quantumsummers_> brb +<quantumsummers_> ok. +<rich0> Anything further to discuss here? I'd suggest taking the rest offline. +<quantumsummers_> anymore on this? shall we take this to the alias for discussion or straight to the -nfp ML? +<quantumsummers_> heh, yes +<rich0> That is - the rest of the license issue. +<quantumsummers_> fine by me +<rich0> I'd go straight to nfp - I think we hashed out much of it and we try to work in the open. Nothing sensitive here. +<quantumsummers_> alrighty, will draft that up quicly +<dabbott> good here +<quantumsummers_> ok then, moving along +<quantumsummers_> sflc update +<dabbott> Who is our "Counsel" http://www.softwarefreedom.org/about/team/ +<quantumsummers_> dabbott: it was Karen Sandler +<quantumsummers_> she left though +<quantumsummers_> further, she has not returned any email for months on end +<quantumsummers_> or phone calls +<robbat2|na> brb +<quantumsummers_> I think we need to email Daniel +<dabbott> he wanted you to be the contact so if you could please +<quantumsummers_> yes, ok +<dabbott> thanks strange they were so interested then nothing +<quantumsummers_> when I send you guys email, you get it ok right? its not marked as spam or whatever when I send it via googlemail is it? +<quantumsummers_> dabbott: I have my theory about that, but its not very nice or well founded most likely +<rich0> No issues - at least for the email that I get. :) +<rich0> I can't tell you much about the email that I don't get... +<dabbott> quantumsummers_, pretty sure I am getting them +<quantumsummers_> if you get one, you should get them all +<quantumsummers_> yeah, I think its fine, I have tested enough +<quantumsummers_> ok, its on my list. moving along +<quantumsummers_> cpa, 1023: no substantial change. +<_robbat2|irssi> back (just mobile around the house for a few) +<quantumsummers_> NM filings, rich0 and I are on this. I received bad instructions from Heather regarding the number of signatures required +<quantumsummers_> so, its being taken care of +<rich0> (slowly) :) +<rich0> (not for our part) +<dabbott> ok +<quantumsummers_> rich0: I think that if you have not received it by wednesday, then we should switch to plan B +<rich0> Sounds good - I'll send you an update Wed PM. +<quantumsummers_> I wonder, based on the info, if we even need them in the loop for this filing +<_robbat2|irssi> when does the 30 day extension run till? +<rich0> Obviously I'll turn it around immediately if I get it sooner. +<quantumsummers_> _robbat2|irssi: was never stated explicitly +<quantumsummers_> I suspect its the end of December +<quantumsummers_> I have a hard time believing its taken this long to get to you rich0 +<robbat2|na> you wrote the status update on nov 17th, and 30 days from that was yesterday +<quantumsummers_> it was supposedly sent out on the 6th +<rich0> US mail tends to take two days. +<rich0> Maybe an extra day for the holidays. +<quantumsummers_> _robbat2|irssi: I received notice of the extension at the end of Nov, the 29th I believe +<quantumsummers_> the 6th to now is a long time +<rich0> However, if they sent it regular first class there are no guarantees. If they misaddressed it then it could be anywhere. +<robbat2|na> no tracking number? +<rich0> I'd suggest pinging them and confirming the delivery address. +<quantumsummers_> rich0: ok, I will re-print and overnight tomorrow morning. If you get it and re-ship same day we can get it to NM before Friday no prob +<quantumsummers_> I don't really want to mess around with this right not, I'd rather just take care of it +<rich0> Seems likely. +<rich0> Works for me - I'll look out for it. +<rich0> Just to confirm: 521 E CHERRY LN +<rich0> SOUDERTON PA 18964-1235 +<quantumsummers_> rich0: that is the same address I sent to Chew +<rich0> Ok, and don't leave out the "E" - for some reason the people of old around here loved the word "Cherry" and didn't care to coordinate their numbering. +<rich0> The ZIP+4 should do the trick though. +<rich0> That is usually unique to within a few houses. +<quantumsummers_> ok, should be good on that.. yeah the E is important +<quantumsummers_> same issue here too, we have east and west numbers +<rich0> That and we have Cherry Streets, Roads, etc. +<quantumsummers_> on moving on +<quantumsummers_> lol +<rich0> ok +<quantumsummers_> not to mention trees +<quantumsummers_> ok, so the activity tracker looks good +<quantumsummers_> anything there? +<quantumsummers_> or not there? +<rich0> Nothing to add here - next item is taxes in April. +<quantumsummers_> ok, open bugs +<quantumsummers_> anything that needs immediate attention? +<quantumsummers_> the licensing bits are going to the ML +<quantumsummers_> the privacy policy, _robbat2|irssi anything there? +<robbat2|na> no followup from me, i've just been too busy +<quantumsummers_> ok then, no new business that I am aware of +<quantumsummers_> lets take care of the new membership application from Johannes Huber +<quantumsummers_> he is a dev +<dabbott> yes +<quantumsummers_> motion to approve +<rich0> aye +<rich0> seconded +<dabbott> aye +<quantumsummers_> vote +<robbat2|na> aye +<quantumsummers_> aye +<dabbott> aye +<rich0> aye +<quantumsummers_> approved +<quantumsummers_> I can email his +<quantumsummers_> *him +<quantumsummers_> nothing more there +<quantumsummers_> Date of Next Meeting - 15th Jan 2011 19:00 UTC +<quantumsummers_> will that work? +<dabbott> fine here +<robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, when is your wife's baby due again? +<quantumsummers_> I am on delivery watch, but should be fine ... she is due the 20th of Jan +<rich0> fine here +<quantumsummers_> coming up, 35.5 weeks today +<robbat2|na> the 15th is free on my calendar +<quantumsummers_> ok then, let it be so +<quantumsummers_> I will email folks, who can post logs, update motions page? +<dabbott> I will update the motion page and post the logs Mon +<quantumsummers_> forgot to ask who was logging at the beginning +<quantumsummers_> although I suspect we all were +<quantumsummers_> dabbott: thanks +<dabbott> np +<quantumsummers_> alright, anything else from the board? +<quantumsummers_> AOB? +<quantumsummers_> going once +<robbat2|na> none from me +<quantumsummers_> going twice +<rich0> none here +<quantumsummers_> dabbott? +<quantumsummers_> going thrice +<dabbott> none here +<quantumsummers_> sold, no AOB +<quantumsummers_> ok then +<quantumsummers_> OPEN FLOOR +<quantumsummers_> anyone who wishes to bring matters to the board, please speak nowe +* quantumsummers_ looks around +<quantumsummers_> anyone? +<rich0> Buhler? +* quantumsummers_ waits 15 more seconds +<quantumsummers_> 5,4,3,2,1 +<quantumsummers_> ok meeting adorned. Thank you, fellow board members, for attending. diff --git a/2011/gentoo-trustees.01-16.log b/2011/gentoo-trustees.01-16.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d7e4bc7 --- /dev/null +++ b/2011/gentoo-trustees.01-16.log @@ -0,0 +1,244 @@ +18:42 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the last trustee meeting before the 2011 elections +18:42 -!- quantumsummers|a is now known as quantumsummers +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call - I'm logging +18:42 <@quantumsummers> present +18:42 < tsunam> I'm ere +18:42 < tsunam> here even +18:42 <@robbat2> present +18:42 <@dabbott> here +18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 2 Old Business +18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election Status Report +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and robbat2 retire by rotation. Nominations will be help in Feb, exact dates to be determined by the elections project, voting will be in March +18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Today is the recording date +18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, you want to say a few words ? +18:45 < tsunam> sure thing I'll do that now +18:46 < tsunam> As most are aware a few months ago I had some issues with my health. This caused me to step away from my duties for a not insignificant time period +18:46 < tsunam> Due to this and luckily by design of how we setup everything the business was able to continue uninterupted. +18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> good planning that +18:47 < tsunam> However, it also made me consider things in my life including my work for the foundation. What I found is that although I love the work that I've done for the foundation and the members of the foundation I've had the pleasure to work with +18:48 < tsunam> that I believe it is time for me to step down during the next election cycle from my position as a trustee and a treasurer, and allow someone who has more motivation and capabilities then I can bring to the positions that people have entrusted to me +18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a vote of thanks to tsunam for his work over the last three years +18:49 <@quantumsummers> seconded +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +18:50 <@robbat2> aye +18:50 <@dabbott> aye +18:50 <@quantumsummers> aye. Many Thanks Joshua, many thanks +18:50 -!- willikins [~rbot@gentoo/bot/Willikins] has joined #gentoo-trustees +18:50 < tsunam> thank you all :) as its about me I need to abstain ;) +18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks for all the hard work tsunam. Make sure we don't owe you money before you leave. +18:51 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: will do +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Another motion ... +18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the board endorses the reelection of robbat2 and quantumsummers (if they want to stand) +18:52 <@dabbott> seconded +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +18:52 < tsunam> aye +18:52 <@dabbott> yes +18:52 <@quantumsummers> yes +18:52 <@robbat2> aye +18:53 <@quantumsummers> I do plan to stand again, for the record, and really appreciate the endorsement of the board +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried ... I'll ensure that gets into the notices. +18:53 <@robbat2> likewise, I intend to run again, many thanks for the endorsement +18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll poke elections too +18:54 <@dabbott> thanks to both ++ +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for elections ? +18:54 <@quantumsummers> I am prepared to make the voters list +18:54 <@quantumsummers> that is all from me +18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) +18:56 <@quantumsummers> ok, so just about everything going on right now is waiting on SFLC. Had a long conversation week before last, following up, doing some new stuff, etc,etc +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we shou;ld list the questions on the agenda maybe +18:56 <@dabbott> yep +18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Is the SFLC being responsive ? +18:56 <@quantumsummers> so, the list: cla, the one I proposed was too permissive in license (bsd-ish), recommends fsf version +18:57 <@quantumsummers> ah, NeddySeagoon, well it takes a long time to get things done with them +18:57 <@quantumsummers> they are responsive, just I have to keep poking them for things or they appear to forget +18:57 <@quantumsummers> or are just really busy +18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> We seem to have a fair bit with them ... do we need to set priorities to get things turned around in the order we need or is it just 'lawyers at work' ? +18:58 <@quantumsummers> there are priorities they are aware of +18:59 <@quantumsummers> anyway, back to the list: tax status: long bit here, summed up in the following. SFLC is appointing some junior attorney to handle working with me directly on this. I think this will make things go faster. +18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good +18:59 <@quantumsummers> further, it appears there has been a change in attitude at the IRS, they are slowing down processing of floss applications +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Care to estimage when our 503(c) application will go in ? +19:00 <@quantumsummers> this might make our petition to them greatly extended +19:00 <@quantumsummers> its all in sflc court now, their guy is getting with me to collect all my docs, then they have a fair bit of writing ahead of them +19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't influence the IRS bit +19:00 <@quantumsummers> not likely +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> It sounds positive, just slow +19:01 <@quantumsummers> if its denied, we will have to appeal in federal court (sflc would handle this of course) our attorney is experiencing this with another group now +19:01 <@quantumsummers> but yes, I am positive. its just likely going to take awhile +19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - good practice +19:02 < tsunam> heh +19:02 < tsunam> progress is progress...and one should never expect speed when it comes to the government..unless you owe them money :) +19:02 <@quantumsummers> now, this is mentioned below, but the libtxc_dxtn bit is also awaiting response +19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that must be the same all over the world :) +19:03 <@quantumsummers> so, also discussed the transition of tsunam away from the foundation and the record keeping, etc required +19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it sounds like you are on top of things with the SFLC ... is there any more you need to share with us in public ? +19:04 < tsunam> I've provided a list of some items previously when I brought it up, but added at least one thing to the list. +19:04 <@quantumsummers> I am keeping a repo with a journal and any/all files dealt with in the process +19:04 <@quantumsummers> yes, thanks tsunam for the list +19:04 <@quantumsummers> very helpful. ducks will line up +19:05 <@quantumsummers> is there anything else I need to report on? +19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. quantumsummers who else has access? I'm aware you are a single point of failure during the transition +19:06 <@quantumsummers> yes, this is a personal repo at the moment. I would push to git.o.g.o if others want access +19:06 <@quantumsummers> it would have to be a private repo, of course +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, long term, you cannot be both sec and treasurer +19:06 <@robbat2> there should be proper private repos on git.g.o sometime in the next few weeks +19:06 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: noted, thanks. +19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> its too much work for one +19:06 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I know, we need a new treas +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +19:07 <@quantumsummers> I think its small enough now that I can easily manage for now +19:07 < tsunam> we do have some people who offered to help that were financial types that quantumsummers and I were interacting with that would be perfect for the position of treasurer +19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> That has to be on the agenda for April, when we have the AGM +19:07 <@quantumsummers> yes, I have one particular candidate that has offered to do bookkeeping +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that works for me. +19:08 <@quantumsummers> I am waiting on sflc to get me the proper docs for this person to sign regarding non-disclosure, privacy, etc +19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> treasurer is an officer so it need not be a board member +19:09 <@quantumsummers> once we have the legal in place I would like to "test drive" this candidate (and others if needed) +19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is this individual interested in becoming a gentoo staffer ? +19:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: correct. It would be nice to have some one we know/trust as there will be signatures involved, etc +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> these individuals* +19:10 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I would think so, though I have not discussed this specifically +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> they need to do the staff quiz +19:10 <@quantumsummers> I guess it would be a requirement +19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Not specifically - but it shows a little comittment +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> any more SFLC stuff? +19:11 <@quantumsummers> nope. +19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs +19:11 <@quantumsummers> one unrelated bit, I have sent reimbursement checks to the GSOC mentors +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> fine +19:12 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, err, you missed me +19:12 <@robbat2> re UltraDNS followup +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe - sorry robbat2 UltraDNS Wrapup +19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems to all be still working ... +19:13 <@robbat2> ok, we successfully did the final BIND migration on Dec 27th +19:13 <@robbat2> there's one more technical backend bit waiting for the private git repos, but we're operational already +19:13 <@robbat2> in terms of paperwork +19:13 <@robbat2> we were concerned about being billed for the last month due to when we gave notice +19:14 <@robbat2> there wasn't any problems there at all. Our "official cancel date" for to make the Neustar paperwork easier on their end is 2011/01/31. +19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds good +19:14 <@robbat2> my contact at Neustar wishes us all the best in future +19:15 <@robbat2> that's everything :-) +19:16 * NeddySeagoon proposes a vote of thanks to gentoo-infra for the seamless migration of our DNS +19:16 <@quantumsummers> seconded +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +19:16 < tsunam> aye +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +19:16 <@quantumsummers> aye +19:16 <@dabbott> yes hire them +19:16 <@robbat2> abstain since it's about infra/me +19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried. +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to infra@ +19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766 +19:17 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o +19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> If this isn't already in the post, we may as well wait until the election results are known +19:18 < tsunam> I've not sent an update +19:18 <@quantumsummers> some of this this went in with our annual report +19:19 <@dabbott> we should just wait +19:19 <@quantumsummers> I can handle this once the election is done +19:19 <@quantumsummers> its a simple form +19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok - thanks +19:19 <@dabbott> also can we help with bug 351045 +19:19 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; NEW; robbat2@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o +19:19 <@quantumsummers> that is alsoi in the hands of sflc +19:20 <@dabbott> ok good enough +19:20 <@quantumsummers> I wrote them about this and mentioned the fedora example +19:20 <@robbat2> should we get a draft together for them first? +19:20 <@quantumsummers> I have a few issues with the fedora version +19:20 <@quantumsummers> actually, sure. I started working on a draft last week :) +19:20 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, can you list those issues in the bug? +19:20 <@quantumsummers> yes I cah +19:20 <@quantumsummers> can +19:21 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: it would be helpful to know what we do store for example in ldap, versus forums, etc +19:21 <@quantumsummers> we can switch out our stuff for the fedora stuff +19:22 <@robbat2> ok I can answer that on the bug for better tracking +19:22 <@quantumsummers> then I think it comes down to tightening the third party data sharing language +19:22 <@quantumsummers> ok, great +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more bugs ? +19:23 <@quantumsummers> there are a few +19:23 <@quantumsummers> bug 285549 +19:23 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o +19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to discuss them here +19:23 <@quantumsummers> also with SFLC +19:23 <@quantumsummers> oh, up to you chairman +19:24 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps I just have way too many things on hte sflc plate at the moment, there are like 15 items +19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> No point in going through bugs that have not changed +19:24 <@quantumsummers> heh, we can move on & use bugz for this stuff +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Adding patent-unsafe package (libtxc_dxtn) +19:25 <@quantumsummers> also with sflc now +19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +19:25 <@quantumsummers> err, as oif a wekk or so ago +19:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: is there any precedent for this in the portage tree? +19:26 <@quantumsummers> seems truetype-ish +19:26 <@robbat2> hmm +19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> leave it with sflc +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers Andreas H?ttel and Bernard Cafarelli +19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye for both +19:27 <@dabbott> yes to both +19:27 < tsunam> yes on both +19:27 <@quantumsummers> aye for both +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +19:28 <@robbat2> aye +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Community Members Mike Gilbert +19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye +19:28 <@robbat2> aye +19:29 <@quantumsummers> aye +19:29 <@dabbott> yes +19:29 < tsunam> abstain as i didn't review +19:29 < tsunam> what he has done etc +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried +19:29 <@quantumsummers> herd tester +19:29 < tsunam> ah +19:29 <@quantumsummers> for chromium I believe +19:29 <@dabbott> he also bug wrangles +19:29 < tsunam> *nods* +19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Advertising Requests - none +19:29 < tsunam> good to know +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 20th Feb 2011 19:00 UTC +19:30 <@quantumsummers> +1 +19:30 <@dabbott> good here +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +1 +19:30 <@robbat2> +1 +19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam ? +19:30 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: put the log here please foundation/en/minutes/2011 +19:31 < tsunam> that's fine +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok. +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... +19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have some ... +19:31 <@robbat2> none from me at this time +19:32 <@dabbott> I will do the motions and quantumsummers when you get the repo set up I can help keep track of the items for sflc if you want +19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, volunteered me to speak a FOSDEM on a joint Foundation/Council/Devrel platform, about the future organisation of gentoo +19:32 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ok thank +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I' mailed trustees@ for feedback and I had two replies. +19:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I gave some feedback in this channel, shall I email it for the record? +19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Do I have to speak as an individual, or can I speak on behalf of the Foundation +19:33 < tsunam> I'm fine with you speaking on behalf of the foundation +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, no need, I have the log +19:34 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: on behalf of the foundation would be nice, I think we should all participate in the draft though +19:34 <@robbat2> i trust Neddy, i'd like to read what he says, but I don't need to see a draft +19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I will try to get the draft slides out before the end of next weekend +19:35 <@quantumsummers> sounds excellent +19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll try to record it - voice only. I've got a new toy to take to fosdem :) +19:35 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: sounds interesting, I am not knowledgable enough on the subject to offer much feedback +19:35 <@quantumsummers> nice :) +19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, we can clear up the odds and ends on the alias. +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if you update the members list with the new members today, I'll check it over. +19:37 <@quantumsummers> I can email that out asap +19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I have to update the +V list here too +19:38 <@quantumsummers> gotcha +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more 'other business' ? +19:38 <@quantumsummers> well ... +19:38 <@quantumsummers> j/k none from me +19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +19:38 * NeddySeagoon will will post the log +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page? +19:39 * dabbott motions +19:39 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> It looks like I volunteered for the emails already +19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 Open Floor +19:40 <@dabbott> np looks like 4 i will recheck the log +19:41 * NeddySeagoon bands the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2012/20120115_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120115_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..fd4d23c --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120115_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,298 @@ +<quantumsummers_> 1) Roll Call. +Jan 15 14:01:45 <rich0> here +Jan 15 14:01:47 <dabbott> present +Jan 15 14:01:51 <NeddySeagoon> My body is here, my mind is still in UTC-6 +Jan 15 14:02:17 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: that is where I am, well -7 I guess +Jan 15 14:02:20 <NeddySeagoon> I guess I'm logging too +Jan 15 14:02:20 <quantumsummers_> robbat2: ping +Jan 15 14:02:24 <quantumsummers_> cool +Jan 15 14:02:55 <quantumsummers_> we have quorum +Jan 15 14:03:03 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: thanks for logging +Jan 15 14:03:09 <NeddySeagoon> np +Jan 15 14:03:15 <quantumsummers_> 3) Old Business +Jan 15 14:03:29 <quantumsummers_> Gentoo Logo Usage Policy +Jan 15 14:03:42 <quantumsummers_> At the last meeting I posted to the -nfp list +Jan 15 14:04:06 <NeddySeagoon> I didn't see any responses +Jan 15 14:04:22 <quantumsummers_> there have been 2 reponses +Jan 15 14:04:43 <quantumsummers_> orig msg http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/msg_2a11b1233168b157b0af53674e743ed6.xml +Jan 15 14:05:24 <quantumsummers_> Dale and rich0 were the responding parties +Jan 15 14:05:27 <rich0> Ok, I don't think that is really anything actionable. +Jan 15 14:05:31 <quantumsummers_> no\ +Jan 15 14:06:02 <quantumsummers_> So, in a sense, we have no additional input from our community +Jan 15 14:06:20 <NeddySeagoon> yes +Jan 15 14:06:34 <quantumsummers_> I think the way forward here is to post some policy document to everyone for review +Jan 15 14:06:38 <rich0> or a big input of "whatever..." +Jan 15 14:06:44 <quantumsummers_> -core -dev +Jan 15 14:07:01 <rich0> Agreed - I think we've talked through many of the issues and have a sense for where we want to be. +Jan 15 14:07:04 <quantumsummers_> surely there will be more than that, given our esteemed heritage of bike shedding +Jan 15 14:07:17 <quantumsummers_> by our I mean all devs, of course +Jan 15 14:07:19 <quantumsummers_> :) +Jan 15 14:07:30 <NeddySeagoon> -foundation-annouce and -nfp +Jan 15 14:07:33 <quantumsummers_> rich0: glad we agree +Jan 15 14:07:38 <rich0> Do it at the same time as a all-in-/usr thread and that will take the heat off. +Jan 15 14:07:51 <quantumsummers_> rich0: heh, yes +Jan 15 14:08:08 <NeddySeagoon> heh +Jan 15 14:08:28 <quantumsummers_> Now, who wants take the jop of writing the draft? +Jan 15 14:08:35 <quantumsummers_> any volunteers? +Jan 15 14:08:47 <quantumsummers_> who wants to lead the effort? +Jan 15 14:09:06 <rich0> My activity tracker is wrapping up, so I could step up on something else. +Jan 15 14:09:12 <NeddySeagoon> my time is going to be limited until at least June/July +Jan 15 14:09:19 <dabbott> what would you change from the current policy +Jan 15 14:09:38 <quantumsummers_> rich0: please take the task. +Jan 15 14:09:52 <quantumsummers_> rich0: write your draft, then pass it around to the board +Jan 15 14:10:06 <rich0> Ok, I'll take it. I'd probably try to base the new policy on one of the other distros and incorporate both copyright and trademark into a cohesive policy. +Jan 15 14:10:10 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: I think its really only to refine the commercial usage, per previous discussions +Jan 15 14:10:24 <rich0> It would be fairly debian-like, except that we're not allowing commercial use as they do. +Jan 15 14:10:33 <rich0> (For pressing CDs, etc.) +Jan 15 14:10:40 <quantumsummers_> rich0: that sounds fine, we just want to remain as backwards compatible with the current policy where possible +Jan 15 14:11:09 <rich0> Yup - I think our current policy is already fairly close. The goal will be to avoid disrupting anybody already making use of the current policy. +Jan 15 14:11:16 <rich0> I'll send out something in a week or two. +Jan 15 14:11:21 * rich0 crosses fingers... +Jan 15 14:11:27 <dabbott> thanks rich0 +Jan 15 14:11:32 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: are you fine with discussing the actual drafts via email? +Jan 15 14:11:42 <quantumsummers_> I am sure rich0 would welcome feedback from trustees +Jan 15 14:11:43 <dabbott> sure +Jan 15 14:11:45 <NeddySeagoon> the new policy should not be retrospective +Jan 15 14:12:02 <quantumsummers_> right, current agreements must be honored +Jan 15 14:12:44 <rich0> Sure, although we might not put that in writing. We'll have to figure that out. +Jan 15 14:13:11 <quantumsummers_> rich0: lets worry about that after we have a good draft for the current policy +Jan 15 14:13:12 <quantumsummers_> anything else on this topic? +Jan 15 14:14:22 <NeddySeagoon> not from me +Jan 15 14:14:32 <quantumsummers_> ok. looking forward to reading the draft +Jan 15 14:14:47 <quantumsummers_> SFLC +Jan 15 14:15:51 <quantumsummers_> that one, I emailed Ravicher after the last meeting and have received no response. I'll keep trying him, perhaps the holidays caused delay +Jan 15 14:16:58 <quantumsummers_> Financial and Legal status: I communicated with our agent in NM and passed along the info regarding our receipt, etc +Jan 15 14:17:25 <NeddySeagoon> our 30 days must be up now ? +Jan 15 14:17:28 <quantumsummers_> Heather stated she would contact me again when she received some communication from NMPRC +Jan 15 14:17:36 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we made the deadline, no problem +Jan 15 14:17:45 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Jan 15 14:18:01 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we have certified mail receipt that proves it +Jan 15 14:18:10 <NeddySeagoon> even better +Jan 15 14:18:14 <quantumsummers_> now its in processing, I assume. I have not looked at the site +Jan 15 14:18:29 <dabbott> still the same as today +Jan 15 14:18:41 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: thanks for checking. +Jan 15 14:19:04 <quantumsummers_> I'll follow up with Heather on Monday, to check in +Jan 15 14:19:51 <quantumsummers_> I need a couple mins to assist my wife with something, sorry she just returned from the grocer +Jan 15 14:19:53 <quantumsummers_> brb +Jan 15 14:21:00 <rich0> FYI - Mon is a holiday in many places in the US +Jan 15 14:21:12 <rich0> Martin Luther King, Jr, day +Jan 15 14:21:15 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon, did you want the log in info for cafepress? +Jan 15 14:21:31 <dabbott> I added Larry shirts http://www.cafepress.com/officialgentoo/1552836 +Jan 15 14:21:39 <quantumsummers_> sorry +Jan 15 14:21:46 <quantumsummers_> ah yeah, Tuesday then +Jan 15 14:22:11 <quantumsummers_> ok to continue? +Jan 15 14:22:18 <dabbott> yes +Jan 15 14:23:24 <quantumsummers_> ok, for the CPA bit, they should be ready to file the previous years material soon, based on conversations last week. +Jan 15 14:23:39 <quantumsummers_> this will get us caught up fully +Jan 15 14:24:13 <quantumsummers_> I have a meeting at the firm next week to discuss this and other unrelated matters +Jan 15 14:25:01 <quantumsummers_> once that is all submitted, I believe it will be time to complete and submit the 1023. +Jan 15 14:25:16 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, what happening with our new official, to take on some of your work ? +Jan 15 14:25:29 <quantumsummers_> it seems that the irs is now sending put letters to some groups that have been waiting 2 years now +Jan 15 14:25:56 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I have not had enough time to figure that out lately +Jan 15 14:26:11 <NeddySeagoon> heh - the IRS were not waiting for me at Atlanta, so I suppose that was a good sign :) +Jan 15 14:26:29 <rich0> When you transition work to the new help, consider asking them to document the processes in a format suitable for the activity tracker/etc. +Jan 15 14:26:32 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: heheh, that would be a shock +Jan 15 14:26:41 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, It would be good to get him on board before you are up to your neck in nappies :) +Jan 15 14:26:43 <rich0> No harm in documenting what we do to make it easier to take on help. +Jan 15 14:26:43 <quantumsummers_> rich0: yessir +Jan 15 14:27:17 <NeddySeagoon> nappies -> diapers +Jan 15 14:27:29 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I guessed that +Jan 15 14:27:32 <dabbott> quantumsummers_, fell free to send me anything you want to guide xml +Jan 15 14:27:42 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: thanks man +Jan 15 14:27:44 <dabbott> s/fell/feel +Jan 15 14:27:46 <quantumsummers_> I will take you up on that +Jan 15 14:28:04 <rich0> Yes, that activity tracker should be viewed as communal at this point - feel free to edit away! +Jan 15 14:28:28 <quantumsummers_> if anything I sense I will be up late at night with the baby wrapped into the thing we have that does that, sitting at the computer working on things +Jan 15 14:28:33 <quantumsummers_> speaking of the tracker, rich0, care to say anything more about it? +Jan 15 14:28:37 <rich0> Document tasks how you will (the election is just a guide), and we can link from it. +Jan 15 14:28:47 <quantumsummers_> thanks +Jan 15 14:29:02 <rich0> Nothing really to add except that I'm trying to keep it up to date and let me know if you see otherwise. I did sort it by next due date. +Jan 15 14:29:16 <quantumsummers_> looks good +Jan 15 14:29:23 <rich0> Taxes due in April (with extension), and we need to do election planning in May. +Jan 15 14:29:59 <quantumsummers_> when do we want to set the next recording date? +Jan 15 14:30:04 <quantumsummers_> for the election? +Jan 15 14:30:09 <quantumsummers_> same time? +Jan 15 14:30:11 <rich0> We had talked about June last time. +Jan 15 14:30:15 <NeddySeagoon> the meeting before nominations open +Jan 15 14:30:16 <quantumsummers_> yeah +Jan 15 14:30:27 <dabbott> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/motions/index.xml +Jan 15 14:30:36 <rich0> And then an Aug election, with the new board sitting at the conclusion of the annual meeting, or something like that? +Jan 15 14:30:38 <dabbott> Trustee elections in Aug, nominations in July, June is recording date, AGM in AUG +Jan 15 14:30:39 <quantumsummers_> seems that we wanted to make sure the election provided a nice transition into the annual meeting +Jan 15 14:30:46 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep +Jan 15 14:30:51 <quantumsummers_> rich0: yes +Jan 15 14:31:06 <quantumsummers_> ok excellent then +Jan 15 14:31:29 <quantumsummers_> shall we move to Open Bugs or is there anything else from anyone on the Old Business? +Jan 15 14:32:36 <quantumsummers_> ok, Open Bugs +Jan 15 14:32:45 <rich0> On the topic of bugs and old business - did we ever set up a trustee-only group? +Jan 15 14:32:47 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: please close bug 304853 +Jan 15 14:32:47 <rich0> sorry +Jan 15 14:32:50 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; IN_P; mihel:trustees +Jan 15 14:32:57 <quantumsummers_> sorry rich0, just saw that +Jan 15 14:33:05 <quantumsummers_> yes, we did in bugz +Jan 15 14:33:33 <quantumsummers_> that was taken care of awhile back, I forgot to mention it +Jan 15 14:34:02 <rich0> ok, maybe after the meeting can somebody send instructions clarifying how to use it? +Jan 15 14:34:05 <rich0> we can move on... +Jan 15 14:34:53 <quantumsummers_> rich0: sure +Jan 15 14:35:17 <quantumsummers_> well, I can tell how to use it quickly +Jan 15 14:36:02 <quantumsummers_> In the case that a bug is assigned to the Gentoo Foundation product, there will be a checkbox in the section titled "Only users in all of the selected groups can view this bug:" +Jan 15 14:36:20 <quantumsummers_> which is to the right of the Add and attachment box +Jan 15 14:36:42 <quantumsummers_> there is a check box on all bugs that says Gentoo Developers +Jan 15 14:36:42 <rich0> Does that only apply to new bugs? +Jan 15 14:36:59 <quantumsummers_> you can retro-apply it, as long as Gentoo Foundation is the product +Jan 15 14:37:02 <rich0> Looking at bug 389989 I only see the Gentoo Devs one. +Jan 15 14:37:28 <quantumsummers_> I see Gentoo Board of Trustees +Jan 15 14:37:41 <quantumsummers_> perhaps you are not in the trustees group or something +Jan 15 14:37:47 <quantumsummers_> I'll ask infra +Jan 15 14:37:47 <rich0> perhaps +Jan 15 14:37:55 <quantumsummers_> I see it on that bug +Jan 15 14:38:10 <rich0> Ok, we can follow-up with them. +Jan 15 14:38:23 <quantumsummers_> or poke robbat2 to check +Jan 15 14:38:34 <dabbott> I only see Gentoo Developers also +Jan 15 14:38:39 <quantumsummers_> weird +Jan 15 14:38:52 <quantumsummers_> I have a test, just a sec +Jan 15 14:39:11 <quantumsummers_> now try to reload that bug +Jan 15 14:39:29 <dabbott> You are not authorized to access bug #389989. +Jan 15 14:39:33 <quantumsummers_> my bad, please re-try +Jan 15 14:39:38 <quantumsummers_> ok +Jan 15 14:39:44 <rich0> Not authorized +Jan 15 14:39:48 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: / +Jan 15 14:39:50 <quantumsummers_> ? +Jan 15 14:39:53 <rich0> I don't even see the foundation in the product list... +Jan 15 14:39:54 <quantumsummers_> are you guys logged in? +Jan 15 14:39:58 <rich0> Yup +Jan 15 14:39:59 <rich0> :) +Jan 15 14:40:02 <dabbott> yep +Jan 15 14:40:12 <quantumsummers_> weird +Jan 15 14:40:22 <_robbat2|irssi> ah crap, i realize I missed most of this +Jan 15 14:40:22 <quantumsummers_> well, I suspect you two are not in the group +Jan 15 14:40:31 <_robbat2|irssi> too much going on +Jan 15 14:40:31 <quantumsummers_> hi _robbat2|irssi, no worries +Jan 15 14:40:34 <rich0> Hmm, another item to add to the elections to-do list - after election ping infra to update groups, aliases, etc. +Jan 15 14:40:40 <_robbat2|irssi> i need to run and catch a flight +Jan 15 14:40:48 <_robbat2|irssi> anything critical for me? +Jan 15 14:40:54 <rich0> Not critical +Jan 15 14:40:55 <quantumsummers_> _robbat2|irssi: ok, we can catch up later +Jan 15 14:40:58 <_robbat2|irssi> other than that election stuff +Jan 15 14:40:58 <rich0> Whenever you can get to it. +Jan 15 14:41:03 <dabbott> hi _robbat2|irssi +Jan 15 14:41:13 <dabbott> have a safe flight +Jan 15 14:41:21 <_robbat2|irssi> bye, thanks. +Jan 15 14:41:26 <quantumsummers_> cya +Jan 15 14:42:11 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I don't even see bug 389989 :( +Jan 15 14:42:26 <quantumsummers_> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389989 +Jan 15 14:42:33 <quantumsummers_> I am the only one that can see it? +Jan 15 14:42:44 <rich0> Well, it is secure, alright! +Jan 15 14:42:48 <quantumsummers_> crazy, ok well I'll get infra to do that +Jan 15 14:42:48 <dabbott> then fix it yourself :) +Jan 15 14:43:19 <quantumsummers_> rich0: the reporter, trustees, and the peeps CC'd can see it +Jan 15 14:44:09 <rich0> Yup, well, minus the trustees, apparently. +Jan 15 14:44:10 <quantumsummers_> do you want me to add you all to the CC list? +Jan 15 14:44:27 <dabbott> no +Jan 15 14:44:29 <rich0> Not a big deal either way if we can fix it in a few days. +Jan 15 14:44:32 <dabbott> we can wait +Jan 15 14:44:41 <quantumsummers_> heh, I just added roch +Jan 15 14:44:42 <rich0> It will be easier to test if we aren't added. +Jan 15 14:44:43 <quantumsummers_> *Rich +Jan 15 14:44:47 <quantumsummers_> sorry :D +Jan 15 14:44:57 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, qorks ok in firefox +Jan 15 14:45:03 <NeddySeagoon> works* +Jan 15 14:45:11 <quantumsummers_> ok NeddySeagoon so you can see the bug?> +Jan 15 14:45:45 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, yes and the check box Gentoo Board of Trustees +Jan 15 14:45:48 <quantumsummers_> weird that the bug does not show up in the list created by that query +Jan 15 14:45:55 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: ah, great +Jan 15 14:46:33 <quantumsummers_> I think the other bugs in that list are stationary +Jan 15 14:47:11 <NeddySeagoon> what about #296766 +Jan 15 14:47:31 <NeddySeagoon> bug #296766 +Jan 15 14:47:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees +Jan 15 14:47:48 <quantumsummers_> that is waiting on the NMPRC to process the filing +Jan 15 14:47:54 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jan 15 14:48:04 <quantumsummers_> as far as I know, that is the case +Jan 15 14:48:56 <quantumsummers_> I don't know why they didn't update it last year +Jan 15 14:49:06 <NeddySeagoon> its the same filing as our other stuff that got delayed ? +Jan 15 14:49:16 <quantumsummers_> maybe its every doc with NM has to have 2 signatures +Jan 15 14:49:24 <rich0> I don't know why it takes them two months to process a form... +Jan 15 14:49:48 <quantumsummers_> Heather told me only one was needed for that doc and for the annual form, she was clearly wrong about the annual form +Jan 15 14:49:49 <NeddySeagoon> its a burocarcy(sp) +Jan 15 14:50:15 <quantumsummers_> the state of missouri is not so slow +Jan 15 14:50:19 <quantumsummers_> anyway +Jan 15 14:50:21 <rich0> Well, good to know we'll be qualified to work in the NM state government by the time we're done with this... +Jan 15 14:50:28 <quantumsummers_> lol +Jan 15 14:50:29 <quantumsummers_> yeah +Jan 15 14:50:32 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Jan 15 14:50:41 <quantumsummers_> alright any other bugs to visit? +Jan 15 14:51:19 <quantumsummers_> one thing to note, we have already approved this awhile back, but I will be purchasing the final set of HDDs for the servers google bought us fairly soon +Jan 15 14:51:36 <NeddySeagoon> sounds good +Jan 15 14:51:53 <rich0> What is up with the MIPS servers? +Jan 15 14:52:00 <rich0> bug 373241 +Jan 15 14:52:03 <willikins> rich0: https://bugs.gentoo.org/373241 "Fund the building of 3 MIPS build systems"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; mattst88:trustees +Jan 15 14:52:14 <rich0> Is that going anywhere, or should it be closed? +Jan 15 14:52:20 <quantumsummers_> I think its on-going +Jan 15 14:52:28 <quantumsummers_> the servers are up I think +Jan 15 14:52:42 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, I understand that they are working +Jan 15 14:53:01 <rich0> Ok, wasn't sure if this was done from a funding perspective or if more was to come. Didn't see anything actionable. +Jan 15 14:53:03 <quantumsummers_> man, that scicortex system mentioned in that bug would be awesome +Jan 15 14:53:22 <quantumsummers_> they ran gentoo on all those +Jan 15 14:53:41 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, so far as I am aware, we have only reimbursed RAM so far +Jan 15 14:54:02 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I reimbursed the sata controller +Jan 15 14:54:05 <quantumsummers_> via paypal +Jan 15 14:54:09 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jan 15 14:54:18 <rich0> probably should note that on the bug +Jan 15 14:54:51 <NeddySeagoon> should probably poke matt88 to see if he needs the further approved funding +Jan 15 14:55:12 <quantumsummers_> rich0: will note that nw +Jan 15 14:57:05 <quantumsummers_> dabbott, rich0 you should be in the trustees bugz group now\ +Jan 15 14:57:20 <quantumsummers_> just received conf from idl0r +Jan 15 14:57:32 <dabbott> yep thanks +Jan 15 14:58:01 <quantumsummers_> great +Jan 15 14:58:26 <quantumsummers_> ok, anything else in the bugs? +Jan 15 14:59:31 <rich0> Nothing here - I'll try to address one of the logo-related ones in my policy update. +Jan 15 14:59:39 <quantumsummers_> rich0: sounds good +Jan 15 14:59:54 <NeddySeagoon> nothing from me +Jan 15 14:59:57 <quantumsummers_> we have no new business and no memberships to consider +Jan 15 15:00:15 <quantumsummers_> sorry, dabbott anything else? +Jan 15 15:00:22 <dabbott> no +Jan 15 15:00:30 <quantumsummers_> ok. :) +Jan 15 15:00:37 <quantumsummers_> Date of Next Meeting - 19th Feb 2012 19:00 UTC that work +Jan 15 15:00:38 <quantumsummers_> ? +Jan 15 15:00:58 <dabbott> fine here +Jan 15 15:00:59 <NeddySeagoon> maybe - I may be in Houston +Jan 15 15:01:17 <NeddySeagoon> or totally wasted again having just got back +Jan 15 15:01:37 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: would you like to have the meeting moved back or forward a week? +Jan 15 15:02:06 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, my travel is not yet firm ... lets leave it as is until I know more +Jan 15 15:02:17 <quantumsummers_> I should be fine chairing again if you need a break +Jan 15 15:02:19 <quantumsummers_> ok +Jan 15 15:02:28 <quantumsummers_> so DONM is set +Jan 15 15:02:35 <quantumsummers_> 19th Feb 2012 19:00 UTC +Jan 15 15:02:44 <NeddySeagoon> Like I said in my email - this is going on for about 6 months +Jan 15 15:03:05 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: well we should try to get together for a drink! +Jan 15 15:03:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, sounds good +Jan 15 15:03:36 <quantumsummers_> if you can fly thru somewhere that is within a couple or 3 hours , I would drive +Jan 15 15:03:55 <quantumsummers_> or just come visit for a day D +Jan 15 15:04:04 <NeddySeagoon> For Houston, it will be Heathrow to Houston +Jan 15 15:04:11 <quantumsummers_> nice +Jan 15 15:04:21 <quantumsummers_> well that is better than the alternative +Jan 15 15:04:25 <quantumsummers_> any other business from the board +Jan 15 15:04:31 <rich0> None here +Jan 15 15:04:32 <NeddySeagoon> none from me +Jan 15 15:04:44 <quantumsummers_> none from me +Jan 15 15:04:47 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: ? +Jan 15 15:04:50 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon, I will do the log the new location for future reference is http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes/2012/20120115_trustee_log.txt +Jan 15 15:04:55 <dabbott> none here +Jan 15 15:05:01 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: thanks +Jan 15 15:05:11 <quantumsummers_> no motions to update +Jan 15 15:05:13 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks - I'll post the long Tue or Wed +Jan 15 15:05:21 <NeddySeagoon> log* +Jan 15 15:05:24 <quantumsummers_> no emails to send +Jan 15 15:05:37 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks for chairing +Jan 15 15:05:40 <quantumsummers_> Lets open the floor to the channel? +Jan 15 15:05:46 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jan 15 15:05:46 <dabbott> yes thanks quantumsummers_ +Jan 15 15:05:50 <quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: my pleasure +Jan 15 15:06:00 <quantumsummers_> hopefully I didnt rush anyone +Jan 15 15:06:11 <NeddySeagoon> not at all +Jan 15 15:06:16 <quantumsummers_> anyone for open floor? +Jan 15 15:06:25 <quantumsummers_> open floor going once +Jan 15 15:06:30 <quantumsummers_> open floor going twice +Jan 15 15:06:42 <quantumsummers_> three times a lady, anyone? +Jan 15 15:07:12 * quantumsummers_ borrows NeddySeagoon's gavel and bangs it +Jan 15 15:07:15 <quantumsummers_> meeting adjorned diff --git a/2012/20120219_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120219_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..0525296 --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120219_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,394 @@ +Feb 19 14:00:19 * quantumsummers_ bangs the gavel to start the meeting +Feb 19 14:00:28 <quantumsummers_> 1. Roll call +Feb 19 14:00:31 * quantumsummers_ is present +Feb 19 14:00:32 <rich0> here +Feb 19 14:00:40 <dabbott> present +Feb 19 14:00:44 <quantumsummers_> we know robbat2 is here as well +Feb 19 14:00:55 <quantumsummers_> who is logging? +Feb 19 14:01:17 <dabbott> i am +Feb 19 14:01:27 <quantumsummers_> cool, I have a log as well +Feb 19 14:01:35 <quantumsummers_> 3. Old Business +Feb 19 14:01:45 <dabbott> refresh the agenda i added a few bug numbers +Feb 19 14:01:45 <quantumsummers_> Gentoo Logo Usage Policy +Feb 19 14:02:33 <dabbott> this is still ongoing +Feb 19 14:03:36 <quantumsummers_> yes, it looks like progress however. +rich0, was there anything you found since last meeting? +Feb 19 14:04:01 <rich0> Not yet - posting a first draft agreement is still on +my to-do list. +Feb 19 14:04:49 <quantumsummers_> ok. +Feb 19 14:05:04 <quantumsummers_> anything else on this topic? +Feb 19 14:05:15 <robbat2> hi +Feb 19 14:05:46 <dabbott> hi robbat2 +Feb 19 14:06:05 <rich0> Nothing from me +Feb 19 14:06:19 <quantumsummers_> ok +Feb 19 14:06:26 <quantumsummers_> no updates from sflc +Feb 19 14:06:43 <dabbott> plan B? +Feb 19 14:07:36 <quantumsummers_> while I am thinking about it, let me write +a quick email +Feb 19 14:10:02 * ABCD (~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd) has joined +#gentoo-trustees +Feb 19 14:11:01 <quantumsummers_> ok +Feb 19 14:11:21 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: lets see what response I get, or +we will need to create a plan b +Feb 19 14:11:47 <quantumsummers_> as I do not have any good ideas for +finding council that has the expertise of sflxc +Feb 19 14:11:50 <quantumsummers_> *sflc +Feb 19 14:11:52 <dabbott> sure +Feb 19 14:12:22 <dabbott> I was thinking of contacting the large distros for +referrals +Feb 19 14:12:34 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: that is not a bad idea at all. +Feb 19 14:13:26 <quantumsummers_> reminds me I need to contact fenwick +people about the trademark engagement. I have a feeling that to continue the +engagement there, we may have to pay a bit. +Feb 19 14:13:36 <quantumsummers_> given that they tried to drop us +Feb 19 14:13:43 <quantumsummers_> or at least it seemed that way +Feb 19 14:15:24 <quantumsummers_> I'll just call on Tuesday (Monday is a +holiday) +Feb 19 14:16:18 <quantumsummers_> ok, on my calendar +Feb 19 14:16:51 <quantumsummers_> they may be able to assist with some +elements of logo policy since it interrelates with trademark +Feb 19 14:16:55 <quantumsummers_> we shall see +Feb 19 14:17:12 <quantumsummers_> ok, rich0 anything on the tracker? +Feb 19 14:18:42 <rich0> Nothing new - next item that is coming due is our +taxes. +Feb 19 14:18:50 <quantumsummers_> yep. +Feb 19 14:18:50 <rich0> Assuming we haven't filed them yet. +Feb 19 14:19:08 <quantumsummers_> I thought I entered this already +Feb 19 14:19:28 <rich0> The last I had heard we had filed for an extension. +Feb 19 14:19:35 <rich0> That will come due in April. +Feb 19 14:19:37 <quantumsummers_> I have a meeting next week to go over +everything with the CPA. I think they are either finished or nearly so +Feb 19 14:19:54 <rich0> Great news - just let me know when it is filed or feel +free to update the tracker. +Feb 19 14:19:57 <quantumsummers_> so, I'll sign and we'll file asap +Feb 19 14:20:01 <quantumsummers_> yessir +Feb 19 14:20:13 <dabbott> good work quantumsummers_ :) +Feb 19 14:20:13 <quantumsummers_> sorry for getting off track there +Feb 19 14:20:19 <quantumsummers_> thanks +Feb 19 14:20:36 <rich0> Yes, definitely great work! That will be a major +milestone for the Foundation. +Feb 19 14:20:57 <quantumsummers_> yes, we should be all caught up finally! +Feb 19 14:21:38 <quantumsummers_> ok, so open bugs +Feb 19 14:21:57 <quantumsummers_> out of order +Feb 19 14:22:06 <quantumsummers_> here is one that we should address now +Feb 19 14:22:18 <quantumsummers_> bug 390205 +Feb 19 14:22:21 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/390205 +"app-text/notecase-pro licensing"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; CONF; +johneed:maksbotan +Feb 19 14:22:24 <dabbott> some of the bugs are duplicated down in the agenda +Feb 19 14:22:34 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: ah yes. no biggie +Feb 19 14:22:58 <quantumsummers_> so that notecase-pro +Feb 19 14:23:12 <quantumsummers_> I think that one is getting punted from +the tree, or am I mistaken? +Feb 19 14:23:27 <rich0> Not that I've heard. +Feb 19 14:23:37 <rich0> Or are you suggesting it should be punted? +Feb 19 14:23:42 <quantumsummers_> ah, ok. reading again, it looks like we're +in teh clear +Feb 19 14:24:09 <rich0> I do agree that at the very least the LICENSE in the +ebuild must be fixed asap. +Feb 19 14:24:25 <rich0> The fact that there isn't much maintainer action makes +me wonder if it is maintained. +Feb 19 14:24:28 <quantumsummers_> we do not need to mirror anything, so we +put the onus on the end user. Yes, the LICENSE needs to be updated +Feb 19 14:24:46 <quantumsummers_> I don't know anything about the package, +so.. +Feb 19 14:25:35 <rich0> My suggestion is that the maintainer has already +failed to respond - probably best to just treeclean it. I have no objections +to it being unmasked and kept if the LICENSE is first fixed. +Feb 19 14:25:51 <quantumsummers_> rich0: I fully agree with that course of +action +Feb 19 14:25:56 <robbat2> +1 +Feb 19 14:26:05 <quantumsummers_> rich0: mind updating the bug? +Feb 19 14:26:08 <dabbott> +1 +Feb 19 14:26:10 <rich0> Will do - right now. +Feb 19 14:26:14 <quantumsummers_> cc treecleaners maybe +Feb 19 14:26:27 <quantumsummers_> I don't want this one to fall off the +radar +Feb 19 14:26:55 <rich0> Will do +Feb 19 14:27:58 <quantumsummers_> thanks +Feb 19 14:28:02 <quantumsummers_> bug 293309 +Feb 19 14:28:05 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293309 +"x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme Gentoo branding (see comment #19)"; Gentoo Linux, +GNOME; CONF; fastijum:licenses +Feb 19 14:28:32 <quantumsummers_> to answer robbat2's question in comment +#24, yes I think we need to update the logo page to reflect the new license +Feb 19 14:30:04 <rich0> Agreed, we should also note in the comments that a +unified trademark/copyright license policy is forthcoming. +Feb 19 14:30:04 <quantumsummers_> as far as that bug, I assume that the +choice of CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 allows this bug to be closed with some +guidance? +Feb 19 14:30:05 <dabbott> I am fine with that, robbat2 can you update the +page? +Feb 19 14:30:25 <dabbott> do we need a motion? +Feb 19 14:30:43 <rich0> I do agree with ulm's comment that sampling+ is a bit +of a hack - which is what we'll aim to fix with that longer-term. +Feb 19 14:31:07 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: I don't think so, since we +already decided about the CCPL... license +Feb 19 14:31:36 <robbat2> ok, i'll work out a rewording and email it to the +alias for review? +Feb 19 14:31:43 <quantumsummers_> sounds great robbat2 +Feb 19 14:32:12 <quantumsummers_> anything else here? +Feb 19 14:33:41 <robbat2> not for that bug +Feb 19 14:33:43 <quantumsummers_> ok then Bug 371543 +Feb 19 14:33:47 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 +"Offer vector graphic of newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, +Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees +Feb 19 14:34:09 <quantumsummers_> waiting on sping +Feb 19 14:34:46 <quantumsummers_> Bug 402405 +Feb 19 14:34:48 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/402405 +"Legal Acceptance of Polish Facebook Fan Site"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; +CONF; rich0:trustees +Feb 19 14:35:37 <quantumsummers_> It appears ok to me, I guess. +Feb 19 14:35:41 <rich0> My sense is that they're basically compliant already +with the policy as far as the Foundation is concerned. Separately we can +mention that they might want to inquire with the German group. +Feb 19 14:36:03 <dabbott> fine here +Feb 19 14:36:21 <robbat2> +1 +Feb 19 14:36:29 <quantumsummers_> ok, that works +Feb 19 14:36:56 <rich0> Who wants to reply to them? +Feb 19 14:37:01 <quantumsummers_> rich0: can you update the bug an notify +the group? +Feb 19 14:37:05 <quantumsummers_> *and +Feb 19 14:37:05 <rich0> Will do. +Feb 19 14:37:09 <quantumsummers_> thank you sir! +Feb 19 14:37:12 <dabbott> thanks rich0 +Feb 19 14:37:33 <quantumsummers_> ok, now Bug 296766 +Feb 19 14:37:36 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 +"Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo +Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees +Feb 19 14:37:39 <quantumsummers_> this should be fully updated now. +Feb 19 14:37:42 <dabbott> Bug 296766 this can be closed +Feb 19 14:37:43 <willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 +"Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo +Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees +Feb 19 14:38:00 <quantumsummers_> I received confirmation from Mr. Chew with +a copy of the state docs +Feb 19 14:38:05 <quantumsummers_> yes, it can be closed +Feb 19 14:38:06 <dabbott> just checked looks good +Feb 19 14:38:14 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: will you do the honors? +Feb 19 14:38:20 <dabbott> sure +Feb 19 14:38:25 <quantumsummers_> many thanks +Feb 19 14:38:48 <quantumsummers_> ok Bug 369185 +Feb 19 14:38:50 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 +"Official "g" logo's licensing under CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 should mentioned +at Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; +IN_P; sping:trustees +Feb 19 14:39:02 <quantumsummers_> this is WIP thanks to robbat2 +Feb 19 14:39:39 <quantumsummers_> http://www.facebook.com/gentoolinuxpolska +Feb 19 14:39:41 <quantumsummers_> oops +Feb 19 14:39:46 <quantumsummers_> Bug 371541 +Feb 19 14:39:48 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371541 +"Offer vector graphic of "gentoo linux TM" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, +Graphics; IN_P; sping:trustees +Feb 19 14:40:21 <quantumsummers_> I guess when someone makes said graphic, +we can offer it +Feb 19 14:40:24 <quantumsummers_> moving along +Feb 19 14:40:55 <quantumsummers_> Bug 351045 +Feb 19 14:40:58 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 +"www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; +CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs +Feb 19 14:41:07 <quantumsummers_> waiting on some contact/response from sflc +Feb 19 14:41:31 <quantumsummers_> robbat2: do you have something in mind we +could use? I know there were some drafts floating around. +Feb 19 14:41:53 <robbat2> quantumsummers_, you said you were contacting the +attorney last, and I left it after that +Feb 19 14:41:56 <quantumsummers_> geh, over a year since my last comment +Feb 19 14:42:18 <quantumsummers_> man I hope Daniel responds to me +Feb 19 14:42:38 <quantumsummers_> Bug 285549 +Feb 19 14:42:41 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 +"Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; +IN_P; belendax:trustees +Feb 19 14:43:01 <quantumsummers_> I never received anything from sflc on +this question +Feb 19 14:43:16 <quantumsummers_> I think the issue is more political than +anything +Feb 19 14:43:19 <robbat2> ok, i'm going to add -ir to the list +Feb 19 14:43:26 <quantumsummers_> robbat2: wait a sec please +Feb 19 14:43:42 <quantumsummers_> can we use the language instead? +Feb 19 14:44:11 <quantumsummers_> which is farsi I believe? +Feb 19 14:44:32 <dabbott> there may be many +Feb 19 14:44:34 <rich0> Targetting the language is a good way to sidestep the +legal issues. +Feb 19 14:45:03 <quantumsummers_> rich0: that is my thought +Feb 19 14:45:16 <rich0> Still, I see this more as providing information. +Gentoo isn't actually providing any funding or infrastructure to any Iranian +interest per-se. +Feb 19 14:45:27 <robbat2> Iran has ~75 languages +Feb 19 14:46:07 <rich0> If we get some kind of takedown we could of course +comply immediately until it can be cleared up legally. However, I don't know +that embargos mean that you can't link to websites or IRC channels. +Feb 19 14:46:20 <rich0> I'd think that Freenode has the bigger problem. +Feb 19 14:46:46 <robbat2> ~11 of those are more than 1M speakers +Feb 19 14:46:52 <quantumsummers_> iran is just a touchy situation right now, +but yeah I doubt it will be trouble for us unless there is some bad deed that +occurs in that channel +Feb 19 14:47:06 <quantumsummers_> then its just PR trouble +Feb 19 14:47:15 <quantumsummers_> seems fine to go ahead, from my pov +Feb 19 14:47:18 <robbat2> Facebook supports Iran since the green revolution +far more than we would be +Feb 19 14:47:40 <quantumsummers_> ok, lets go ahead with it robbat2 +Feb 19 14:47:53 <dabbott> I am for adding the channel +Feb 19 14:47:54 <quantumsummers_> do we have a consensus? +Feb 19 14:48:00 <robbat2> +1 from me +Feb 19 14:48:04 <quantumsummers_> +1 +Feb 19 14:48:12 <rich0> +1 +Feb 19 14:48:16 <quantumsummers_> that does it +Feb 19 14:48:20 <quantumsummers_> proceed robbat2 +Feb 19 14:48:31 <robbat2> ok, will do. next bug +Feb 19 14:48:58 <quantumsummers_> Bug 373241 +Feb 19 14:48:58 <quantumsummers_> keep it open for now, nothing to do +however +Feb 19 14:49:01 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/373241 +"Fund the building of 3 MIPS build systems"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; +IN_P; mattst88:trustees +Feb 19 14:49:30 <quantumsummers_> moving along +Feb 19 14:49:31 <dabbott> ongoing tracker +Feb 19 14:49:38 <quantumsummers_> the next is Bug 403705 +Feb 19 14:49:40 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/403705 +"games-action/koth-0.8.0 invalid ebuild header"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; CONF; +ulm:qa +Feb 19 14:50:07 <quantumsummers_> did anyone contact the guy on this ebuild? +Feb 19 14:50:38 <quantumsummers_> my position, and I think robbat2 agrees, +is that the ebuild is trivial enough not to warrant anything special, and that +we can simply update the header +Feb 19 14:51:17 <quantumsummers_> there is no "special contribution of code" +in that ebuild +Feb 19 14:51:41 <quantumsummers_> this does bring up a much larger issue, +that of copyright for contributors, etc +Feb 19 14:51:59 <rich0> Tend to agree. If Arcady complains we could rewrite +the parts not already in the ebuild.skel. +Feb 19 14:52:17 <rich0> My feeling is that we should stick with the current +devmanual policy. +Feb 19 14:52:29 <quantumsummers_> I agree +Feb 19 14:52:34 <dabbott> +1 +Feb 19 14:52:44 <rich0> If a contributor actually modifies the copyright +header we should point that out in the bug before simply changing it and give +them a little time to express any objections. +Feb 19 14:53:06 <quantumsummers_> if the header is changed, repoman should +reject the commit +Feb 19 14:53:11 <quantumsummers_> now +Feb 19 14:53:15 <rich0> However, in general we should not commit into portage +anything that violates the current policy, unless a considered change to the +policy is first made. +Feb 19 14:53:16 <quantumsummers_> that was fixed I think +Feb 19 14:53:57 <rich0> Yup - I was thinking more in terms of a +proxy-maintainer submitting something non-compliant. A dev should correct +this, note it in the bug, and give the contributor a few days to object. +Feb 19 14:54:09 <quantumsummers_> thing is, all contributors are listed in +the Changelog. In the case that its long, then its in the cvs repo +Feb 19 14:54:19 <rich0> Agreed. +Feb 19 14:54:22 <quantumsummers_> yeah, rich0, that makes sense +Feb 19 14:54:43 <rich0> Otherwise I can see a big legal mess down the road if +that gets out of hand. +Feb 19 14:55:11 <quantumsummers_> yeah, and maintenance mess too +Feb 19 14:55:46 <rich0> Ok, so should we just comment on the bug and turn it +back to QA? +Feb 19 14:56:17 <dabbott> yes my position is we support the dev manual +Feb 19 14:56:18 <quantumsummers_> yeah. seems ok to me +Feb 19 14:56:29 <quantumsummers_> its been that way for quite a long itme +Feb 19 14:56:32 <quantumsummers_> *time +Feb 19 14:56:52 <quantumsummers_> robbat2: anything to add? +Feb 19 14:56:58 <robbat2> noe +Feb 19 14:56:59 <robbat2> *nope +Feb 19 14:57:21 <quantumsummers_> ok +Feb 19 14:57:35 <rich0> I can note this in the bug if desired. +Feb 19 14:57:42 <quantumsummers_> rich0: please do +Feb 19 14:57:55 <dabbott> thanks +Feb 19 14:58:13 <quantumsummers_> ok, Foundation Membership for developer +Ian Stakenvicius, aka axs +Feb 19 14:58:23 <quantumsummers_> all in favor, vote aye +Feb 19 14:58:28 <dabbott> aye +Feb 19 14:58:37 <quantumsummers_> aye +Feb 19 14:58:49 <quantumsummers_> rich0 and robbat2? +Feb 19 14:59:01 <rich0> aye +Feb 19 15:01:18 <quantumsummers_> well, we have enough to pass +Feb 19 15:01:26 <quantumsummers_> so he is approved by majority vote +Feb 19 15:01:29 <robbat2> +1 +Feb 19 15:01:39 <rich0> WORKSFORME +Feb 19 15:01:53 <quantumsummers_> I'll email real fast +Feb 19 15:02:01 <quantumsummers_> ok done +Feb 19 15:02:11 <quantumsummers_> Bug 404217 +Feb 19 15:02:14 <willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/404217 +"Becoming a sponsor with 2 text links"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; +grant:trustees +Feb 19 15:02:24 <quantumsummers_> Motion: Deny this request. +Feb 19 15:02:58 <quantumsummers_> insufficient contribution to warrant, imo +Feb 19 15:03:56 <dabbott> robbat2, opinion +Feb 19 15:03:56 <robbat2> seconded +Feb 19 15:03:59 <rich0> Tend to agree. We don't really have a cash-donation +policy and it wouldn't hurt to have one, but this is clearly not much of a +contribution compared to our current sponsors. We should be nice about the +reply though. I think the sense has been that we're always reluctant to trade +cash for sponsorship anyway. +Feb 19 15:04:31 <quantumsummers_> ok, please vote on the motion to deny. aye +== deny +Feb 19 15:04:37 <rich0> aye +Feb 19 15:04:38 <robbat2> aye +Feb 19 15:04:40 <quantumsummers_> aye +Feb 19 15:04:42 <dabbott> aye +Feb 19 15:04:45 <quantumsummers_> carried +Feb 19 15:05:00 <quantumsummers_> I will write the fellow, unless someone +else prefers to do it +Feb 19 15:05:20 <dabbott> thanks quantumsummers_ he is a gentoo user seems +ok +Feb 19 15:05:44 <quantumsummers_> cool, I applaud his intentions, but we are +just not setup to allow this at this time. +Feb 19 15:05:46 <dabbott> i see hin on the gentoo-user mail list +Feb 19 15:06:03 <dabbott> *him +Feb 19 15:06:14 <rich0> Maybe some day if we ever get donation badges or +something on the forums that might be an appropriate level of acknowledgment. +Feb 19 15:06:15 <quantumsummers_> I just wish people would donate and not +ask for something in return like links, it would make things much easier +Feb 19 15:06:31 <rich0> Many people already do exactly that. +Feb 19 15:06:32 <quantumsummers_> rich0: I like that idea. I've seen it in a +few places +Feb 19 15:07:02 <quantumsummers_> rich0: yes, the majority of donors don't +ask for anything +Feb 19 15:07:26 <quantumsummers_> alright Date of Next Meeting - 18th Mar +2012 19:00 UTC +Feb 19 15:07:29 <quantumsummers_> wfm +Feb 19 15:07:40 <quantumsummers_> anyone object to that date/time? +Feb 19 15:07:47 <rich0> Since being CC'ed on the paypal thank-you's I've been +amazed by the level of generosity we benefit from. Might be a nice topic for +a news article or something... +Feb 19 15:07:51 <dabbott> fine here +Feb 19 15:08:08 <robbat2> checking my cal +Feb 19 15:08:15 <quantumsummers_> rich0: sure. good idea you have. I can get +any data you need for that endeavor +Feb 19 15:08:16 <rich0> That works. +Feb 19 15:08:21 <robbat2> works +Feb 19 15:08:28 <quantumsummers_> ok, set Date of Next Meeting - 18th Mar +2012 19:00 UTC +Feb 19 15:08:30 <rich0> Note that in the US that is after the DST change. +Feb 19 15:08:38 <rich0> I suspect not so in Europe. +Feb 19 15:08:57 <quantumsummers_> its still UTC :) +Feb 19 15:09:18 <quantumsummers_> Any other business +Feb 19 15:09:59 <quantumsummers_> anybody? +Feb 19 15:10:04 <rich0> none here +Feb 19 15:10:13 <quantumsummers_> none from me +Feb 19 15:10:21 <robbat2> none +Feb 19 15:10:26 <quantumsummers_> dabbott: ? +Feb 19 15:10:36 <dabbott> nope, i will post the log and 2 motions and +minutes +Feb 19 15:10:41 <quantumsummers_> thanks +Feb 19 15:10:47 <quantumsummers_> I've got one more email to write +Feb 19 15:10:55 <rich0> Oh, not business, but a quick note that the tresurer's +report was never posted from the August meeting. +Feb 19 15:11:03 <rich0> No need to discuss - just wanted to mention. +Feb 19 15:11:24 <quantumsummers_> rich0: noted. I need to get that done. I +thought I put that up somewhere in txt form though +Feb 19 15:11:30 <quantumsummers_> hmm, on my list +Feb 19 15:11:33 <quantumsummers_> sorry for that +Feb 19 15:11:40 <quantumsummers_> Open Floor +Feb 19 15:12:09 <quantumsummers_> anyone who wishes to bring up business for +the consideration by the board, plaese do so now. +Feb 19 15:12:28 <quantumsummers_> wow that was a terrible sentence +Feb 19 15:12:31 <quantumsummers_> ok, going once +Feb 19 15:12:37 <quantumsummers_> going twice ... +Feb 19 15:12:53 <quantumsummers_> thrice the fem fatale ... +Feb 19 15:13:25 <quantumsummers_> Meeting is hereby adjorned. Many thanks +for attending and participating! +Feb 19 15:13:27 <dabbott> quantumsummers_, we need to update +http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml if you send me the info +i will update it +Feb 19 15:13:29 * quantumsummers_ bangs gavel diff --git a/2012/20120318_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120318_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..eba43a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120318_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,245 @@ +Mar 18 15:10:25 <rich0> Ok, I can chair... +Mar 18 15:10:32 <rich0> Roll call... +Mar 18 15:10:37 <robbat2> we can give it a quick spin of meeting items +Mar 18 15:10:41 <robbat2> present +Mar 18 15:10:45 <dabbott> here +Mar 18 15:10:56 <rich0> Ok +Mar 18 15:11:05 <rich0> I'm logging - I'm sure others are as well. +Mar 18 15:11:06 <dabbott> i am logging +Mar 18 15:11:11 <rich0> Excellent +Mar 18 15:11:24 <rich0> Old business - logo policy. +Mar 18 15:11:49 <rich0> I have not had a chance to post anything yet. I did note a ping on a bug regarding the copyright on the logo. +Mar 18 15:11:59 <rich0> Probably best to defer that to the new policy. +Mar 18 15:12:03 <rich0> Anything else on that topic? +Mar 18 15:12:13 <robbat2> nothing else +Mar 18 15:12:23 <dabbott> nope +Mar 18 15:12:38 <rich0> (FYI - anyone else who wants to take a stab at it is welcome to do so, but I haven't given up...) +Mar 18 15:12:50 <rich0> Ok, anything on SFLC? +Mar 18 15:13:00 <robbat2> if/when i get around to the privacy policy i might do logos at the same time +Mar 18 15:13:19 <rich0> robbat2, by all means go ahead if you get to it first. +Mar 18 15:13:53 <dabbott> quantumsummers, did note he got a positive response from SFLC +Mar 18 15:14:15 <rich0> Excellent - glad to see that seems to be moving forward again. +Mar 18 15:14:30 <rich0> Maybe by the time we have a new logo policy there will be somebody to review it for us. :) +Mar 18 15:15:15 <rich0> Any other details worth sharing, otherwise we can let quantumsummers give us the full run-down next month. +Mar 18 15:16:21 <rich0> Ok, if not, skipping down to the activity tracker, only thing worth mentioning is that we're coming up on the 990 due date - assuming it isn't already filed. +Mar 18 15:16:35 <rich0> If it is feel free to update the last-performed and next-due info. +Mar 18 15:17:08 <rich0> I imagine we'll need an update from quantumsummers on that... +Mar 18 15:17:26 <rich0> Any questions on the activity tracker? +Mar 18 15:17:56 <robbat2> none from me +Mar 18 15:18:00 <rich0> Ok, then moving on... +Mar 18 15:18:05 <rich0> Bugs... +Mar 18 15:18:30 <dabbott> looks like the same from last month +Mar 18 15:19:04 <rich0> Yes - skimming now... +Mar 18 15:19:12 <rich0> I see notecase-pro is masked +Mar 18 15:19:12 <robbat2> bug 399397 needs action +Mar 18 15:19:39 <rich0> Didn't we ask them for a formal proposal? +Mar 18 15:19:50 <dabbott> yes +Mar 18 15:20:00 <rich0> So, we're still waiting for a response, yes? +Mar 18 15:20:01 <dabbott> tampakrap, ^^ +Mar 18 15:20:42 <dabbott> it is his minion :) +Mar 18 15:21:20 <rich0> I can do a quick reply-all to the Jan 19th email reminding them that we're willing to evaluate any proposal. +Mar 18 15:21:32 <dabbott> ++ +Mar 18 15:21:48 <robbat2> i updated 399209 and 389989. I think reimbursement was sent to antarus on them, but i don't know if he got it yet +Mar 18 15:22:17 <tampakrap> hi +Mar 18 15:22:47 <rich0> tampakrap, just sent you an email +Mar 18 15:22:57 * ABCD (~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Mar 18 15:23:01 <rich0> Are you still planning to write up a proposal for FOSSCON? +Mar 18 15:23:05 <tampakrap> you will have more news soon, we had a meeting as gentoo greek community, the guys are in the process of finding a good price to print the materials +Mar 18 15:23:39 <rich0> Excellent - and you don't necessarily need the exact figures to get approval. +Mar 18 15:23:50 <tampakrap> noted +Mar 18 15:23:55 <rich0> You'll need the receipts for actual reimbursement, but as long as you're within the approved budget you'll be fine. +Mar 18 15:24:53 <tampakrap> sure, thank you +Mar 18 15:25:03 <rich0> you're welcome - thanks for organizing! +Mar 18 15:25:17 <robbat2> bug 403701, i committed it +Mar 18 15:25:17 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/403701 "dev-games/hawknl-1.68-r1 invalid ebuild header"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; CONF; ulm:qa +Mar 18 15:25:18 <tampakrap> (I don't live in Greece any more, I can just poke people and act as a middle man) +Mar 18 15:26:11 <rich0> I think bug 405803 is actionable, but perhaps we should wait for all to voice their opinions? +Mar 18 15:26:13 <willikins> rich0: https://bugs.gentoo.org/405803 "[science-overlay] sci-libs/amdlibm-3.0.1 released and ebuild updates"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; CONF; ua_gentoo_bugzilla:sci +Mar 18 15:26:41 <rich0> Rather than wait another month perhaps worth pinging all via email. +Mar 18 15:27:04 <rich0> Particularly in light of ulm's note. +Mar 18 15:27:23 <rich0> Anybody care to comment on that one now? +Mar 18 15:27:32 <robbat2> i'm reviewing it atm +Mar 18 15:28:22 <rich0> I'd probably want to read the license in the tarball in light of his comment before passing final judgment. Obviously if nothing else the ebuild license needs to be fixed. +Mar 18 15:30:20 <robbat2> ok, I can comment on it solidly now +Mar 18 15:30:30 <robbat2> the license isn't why we need RESTRICT=fetch +Mar 18 15:30:36 <robbat2> it's the export restrictions on it +Mar 18 15:31:06 <robbat2> rich0, ^^^ +Mar 18 15:31:23 * |miska| (~|miska|@queeg.hrusecky.net) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Mar 18 15:31:34 <rich0> Is it actually export restricted? +Mar 18 15:31:44 <rich0> Clause 11 just says that it "may" be restricted. +Mar 18 15:31:50 <rich0> Perhaps it is a boilerplate clause. +Mar 18 15:32:18 <robbat2> no, that software is actually export restricted +Mar 18 15:33:16 <robbat2> background on it, is that some implementations of high-performance math libraries are restricted so that they can't be used for nuclear/weapons development +Mar 18 15:33:48 <dabbott> interesting +Mar 18 15:34:08 <robbat2> i'll write an answer on the bug +Mar 18 15:34:36 <rich0> Can you find some documentation somewhere that supports that this particular package is export restricted? +Mar 18 15:34:47 <rich0> Not necessarily right now... +Mar 18 15:35:01 <rich0> Ok, my comments on the bug were primarily from a copyright standpoint. +Mar 18 15:35:29 <rich0> I'll have to think about it some about whether posting URLs to export-restricted materials is potentially illegal. That probably shouldn't be done lightly. +Mar 18 15:36:37 <rich0> Ok, so why don't we ping the alias to trigger some more offline discussion - I don't think we need to try to resolve this now - especially with only three of us. +Mar 18 15:36:46 <rich0> Any other comments on that one? +Mar 18 15:36:56 <robbat2> We explicitly direct people to AMD's download page +Mar 18 15:37:05 <robbat2> and that places the burden of proof on AMD +Mar 18 15:37:09 <robbat2> which they already have set up +Mar 18 15:37:12 <robbat2> to verify country +Mar 18 15:37:28 <robbat2> if you follow the download link +Mar 18 15:37:29 <rich0> No issues with that, but there was a concern about a src_uri that skips the webpage in the ebuild. +Mar 18 15:37:31 <robbat2> from the initial page +Mar 18 15:37:38 <robbat2> that we must not do +Mar 18 15:38:22 <rich0> Ok, any other bug-related items? +Mar 18 15:38:27 <rich0> This or otherwise? +Mar 18 15:38:45 <dabbott> none here +Mar 18 15:38:59 <robbat2> re export restrictions: there is a large wavier on most open-source software from export restrictions, but this is closed-source, so doesn't qualify for the waiver +Mar 18 15:39:14 * NeddySeagoon (~NeddySeag@gentoo/developer/NeddySeagoon) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Mar 18 15:39:15 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to NeddySeagoon +Mar 18 15:39:34 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, welcome back to the land of the waking. :) +Mar 18 15:39:55 <rich0> We were just finishing discussion on bugs. +Mar 18 15:40:04 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thanks. The work VPN just died on me. So I'm having a break +Mar 18 15:40:22 * dabbott serves NeddySeagoon some soft icecream +Mar 18 15:40:35 <rich0> robbat2, I'll have to do some reading up on export restrictions - that wasn't even on my radar - good catch. We can finish that one up soon I think. +Mar 18 15:40:53 <rich0> Ok, any new business - anyone? +Mar 18 15:40:59 <dabbott> update | redo "Quarterly Financial Reports"; http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/ +Mar 18 15:41:47 <rich0> dabbott, looks like that page is a bit stale +Mar 18 15:41:57 <dabbott> I will add it to the agenda for next month +Mar 18 15:42:30 <rich0> Maybe that and the missing treasurer's report? +Mar 18 15:42:34 <dabbott> at one point we were going to come up with a new system for reporting +Mar 18 15:42:35 <rich0> Unless that was rectified? +Mar 18 15:42:52 <rich0> Might be best to wait until quantumsummers can comment on that. +Mar 18 15:43:07 <dabbott> yes +Mar 18 15:43:27 <rich0> Well, no harm putting both on the agenda. +Mar 18 15:43:35 <rich0> Anything else? +Mar 18 15:44:20 <rich0> Ok, then on to cleanup... +Mar 18 15:44:30 <rich0> Date of next meeting - 15th Apr 2012 19:00 UTC +Mar 18 15:44:45 <dabbott> ok here +Mar 18 15:45:10 <robbat2> tampakrap has something for open floor shortly +Mar 18 15:45:11 <rich0> ditto +Mar 18 15:45:15 <robbat2> checking my cal +Mar 18 15:45:16 <rich0> excellent +Mar 18 15:45:22 <tampakrap> my turn? +Mar 18 15:45:23 <dabbott> also i will post the log, and Minutes +Mar 18 15:45:24 <NeddySeagoon> I'll do my best but work is a bit unpredictable +Mar 18 15:45:32 <rich0> tampakrap, just a minute... +Mar 18 15:45:45 <robbat2> i _should_ be back from Silicon Valley by then i hoke +Mar 18 15:45:46 <robbat2> *hope +Mar 18 15:45:56 <rich0> Ok, I'll email re the amd bug. +Mar 18 15:46:08 <rich0> so, I think that is it - open floor. +Mar 18 15:46:12 <rich0> tampakrap, go ahead... +Mar 18 15:46:42 <tampakrap> the past three months I've been living in Prague, where I have another colleague from Gentoo here, |miska| +Mar 18 15:47:01 <tampakrap> and we had the idea of organizing a gentoo conference here +Mar 18 15:47:20 <tampakrap> we have plenty of ideas for it, one was to co-host it with another local conference +Mar 18 15:47:39 <tampakrap> it will take place probably next year, which will give us some time to prepare +Mar 18 15:48:04 <tampakrap> I'd like the support of the foundation for this though from the beginning, especially in funding people to come here +Mar 18 15:48:21 <tampakrap> since we will be able to cover the costs with local sponsorships +Mar 18 15:48:38 <tampakrap> so I'd like to first of all know if the foundation is willing to have such an event +Mar 18 15:49:13 <tampakrap> I believe it will be great for our community and developers for various (and obvious) reasons +Mar 18 15:49:43 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, what people do you think need help with funding for travel ? +Mar 18 15:49:57 <robbat2> have we ever resolved under what conditions we can give a developer money other than reimbursing for purchases on behalf of Gentoo, specifically with no benefit to the developer, so that we don't come afoul of the IRS rules? +Mar 18 15:50:19 <tampakrap> developers, for example the kde eV funds developers to go to akademy or smaller events +Mar 18 15:50:48 <robbat2> the eV isn't under US tax law ;-) +Mar 18 15:50:54 <rich0> I suspect that we can legally fund travel, to some extent. I did some research and I couldn't find any clear bans on this from the IRS. Now, affordability is a different matter - that can get REALLY expensive fast and we need to try to be equitable. +Mar 18 15:51:55 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I think it needs to be to cover costs incurred in the performance of the business of the foundation. That way there is no benefit to the individual. Attending the conference would be the business of the foundation +Mar 18 15:52:19 <rich0> I suspect the biggest IRS issue is that the foundation can't be some kind of front for making tax-deductible payments to ourselves. If most of the money goes from contributors to others for purposes clearly aligned to our mission (which is non-profit), I suspect we'll be fine. +Mar 18 15:52:38 <rich0> I think a key factor is that we can't just be paying people to show up. +Mar 18 15:52:47 <robbat2> if we picked up block of accommodation somehow, as a large org, that might be good for equitable coverage? +Mar 18 15:52:58 <tampakrap> I have thought about that as well +Mar 18 15:53:10 <rich0> If somebody is making a significant sacrifice of time and this is just something that is enabling, then that probably makes more sense than flying people around to sit in the audience. +Mar 18 15:53:16 <tampakrap> get rooms cheaper in a hotel, organize official parties etc +Mar 18 15:53:30 <NeddySeagoon> rich0,++ +Mar 18 15:53:53 <robbat2> large dorm setups as well +Mar 18 15:53:58 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, how many people do you have in mind ? +Mar 18 15:54:02 <tampakrap> for europeans it won't be much of a problem, we could even organize a bus for germany and other countries +Mar 18 15:54:06 <robbat2> like university residences in off-season +Mar 18 15:54:15 <tampakrap> but for the US guys, you'll be needed +Mar 18 15:54:27 <tampakrap> about 200 gentoo people much I believe +Mar 18 15:54:34 <tampakrap> excluding local +Mar 18 15:54:50 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, thats the entire active dev population +Mar 18 15:55:10 <tampakrap> non-devs / active contributors as well +Mar 18 15:55:38 * ABCD has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) +Mar 18 15:56:04 <robbat2> SFO -> PRG is about $1400, NYC -> PRG is about $1200 +Mar 18 15:56:09 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, We may be able to fund speakers and gentoo people having an active part in the conference. Ordinary attendees, unlikely +Mar 18 15:56:15 <rich0> I think we need to be realistic. I doubt we can afford to be sending large populations to conferences, paying for hotels, etc. Now, if paying for one bus would make logistical sense and it were a pretty full bus maybe that would be more practical. However, paying for rooms and food for a whole bus might be tough. +Mar 18 15:57:17 <tampakrap> kde for example books many rooms in a few hotels and I believe it pays for 80% of them either way, even if they don't get covered +Mar 18 15:57:23 <rich0> For the most part I think Gentoo sponsorship should either about funding somebody who is making a major sacrifice of time, or it should be about providing a little help to people who are otherwise willing to mostly foot their own bills. +Mar 18 15:57:26 <tampakrap> and the prices of the hotels are affordable +Mar 18 15:57:39 <NeddySeagoon> We could make a contribution to the costs. People would eat anyway - so there is a case for not paying the full cost of food. +Mar 18 15:58:24 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, Thats what I was trying to say but you said it better than me +Mar 18 15:58:44 <robbat2> tampakrap, can you scout for: 1. block booking prices for hotels 2. if this is going to be off-season for a local university that is very close by, look if they have residence conference programs +Mar 18 15:59:04 <rich0> I have no issue with some level of contribution, but it has to be backed by accomplishment and have an impact in line with the costs. $1k goes a lot further on server farms than on food. +Mar 18 15:59:29 <tampakrap> yes, as I said an idea is to co-host it with a big local event, so the costs and the organizing will be easier and split with some locals +Mar 18 15:59:35 <rich0> However, I'm certainly willing to consider any proposal. +Mar 18 15:59:57 <rich0> Co-hosting with other FOSS-oriented events makes sense. +Mar 18 16:00:04 <robbat2> for economy of scale yes +Mar 18 16:00:32 <rich0> Also for outreach, cross-polination, etc. If I just want to make a bunch of Gentoo devs aware of something I can post on the list. +Mar 18 16:00:42 * differentreality (~Stella@gentoo-el.org) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Mar 18 16:01:04 <tampakrap> not yet, I need to have something in my hands before throwing a full proposal +Mar 18 16:01:10 <tampakrap> or announcing it to anyone +Mar 18 16:01:53 <robbat2> also consider timing to not conflict with other conferences elsewhere +Mar 18 16:01:54 <rich0> Understood (though note that this whole irc log is going on the website.) :) +Mar 18 16:02:11 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, why would Foundation funding make a difference to this conference and what will Gentoo the distro, get out of the investment ? +Mar 18 16:02:38 <tampakrap> workshops, people hacking together, talks, partys +Mar 18 16:02:38 <rich0> I think we just need to be careful - the foundation hasn't paid for so much as a soda in the past, so we probably will end up being conservative here. +Mar 18 16:02:50 <tampakrap> and it would be good to fund the tickets of the US people mostly +Mar 18 16:03:20 * Arfrever (~Arfrever@apache/committer/Arfrever) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Mar 18 16:03:21 <robbat2> 200 * $1200 is out of our budget +Mar 18 16:03:24 <robbat2> by a long way +Mar 18 16:03:26 <tampakrap> and btw, I will be in the organizing comitee of the opensuse conf (since I'm working in SUSE) and will get more experience as well +Mar 18 16:03:31 <tampakrap> and connections +Mar 18 16:03:37 <rich0> Uh, take a look at: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/devmap.xml +Mar 18 16:03:40 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, thats not answering the question. Why would US people go to the conference and not to a US one ? +Mar 18 16:04:16 <tampakrap> I'm talking about an official gentoo conference, not a random conf with gentoo presence +Mar 18 16:04:37 <dabbott> for that kind of money I would rather support hardware | bandwidth +Mar 18 16:04:38 <robbat2> rephrasing the question: why not hold an US Gentoo conf, and an EU Gentoo conf? +Mar 18 16:05:18 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, the foundation annual income varies between $5k and $10k ... consider the cost of your proposal in relation to that +Mar 18 16:05:26 <tampakrap> well, that's not something I can answer, I live in Prague like the city, is close to germany (where many gentoo devs are) and is a good place for such an event +Mar 18 16:05:37 <tampakrap> that's good to know +Mar 18 16:06:09 <rich0> Yup - I think we need to be very targeted in how we spend. +Mar 18 16:06:41 <rich0> And legally we can't do something like ask every US dev to kick in $1k so that we can pay for a $1k ticket for them. That definitely would raise IRS eyebrows. +Mar 18 16:06:43 <tampakrap> imho, paying an ammount for the US people's tickets would make sense, nothing more +Mar 18 16:07:07 <rich0> Paying for 2 US developers to attend would be 20% of our annual budget. +Mar 18 16:07:50 <rich0> Gentoo is a pretty nationally-diverse distro, which is a strength, but it makes it hard to get everybody in one room. +Mar 18 16:08:06 <tampakrap> same for every large foss project I believe +Mar 18 16:08:08 <rich0> Even getting East-coast and West-coast US developers together is very difficult. +Mar 18 16:08:45 <dabbott> paying for a booth, t-shirts, stickers, dvds, even a room for the dev's manning the booth, thats more my speed +Mar 18 16:08:51 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats the same here and the coasts are only 50 miles apart :) +Mar 18 16:08:51 <rich0> I can't imagine too many pay for substantial numbers of developers to travel internationally, unless they're nearly employees in terms of time commitment and they have much stronger funding. +Mar 18 16:09:10 <rich0> dabbott, ++ +Mar 18 16:09:34 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ++ +Mar 18 16:09:46 <rich0> It is a wonderful idea and I'd love to see it happen, but a lot needs to change to make this more than targetted spending on a few specific items. +Mar 18 16:11:00 <rich0> In any case, tampakrap, please do think about what can be done and feel free to send us either informal emails or proposals as makes sense. +Mar 18 16:11:16 <tampakrap> anyway, me and |miska| will talk to the locals that will organize the czech event next year, and I'll have some proposal in 40 days approx +Mar 18 16:11:40 <tampakrap> I will just need the foundation's support in that, else I don't see a point in doing it +Mar 18 16:11:44 <rich0> Just keep in mind that we're not likely to spend more than $1-2k, and it would have to be really high impact to justify the high end of that (impact in terms of furthering the distro). +Mar 18 16:12:39 <tampakrap> sure, thanks for the info, it is valuable +Mar 18 16:12:51 <rich0> No problem at all, and good luck with it regardless! +Mar 18 16:13:02 <tampakrap> good luck to us all :D +Mar 18 16:13:14 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, we have a banner in Europe somewhere and maybe a stand too +Mar 18 16:13:28 <rich0> Ok, anything else from open floor? And tampakrap, thanks for breaking our usual silence. :) +Mar 18 16:13:49 <tampakrap> :D +Mar 18 16:14:09 <robbat2> minor update on infra bits from me +Mar 18 16:14:23 <rich0> ^^ go ahead +Mar 18 16:14:34 <robbat2> the new Dells are mostly ready, antarus is just having a minor fight with Dell to buy the missing raid cards for the VM hosting instances +Mar 18 16:17:08 <robbat2> </fin> +Mar 18 16:17:25 <rich0> Ok, anything else? +Mar 18 16:17:29 <dabbott> I have a dvd duplicator I want to donate to the foundation, it works fine, it will produce 5 4GB LiveDVD's in about 15 min. +Mar 18 16:17:42 <robbat2> ooh, yes please for the conferences +Mar 18 16:17:59 <rich0> dabbott, would it make sense for you to just hold onto it? +Mar 18 16:18:14 <rich0> Assuming you have the time to run off the odd batch given sufficient notice? +Mar 18 16:18:20 <dabbott> yes just so you know I can ship when needed +Mar 18 16:18:28 <robbat2> and/or until we know where the next conference is +Mar 18 16:18:40 <rich0> might not hurt to create some kind of foundation assets page to keep track of that sort of thing. +Mar 18 16:18:42 <dabbott> either or is fine +Mar 18 16:18:56 <rich0> Up to you whether you want to actually donate it, or offer to run off disks on it as your own property. +Mar 18 16:19:22 <dabbott> I want to donate it now and can do disks whenever +Mar 18 16:19:39 <rich0> shipping might make sense, although we should consider how many disks we can just print for the cost of shipping it in a manner unlikely to break it. +Mar 18 16:19:51 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, if you donate it, the foundation would fund spare parts for maintainence. +Mar 18 16:20:01 <robbat2> we'd fund the blanks anyway +Mar 18 16:20:31 <NeddySeagoon> you can ship an alful lot of DVDs for the price of shipping a duplicator +Mar 18 16:20:39 <dabbott> true +Mar 18 16:20:55 <rich0> dabbott, thanks for your offer - let's figure out what makes the most sense and go with it. The duplicator has to occupy space somewhere so no reason it can't be your home. +Mar 18 16:21:19 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Ill ask dabbott to write and thank you for your generous donation :) +Mar 18 16:21:33 <dabbott> heh +Mar 18 16:21:54 <rich0> Anything else? Looks like open floor is the new new business. :) +Mar 18 16:22:19 <NeddySeagoon> I don't have anything +Mar 18 16:22:51 <rich0> Ok, then let's go ahead and break. Motion to adjourn. +Mar 18 16:23:01 <NeddySeagoon> seconded +Mar 18 16:23:22 * rich0 bangs gavel... diff --git a/2012/20120415_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120415_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..24da80b --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120415_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,435 @@ +Apr 15 15:00:10 <NeddySeagoon> rool Call +Apr 15 15:00:12 <dabbott> that close by me +Apr 15 15:00:16 <NeddySeagoon> Roll* +Apr 15 15:00:19 <dabbott> that is +Apr 15 15:00:24 * quantumsummers|c is present +Apr 15 15:00:31 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: I thought it might be +Apr 15 15:00:33 <dabbott> also here +Apr 15 15:00:35 <quantumsummers|c> nice area +Apr 15 15:00:41 <NeddySeagoon> I'm loggig but can't post the log :( don't ask +Apr 15 15:00:51 <dabbott> i can +Apr 15 15:00:59 <robbat2> hi +Apr 15 15:01:00 <dabbott> untill i bust this box +Apr 15 15:01:06 <robbat2> present +Apr 15 15:01:15 <quantumsummers|c> hi robbat2 +Apr 15 15:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> thanks dabbott +Apr 15 15:01:25 <quantumsummers|c> where's mah steak +Apr 15 15:01:31 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, ? +Apr 15 15:01:47 <rich0> here +Apr 15 15:01:53 <rich0> Sorry, alt-tabbed :) +Apr 15 15:01:56 <NeddySeagoon> OK, we have a quorum - no need to wait +Apr 15 15:02:16 <NeddySeagoon> Funding Request for Fosscomm 2012 +Apr 15 15:02:48 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see us funding much more than decorations for a stand and DVDs +Apr 15 15:03:17 <NeddySeagoon> that would include T-Shirts for those manning the stand +Apr 15 15:03:24 <rich0> Tend to agree. Anything beyond that would have to be special circumstances +Apr 15 15:03:35 <quantumsummers|c> do we have a budget amount in mind? +Apr 15 15:03:48 <quantumsummers|c> something like $500 or similar +Apr 15 15:03:53 <dabbott> they just want DVD's, stickers and flyers +Apr 15 15:04:19 <quantumsummers|c> ah $350 +Apr 15 15:04:19 <dabbott> Fosscomm 2012 - 200 dvds - 300 stickers - 300 flyers +Apr 15 15:04:29 <robbat2> the amounts in the their table add to 220EUR, and they asked for 270EUR budget +Apr 15 15:04:31 <quantumsummers|c> comment 2 has a figure +Apr 15 15:04:36 <quantumsummers|c> in USD +Apr 15 15:04:59 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that works - its easiest if the stuff is procured locally. Then we avoid customs and international shipping hassels +Apr 15 15:05:18 <quantumsummers|c> they should be able to handle that, I would think +Apr 15 15:05:22 <quantumsummers|c> is tampakrap around? +Apr 15 15:05:27 <dabbott> thats the plan comment 3 +Apr 15 15:05:27 <tampakrap> yep +Apr 15 15:05:35 <quantumsummers|c> seems reasonable +Apr 15 15:05:44 <tampakrap> give me a min to read backlog +Apr 15 15:05:52 <quantumsummers|c> I think we should make one of them write a PR article or two for us :) +Apr 15 15:06:02 <dabbott> ++ +Apr 15 15:06:04 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, seems fair +Apr 15 15:06:10 <quantumsummers|c> just so we get some exposure, etc +Apr 15 15:06:17 <dabbott> and pictures +Apr 15 15:06:29 <quantumsummers|c> two (a before and an after) +Apr 15 15:06:34 <quantumsummers|c> with images +Apr 15 15:06:45 <quantumsummers|c> for to promote the glory of ze gentoo +Apr 15 15:06:47 <quantumsummers|c> :D +Apr 15 15:06:56 <tampakrap> yes don't worry about that +Apr 15 15:07:01 <quantumsummers|c> any questions for Theo et. at.? +Apr 15 15:07:09 <quantumsummers|c> tampakrap: I always worry +Apr 15 15:07:16 <quantumsummers|c> about everything these days +Apr 15 15:07:29 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need to approve the 270 euro budge here and now ? +Apr 15 15:07:30 <tampakrap> sorry, parents on the phone... +Apr 15 15:07:38 <robbat2> motion: approve budget of 270EUR (~$350USD) for Fosscom? +Apr 15 15:07:40 <tampakrap> so, we asked for 270 euros right? +Apr 15 15:07:46 <NeddySeagoon> seconded +Apr 15 15:07:47 <dabbott> seconded +Apr 15 15:07:52 <quantumsummers|c> Vote! +Apr 15 15:07:52 <rich0> aye +Apr 15 15:07:54 <quantumsummers|c> aye +Apr 15 15:07:55 <robbat2> aye +Apr 15 15:07:56 <NeddySeagoon> vote please +Apr 15 15:07:56 <dabbott> yes +Apr 15 15:08:01 <NeddySeagoon> yes +Apr 15 15:08:05 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Apr 15 15:08:10 <tampakrap> thank you :) +Apr 15 15:08:17 <dabbott> yw +Apr 15 15:08:27 <dabbott> have fun :) +Apr 15 15:08:28 <tampakrap> about PR, no worries we're going to have plenty of pics and blog posts for that (as every year) +Apr 15 15:08:32 <quantumsummers|c> So, to summarize, we need two (2) PR news items, one for before and one for after. +Apr 15 15:08:44 <quantumsummers|c> ok then +Apr 15 15:08:55 <dabbott> tampakrap, I can post them +Apr 15 15:08:57 <NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, you have 270 euros approved - if you go over that the excess needs to be approved before you spend it. We will need receipts too +Apr 15 15:08:58 <quantumsummers|c> have a good ole time tampakrap, sounds like a great event +Apr 15 15:09:24 <quantumsummers|c> tampakrap: just post scans of your receipts to that bug +Apr 15 15:09:35 <quantumsummers|c> we can use it to track the reimbursements, etc +Apr 15 15:09:38 <tampakrap> we'll pass an article to dabbott then +Apr 15 15:09:44 <quantumsummers|c> 2! +Apr 15 15:09:47 <tampakrap> ack about receipts +Apr 15 15:09:48 <NeddySeagoon> that works +Apr 15 15:09:48 <quantumsummers|c> :D +Apr 15 15:09:51 <quantumsummers|c> ok +Apr 15 15:09:59 <tampakrap> (one for before I meant :) ) +Apr 15 15:10:06 <quantumsummers|c> alright alright. +Apr 15 15:10:16 <NeddySeagoon> any more for Fosscomm 2012 ? +Apr 15 15:10:19 <tampakrap> thanks a lot, it's going to be fun (esp for me after 4 months away of GR :) ) +Apr 15 15:10:44 <NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Logo Usage Policy +Apr 15 15:11:25 <NeddySeagoon> I'm out of date on this and haven't had time to do my homework +Apr 15 15:11:35 <quantumsummers|c> same here. apologies +Apr 15 15:11:45 <dabbott> we need to come up with a diff from our current policy and what we want it to be +Apr 15 15:11:51 <robbat2> i think the only pending bug is bug 369185 +Apr 15 15:11:53 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo's licensing under CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 should mentioned at Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; IN_P; sping:trustees +Apr 15 15:12:29 <rich0> I think we were basically contemplating a re-write. +Apr 15 15:12:37 * jospoortvliet (~superston@opensuse/member/jospoortvliet) has joined #gentoo-trustees +Apr 15 15:12:48 <dabbott> rich0, ok +Apr 15 15:12:55 <rich0> Just hasn't happened yet... +Apr 15 15:12:59 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yep I agree. We could make things easier for the Foundation by simplyfying our policy - so we don't have to do everything on a case by case basis +Apr 15 15:13:30 <robbat2> we couldn't come to an agreement amongst ourselves before +Apr 15 15:13:37 <NeddySeagoon> Should be ahve a (new) separate community make ? +Apr 15 15:13:43 <NeddySeagoon> mark? +Apr 15 15:13:59 <robbat2> about the mark protection vs ease of use +Apr 15 15:14:53 <NeddySeagoon> Lets leave it open another month - if there is still no consensus, or progress,we can close the issue and stay with the status quo +Apr 15 15:15:04 <dabbott> I would lean more to ease of use than protection +Apr 15 15:15:28 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you have the floor SFLC Update +Apr 15 15:15:37 <robbat2> ok, next month for logos +Apr 15 15:16:02 <quantumsummers|c> should we ask the sflc to assist with logo licensing? +Apr 15 15:16:08 <quantumsummers|c> I can do that, no prob +Apr 15 15:16:28 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, not before we agree the sort of thing we want to do +Apr 15 15:16:40 <quantumsummers|c> ok. +Apr 15 15:17:41 <quantumsummers|c> as far as an update, I have re-established contact with a new attorney there name Aaron Williamson. +Apr 15 15:17:53 <quantumsummers|c> lets see +Apr 15 15:18:10 <quantumsummers|c> so the gentoo iranian irc channel ended up being no big deal +Apr 15 15:18:39 <quantumsummers|c> we had a long discussion about gentoo in general +Apr 15 15:18:45 <NeddySeagoon> it can get listed on our IRC channels list then ? +Apr 15 15:18:51 <quantumsummers|c> yes +Apr 15 15:19:14 <robbat2> it was added already i thought +Apr 15 15:19:18 <quantumsummers|c> I thinkso +Apr 15 15:19:21 <NeddySeagoon> even better +Apr 15 15:19:24 <quantumsummers|c> this is not terribly new stuff +Apr 15 15:19:28 <quantumsummers|c> key points of discussion: 1) 501c3 v 501c6 v public benefit c-corp +Apr 15 15:19:34 <quantumsummers|c> ^^ really interesting stuff here +Apr 15 15:20:14 <dabbott> proceed :) +Apr 15 15:20:15 <quantumsummers|c> Given that the IRS is treating floss groups with some predudice now, its good to know we have alternative options +Apr 15 15:20:47 <quantumsummers|c> I think we all need to have a frank discussion about what the direction of the Foundation should be +Apr 15 15:20:49 <NeddySeagoon> does that mean doing all the paperwork again ? +Apr 15 15:20:52 <quantumsummers|c> no +Apr 15 15:21:14 <NeddySeagoon> lets go with what the SFLC suggest then +Apr 15 15:22:01 <quantumsummers|c> Aaron has not made a strong suggestion +Apr 15 15:22:11 <quantumsummers|c> mainly, asked me to convey the options +Apr 15 15:22:22 <quantumsummers|c> so that we could make a better informed decision +Apr 15 15:22:28 <quantumsummers|c> here is the trouble ... +Apr 15 15:22:34 <NeddySeagoon> It seems the IRS doesn't like us applying for 501c3 +Apr 15 15:22:51 <quantumsummers|c> it has nothing to do with us, necessarily +Apr 15 15:23:03 <quantumsummers|c> its the entire floss community that is having trouble +Apr 15 15:23:06 <NeddySeagoon> ok, groups like us +Apr 15 15:23:20 <quantumsummers|c> the IRS has not developed standard policy for dealing with floss groups +Apr 15 15:23:23 <quantumsummers|c> it seems +Apr 15 15:23:41 <quantumsummers|c> however, there are some hints that they are close to an internal policy +Apr 15 15:24:03 <NeddySeagoon> if we continue with 501c3 and its rejected, can we try 501c6 later ? +Apr 15 15:24:05 <quantumsummers|c> but, those hints are not good for Gentoo unless we drastically restructure our application +Apr 15 15:24:15 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: yes, I think so +Apr 15 15:24:21 <quantumsummers|c> but times a wasting +Apr 15 15:24:57 <quantumsummers|c> mainly, since Gentoo is not an educational, scientific or charitable institution we could have some difficulty +Apr 15 15:25:17 <quantumsummers|c> the c6 is a good option, look at the linux foundation +Apr 15 15:25:20 <NeddySeagoon> yep - provided we can reapply for another catagory later, we may as well go with 501c3 as we are about ready +Apr 15 15:25:49 <quantumsummers|c> the thing with c6 is that its geared towards corporations and not necessarily individuals +Apr 15 15:25:55 <NeddySeagoon> We claim educational in our charter +Apr 15 15:25:59 <quantumsummers|c> this is true +Apr 15 15:26:09 <quantumsummers|c> which is what formed the basis of much of the narrative +Apr 15 15:26:59 <quantumsummers|c> the fact that some businesses use gentoo to gain competitive advantage is the tricky bit (according to Williamson) +Apr 15 15:27:08 <quantumsummers|c> i.e. nasdaq, google, etc +Apr 15 15:27:09 <NeddySeagoon> and gentoo devs (the majority of our members) are mostly students working on their uni education +Apr 15 15:28:27 <quantumsummers|c> now, I have other opinions of the state of things from our CPAs, but they are not as in tune with the floss + irs relationship +Apr 15 15:28:36 <quantumsummers|c> our CPAs think we have no trouble +Apr 15 15:28:41 <robbat2> i don't agree that most devs are students anymore +Apr 15 15:28:42 <NeddySeagoon> what gentoo is used for and how we support education through Gentoo is not really connected - Gentoo is free +Apr 15 15:28:44 <quantumsummers|c> we will have ** +Apr 15 15:28:51 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: I agree +Apr 15 15:29:18 <robbat2> 10 years ago, yes, most devs were students, but the stable core has aged since then +Apr 15 15:29:23 <quantumsummers|c> this brings me to the last bit on point 1, the so-called public benefit corp +Apr 15 15:29:30 <quantumsummers|c> robbat2: this is true +Apr 15 15:29:53 <quantumsummers|c> the public benefit corp has many good point. Its new to the US +Apr 15 15:30:12 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, interesting +Apr 15 15:30:20 <quantumsummers|c> so, its not well documented and not too many states have a legal framework for it yet +Apr 15 15:30:22 <dabbott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_corporation +Apr 15 15:30:50 <quantumsummers|c> note that sflc is based in NY +Apr 15 15:31:34 <NeddySeagoon> they must publicly report on their social and environmental performances using established third-party standards. ... sounds onourous +Apr 15 15:31:49 <quantumsummers|c> heh no more that 501c3 +Apr 15 15:32:06 <quantumsummers|c> and much of the reporting is not mandatory (depends on the state) +Apr 15 15:32:21 <quantumsummers|c> http://www.benefitcorp.net/ +Apr 15 15:32:58 <NeddySeagoon> I'll read up off line +Apr 15 15:33:05 <quantumsummers|c> http://www.bcorporation.net/ is also good +Apr 15 15:33:10 <NeddySeagoon> any more for the SFLC ? +Apr 15 15:33:19 <quantumsummers|c> lets talk about this, I think it's worth discussing +Apr 15 15:33:34 <quantumsummers|c> via mail +Apr 15 15:34:12 <NeddySeagoon> bookmarked +Apr 15 15:34:27 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, agreed - move to the list +Apr 15 15:35:28 <quantumsummers|c> ok, they are willing to assist with any other consideration we may have +Apr 15 15:35:43 <NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers +Apr 15 15:35:46 <NeddySeagoon> Update Financial Reports +Apr 15 15:35:53 <quantumsummers|c> sflc made a strong arguement that b-corp could beneft floss more than 501c3 +Apr 15 15:36:06 <quantumsummers|c> anyway, that is it from them that needs to be covered here +Apr 15 15:36:07 <NeddySeagoon> Is this a case of Just do it, or is there more to it tan that ? +Apr 15 15:36:21 <quantumsummers|c> just do ti +Apr 15 15:36:23 <quantumsummers|c> *it +Apr 15 15:36:34 <NeddySeagoon> any volunteers ? +Apr 15 15:36:34 <quantumsummers|c> I have the data, finding the time is the hard part right now +Apr 15 15:36:42 <quantumsummers|c> give the little one +Apr 15 15:36:44 <rich0> Just do what? +Apr 15 15:36:51 <quantumsummers|c> update the reports on +Apr 15 15:36:54 <rich0> b-corp, or reports? +Apr 15 15:36:58 <quantumsummers|c> reports +Apr 15 15:37:06 <quantumsummers|c> b-corp is not a light decision +Apr 15 15:37:10 <rich0> agreed +Apr 15 15:37:13 <rich0> hence my question +Apr 15 15:37:14 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that won't get any easier. What happened to the guy we we trying to recrit ? +Apr 15 15:37:29 <quantumsummers|c> have not heard anything from him in awhile +Apr 15 15:37:35 <quantumsummers|c> like several months +Apr 15 15:37:45 <NeddySeagoon> Is it with him or us ? +Apr 15 15:37:59 <quantumsummers|c> probably me +Apr 15 15:38:01 <quantumsummers|c> not sure +Apr 15 15:38:22 <dabbott> he did not come to any meetings +Apr 15 15:38:46 <NeddySeagoon> We need to follow up and get him on board, if he is still interested. quantumsummers you have too many officer roles just now +Apr 15 15:38:59 <quantumsummers|c> I agree +Apr 15 15:39:20 <quantumsummers|c> I think the Secretary bit should be the main one to offload +Apr 15 15:39:31 <quantumsummers|c> any takers? +Apr 15 15:39:34 <quantumsummers|c> :) +Apr 15 15:39:38 <NeddySeagoon> Thats your choice +Apr 15 15:39:50 <dabbott> Max was more interested in helping with finance +Apr 15 15:40:00 <NeddySeagoon> I would really like a non trustee to fill the role +Apr 15 15:40:26 <NeddySeagoon> role -> office +Apr 15 15:40:26 <quantumsummers|c> We need to have someone that has been around awhile with Gentoo +Apr 15 15:40:33 <dabbott> Lets try the add again we got quantumsummers :) +Apr 15 15:40:44 <NeddySeagoon> Having trustees as officers is a weakness +Apr 15 15:40:45 <dabbott> ad +Apr 15 15:41:11 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok - are you offering to update it ? +Apr 15 15:41:17 <dabbott> sure +Apr 15 15:41:39 <quantumsummers|c> This officer role is an important one that requires a great deal of trust. +Apr 15 15:41:58 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks - I've lost all my pass phrases. Meanwhile nothing works :( +Apr 15 15:42:16 <quantumsummers|c> Given the responsibilities, mainly regarding being a signatory, we need to take care in giving that authority out +Apr 15 15:42:30 <quantumsummers|c> since it could be misused, potentially +Apr 15 15:42:32 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I agree. +Apr 15 15:43:22 <rich0> Probably best to recruit help, and then build trust over time. +Apr 15 15:43:32 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can anyone help with Financial Reports or is it a question of posting things that already exist ? +Apr 15 15:43:45 <rich0> Ie, have them help with reports/etc, and give signing rights later once established. +Apr 15 15:43:58 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: this is a solid idea +Apr 15 15:44:07 <quantumsummers|c> bring them in as assistant to the officer +Apr 15 15:44:18 <quantumsummers|c> or trustee acting as officer +Apr 15 15:44:32 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, it will take 3 months to get them up to speed easily. If they are still around, they are interested +Apr 15 15:44:49 <rich0> Exactly +Apr 15 15:44:56 <dabbott> quantumsummers, why don't you take the title of Treasure and I or rich0 can assume the role of Secretary for now +Apr 15 15:45:09 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that works - the key thing is to avoid you being a singkle poit of failure +Apr 15 15:45:25 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott, NeddySeagoon: that works for me, please do +Apr 15 15:45:42 <rich0> sounds good +Apr 15 15:45:47 <quantumsummers|c> who takes the job? +Apr 15 15:45:49 <rich0> Treasurer benefits more from continuity +Apr 15 15:45:58 <rich0> dabbott, if you want it all yours +Apr 15 15:46:08 <rich0> But, I don't mind pitching in in any case +Apr 15 15:46:27 <quantumsummers|c> whomever, I have the django app and database that contains the members and makes the xml members page +Apr 15 15:46:50 <dabbott> I can do it while we look for a good replacement, thanks rich0 +Apr 15 15:47:02 <quantumsummers|c> robbat2: I suppose we should put that somewhere besides my business infra +Apr 15 15:47:08 <quantumsummers|c> the db is sqlite +Apr 15 15:47:09 <robbat2> yes +Apr 15 15:47:17 <robbat2> i can do whatever DB +Apr 15 15:47:22 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, is that you appointed Secretary and you will attempt to recruit an assistant ? +Apr 15 15:47:30 <robbat2> (as an aside, i've learnt a crapload of Django in the last 2 months) +Apr 15 15:47:30 <quantumsummers|c> I have been keeping the entire thing in git +Apr 15 15:47:36 <dabbott> sure +Apr 15 15:47:38 <quantumsummers|c> robbat2: I know :) +Apr 15 15:48:10 <dabbott> quantumsummers, let me know my responsibilities +Apr 15 15:48:24 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: ok, I'll mail you +Apr 15 15:48:31 <dabbott> send me an email, i am old +Apr 15 15:48:31 <quantumsummers|c> its fairly straight forward +Apr 15 15:48:44 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, its for you to pass the office over to dabbott. Do we have to update any filings ? +Apr 15 15:49:02 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: we will update this fall +Apr 15 15:49:09 <quantumsummers|c> he is already listed as a director +Apr 15 15:49:13 <NeddySeagoon> ok, that works. +Apr 15 15:49:19 <quantumsummers|c> so really, its just adding secretary to that +Apr 15 15:49:21 <rich0> dabbott, consider documenting those responsibilities in a web page while they're all written out anyway +Apr 15 15:49:26 <robbat2> +1 +Apr 15 15:49:36 <dabbott> ++ +Apr 15 15:49:39 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, welcome to the office of Secretary. Consider your salary doubled +Apr 15 15:49:48 <NeddySeagoon> :) +Apr 15 15:49:52 * quantumsummers|c makes note of salary doubling +Apr 15 15:49:53 <dabbott> thanks +Apr 15 15:50:08 <quantumsummers|c> I shall halve my salary +Apr 15 15:50:15 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Apr 15 15:50:50 <rich0> And I'll be noble and take the Steve Jobs $1 salary. :) +Apr 15 15:50:50 <NeddySeagoon> Moving on ... +Apr 15 15:50:55 <quantumsummers|c> now, teh 2011 report, that is somewhere already +Apr 15 15:51:01 <quantumsummers|c> not xml-ified +Apr 15 15:51:14 <quantumsummers|c> a pdf maybe or plain text +Apr 15 15:51:31 <quantumsummers|c> anyway, I will work on this next week,. I'll carve out some time +Apr 15 15:51:33 <rich0> I see no harm in posting plain text reports on the website. +Apr 15 15:51:38 <quantumsummers|c> ugly +Apr 15 15:51:39 <NeddySeagoon> Its someones webspace IIRC +Apr 15 15:51:40 <rich0> Sure, xml is nicer, but better to document something +Apr 15 15:52:08 <NeddySeagoon> Moving on ... +Apr 15 15:52:09 <NeddySeagoon> Its someones webspace IIRC +Apr 15 15:52:14 <dabbott> i can do the xml +Apr 15 15:52:15 <NeddySeagoon> Financial | Legal Status +Apr 15 15:52:26 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thank you +Apr 15 15:52:31 <quantumsummers|c> ok, CPA stuff +Apr 15 15:52:46 <quantumsummers|c> first, rich0, the tax filings are due on Nov 15th +Apr 15 15:52:58 <quantumsummers|c> this is due to our end of fiscal year in June +Apr 15 15:53:41 <rich0> Did we file the final return for this year? +Apr 15 15:53:47 <quantumsummers|c> for 2010 the CPA filed some provisional document that will likely need to be amended. However we have not heard anything from the irs about this +Apr 15 15:53:54 <quantumsummers|c> this is a good thing +Apr 15 15:54:10 <NeddySeagoon> do we only amend if the IRS ask ? +Apr 15 15:54:14 <quantumsummers|c> no +Apr 15 15:54:34 <NeddySeagoon> I don't want the IRS waiting for me at immigration :) +Apr 15 15:54:38 <quantumsummers|c> we will amend when we submit an amendment for all the previous years +Apr 15 15:54:41 <quantumsummers|c> heh +Apr 15 15:54:44 <quantumsummers|c> you are fine +Apr 15 15:54:51 <quantumsummers|c> its an interesting approach +Apr 15 15:54:51 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Apr 15 15:55:03 <rich0> The reason I put April on the chart was that we had filed for an extension I think, so I just bumped the date rather than calling it done. However, if we are calling it done I can update the tracker accordingly. +Apr 15 15:55:29 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: I see. I think I did not talk about the filing when it went in or something +Apr 15 15:55:39 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, it soulds like its done - the amendment is another task +Apr 15 15:55:46 <rich0> Ok, I'll update the tracker +Apr 15 15:55:53 <quantumsummers|c> last few months have been bad for me keeping everything together +Apr 15 15:55:55 <quantumsummers|c> sorry for that +Apr 15 15:56:08 <quantumsummers|c> so, ... +Apr 15 15:56:21 <NeddySeagoon> have we had a bill from the CPA yet ? +Apr 15 15:56:31 <quantumsummers|c> The week after next I get back working with the CPA again on things +Apr 15 15:56:57 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: I do not believe we have received anything yet, which is not surprising +Apr 15 15:57:05 <quantumsummers|c> invoice-wise +Apr 15 15:57:19 <quantumsummers|c> we are well below our estimated budget, that I certain +Apr 15 15:57:23 <quantumsummers|c> *is +Apr 15 15:57:23 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if you are not surprided, I'll not worry about it +Apr 15 15:57:37 <quantumsummers|c> I have been using them for 7 years now. +Apr 15 15:57:44 <quantumsummers|c> they invoice upon completion +Apr 15 15:57:54 <quantumsummers|c> they are not finished with their scope +Apr 15 15:57:54 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, as long as they are not billing your +Apr 15 15:58:03 <NeddySeagoon> your - > you +Apr 15 15:58:05 <quantumsummers|c> heh, I would notice that I hope +Apr 15 15:58:21 <quantumsummers|c> maybe that was why last year was so high ;) +Apr 15 15:58:32 <NeddySeagoon> hehe. +Apr 15 15:58:32 <quantumsummers|c> I kid\ +Apr 15 15:58:44 <quantumsummers|c> I think we are on track with the financial +Apr 15 15:58:52 <NeddySeagoon> any more on the CPA ? +Apr 15 15:59:03 <quantumsummers|c> I will get some data together next week and get things updated on the web soon +Apr 15 15:59:06 <quantumsummers|c> nothing mroe +Apr 15 15:59:07 <quantumsummers|c> *more +Apr 15 15:59:31 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, you have the floor for Foundation Activity Tracker Update +Apr 15 15:59:47 <rich0> Ok, I'll capture the tax date change. +Apr 15 15:59:55 <rich0> No other changes other than needing to resort it. +Apr 15 16:00:05 <rich0> I'm noting that next month we need to kick off the election process +Apr 15 16:00:21 <quantumsummers|c> yep, who is up? +Apr 15 16:00:31 <NeddySeagoon> yep Me +Apr 15 16:00:39 <quantumsummers|c> who else? +Apr 15 16:01:09 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: will you run again? +Apr 15 16:01:10 <NeddySeagoon> I'll need to look back at the election results +Apr 15 16:01:14 <rich0> We have time to discuss planning more next month. However, we need to announce the June recording date by the end of May to be ready for August +Apr 15 16:01:26 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: very good +Apr 15 16:02:05 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, probably - I'm finding it hard to find Gentoo time just now because work is silly but that should calm down later in the year. +Apr 15 16:02:25 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: good to hear. I endorse you. +Apr 15 16:02:40 <NeddySeagoon> The recording date will be our meeting of 17 June +Apr 15 16:02:55 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thank you +Apr 15 16:03:06 <quantumsummers|c> that should give dabbott and I plenty of time to adjust/share/whatever the membership app +Apr 15 16:03:14 <quantumsummers|c> and robbat2 too +Apr 15 16:03:20 <quantumsummers|c> its not fancy or complicated +Apr 15 16:03:25 <quantumsummers|c> in fact its quite trivial +Apr 15 16:03:39 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: you are most welcome +Apr 15 16:03:45 <NeddySeagoon> the annouce can go out after our 20 May meeting +Apr 15 16:04:29 <NeddySeagoon> Its the council election in June too +Apr 15 16:04:39 <dabbott> I think I am up here are the results from 2010 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/elections/trustees/2010/foundation-2010.xml +Apr 15 16:05:32 <dabbott> I could step aside and be the secretary and let someone else get involved +Apr 15 16:05:46 * diffreal has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) +Apr 15 16:06:14 <robbat2> i think i'm not going to run again as a trustee, but i'm not entirely decided yet. +Apr 15 16:06:46 <dabbott> its nice to have someone from infra involved +Apr 15 16:06:58 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, lets see what interest we get from the membership +Apr 15 16:07:01 <quantumsummers|c> neither of you can leave! +Apr 15 16:07:20 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, it makes life easier with an infra guy on the team +Apr 15 16:07:20 <rich0> I'd definitely at least see what the field of nominees looks like, unless you really want a break +Apr 15 16:07:40 <rich0> Don't asssume that there is this huge pool of strong candidates out there. In some past years we've had trouble fielding 3, let alone 5 +Apr 15 16:07:44 <dabbott> not a big deal just a thought +Apr 15 16:08:00 <NeddySeagoon> maybe we should have an infra officer ? +Apr 15 16:08:06 <dabbott> yes +Apr 15 16:08:14 <robbat2> i joined with the objective of more transparency in the foundation, and that has been achieved. i don't need a voter mandate to solve problems +Apr 15 16:09:28 <NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 4 Bugs +Apr 15 16:10:11 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need to go throgh the bugs list ? +Apr 15 16:10:34 <dabbott> nothing new +Apr 15 16:10:37 <quantumsummers|c> I have added 351045 to my list for sflc +Apr 15 16:10:38 <robbat2> can we close 373241? +Apr 15 16:10:46 <robbat2> *bug 373241 +Apr 15 16:10:49 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/373241 "Fund the building of 3 MIPS build systems"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; mattst88:trustees +Apr 15 16:11:16 <quantumsummers|c> these systems are up and running, producing stages? +Apr 15 16:11:27 <quantumsummers|c> I do not follow mips +Apr 15 16:11:31 <robbat2> i don't either +Apr 15 16:11:33 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, are the boxes complete and the monies paid/received ? +Apr 15 16:11:43 <quantumsummers|c> I reimbursed Matt +Apr 15 16:12:00 <robbat2> i left a comment to ask matt +Apr 15 16:12:07 <NeddySeagoon> thats a yes - then +Apr 15 16:12:08 <robbat2> no other bug work needed +Apr 15 16:12:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sonunds good +Apr 15 16:12:31 <robbat2> i want to see that the boxes are actually in use +Apr 15 16:12:39 <NeddySeagoon> New Business LinuxExpo Funding +Apr 15 16:13:05 <quantumsummers|c> that was the thing with Theo right? +Apr 15 16:13:08 <quantumsummers|c> agreed, robbat2 would you want that sicortex machine? +Apr 15 16:13:16 <quantumsummers|c> :D +Apr 15 16:13:17 <quantumsummers|c> its huge +Apr 15 16:13:36 <robbat2> not really +Apr 15 16:13:49 <quantumsummers|c> ah, not as big as I thought +Apr 15 16:14:17 <robbat2> maybe in future, not rightn ow +Apr 15 16:14:30 <robbat2> can we wrap up soon, i have a different meeting in 15 mins +Apr 15 16:14:32 <NeddySeagoon> New Business LinuxExpo Funding +Apr 15 16:14:55 <dabbott> for LinuxExpo Funding we need a bug opened and some spicif amounts etc +Apr 15 16:14:58 <robbat2> we already nixed travel funding for devs when tampakrap asked last meeting +Apr 15 16:15:06 <dabbott> spacific +Apr 15 16:15:21 <robbat2> *specific +Apr 15 16:15:26 <dabbott> lol +Apr 15 16:15:27 <rich0> Yup, suggest that he write up a proposal per the usual process. Most likely the amount that should be planned on is a few hundred dollars like with most venues. +Apr 15 16:15:31 <dabbott> thank you +Apr 15 16:15:33 <NeddySeagoon> yep. Our budget won't do much more then provide DVDs, and decorate the stand +Apr 15 16:15:38 <quantumsummers|c> tampakrap: see above +Apr 15 16:15:44 <quantumsummers|c> re: linux expo +Apr 15 16:15:51 <tampakrap> i'm watching +Apr 15 16:16:04 <quantumsummers|c> tampakrap: why rotate the g logo? +Apr 15 16:16:09 <quantumsummers|c> that is messed up, yo +Apr 15 16:16:24 <quantumsummers|c> rotate the lizard and see how suzy feels +Apr 15 16:16:26 <tampakrap> it's just an idea, to create a combined logo for the conf +Apr 15 16:16:31 <quantumsummers|c> I see +Apr 15 16:16:34 <robbat2> afk, doorbell +Apr 15 16:16:35 <quantumsummers|c> well good fun +Apr 15 16:16:37 <rich0> Actually, I thought the idea wasn't bad. +Apr 15 16:16:48 * quantumsummers|c quiets down +Apr 15 16:16:48 <rich0> I'd just probably skew it a little, not a full 90 deg +Apr 15 16:17:23 <tampakrap> ok +Apr 15 16:17:41 <tampakrap> well, the important thing here is if the foundation (and the community) actually needs such an event +Apr 15 16:17:57 <tampakrap> I believe it is a good opportunity for us, since the costs will be covered already +Apr 15 16:18:32 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup ... +Apr 15 16:18:37 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 20th May 2012 19:00 UTC +Apr 15 16:18:42 <NeddySeagoon> works for me +Apr 15 16:18:45 <quantumsummers|c> wfm +Apr 15 16:18:49 <dabbott> fine here +Apr 15 16:19:12 <dabbott> I will do the log and the motion +Apr 15 16:19:35 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it looks like you get to post the log and do the motions this month +Apr 15 16:19:44 <NeddySeagoon> and there are no emails +Apr 15 16:19:54 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +Apr 15 16:21:04 <robbat2> tampakrap, i'm in favour of the event, but i can't justify the foundation budget for airfares +Apr 15 16:21:24 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ++ +Apr 15 16:21:52 <tampakrap> ok +Apr 15 16:22:07 <tampakrap> will someone open a bug for the event then? +Apr 15 16:22:07 <robbat2> tampakrap, also, the date isn't listed in the original email at all +Apr 15 16:22:29 <tampakrap> it will be held in mid-october, no final date yet +Apr 15 16:23:51 * NeddySeagoon starts waving the gavel +Apr 15 16:23:54 <dabbott> ok I will send an email to the trustees to help me define the Secretary duties, I have a couple questions +Apr 15 16:24:23 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, look in the bylaws ... +Apr 15 16:24:37 <dabbott> ok +Apr 15 16:24:52 <NeddySeagoon> any more open floor ? +Apr 15 16:25:19 <quantumsummers|c> none from me +Apr 15 16:25:28 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting + diff --git a/2012/20120520_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120520_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..06894c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120520_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,186 @@ +--- Log opened Sun May 20 00:00:40 2012 +20:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the May 2012 meeting of the Gentoo Foundarion Inc. Trustees +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> roll call +20:02 <@dabbott> here +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, will be absent +20:02 <@quantumsummers> here +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - robbat2 can join in later. Lets start +20:03 <@robbat2> yo +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Initiate Trustee Election. +20:04 <@quantumsummers> that doc looks fine to me +20:04 <@quantumsummers> with the dates, etc +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that we adopt the http://goo.gl/wMXeF schedule +20:04 <@quantumsummers> seconded +20:04 -!- warlordfff [~quassel@opensuse/member/warlordfff] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> vote please +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +20:05 <@quantumsummers> Aye +20:05 <@robbat2> aye +20:05 <@dabbott> aye +20:05 <@robbat2> but i'm going to paste here +20:05 <@robbat2> as the link could change +20:05 <@quantumsummers> good +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> carried. +20:05 <@robbat2> Recording Date: 17 June +20:05 <@robbat2> Nominations: 18 June, 00:00:01 => 15 July, 23:59:59, that's four weeks. +20:05 <@robbat2> Voting 20 Jul, 00:00:01 => 16 Aug 23:59:59 that's four weeks too. +20:05 <@robbat2> Results published at the AGM of 19 Aug, with the newly elected trustees tipped off in advance, so that they can attend. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> OK +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll put an email to -project and -dev in case anyone wants to join +20:06 <@quantumsummers> thanks Roy. +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Logo Usage Policy - Any Change? +20:07 <@quantumsummers> not that I am aware of +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't see a need for any major surgery +20:07 <@robbat2> nil +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC Update quantumsummers you have the floor +20:08 <@quantumsummers> Nothing significant to report from SFLC today. +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Update Financial Reports - dabbott +20:08 <@quantumsummers> dabbott is holding on me +20:08 <@dabbott> just waiting for help from quantumsummers +20:09 <@quantumsummers> however, I have assembled all the info and plan to work on that today +20:09 <@dabbott> more a reminder than anything else +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, dabbott have you done the sec/treasuerer split yet ? +20:09 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: what is your availability today? +20:09 <@dabbott> open today +20:09 <@quantumsummers> dabbott, robbat2, what do you want to do about a repo for the membership db? +20:10 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ok cool. Lets talk after the meeting +20:10 <@dabbott> sounds good :) +20:10 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, if we can go with a good merge format (not binary files), just tell me the access requirements needed on it +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Certified Public Accountant and 501(c)(3) registration status - quantumsummers your turn again +20:10 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I was just using sqlite, but we can use mysql +20:11 <@robbat2> sqlite w/ SQL dumps stored in Git? +20:11 <@quantumsummers> there are some other ways too, I guess. Since the data is not too large +20:11 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I was thinking of the django data dump +20:11 <@robbat2> that works too +20:11 <@quantumsummers> its clean enough to read too +20:11 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:12 <@quantumsummers> lets do that +20:12 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: are you limited availability today? we can get together on this during the week +20:12 <@robbat2> yeah, today's not good for me +20:12 <@quantumsummers> I'm in a similar boat +20:12 <@quantumsummers> lets try for soon then +20:13 <@quantumsummers> I can get it in shape well enough +20:13 <@quantumsummers> then just need repo +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Certified Public Accountant and 501(c)(3) registration status - quantumsummers your turn again +20:13 <@quantumsummers> cpa-related; everything is looking on track for taxes, etc +20:13 <@quantumsummers> the 501c3 app is still needing attention in a couple areas +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> anything we need to do ourselves ? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> I really need to email a conversation so it stays in one place +20:15 <@quantumsummers> yes, there are some things we can do to move this along +20:15 -!- dastergon [~dastergon@gentoo-el.org] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:15 <@quantumsummers> let me email early in the week and we can have a discussion +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> As rich0 is out, we will skip the Foundation Activity Tracker Update +20:15 <@quantumsummers> need to have a conversation with our cpa again +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:16 <@quantumsummers> sorry for not having much to say here +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> np quantumsummers +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Bugs +20:16 <@dabbott> fosscomm +20:17 <@quantumsummers> right, that one is ready to go? +20:17 < skiarxon> we are here +20:17 < skiarxon> in case you need us +20:17 <@quantumsummers> as in I can send a paypal? +20:17 <@robbat2> yup, just need to pay them the agreed amount I think +20:17 <@quantumsummers> which is 270 usd? +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> its whatever ... in the local currency +20:17 < skiarxon> it is 270 euros +20:18 < skiarxon> and i think around 350 dollars +20:18 <@robbat2> 270 EUR yes +20:18 <@quantumsummers> ah ,yeah ok +20:18 <@quantumsummers> makes sense +20:18 <@quantumsummers> I can do that. +20:18 < skiarxon> we have posted a link with the receipts +20:18 <@quantumsummers> skiarxon: thanks for that, looking now +20:18 < skiarxon> since we couldnt upload a pic +20:18 <@quantumsummers> skiarxon: who gets reimbursed? +20:18 < skiarxon> nikhatzi: +20:18 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, grab the image link from the comment to keep for your records +20:18 < skiarxon> i will post the iban etc +20:19 <@quantumsummers> can you put the paypal account email address in the bug +20:19 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: done +20:19 < skiarxon> i will do that now quantumsummers +20:19 <@quantumsummers> skiarxon: thanks +20:19 < skiarxon> btw we have also written a report +20:19 < skiarxon> for the event +20:19 < skiarxon> as promised +20:19 <@quantumsummers> thanks +20:19 <@quantumsummers> I hope it was nice +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> there is nothing to vote on here is there - its all agreed before +20:20 <@quantumsummers> yep. I can take care of the payment +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> skiarxon, can we publish the report ? +20:21 < skiarxon> yeap +20:21 < skiarxon> i think we only miss the pics +20:21 < skiarxon> nikhatzi: ^^ +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> skiarxon, I'll leave that to PR +20:21 < skiarxon> ok i will send them an email then +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> skiarxon, dabbott is PR :) +20:22 < skiarxon> yeap i know :) +20:22 <@dabbott> nikhatzi: skiarxon can you email pr@gentoo.org with the report and pics for a news item +20:22 < skiarxon> yeap we can do that +20:22 < nikhatzi> do you want the pics attached or want us to upload them to gentoo-el server and give you the links? +20:23 <@dabbott> great thanks :) +20:23 <@dabbott> link would be fine +20:23 < nikhatzi> ok :) +20:23 <@dabbott> again thanks for putting this event together +20:24 < skiarxon> np +20:24 < skiarxon> it was really fun for us too :) +20:24 < nikhatzi> it was our pleasure :) +20:24 < skiarxon> and preview pic +20:24 < skiarxon> if you want +20:24 < skiarxon> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/181302_175021202627718_100003595171445_254159_1563131695_n.jpg +20:24 < skiarxon> :) +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> any more bugs ? +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> nice pic +20:26 <@quantumsummers> the only bug I would like to close is Alec's +20:26 <@quantumsummers> I sent payment, I mainly want him to ACK +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> leave the bug until he comments on it with the ok +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I just poked him about it +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Jun 2012 19:00 UTC +20:27 <@robbat2> checking my cal +20:27 <@quantumsummers> that is father's day in the USA (my first one) +20:28 <@quantumsummers> I can do a short meeting +20:28 <@robbat2> i might be busy too, short meeting? +20:28 <@quantumsummers> but I believe I will have family here +20:28 <@quantumsummers> short meeting will work for me. +20:28 -!- tomkap [~tomkap@infernus.tomkap.gr] has left #gentoo-trustees ["Leaving"] +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> You will need to drop heavy hints to your wife as you wee one is still too young to get you a card :) +20:29 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: good point +20:29 <@quantumsummers> I guess that new grill will have to wait until he has a job too +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> We can prune the agenda to just new members if that helps +20:29 <@quantumsummers> we just had Mother's day here and Linc managed a card +20:29 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that sounds fine to me +20:29 <@quantumsummers> we could do that via email as well +20:30 <@quantumsummers> the recording date is the important thing +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Do you want to skip/move the June meeting ? +20:31 <@quantumsummers> no skipping +20:31 <@dabbott> I can send an email out on the 10th so the meeting on the 17 will be short +20:31 -!- nikhatzi [~nikhatzi@unaffiliated/nikhatzi] has left #gentoo-trustees [] +20:31 <@quantumsummers> lets try to do as much as we can via email +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> that works +20:32 <@quantumsummers> then those of us that are available longer can do the open floor, etcv +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:32 <@robbat2> i've got one new-business followup item in a sec +20:32 <@quantumsummers> ok' +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log - (I've got my ssh pass phrase back) +20:33 -!- dastergon [~dastergon@gentoo-el.org] has left #gentoo-trustees ["http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."] +20:33 <@dabbott> all yours, I will do the log and minutes plus the one motion +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> and do the emails +20:33 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, specifically, for you, did you follow up re Taos donation? +20:33 <@dabbott> ok log is yours :) +20:33 <@dabbott> i type way too slow +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, Oops I missed that agenda item - sorry about that +20:34 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: let me see, I know I talked with someone about it. I'll email the person now. +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, 'taco offered to help +20:35 <@quantumsummers> right +20:35 <@quantumsummers> looks like I emailed her and have not heard back. +20:35 <@robbat2> ok, thanks +20:35 <@quantumsummers> I am fairly certain the mail left my server +20:35 <@quantumsummers> let me email again, or actually, I will call her +20:36 <@quantumsummers> I think I still have her number +20:36 <@quantumsummers> or will get it from taco +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +20:37 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2012/20120617_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120617_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..17b4e9f --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120617_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +20:03 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the Fathers Day Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees Meeting +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call +20:03 <@dabbott> here +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a shortened Agenda. New Members and Trustee Election Timetable. +20:05 <@dabbott> Fine by me +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, quantumsummers +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> lets wait 5 min for a quorum ... +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> we need one more +20:06 <@robbat2> yo +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... lets go +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a shortened Agenda. New Members and Trustee Election Timetable. +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that ok ? +20:07 <@dabbott> yes +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> carried. +20:08 <@robbat2> make it +20:08 <@robbat2> *so +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> We have applications from two devs. Michael Palimaka Richard Farina ... I vote that they be admitted +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> votes please +20:09 <@robbat2> aye +20:09 <@dabbott> aye here also +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> carried - I'll do the emails. +20:09 <@dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the schedule Nominations: 18 June, 00:00:01 => 15 July, 23:59:59, that's four weeks. +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Voting 20 Jul, 00:00:01 => 16 Aug 23:59:59 that's four weeks too. +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Results published at the AGM of 19 Aug, with the newly elected trustees tipped off in advance, so that they can attend. +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> be adopted as only the nominations period overlaps with the Council election +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> So there are no practical problems +20:11 <@robbat2> i second it +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +20:11 <@robbat2> aye +20:11 <@dabbott> aye +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried. I'll write to -foundation-announce as soon as the new members have been subscribed to the list and the other announces too ... +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I think its me robbat2 and dabbott up for (re)election this time. +20:13 <@dabbott> yes +20:13 <@robbat2> with my current life matters, i'm not sure if i'll run again +20:14 <@robbat2> if there's insufficent other candidates, 2 days before the end +20:14 <@robbat2> i'll put my name in +20:14 <@robbat2> or if things get better during the nomination period +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't propose that we endorse ourselves for another term ... but if the others were here +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats all I wanted to get on record. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> DoNM July 15 ... is that OK for everyone +20:15 <@robbat2> yes +20:15 <@dabbott> yes +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> So be it. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ? +20:16 <@robbat2> none from me +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> not here +20:16 <@dabbott> none here +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you Gentelmen ... Meeting closed. diff --git a/2012/20120715_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120715_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6cf4f16 --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120715_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,367 @@ +20:07 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the July Trustees meeting +20:07 <@rich0> hi all +20:07 <@robbat2> yo +20:07 <@quantumsummers> hi +20:07 <@dabbott> hello team +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> and we are all here too +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Old Business ... Trustee Election There are four candidates, so we need a vote. Details are up to Elections +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> That covers the election schedule too. I will give them a prod to get the results out in time for the AGM in Aug +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more on the election ? +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Next ... Gentoo Logo Usage Policy +20:11 <@robbat2> sorry, i haven't touched it since 2 meetings ago +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Since we haven't done a lot, do we need to change the current ad hoc approach to requests? +20:11 <@rich0> No real action there, but to be honest the more I think about it the less I think much needs to change. +20:11 <@robbat2> formalize that ad-hoc approval? +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm with you rich0 +20:12 <@robbat2> formalize that it's per request, and just keep a public page of granted requests somewhere +20:12 <@quantumsummers> seems fine +20:12 <@dabbott> fine with me +20:12 <@quantumsummers> in the case that we desire, we can always revoke +20:12 <@rich0> That sounds good to me, the exception being community-use under the existing agreement, which I think is already fine. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Its not like we get a lot of requests, so its not a lot of work to array on as we are. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep +20:13 <@quantumsummers> as a side note, you all saw that our GENTOO mark is now incontestable +20:13 <@rich0> The biggest issue with the current policy is trademark vs copyright, but we don't need to totally revamp to adjust that. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a formal motion ? Probably not as ware intend to carry on as is +20:13 * quantumsummers still has not received the bill +20:13 <@rich0> Don't think so. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, lets drop the topic from the agenda +20:13 <@quantumsummers> +1 +20:14 <@rich0> If the bill totals to what they estimated ($700?) I'd be sure to thank them - that just covers the US gvt fees. +20:14 <@quantumsummers> will do! +20:14 <@rich0> ++ +20:14 <@dabbott> ok will do we can continue on mail list +20:14 <@rich0> ++ +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you might want to ask about the bill. +20:14 <@quantumsummers> I will email on Monday +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:15 <@quantumsummers> there was some confusion regarding where to send it +20:15 <@rich0> (FYI all - big thunderstorm here - usually not an issue but if I disappear that's why...) +20:15 <@robbat2> ask them, and if it really was gratis like that, should they be on our sponsors page? +20:15 <@quantumsummers> I told them the PO box +20:15 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: will do +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you have the floor ... SFLC Update +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, only if they want to be +20:15 <@quantumsummers> nothing new to report re: sflc +20:15 <@quantumsummers> Anyone have anything for me to bring up to sflc? +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Nothing new +20:16 <@robbat2> nil from me +20:16 <@quantumsummers> I plan to schedule a call once the CPA is done with tax prep +20:16 <@quantumsummers> just to cover some bases +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds good +20:16 <@quantumsummers> should be in the next couple weekd +20:16 <@quantumsummers> weeks* +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Update Financial Reports - quantumsummers dabbott are you done splitting the sec/treasurer roles ? +20:17 <@quantumsummers> no +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> bummer ... what still needs to happen ? +20:17 <@quantumsummers> dabbott + robbat2, need a private git repo for the member list app/data +20:17 <@quantumsummers> that is all +20:18 <@quantumsummers> other than that, I think its handled +20:18 <@robbat2> seperate repos for app vs data? +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, dabbott thanks +20:18 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: up to you. I have it all in one dir now +20:18 <@quantumsummers> not very large +20:18 <@robbat2> unless you see a specific need to keep the source code private? +20:18 <@quantumsummers> no +20:18 <@quantumsummers> there is not much code to it +20:19 <@robbat2> email me a tarball and I'll look +20:19 <@quantumsummers> I'll audit to insure there is nothing I should delete +20:19 <@quantumsummers> then email +20:19 <@quantumsummers> I may have an smtp passwd in there +20:19 <@quantumsummers> easy to remove +20:19 <@robbat2> config, app, data split if needed +20:19 <@robbat2> like the gentoo-ads +20:20 <@quantumsummers> can do, if needed +20:20 <@quantumsummers> the app is not really meant to run all the time +20:20 <@robbat2> yeah +20:20 <@quantumsummers> at least I had not designed it as such, just the devserver +20:20 <@quantumsummers> to make the xml file, etc +20:20 <@quantumsummers> could make it more robust +20:20 <@quantumsummers> if needed/desired +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, robbat2 can you sort out the detial outside the meeting +20:21 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:21 <@robbat2> yup, next item +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Update Financial Reports +20:21 <@quantumsummers> re: reports, I think that should be about done. I need to see what is left +20:21 <@quantumsummers> of course, with updates for this past fiscal year +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, wasn't dabbott going to do some of the web pages ? +20:21 <@quantumsummers> which is over. I have 1 month of data outstanding, which I will grab later today +20:22 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, we updated FY2011 iirc +20:22 <@dabbott> this one is done http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2011-treasurer-report.xml +20:22 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: anything oustanding that you recall? +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> yes. Its the AGM in August - we will need officers reports for the past 18 months as we moved the AGM +20:22 <@quantumsummers> no prob +20:22 <@dabbott> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/ <= this needs to be updated +20:23 <@quantumsummers> I will have FY2011-2012 done soon. +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, drop that item from the agenda please. Its AGM stuff only next month +20:23 <@dabbott> ok +20:23 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ah yes. ok I'll get started on that today. Been busy +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, before the 19 Aug ? +20:23 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:23 <@quantumsummers> surely yes +20:23 <@dabbott> this needs to be reviewed http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/funds.xml +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> thats the right answer +20:23 * quantumsummers increased his paygrade +20:24 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: that page should really be completely blown up and re-written +20:24 * quantumsummers adds that to his todo +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> 2*zero is still zero :( +20:24 <@quantumsummers> 1000*0 +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> heh +20:24 <@quantumsummers> ah well +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, the whole page or just the finacancal reports links ? +20:25 <@dabbott> Gentoo Foundation Funding and Expenditures http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/funds.xml +20:25 <@quantumsummers> the page is old, sflc did ont like certain elements +20:26 <@quantumsummers> need to start from scratch +20:26 <@quantumsummers> I will write it up +20:26 <@dabbott> is it replaced by http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/funding-request-policy.xml +20:26 <@quantumsummers> ah, sort of replaced +20:26 <@quantumsummers> partially +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll try to spend some time on it +20:26 <@quantumsummers> we should have a page that discussed where we spend money +20:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: just no dev rewards +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> yes ... we can take some of that from the history of the last 4 years or so +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Yeah - we cannot reward our members +20:27 <@quantumsummers> correcty +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you still have the floor Financial | Legal Status +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Certified Public Accountant +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> These guys have been working for us for about a year - still no bill ? +20:28 <@quantumsummers> they will bill when the work is complete +20:28 <@quantumsummers> which will be shortly +20:29 * rich0 braces himself... +20:29 <@quantumsummers> I have June data to get to them, then they have everything +20:29 <@quantumsummers> its not going to be bad, they are very reasonable +20:29 * rich0 sighs in relief. :) +20:29 <@quantumsummers> anyway, I think that once we have fy2011 done, the other years will fall into place nicely as amended returns +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. I have a feeling a annual bill would be good, so we don't get big bills every other year. It fits in with everyones accouncts better +20:30 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes. once this in all caught up, it wil be annual and cost ~900USD +20:30 <@rich0> Sounds good - in any case we should be staying more current anyway. +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. +20:30 <@quantumsummers> amending the previous years returns is required at this point, given where we are +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> any more on CPA ? +20:30 <@quantumsummers> nope +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> 501(c)(3) registration status +20:31 <@quantumsummers> same +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Are we sill going for this ? +20:31 <@quantumsummers> waiting on tax stuff +20:31 <@rich0> Makes sense - might as well ask AFTER our house is in order. +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:31 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that was the plan, however the sflc did bring up the possibility of doing something related to a public benefit corp +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, except we missed the 18 month deadline by a long way +20:31 <@quantumsummers> which could be really interesting +20:32 <@quantumsummers> the deadline is waaaaaaaaaaay past before this board was even rolling +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> yeah +20:32 <@quantumsummers> nothing anyone here could do +20:32 <@quantumsummers> so, that is that. we move forward regardless +20:32 <@quantumsummers> that said, the b-corp does present some interesting potentials +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to look at that individually before our Sept meeting ? +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> or do we ask the CPA for advice ? +20:33 <@quantumsummers> I think that will be worthwile +20:34 <@quantumsummers> CPA considers b-corp a good potential +20:34 <@rich0> Can we get a little info on what they're proposing - from what I've read not all states support those, including missouri +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - agenda item For Sept +20:34 <@rich0> Some have overhead as well. +20:34 <@quantumsummers> rich0: that is correct +20:34 <@robbat2> afk for a few mins +20:34 <@rich0> If we have a little more specifics for pre-reading that might be helpful. +20:34 <@quantumsummers> however, we do not have to register in MO +20:34 <@quantumsummers> team: google b-corp +20:34 <@quantumsummers> there are at last 2 sites with very good info +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> lets have the discussion after we have done the reading ... in Sept +20:35 <@quantumsummers> ok. I will have more info regarding that at that time also +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Your turn ... Foundation Activity Tracker Update +20:35 <@quantumsummers> it would alter our "business" model +20:35 * quantumsummers is done\\ +20:35 <@rich0> Not too much to report there. The tracker is up-to-date, and I have both trademarks on there now. +20:36 <@rich0> Next big items all pertain to the AGM +20:36 <@_robbat2|irssi> (back on here) +20:36 <@rich0> Two reports, and the AG report for Missouri in Aug +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, can we keep track of when individual trustees are up for election there please. I messed up and had robbat2 retining this year +20:37 <@_robbat2|irssi> +1 +20:37 <@rich0> That isn't a bad idea. I'll capture that. +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +20:37 <@dabbott> rich0: we could have one chapter just for that +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> should we keep trustee history there too ? +20:37 <@quantumsummers> also filing for NM +20:37 <@rich0> Maybe add it to: http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/activities/trustee-election.xml +20:38 <@rich0> NM is in November +20:38 <@quantumsummers> due +20:38 <@rich0> As well as IRS +20:38 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:38 <@rich0> Lots coming up over the next few months so be sure to check. +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> that was why we moved the AGM to Aug, so we had time to compile reports and take a vote on them +20:38 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, well reminded +20:39 <@rich0> That's it here unless any other suggestions. I'll add more detail to the election page. +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Agendat Item 4 Bugs +20:41 <@rich0> Any action for 420299? +20:41 <@rich0> It was never approved, but it sounds like it is done? +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Is it closed ? +20:41 <@rich0> Unless it was out of infra budget. +20:41 <@rich0> Open +20:41 <@rich0> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420299 +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, its new equipment, so it should not be out of the infra budget. I reall it being discussed on the alias +20:42 <@rich0> Is any approval needed to reimburse. If all is well no need to discuss, just didn't want to hold up payment. +20:42 <@quantumsummers> what is that one? +20:42 <@robbat2> that's the raid cards +20:42 <@rich0> Raid cards +20:42 <@quantumsummers> hmm, those were purchased I believe. +20:42 <@quantumsummers> and installed +20:42 <@robbat2> and installed, and the systems almost ready for use +20:43 <@quantumsummers> I'll post the receipt +20:43 <@quantumsummers> and close the bug +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> I recall that they were paid directly from paypal +20:43 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:43 <@rich0> Do we keep a balance in paypal? +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> after a brief disussion on the alias +20:43 <@rich0> (Don't want to derail agenda, but that is a bit of a risk, as paypay does not have the duties of a bank.) +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll let quantumsummers answer that one +20:44 <@quantumsummers> we do keep a balance +20:45 <@quantumsummers> not huge +20:45 <@quantumsummers> like <5000 +20:45 <@rich0> No big deal +20:45 <@rich0> Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a substitute for a bank. +20:45 <@quantumsummers> on occasion I do transfer to ing, where most of our money is (and Cap1) +20:45 <@robbat2> (fyi, the power company is doing some emergency maint on the power poles outside, not expecting a blip as i've mostly got UPS, but just heads up) +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, paypay does not pay good interest on credit balances +20:45 <@quantumsummers> ing bought cap1 +20:45 <@quantumsummers> interest is super low right now +20:46 <@quantumsummers> like practically nothing +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> its the same the world over :( +20:46 <@rich0> Biggest issue is that paypal siezes and freezes funds on a whim. +20:46 <@quantumsummers> yep, sad deal +20:46 <@quantumsummers> rich0: we are in good standing +20:46 <@rich0> Sorry to derail. +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, np back to bugs +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 373241 +20:47 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/373241 "Fund the building of 3 MIPS build systems"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; mattst88:trustees +20:47 <@rich0> Seems pretty idle to me. +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that closed? Matt has his mips boxes I think +20:47 <@quantumsummers> I think that bug can be closed +20:47 <@quantumsummers> however, he is not working on them now +20:47 <@rich0> Agree, close and allow to re-open if it is needed in future. +20:47 <@quantumsummers> for whatever reason +20:47 <@quantumsummers> rich0:+1 +20:47 <@dabbott> +1 +20:48 <@rich0> I can close if we want. +20:48 <@quantumsummers> fine by me +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> he will get the bugs email if we close the bug, so it won't be a surprise +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Close with a option to reopen later +20:48 <@rich0> Done +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> 418203 +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Google want to pay us twice for the same thing +20:49 <@dabbott> Google Summer of Code Invoices - 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 (need 2011) +20:49 <@quantumsummers> they were disuaded +20:50 <@quantumsummers> still need that last invoice +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> can the bug be closed ? +20:50 <@quantumsummers> no +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> thats a no then +20:50 <@quantumsummers> please leave it open +20:50 <@rich0> seems like they deserve a spot on the sponsor page as well. :) +20:50 <@quantumsummers> why? +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I don'r see any more bugs to discuss. Shoul we be on the git/svn bug now ? +20:51 <@dabbott> 2 spots :) +20:51 <@quantumsummers> its not a donation +20:51 <@robbat2> the ganeti boxes +20:51 <@quantumsummers> ah, yes those +20:51 <@quantumsummers> lets ask antarus if he wants us to do it +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> ask them first. Some donors like to be anon +20:51 <@quantumsummers> he+goog +20:52 <@quantumsummers> we need to discuss tampakrap's request. I thought there was a bug about this +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, thought the meeting was next weekend +20:53 <@robbat2> ago was asking about membership last night too +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> I've not seen an email from ago +20:54 <@quantumsummers> Motion: approve Jory? +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Seconded +20:54 <@rich0> aye +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote +20:54 <@quantumsummers> aye +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +20:54 <@dabbott> yes +20:55 <@robbat2> aye +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> ago, ping +20:55 <@quantumsummers> the aye's have it +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write the email +20:55 <@quantumsummers> thanks Roy +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> ago, isn't here to ask ... we whould wait for an email +20:55 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 19th Aug 2012 19:00 UTC Thats the AGM. Normal monthly business is suspends +20:56 <@dabbott> fine by me +20:56 <@quantumsummers> wtf +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> works for me +20:56 <@quantumsummers> oops +20:56 <@quantumsummers> wfm** +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:56 <@quantumsummers> ;o +20:56 <@robbat2> there is a chance I might be travelling for work then +20:57 <@rich0> wfm +20:57 <@robbat2> possibility of internet unknown +20:57 <@robbat2> because i'll be in crazy nowhere BC +20:57 <@quantumsummers> ooo, fun +20:57 <@robbat2> (look up stewart, BC) +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you are not an officer, so you don't have to present a report. We will try to goahead without you +20:58 <@quantumsummers> looks lovely +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds like the NW cost of Scotland +20:58 <@quantumsummers> do some fishing +20:59 <@quantumsummers> send me a salmon +20:59 <@robbat2> work trip, need to hit 7 towns in that region in a couple of days +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> As its the only meeting we are legally required to have and to advise members of, I would like to try for Aug 19th +20:59 <@quantumsummers> damn man +20:59 <@quantumsummers> lets do it then, we can get the reports approved ahead of the meeting +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that does not sound like fun +20:59 <@robbat2> +1 on reports ahead of meeting +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds good to me +21:00 <@dabbott> +1 +21:00 <@quantumsummers> ready for AOB? +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log Who will post the log? Minutes? ... we should really drop Minutes from the agenda +21:00 <@quantumsummers> AOB!! +21:00 <@dabbott> i will +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page? +21:00 <@dabbott> me also :) +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will send emails? me +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> AOB (I missedthat again) +21:01 <@quantumsummers> BYOB to the AOB +21:01 <@quantumsummers> tampakrap's request +21:01 <@quantumsummers> I will take this +21:01 <+tampakrap> I'm here +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, please outline your request +21:02 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: i will put together a Secretary's Report for review on mail alias +21:02 <@quantumsummers> tampakrap: per conversation with CPA, the request cannot be fulfilled due to a number of reasons, the main ones being overcomplication of our books and issues dealing with earmarked donations +21:02 <@quantumsummers> sorry man +21:02 <+tampakrap> no problem, thanks for looking at it +21:03 <@quantumsummers> tampakrap: you may consider talking to gentoo e.v., as they may be in a better position to assist in the EU +21:03 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: its all in the mail from Theo +21:03 <@rich0> Smaller targeted expenditures might be possible. +21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Ah yes. +21:04 <@quantumsummers> I think we would be delighted to assist with conf materials like dvds, etc +21:04 <@quantumsummers> however please file a proper request for that material +21:04 <+tampakrap> I'll talk to the eV first if they have enough material, if not I'll print something here and bug you again +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, that works +21:05 <+tampakrap> good, thank you guys +21:05 <@quantumsummers> reminds me, I talked with a local tshirt shop, they are interested in potentially producing some "special edition" shirts for a good price +21:05 <@dabbott> tampakrap: you may want a banner for the booth +21:05 <@quantumsummers> might be worth getting a firm quote +21:05 <+tampakrap> the eV has one, we're discussing if they can bring it here +21:05 <@quantumsummers> cool +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Its not worth shipping stuff around the world. Customs can be a pain +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, it can be shipped +21:06 <@quantumsummers> we should likely have a banner on all major gentoo-using continents for this sort of thing +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I think we do ... at least one +21:06 <@rich0> At least one in the US and one in the EU - no customs that way +21:07 <@robbat2> i think there are two in the US +21:07 <@rich0> Asia gets messier, but if there is enough demand... +21:07 <@quantumsummers> we have one in Cali and one on the east coast I believe +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more Other Business ? +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> None her +21:07 <@quantumsummers> not from me +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> +e +21:08 <@robbat2> none from me +21:08 <@dabbott> im good +21:08 <@rich0> nope +21:08 <@quantumsummers> good luck in the election gentlemen! +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers +21:09 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the July meeting diff --git a/2012/20120819_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120819_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..f6b5ad9 --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120819_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +20:11 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the Gentoo Foundation Inc. 2012 AGM +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> As this is our only legally required public meeting, we are supposed to have a quorum of members. I don't see that happening now, nor if we delay. Lets just do the meeting anyway +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call - I'm logging +20:13 <@robbat2> yo +20:13 <@dabbott> present +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, sends apologies +20:13 <@quantumsummers> here +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum, so lets start +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> IS eveyone happy to proceed while we don't have a quorum of members ? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> Yes +20:14 <@robbat2> yes +20:14 <@dabbott> yes +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> fine +20:14 <@robbat2> what's our actual quorum requirment? we have 4/5 trustees here +20:14 <@robbat2> or do we actually need all of us? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> I am not aware of a member quorum requirement +20:15 <@quantumsummers> board quorum is all, which we have +20:15 <@quantumsummers> 3 of 5 is quorum +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> We need a quorum of members for the AGM ... I think thats about 90 people with +v set +20:15 <@quantumsummers> where is that stated in the by-laws? +20:15 <@quantumsummers> we have never had that issue previously +20:16 <@quantumsummers> at any rate, we should proceed with the agenda +20:16 <@dabbott> members list will be greatly reduced i am sure +20:16 <@quantumsummers> there is that +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I've bought it up every year, I think. Do you wan't me to look at the bylaws now ? +20:16 <@quantumsummers> lets just proceed +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> fine +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> 3. Officers Reports +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> The presidents report is http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/report.xml I need to commit it to foundation space +20:17 * NeddySeagoon pauses for everyone to read +20:18 <@quantumsummers> looks great +20:18 <@dabbott> motion to accept Presidents Report +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks +20:19 <@quantumsummers> I second the motion +20:19 <@robbat2> done reading +20:19 <@robbat2> no questions +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> vote please +20:19 <@robbat2> aye +20:19 <@quantumsummers> aye +20:19 <@dabbott> yes +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Presidents report adoped as written - I'll commit it +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Secretarys Report .. dabbott +20:20 <@quantumsummers> Treasurer's Report is here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~quantumsummers/FY2012_Gentoo_Foundation_Treasurers_Report.pdf I will xml the doc later today or so. +20:20 <@dabbott> Secretarys Report http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/2012_SecretarysReport.xml +20:20 <@quantumsummers> oops, sorry out of order, i am +20:20 <@quantumsummers> looks great dabbott +20:21 <@robbat2> +1 on the report +20:21 <@quantumsummers> Motion to accept dabbott's effort. +20:22 <@robbat2> seconded +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, how long to clean up the members list and sneak it into the report ? +20:22 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: I can assist there, but we need data from elections team +20:23 <@quantumsummers> also, I have a cleaned repo for the members app, when you are ready for it +20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> How about commit as is and provide a patch for our next meeting ? +20:23 <@dabbott> ok we will get to it next week +20:23 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that sounds good +20:23 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ok cool +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion at accept Sec, report as is with an update to address the members list next moth +20:24 <@quantumsummers> seconded +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +20:24 <@quantumsummers> aye +20:24 <@robbat2> aye +20:24 <@dabbott> aye +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> aye +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Treasuers Report quantumsummers ... +20:24 <@quantumsummers> Treasurer's Report is here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~quantumsummers/FY2012_Gentoo_Foundation_Treasurers_Report.pdf I will xml the doc later today or so. +20:25 <@quantumsummers> everything reconciles thankfully. +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, looks good to me - I have not checked the arithmetic +20:25 <@quantumsummers> I also have all data +20:25 <@quantumsummers> in a repo +20:25 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: nice work :) +20:25 <@quantumsummers> thansk +20:26 <@quantumsummers> er, thanks +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to adopt the treasurers report as written +20:26 <@dabbott> seconded +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> vote please +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +20:26 <@robbat2> aye +20:26 <@dabbott> aye +20:26 <@quantumsummers> aye +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> The treasurers report is adopted as written +20:27 <@quantumsummers> thanks +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Trustee Election Results ... +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you to all of the candidates and the election offcials +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> The outgoing trustees were reelected. +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Welcome back Roy and David :) +20:28 <@dabbott> thanks +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 16th Sep 2012 19:00 UTC +20:29 <@dabbott> i will do the motions +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> That works for me +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> I will do the log +20:29 <@dabbott> 16th sep is fine here +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> There are no emails +20:29 <@robbat2> checking my calendar +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ? +20:29 <@robbat2> as I might be travelling +20:30 <@robbat2> i'm going to be in a fairly remote portion of BC on that day +20:30 <@robbat2> i might not make it +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, we'll cope with that as its only a 'might' +20:30 <@robbat2> will depend on mobile data coverage +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> unless you want a date change ? +20:30 <@robbat2> nope, just leave it then +20:30 <@robbat2> i'll try attend +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> ok 16th Sep 2012 19:00 UTC is it +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> AoB ? +20:31 <@robbat2> one +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, has the floor +20:31 <@robbat2> as this is the AGM minutes, I'd like a special thanks to all our sponsors, past & present +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye +20:32 <@robbat2> aye +20:32 <@dabbott> aye +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, +20:32 <@quantumsummers> aye' +20:32 <@quantumsummers> sorry +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried +20:32 <@robbat2> that's all from me +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more Other business ? +20:33 <@quantumsummers> I have a minor note +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you have the floor +20:33 <@quantumsummers> in the paypal log, we get a good number of comments from donors +20:33 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: as PR rep, would you have any interest in publishing some of the comments? They are rather ncie. +20:33 <@quantumsummers> that is all +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> soundas like a good idea - quarterly with the accounts or something ? +20:34 <@dabbott> sure we can do that +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I have nothing for AoB, dabbott anything from you ? +20:35 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: how about a thank you article that lists some of the comments +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sounds good +20:35 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:35 <@dabbott> we can thank the sponsors at the same time +20:36 <@quantumsummers> sounds great +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> +1 +20:36 <@quantumsummers> i'll shoot over an email with the comments +20:36 <@dabbott> ok +20:36 <@quantumsummers> I think we can keep it anonymous +20:36 <@dabbott> yes +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> We must unless contributors have asked to be identified +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +20:38 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the 2012 AGM +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you gentelmen +20:38 <@robbat2> thanks all +20:38 <@quantumsummers> thank you! +20:38 <@quantumsummers> congrats on being re-elected diff --git a/2012/20120916_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20120916_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..3973472 --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20120916_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +20:16 <@dabbott> no meeting? /me goes back to watching football :) +20:18 <@quantumsummers> I am here +20:18 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: hi there +20:18 <@dabbott> hi quantumsummers +20:18 <@quantumsummers> looks like we would not have quorum, since Robin and Rich are not here +20:18 <@quantumsummers> nor is Roy +20:19 <@dabbott> ok we can carry over to next month I will update the /topic +20:19 <@dabbott> and agenda +20:19 <@quantumsummers> ok. I think we can handle the new members via email diff --git a/2012/20121021_trustee_log.txt b/2012/20121021_trustee_log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..0e22ed7 --- /dev/null +++ b/2012/20121021_trustee_log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +Note: My Xen VPS server clock ist wrong. The meeting started at 20:04 + +20:24 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the Oct 2012 Trustees meeting +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +20:24 <@_robbat2|irssi> present +20:24 <@dabbott> here +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> My logger is here +20:24 <@rich0> here +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> we have a quorum. quantumsummers|c can catch up +20:25 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'd appreciate if shor, limited mobile battery +20:25 <@_robbat2|irssi> *short +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business Financial stuff - lets skip it, it needs quantumsummers|c +20:26 <@rich0> Ok, but maybe can we cover that in email? +20:26 <@rich0> Not sure where that all stands. +20:26 <@dabbott> need to email new members from last month +20:26 <@rich0> No need to try to cover now. +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we still need to email new members voted on the alias last month ? +20:27 <@dabbott> yes +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do it +20:27 <@dabbott> and get the key from Steve Herber +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Update members list: Bug 435248. I've updated the ACL here +20:27 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/435248 "Members List Update"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; dabbott:trustees +20:28 <@dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> any more to add to that bug or can it be closed ? +20:28 <@dabbott> that is should be done http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/20121011_members_list.xml +20:28 <@dabbott> just check it over for me +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok ... I'll look at it later in the week +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Financial | Legal Status - needs quantumsummers|c ... so skip +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Foundation Activity Tracker Update ... do we need a rule about infra not all being in the same bar at the same time ? +20:30 <@rich0> :) +20:30 <@_robbat2|irssi> lol +20:30 <@dabbott> lets add the finanical reports to the tracker so they get updated in a timely manner +20:30 <@rich0> Nope, but we should probably confirm whether the Aug/Sep items are actually done, and documented. +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, anything to add on the Activity Tracker ? +20:30 <@_robbat2|irssi> we're already not in the same hotel, or sharing any flights +20:31 <@rich0> Financial reports - what kind of frequency? +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, can you review that please ? +20:31 <@dabbott> quarterly +20:31 <@rich0> Ok, I'll put that on there, maybe aiming for 4Q since we're in catchup mode. +20:31 <@rich0> Quick review: +20:32 <@rich0> Trustee Election - I don't think the results page was updated yet, so not quite done. +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Open Trustee Bugs. I don't think we need to discuss any of these right now +20:32 <@_robbat2|irssi> we also need to link more of the existing financial stuff +20:32 <@_robbat2|irssi> i had to dig it up for the talk i did +20:32 <@_robbat2|irssi> it's done, just not linked +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, yes we do. Agreed +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 - there is no new business +20:33 <@rich0> Ditto for a bunch of stuff on the tracker. +20:33 <@dabbott> Bug 432626 +20:33 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/432626 "Please update finances page"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; darkside:trustees +20:33 <@rich0> Not linked = not done. +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications - None this month +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> 7. Advertising Requests Request from ShopLinuxOnline to be added as an unlicensed vendor +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> Provided they sell at cost+ nominal fee, I have no issues +20:34 <@dabbott> brb +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> $1.95 for the DVD looks ok +20:35 <@dabbott> ok back +20:35 <@rich0> I'm fine with that. +20:35 <@dabbott> ok by me i can add them +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, dabbott ? +20:36 <@_robbat2|irssi> +1 +20:36 <@dabbott> yes +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, please go ahead +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'll leave to to sent an emal to ShopLinuxOnline when its done +20:37 <@dabbott> ok +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 18 Nov 2012 19:00 UTC +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm +20:37 <@dabbott> fine here +20:37 <@_robbat2|irssi> +1 +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +20:37 <@rich0> Fine here. +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I proposed a meetings calendar ... does it work ? +20:38 <@rich0> Meetings calendar? +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to move the Fathers day meeting ? +20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> before last months meeting +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> 3rd Sunday in the month at 19:00 UTC +20:39 <@rich0> Works in general, fine with the odd exception. +20:39 <@rich0> Might as well move Father's day. +20:39 <@rich0> This far out your guess is as good as mine. :) +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, +1 or -1 ? +20:39 <@_robbat2|irssi> ok +20:40 <@dabbott> 3rd Sunday in the month at 19:00 UTC +1 +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> any more AoB ? +20:41 <@_robbat2|irssi> non from me, but would appreciate trustees reading the backlog i raised +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one more ... has anyone heard from quantumsummers|c ? There is the outstanding cheque email still unansdwerd +20:41 <@rich0> He replied to that email. +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, I must have missed the reply +20:42 <@rich0> He said it was straightened out. +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks +20:42 <@_robbat2|irssi> i don't recall the reply, but ok +20:42 <@rich0> For that matter we have the bug about the GSOC stuff. +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I thought that was all fixed ? +20:42 <@rich0> Bug is open. +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll read the bugs more carefully +20:43 <@rich0> Might just be for 2012. +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> I will post the log and do the new members emails +20:43 <@dabbott> i will work on the finances page's see what I can do to organize them and fix links +20:43 <@rich0> In general we should follow up offline on finances. +20:43 <@rich0> Recordkeeping/etc. +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, and fix ShopLinuxOnline +20:44 <@rich0> Ideally we should have some kind of private repository to reduce the bus factor. +20:44 <@rich0> And maybe get more help if needed. +20:44 <@_robbat2|irssi> yes, was raised at the miniconf +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> we should get more help ... that reduces the bus factor too +20:44 <@rich0> Ideally I'd love to see a private repo that trustees and those who need to know have full access to unredacted docs on everything. +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, I didn't see any volunteers there +20:44 <@rich0> Then a public one with redacted info for general openness. +20:45 <@rich0> And if an appeal for help is needed, let's post that on -nfp. +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I thing robbat2|na and quantumsummers|c were working on something +20:45 <@_robbat2|irssi> ok +20:45 <@rich0> And maybe on other lists directing attention there. +20:45 <@rich0> Yup, GREALY appreciate all they're doing. We need to get them help if we can. +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:45 <@rich0> Worst case we could even pay somebody to do it. +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> but not us ... we need new blood +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor .... +20:47 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2013/meeting-01-20.log b/2013/meeting-01-20.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..fa7d394 --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-01-20.log @@ -0,0 +1,349 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to open the Jan 20, 2013 Trustees Meeting +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, quantumsummers dabbott rich0 ? +20:00 <@dabbott> here glad you made it :) +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I knackered but I'm here :) +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I should be logging - both my VPS and my shiney new dedicated servers are here +20:02 <@quantumsummers> howdy folks +20:02 <@dabbott> hi Dad +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> hi quantumsummers - hows things ? +20:02 <@quantumsummers> really well, thanks. My son turns 1 in 3 days +20:03 <@quantumsummers> getting big, walking, etc +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> talking? getting cheeky? curious .. always asking why ? +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> We'll give rich0 and robbat2 a few minuites +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> but we have a quorum +20:04 <@quantumsummers> heh, not talking too much yet +20:04 <@quantumsummers> just a few words, etc +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - Mum, Dad, beer ... just the essentials +20:05 <@dabbott> tits +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> That will be Mom not Mum +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, thats 5 min past so lets start. +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Copyright Policies ... we have to nail this one, its important to everyone who contributes +20:07 <@quantumsummers> main thing we need to do is keep it easy to contrib +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Copyright the Foundation is just a convience, so we can be the target of action and take action on Gentoo owned code. As long as we have a licence to use the code, copyright is no so important +20:08 <@quantumsummers> I agree with NeddySeagoon +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, where are you getting with legal advice? Can we usefully start a public discussion yet ? +20:09 <@quantumsummers> I think we can. The SFLC is a fan of a CLA-type document generally +20:09 <@quantumsummers> however, I think some broad discussion would be good +20:10 <@quantumsummers> I would consider posting to a ML of other OSS non-profits +20:10 <@quantumsummers> if you guys think it would be good +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Greg-KH seems to have some strong opinions - make sure he sees the discussion +20:10 <@quantumsummers> we are somewhat unique in comparison, since we are a distro, not a software project +20:10 <@quantumsummers> Greg is on that list +20:11 <@quantumsummers> I will CC all trustees individually +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> well, we package upstream - our IPR is portage and the tree. Does that make us a distro ? +20:11 <@quantumsummers> in fact, I would like to see you all on that list anyway +20:11 <@rich0> I'm here... +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> welcome rich0 +20:11 <@rich0> Got the time wrong... +20:11 <@quantumsummers> we package and sometimes patch +20:11 <@quantumsummers> hi Rich +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok. Do you have a link for that ML ? +20:12 <@quantumsummers> at any rate, this is something we should discuss in daylight +20:12 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: its private, but let me see if I can find a link +20:12 <@rich0> I need to ping some of the contacts I reached out to before the holidays. +20:12 <@quantumsummers> JacobKM from django invited me +20:12 <@rich0> We did have a discussion on -nfp thouhg. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can you organise invites ? +20:12 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, please do then +20:13 <@rich0> What are we doing? +20:13 <@quantumsummers> this list http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/foundations +20:13 * NeddySeagoon is sipping a beer +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, all of them ? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: all of whom? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> OSS foundations? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> no +20:14 <@quantumsummers> but a large number +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, forget it. Can we subscribe trustees@ ? +20:14 <@quantumsummers> no +20:14 <@quantumsummers> needs to be an individual +20:14 <@quantumsummers> human +20:14 <@quantumsummers> from what I recall of the rules +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm OK with that +20:14 <@quantumsummers> its a good list +20:15 <@quantumsummers> low traffic +20:15 <@quantumsummers> I mostly lurk +20:15 <@rich0> From the discussion on our own lists it seemed like there really wasn't much consensus for having the foundation own copyright on our projects. +20:16 <@rich0> At least a few basically said they'd stop contributing if that were the policy, most notably Greg. +20:16 <@quantumsummers> seems like we can make it optional, as long as the license it free +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I've filled in the form +20:16 <@rich0> I was thinking that a KDE-like approach would make sense. +20:16 <@rich0> They make it optional. +20:16 <@quantumsummers> makes sense to me +20:16 <@rich0> And use the FSFe FLA. +20:17 <@rich0> That leaves us with details like what to do with our copyright notice lines. That could use some legal advice. Not sure what KDE does there - should be easy enough to check on that. +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Once we have boild down the useful options have the discussion on -nfp and an announce on -announce +20:17 <@rich0> We did have discussion already. +20:17 <@rich0> Though not a final proposal. +20:17 <@quantumsummers> good to note that you are talking mainly EU-type policy +20:18 <@rich0> Well, the FLA is designed to handle both US and EU regimes. +20:18 <@quantumsummers> ah, good +20:18 <@rich0> We should have a clear policy that everybody agrees to when becoming a dev - just stating that they license their contributions under GPL2+, and so on. +20:18 <@rich0> Even that gets a bit messy now that we have eudev. +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I'm not sure our copyright lines have any legal standaing as nobody ever filled in a copyright assignment form. fmmcor thought that the line in ebuilds would be OK in the USA though +20:19 <@rich0> If we won't hold contributions I'd really prefer the GPL2+ to GPL2, otherwise we're stuck like Linux. +20:19 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, I'm not sure either. That's why we need to come up with a new policy on those. +20:19 <@rich0> We can't have every ebuild have at the top a list of everybody who ever contributed to that one ebuild. +20:19 <@rich0> Or I guess we could, but that would be a mess. +20:19 <@rich0> Would like to have something reasonably simple. +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, nope, nor can we list every contributor in a file - we don't even know them all +20:20 <@rich0> Maybe something generic, like copyright gentoo developers, see cvs log for current list of contributors or something. +20:20 <@rich0> That definitely requires legal advice. +20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> what about non dev contributions from bugs ? +20:21 <@quantumsummers> a separate "contributors" file would suffice, but I thought that the cvs/git log would be sufficient +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> do we know enough yet to post on -nfp ? +20:21 <@rich0> Well, Linux does it like this: Copyright (C) 1995-1996 Linus Torvalds & authors (see below) +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> yeah - its maintaining the see below ... +20:22 <@rich0> They also have a concept of signoff where the person doing the commit declares that the code is unencumbered and GPL2. +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> I like that +20:22 <@rich0> That is also my concern. +20:23 <@rich0> In Linux they seem to stick a header in every file that varies. +20:23 <@dabbott> can we remove the copyright from ebuilds +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets stop this here - it sonds like there are too many options to open discussion on -nfp just yet +20:24 <@rich0> We already opened discussion on this. +20:24 <@rich0> Thought it must not have been on -nfp - it wasn't in the archives. +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, as nobody signed a copyright assignment ... maybe +20:25 <@rich0> Err, it was discussed, but the archives are incomplete... +20:25 <@quantumsummers> gentoo-dev too, seems the discussion was split +20:25 <@rich0> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/82061 +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, it wasn't organised - it started from eudev changing all the copyright notices ... which was just wrong +20:26 <@rich0> Well, in any case, I think the discussion was still useful. +20:26 <@quantumsummers> it is/was +20:26 <@rich0> I was mainly interested in general direction, not details. +20:26 <@quantumsummers> seems like I had a point to add, but never finished the email. +20:26 <@rich0> It sounds like we're going to move away from foundation ownership. +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, it was +20:26 <@rich0> I think the next step is to focus on that direction and step down a level in detail. +20:26 <@quantumsummers> mainly: if you an an independent contractor the IP rules are different for software projects and generally not considered "work for hire" +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, agreed +20:27 <@rich0> The copyright line will be a big issue. So will be tracking what licenses are used by what files, and ensuring contributors are aware they are licensing appropriately. +20:27 <@quantumsummers> yes +20:27 <@dabbott> yep +20:27 <@rich0> I also want to make sure we don't get stuck on GPL2 - so everybody really needs to license 2+ +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> If we revert copyright to original authors, I don't see it being an issue +20:28 <@rich0> At least for all new contributions - we could argue that past ones are already covered, or not, but over time that becomes less of an issue. +20:28 <@rich0> It is if we want to make Gentoo GPL4+ or something in the future. +20:28 <@rich0> We can do that if we're 2+, not if we're 2-only. +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> copyright and licence are separate issues +20:29 <@rich0> Maybe we'll never do that, but seems wise to be prepared for it. +20:29 <@rich0> Sure, but it is still something that we need covered by the policy. +20:29 <@rich0> If we don't have copyright, then we need a license to use our own code. +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +20:29 <@rich0> So we need to make sure we get that from contributors, much as linux/etc does. +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> but the code is licences anyway +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> lets move on +20:30 <@rich0> So, what are our next steps then? +20:31 <@quantumsummers> I have requested invitations for each trustee to the floss foundations list I mentioned above +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Consolidate what we know for the advice we have and open a discussion on -nfp. Seek more advice if we don't yet have enough and a view of how we want to end emp +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> When we go to -nfp it should be with a reccommendation +20:32 <@rich0> Ok, I'll open a next-steps discussion on -nfp +20:32 <@quantumsummers> we need to formalize what the KDE-type agreement actually means for Gentoo in practice +20:32 <@dabbott> thanks rich0 +20:32 <@rich0> Maybe send it to trustees@ first +20:32 <@quantumsummers> as it seems like that is the best option +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, sould like a plan +20:32 <@quantumsummers> +1 +20:33 <@rich0> It will be a straw man that actually starts to look like a policy document. +20:33 <@rich0> Greg/etc can pick it apart, and that is fine. +20:33 <@rich0> Once we get past that we can start getting formal legal advice. +20:33 <@rich0> I might also re-ping the FSF/etc. +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, make sure Greg knows its there +20:33 <@rich0> They basically took a big holiday break. +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> yes - that sounds good +20:33 <@rich0> Oh, I'll CC to dev-announce to start it. +20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Certified Public Accountant and 501(c)(3) registration status +20:33 <@rich0> Greg hasn't had trouble notcing them so far. :) +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:34 <@quantumsummers> nothing too interesting to report here. I know that Rich was asking earlier about filings, etc. We are all finished there (save reimbursing postage for David and I) +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I was expecting an invoice from the CPA +20:35 <@quantumsummers> I need to run a couple things by our SFLC contact soon regarding the 1023 app +20:35 <@rich0> Can you send me dates for the tracker? +20:36 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, let me talk with them in the morning. It can take them 90 days to invoice (something I found odd, but whatever) +20:36 <@rich0> Oh, and that includes the 990, AG-Missouri, annual report Missouri, and annual report New Mexico? +20:36 <@quantumsummers> rich0: annual report was filed by Nov 15th +20:36 <@rich0> Which one? +20:36 <@quantumsummers> the exact day, I do not recall +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats your bit next. +20:36 <@quantumsummers> let me find my notes +20:36 <@rich0> I'll just put down Nov, but I want to make sure we hit them all. +20:36 <@quantumsummers> surely +20:37 <@rich0> There are 4 documents in all. +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> the NM one is filed and the web site updated +20:37 <@quantumsummers> yep +20:37 <@dabbott> rich0: there is no Missouri afaik +20:37 <@rich0> dabbott, are you saying it wasn't done, or that you don't think we need to do it? +20:38 <@dabbott> i don't think it was ever set up +20:38 <@quantumsummers> nope. the initial paperwork was not filed. I stopped it for some reason. +20:38 <@quantumsummers> I need to locate my notes +20:38 <@quantumsummers> the main reason was to simplify banking +20:38 <@rich0> Ah, in that case I can drop it from the tracker. +20:38 <@quantumsummers> which is not super important at the moment +20:38 <@quantumsummers> iirc +20:38 <@quantumsummers> let me check on some things here +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0 over to you and the tracker ... +20:39 <@rich0> Np either way - that is why we have a tracker. :) +20:39 <@rich0> Just want to check the boxes. +20:39 <@rich0> Well, the tracker just shows the 4 reports I listed above as past-due. +20:39 <@rich0> If both the 990 and the NM reports are done in Nov I can update that. +20:40 <@rich0> The other two I can leave on the list until somebody confirms we never filed, unless we're sure about that now. +20:40 <@dabbott> NM done 990 not sure +20:40 <@rich0> Ok, then I'll only mark NM done. +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:40 <@rich0> The 990 is definitely due though, or at least a request for extension. +20:40 <@quantumsummers> 990-N +20:40 <@quantumsummers> http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Annual-Electronic-Filing-Requirement-for-Small-Exempt-Organizations--Form-990-N-(e-Postcard) +20:40 <@quantumsummers> that is what was filed +20:40 <@rich0> Also, can we get some kind of private git repo for this stuff. +20:41 <@rich0> Scans and such? +20:41 <@quantumsummers> since we have <50,00 in gross receipts per year +20:41 <@rich0> Seems way too painful to figure out if we did something or not. +20:41 <@quantumsummers> rich0: been asking for that for awhile +20:41 <@rich0> Maybe we should ping infra/Robin or something? +20:41 <@quantumsummers> the e-filed 990-N was very simple +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Its on -infras todo list +20:41 <@quantumsummers> our CPA actually did it +20:41 <@rich0> Ok, so we're sure 990 was done then? +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets move on to item 4 Bugs +20:42 <@rich0> If so I'll mark it as Nov-2012? +20:42 <@quantumsummers> I am still waiting for amended forms for previous years +20:42 <@quantumsummers> since we need some done +20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, where from ? +20:42 <@quantumsummers> at any rate, there is no penalty +20:42 <@rich0> Ok, and are we sure we're not filed in Missouri? +20:42 <@quantumsummers> the beginning of the foundation to 2009 or 2010 +20:42 <@rich0> Wasn't sure if that was a confirmed yes/no. +20:42 <@quantumsummers> rich0: yes, sure +20:42 <@rich0> ok, I'll drop those then. +20:42 <@quantumsummers> positive +20:42 <@rich0> That's it for the tracker. +20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets move on to item 4 Bugs +20:43 <@quantumsummers> there were some reasons that I wrote down to let you all know, but I am having some trouble finding the notes +20:43 <@quantumsummers> mainly, not necessary at this time +20:43 <@quantumsummers> per cpa recommendation +20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Bug 447486 is the first one that needs discussion +20:45 <@quantumsummers> ah, I think should be ok, no? +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Originally I was in favour ... but it seems poor value for money +20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Also, why not an infra box if there is one ? +20:45 <@dabbott> the more i think about it he needs a fully sponsered box for stages not personal +20:45 <@quantumsummers> we have sufficient HW for his purposes, I believe +20:45 <@rich0> ++ +20:46 <@quantumsummers> its a matter of getting infra to finish up the ganeti nodes +20:46 <@quantumsummers> and make the easily available +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if we say yes we have to say yes to other similar applcations +20:46 <@rich0> I too would rather spend a bit more on an infra box if we needed it than having critical stuff going on elsewhere. +20:46 <@rich0> Plus, that stuff needs to be documented and such. +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, +1 +20:46 <@dabbott> rich0: agreed +20:46 <@quantumsummers> in this case, let's not fund this request. Whomever sees Jorge next buys him some beers +20:46 <@rich0> Seems like stages break from time to time because only a few do them and knowledge is too compartmentalized. +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that will be robbat2 at FOSDEM +20:47 <@rich0> And if he wants to work with infra and they come back with a proposal I'm all for it. +20:47 <@quantumsummers> very good +20:47 <@dabbott> yes +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will comment on the bug ? +20:47 <@quantumsummers> we could even purchase a dedicated machine for him to use, in the case we do not have the HW. However, I think we do +20:47 <@quantumsummers> I will comment +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers +20:48 <@dabbott> yep thanks quantumsummers +20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> I think the others can wait ... the copyright stuff we have already discussed anyway +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> 6. Membership Applications +20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Community Members Damien Moody based on work on Gentoo Studio +20:49 <@dabbott> yes +20:49 <@rich0> seconded :) +20:49 <@rich0> aye +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> I've provided encouragement and support to this project so am not neutral +20:50 <@quantumsummers> aye +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote yest too +20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write the email and ask for his gpg key +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +20:51 <@rich0> FYi - support and encouragement is not a conflict. :) +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, thanks +20:51 <@rich0> I'd hope we support and encourage half the stuff we discuss. :) +20:51 <@quantumsummers> email sent +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 17 Feb 2013 19:00 UTC +20:51 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I added a folder for 2013 please put the logs here thanks http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes/2013/ +20:51 <@quantumsummers> to Jorge +20:51 <@quantumsummers> that meeting, I may miss or be late +20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, cvs -d up ? +20:52 <@quantumsummers> will be traveling back home +20:52 <@rich0> wfm +20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm too +20:52 <@quantumsummers> I should be in time, but one never knows +20:52 <@dabbott> fine here +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities - I'll post the log - It will be from UTC+1 as my new server is in France +20:53 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: cat .cvsrc +20:53 <@dabbott> cvs -q -z0 +20:53 <@dabbott> diff -u -B +20:53 <@dabbott> checkout -P +20:53 <@dabbott> update -d -P +20:53 <@dabbott> cvs update +20:53 <@quantumsummers> the -d -P is key there +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott thanks - I'll need to make a .cvsrc +20:53 <@dabbott> i will do the motions 1 +20:53 <@quantumsummers> when are we moving to git ;) +20:53 <@rich0> Ugh - when will we ever get on git. :) +20:53 <@quantumsummers> heheh +20:54 <@rich0> Especially for the website. Don't get why that is still on cvs. +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> yuck - I barely know enough CVS yet +20:54 <@rich0> I can see why our ebuilds are a mess. +20:54 <@quantumsummers> that financial update bug, that can be closed yeah? +20:54 <@rich0> Actually, you're due on 3-4Q quarterly updates. +20:54 <@quantumsummers> rich0: there was some movement towards git for the web stuff +20:54 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: fine by me +20:54 <@quantumsummers> rich0: I stopped doing quarterly updates +20:54 <@rich0> Oh? +20:55 <@quantumsummers> mainly, they are not necessary +20:55 <@rich0> There was a request back in Sep-Oct to add quarterly updates to the tracker. +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, isn't that a NM requirement ? +20:55 <@quantumsummers> actually, I never did them +20:55 <@rich0> I'll remove them again. +20:55 <@quantumsummers> not requred, only yearly +20:55 <@quantumsummers> if you guys would like to see some quarterly numbers, I can do that +20:55 <@rich0> Yeah, all the NM stuff is in the tracker. +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm all for not inventing work +20:55 <@quantumsummers> just seemed like extra wor +20:55 <@quantumsummers> work +20:55 <@rich0> Honestly, I'd really like to see everything in git so we could just see whatever we want. +20:55 <@rich0> And stop pestering you. :) +20:55 <@rich0> But... +20:56 <@rich0> As long as we're approving by line-item I don't think we need the quarterly numbers. +20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other Business ? +20:56 <@quantumsummers> well, I have a gitolite setup with ~400 repos. we could use it for now if you want +20:56 <@quantumsummers> although I think asking infra would take little time +20:56 <@rich0> Well, the thing about git is that it is easy to migrate. +20:57 <@rich0> Just push to a new repository. +20:57 <@rich0> So, I'm all for getting something running now and migrating later. +20:57 <@rich0> But let's aim to get it on infra. +20:57 <@quantumsummers> I love git, been hosting my own setup (first gitosis now gitolite) for 5 years or so +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm concerned about the bus factor if its not on -infra hardware +20:57 <@rich0> Heck, you can just email bundles around if you have to. +20:57 <@quantumsummers> tis true +20:57 <@quantumsummers> let me see about infra real fast +20:58 <@rich0> Well, as long as it is published SOMEWHERE we can all clone. +20:58 <@rich0> And published on non-infra is better than what we have now. +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, agreed +20:58 <@rich0> But let's try to get infra going because that is the ideal state. +20:58 <@quantumsummers> poking them now +20:58 <@quantumsummers> we just need 1 repo +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other Business ? +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +20:58 <@quantumsummers> of course, submodules would be nice for a few things +20:58 <@dabbott> none here +20:59 <@rich0> nope +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> nothing from me +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, AoB ? +20:59 <@quantumsummers> nope +20:59 <@quantumsummers> err wait +20:59 <@quantumsummers> nope (ha ha) +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, AoB ? +20:59 <@quantumsummers> I did get the PO from google for GSOC this past year +21:00 <@quantumsummers> I need to add that to the bug +21:00 * quantumsummers hides +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Did you invoice too ? +21:00 <@quantumsummers> we were paid in December +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah ok +21:00 <@quantumsummers> Donnie does the invoicing +21:00 <@quantumsummers> I just collect the money and paperwork +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor +21:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2013/meeting-02-17.log b/2013/meeting-02-17.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..c44377a --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-02-17.log @@ -0,0 +1,286 @@ +20:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to open the Feb 17 Gentoo Trustees meeting +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Who do we have ? +20:00 * NeddySeagoon is here +20:00 < pengfield> hi neddy +20:00 <@dabbott> here +20:00 <@_robbat2|irssi> so missing quantumsummers? +20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, ? rich0 ? quantumsummers|c ? +20:01 <@dabbott> and rich0 +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum, so we can start +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Do you want to give them a few min ? +20:01 <@_robbat2|irssi> sure +20:01 <@dabbott> ok +20:02 <@_robbat2|irssi> say 5? +20:02 <@dabbott> rich0 wanted to go over his mail about Copyright Policies +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> I keep offering to post logs then not doing it. I won't offer this month +20:02 <@rich0> here... +20:02 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'll post up my logs +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> hi rich0 +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats 4 out of 5. quantumsummers|c can catch up ... +20:03 <@dabbott> i moved it to http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes/2013/ +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 3. Old Business +20:03 <@dabbott> for this year +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Copyright Policies ... over the rich0 +20:04 <@rich0> I sent out my proposed wording. +20:04 <@rich0> The only concrete change I got was from robbat2 and that was requiring a DCO signoff on every commit. +20:04 <@rich0> I'll add that to the email, with the details of how that is implemented tbd. +20:04 <@_robbat2|irssi> for the record, since the mail was only to trustees, proposed wording to an RFC on copyright +20:04 <@rich0> (commit comment, etc) +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> I was good with it subject ro _robbat2|irssi appraisal saying no changes as a result of FODEM meetings +20:05 <@rich0> Yes, and it will go out to -nfp once we're ok with the draft. +20:05 <@_robbat2|irssi> rich0: i'll see if I can edit in my DCO/fosdem notes into it +20:05 <@_robbat2|irssi> and send that to you later today +20:05 <@rich0> Sound sgood. +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm +20:06 <@rich0> Ok, I'll incorporate his suggestions, and send it out to -nfp. +20:06 <@rich0> It is only a proposal - everything is still subject to change anyway. +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> no need to have it reviewed on the alias again ... go for -nfp and -announce +20:06 <@rich0> ++ +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> we will pass on 501(c)(3) registration status as quantumsummers|c isn't here. If he shows up, we can come back to it +20:07 <@rich0> That's it for me. +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Foundation Activity Tracker Update ... rich0 nothing ? +20:08 <@rich0> Not till May. +20:08 <@rich0> That's a break. +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Bugs +20:08 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'll action bug 350759 myself +20:08 < willikins> _robbat2|irssi: https://bugs.gentoo.org/350759 "fix copyright in packages.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Infrastructure, gpackages - http://packages.gentoo.org/; IN_P; ago:trustees +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, do you need the policy agreed first ? +20:09 <@_robbat2|irssi> not really, it's just changing the footer +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:10 <@rich0> I'd just say update that page when we get to it. +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> any more bugs we need to discuss today ? +20:10 <@rich0> For any in-tree copyright notices those are likely to change a fair bit with new policy. +20:10 <@_robbat2|irssi> bug 443832 is relevant for today +20:12 <@_robbat2|irssi> i think for it, we need to outright admit that if there were any prior signed copyright assignments, we as the new trustees never got them +20:12 <@_robbat2|irssi> and do a blanket release +20:13 <@rich0> Release of what? Copyright back to the original holders? +20:14 <@_robbat2|irssi> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/copyright-assignment/assignment.txt?hideattic=0&revision=1.1&view=markup +20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, sounds good. IF there are any forms Grant may know about them but as he sent us what he had in 2008, I doubt he has them. +20:14 <@_robbat2|irssi> yeah, it's stuff that was mostly drobbins era +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:15 <@rich0> I understand the desire to figure out who signed what and when. +20:16 <@rich0> What I'm not understanding is why we would want to undo any agreements that have been signed. Perhaps I'm just missing something. +20:16 <@_robbat2|irssi> i also want to ask drobbins, klieber, dsd +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, if we do a blanket release, we don't need to name names +20:16 <@rich0> Release of what? +20:16 <@_robbat2|irssi> to make that bug public +20:16 <@_robbat2|irssi> rich0: the original copyright assignment document +20:17 <@rich0> What do you mean by "releasing" it exactly? +20:17 -!- quantumsummers [~yaaic@gentoo/developer/quantumsummers] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:17 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o quantumsummers] by ChanServ +20:17 <@_robbat2|irssi> we outright don't know who signed drobbin's original copyright assignment doc +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> hi quantumsummers +20:17 <@rich0> So? +20:18 <@rich0> Those who signed it assigned copyrights, and those who did not may or may not have done so. (That is probably murky legally.) +20:18 <@quantumsummers> sorry I'm late. +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> We do have drobbins assignment of copyright from GTI to the Foundation but thats all it says ... no original forms ever reached the 2008 Trustees +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> np quantumsummers +20:18 <@_robbat2|irssi> actually, sorry, my prior research did turn up one dev +20:19 <@_robbat2|irssi> that signed it definetly +20:19 <@_robbat2|irssi> but mostly we don't know +20:19 <@rich0> With the agreements in place the foundation has very clear legal ownership of copyright of some portion of our code base, and less clear ownership of the rest. If we "release" people from the agreement then we have less clear ownership of the whole thing. How is that an improvement? +20:19 <@quantumsummers> btw i am on my phone. sorry ... out of town. +20:19 <@rich0> Again, I might be missing some nuance here. +20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, the agreements, if any, are lost +20:20 <@rich0> So, why the need to "release" them? +20:20 <@_robbat2|irssi> 1. we would need the actual agreements to ever enforce it +20:20 <@rich0> Perhaps. +20:21 <@rich0> But we can't enforce it if we release it either. So how is that an improvement? +20:21 <@_robbat2|irssi> ah, there's another nuance for you +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> the release is of duties +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> it doesn't remove us owning the code +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> it simply removes the requirement that they MUST assign +20:22 <@quantumsummers> seems we have a pickle. +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> copying from the bug: +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> Proposed wording for now: +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> > Gentoo Foundation, Inc. does hereby release all individuals who have +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> > signed the contract known as the "Gentoo Technologies, Inc. Copyright +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> > Assignment Form" from any future duties and obligations of these +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> > individuals associated with that contract. As of this date any +20:22 <@_robbat2|irssi> > provision of that contract requiring any future duties is hereby +20:23 <@_robbat2|irssi> > nullified. +20:23 <@rich0> Is anybody actually asking for this relief? +20:23 <@rich0> Do they want to make new contributions that aren't assigned in the future? +20:24 <@quantumsummers> what Robin states seems fine for some of things and less fine for others. +20:24 <@rich0> (That actually is something we should cover in any FLA - the period of time it applies to, and the ability to declare that at some point future contributions are no longer covered, but not the retroactive ability to unassign past ones). +20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, in practice nobody has legally assigned copyright since the drobbins days ... its all very murky. +20:24 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, agreed. We /might/ be able to make a case that we have it, but it is murky at best. +20:25 <@rich0> But, my question is really, what exactly is broken? Is anybody being harmed by our failure to issue some kind of release? +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I think that what we do about the past may come from a policy, when we have one +20:25 <@rich0> If not, I'd suggest waiting until somebody asks us for one. +20:26 <@_robbat2|irssi> if anybody still around has agreed to the past policy, they should agree to the FLA again, and not try and say that i signed before +20:26 <@rich0> If harm is being done I'm all for taking action, but it seems unclear what is best at the moment. I agree with NeddySeagoon that the appropriate action may be more clear when we have a policy. +20:26 <@_robbat2|irssi> but if we want to postpone until we have the new policy, that's reasonable +20:26 <@_robbat2|irssi> and just enact it at the same time +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> I would wait until we have a policy in place. If all we require is a licence (not copyright) then we should make that retroactive +20:26 <@rich0> Makes sense. +20:26 <@rich0> Let's get the future cleared up, then we can go back and clean up the past. +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +20:27 * NeddySeagoon wants a ride in rich0s time machine +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more buds for today ? +20:27 * rich0 likes the leather seats and sunroof in the time machine. +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> bugs? +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you want to say anything on 501(c)(3) registration status and the CPA. I'm aware you are on your 'phone +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll take the pause as a 'its too difficult to type' :) +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> 7. Advertising Requests +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> link to www.fabrooms.de +20:30 < pengfield> that would be me +20:30 <@quantumsummers> laggy. sorry. nothing to report re financials. I do have got repos for us now. I need to push some stuff including all financial data for the foundations history. +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks for the update +20:32 <@_robbat2|irssi> sorry was afk for a sec +20:33 <@_robbat2|irssi> re the advertising request +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> yes - a link from g.org/main/en/sponsors.xml link. +20:34 <@_robbat2|irssi> pengfield's request isn't the first that had a side of google pagerank effect +20:34 <@_robbat2|irssi> but the prior ones had been hardware sponsors +20:34 < pengfield> there are some that aren't +20:35 <@_robbat2|irssi> pengfield: aren't in which way? +20:35 -!- quantumsummers [~yaaic@gentoo/developer/quantumsummers] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] +20:36 <@_robbat2|irssi> some of our existing sponsors donated to us explicitly because they wanted the pagerank, they happened to use gentoo already so they qualified +20:36 < pengfield> well there are links to a christmas card manufakturer, toner etc. +20:36 < pengfield> so am I. so they donated goods? +20:36 <@_robbat2|irssi> err a christmas card manuf? +20:36 <@_robbat2|irssi> where do you see that on the sponsor page? +20:36 < pengfield> yeh :-) +20:37 < pengfield> "Kartenzia is a young start-up based in germany...." +20:37 <@rich0> My sense is that hardware and money are fungible at some level. I think the main considerations for listing sponsorships should be some kind of connection to Gentoo (using Gentoo, contributing, etc), and some kind of reasonably fair equivalence in the value of any donations. +20:37 <@_robbat2|irssi> hotelkatalog24, indoorcycling, kartenzia donate servers +20:37 <@_robbat2|irssi> from ovh/hetzner etc +20:38 < pengfield> ah, ok +20:38 <@_robbat2|irssi> ditto kredit, buchhorn, tintenalarm +20:38 <@_robbat2|irssi> so what the question really should be +20:38 <@_robbat2|irssi> is twofold: +20:38 <@_robbat2|irssi> assuming we keep the must-use-gentoo requirement +20:39 <@_robbat2|irssi> 1. are sponsors donating to boost their pagerank acceptable +20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> thats a given +20:39 <@_robbat2|irssi> 2. what's the fair value of donations? +20:39 <@rich0> Many orgs would just focus on monetary value, but the tradition in Gentoo has been to look more towards some kind of connection, and we'd probably want to discuss any move to outright buying of placement on -nfp. I suspect it would not be popular with our culture. +20:39 <@_robbat2|irssi> i would want to keep the must-use-gentoo requirement +20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> +1 +20:40 <@rich0> I'm fine with #1. Most don't outright say it, but I suspect it is a major consideration for some (not all, and perhaps not even most). +20:40 < pengfield> I am not just wanting to "buy" a link. It's also about supporting the project, buying links can be done anywhere especially on sites that are more in the area I am focusing on. +20:40 <@_robbat2|irssi> but the slippery slope of donating for pagerank is happening, and I would like some outright approval from trustees of it +20:41 -!- quantumsummers [~yaaic@gentoo/developer/quantumsummers] has joined #gentoo-trustees +20:41 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o quantumsummers] by ChanServ +20:41 <@rich0> I think the current community-approved stance is that we can accept money for sponsor listings as long as there is some kind of real connection to Gentoo (ie using it, etc). +20:41 <@dabbott> _robbat2|irssi: as an example what does Kartenzia donate +20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, we have a cash sponsors policy endorsed by members, if we want to deviate from it, we would need to hold a vote of the members again +20:42 <@rich0> I don't think the pagerank benefits really change that - and switching to "nofollow" links and such would be a big change. If contribution has some kind of benefit I'm fine with that, though if it becomes too big if we ever get 401c status we might have to declare what that is. +20:42 <@_robbat2|irssi> dabbott: kartenzia & indoorcycling collectively donate one server to infra +20:43 <@_robbat2|irssi> i think pricing for that box at OVH is around 100EUR/mo, it's one of the nicer servers +20:45 <@dabbott> pengfield: would you be willing to do something similar +20:45 < pengfield> actually I was hoping for a one time donation and not something recurring +20:45 <@_robbat2|irssi> wrt to the existing cash sponsors policy, it was explicitly because kartenzia/indoor-cycling (well, their common sysadmin) didn't want to write up the document required +20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> pengfield, a one time donation for the link to last how long ? +20:46 -!- quantumsummers [~yaaic@gentoo/developer/quantumsummers] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] +20:46 < pengfield> basically permanent +20:47 < pengfield> they way I see it, without a link I would probably ever only donate for the amount of EUR50 or so. If I could get a link I would be willing to pay EUR200-EUR250 for it. +20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats a new suggestion ... I think we would want to consider that outside of the meeting +20:48 <@_robbat2|irssi> so that's more in line with the prior one-time hardware donations +20:48 < pengfield> fair enough +20:48 <@_robbat2|irssi> than any ongoing donations +20:48 < pengfield> yeh +20:48 <@_robbat2|irssi> the closest prior art we have +20:48 <@_robbat2|irssi> is OSTC +20:49 <@_robbat2|irssi> the polish financial trading company +20:49 <@_robbat2|irssi> but their donation was an order of magnitude larger than what you're proposing, and the explicitly couldn't donate hardware due to local law stuff +20:50 <@_robbat2|irssi> *they explictly +20:50 <@rich0> Looking at quantumsummers|c interview with them, that was also a pretty big and noteworthy Gentoo install as well. +20:50 < pengfield> I unfortunately don't have the same sort of backing as OSTC... +20:50 <@rich0> pengfield, a problem we both share. :) +20:50 < pengfield> :-) +20:50 <@_robbat2|irssi> pengfield: how big is your gentoo deployment then? +20:51 < pengfield> nothing noteworthy, I have one server and one pc... +20:51 < pengfield> server is running nagios etc... +20:52 <@_robbat2|irssi> the cash sponsor policy did propose fractional stuff, and we have the sidebar code for it, but what should the cutoff point be? +20:52 <@dabbott> pengfield: i understand and want to make sure you understand that i appreciate your offer of support +20:53 < pengfield> dabbot: no prob, I understand your dilemma. It's more of a bigger-picture question you're asking then my donation it seems to me +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, thats sidebar though, not sponsors page +20:53 <@rich0> My personal sense is that the proposed contribution isn't really on the same level as those of our other listed sponsors. We certainly do value all our supporters - there are countless who contribute money, time, effort, encouragement, etc and most remain fairly unacknowledged. +20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> pengfield, whatever we agree with your will set a precedent for others ... +20:53 <@_robbat2|irssi> we should put together another large thanks list from the last year of paypal donations +20:54 <@_robbat2|irssi> maybe we can take a page from OSL's donation drive years ago +20:54 <@rich0> _robbat2|irssi, ++ I think we can't do enough to thank those who contribute in one way or another. +20:54 <@_robbat2|irssi> as background, in prior OSL donation drives +20:54 <@rich0> And countless contribute just by offering help on user forums and such. +20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> lets discuss this further ... we have learned a lot from today and need to digest in the light of any precedent we may set +20:55 <@_robbat2|irssi> they collected funds and put up small signs on their racks, log(donation) scaled your font size +20:55 < pengfield> sounds reasonable to me. +20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> pengfield, we might even kick off something new based on your offer ... +20:56 <@rich0> pengfield, thanks for bearing with us as we work through this stuff. And thanks all the same for your support in whatever ways you can offer it! +20:56 < pengfield> hehe, glad to hear it. My offer is on the table and you can contact me anytime, even for another meeting :-) +20:56 <@_robbat2|irssi> crazy idea: say paypal donations 0-A get your name, A-B link, B-C link+blurb etc, in a regular news posting thanking donations? +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> pengfield, we will be here on the 3rd Sunday in March. As there is no resolution, it will be on the MArch agenda +20:57 <@_robbat2|irssi> not the sponsorship page, but still getting recognition +20:57 <@_robbat2|irssi> but need to work in the sidebar to that as well +20:57 <@_robbat2|irssi> maybe easier if we publish sidebar as actual ad rates +20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> lets take it to the alias ... +20:57 <@_robbat2|irssi> yeah +20:58 <@_robbat2|irssi> we're at 1 hour already +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> pengfield, thanks for your time and your offer +20:58 <@dabbott> i could commit to doing the "regular news posting thanking donations" +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Cleanup ... +20:58 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'll post up the log as I said at hte start +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 17 Mar 2013 19:00 UTC +20:58 < pengfield> dabbott: makes sense +20:58 <@rich0> wfm +20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> me too +20:59 <@_robbat2|irssi> wfm +20:59 < pengfield> thanks all and dabbott please let me know how the decision goes one way or the other +20:59 <@dabbott> pengfield: will do +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +20:59 < pengfield> c u all! +20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ? +20:59 -!- pengfield [~Adium@178-26-236-122-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] +20:59 <@rich0> yes? +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> AoB ? +21:00 <@rich0> no +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ? +21:00 <@dabbott> non here +21:00 <@_robbat2|irssi> none from me +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> thats odd _robbat2|irssi you alway have something :) +21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> PayPal Dispute ... what are we doing about it, +21:01 <@_robbat2|irssi> real life has been busy for me, and my foundation business was focused on the actual agenda of copyright stuff instead of AoBZ +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +21:01 <@_robbat2|irssi> who has the paypal login? I couldn't find it in my notes +21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, for one. +21:01 <@dabbott> quantumsummers|c: ^^ +21:01 <@rich0> paypal dispute? +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, don't you get our PayPal emais ? +21:02 <@dabbott> someond donated 20 now is disputing it :) +21:02 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'll liase with the compliant if you want, but i didn't see his original donation email either +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> +l +21:02 <@rich0> normally I do... +21:02 <@_robbat2|irssi> he claimed item not recieved +21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi I'll forward the mail to the alias +21:03 <@_robbat2|irssi> i have the dispute email, but not the original dontation email +21:03 <@dabbott> i never saw it +21:03 <@_robbat2|irssi> that's why I wanted the login +21:03 <@dabbott> strange +21:03 <@_robbat2|irssi> to go and look up the transaction +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> How do you tie them together - I will have the original mail. +21:04 <@_robbat2|irssi> the dispute email has the transaction id +21:04 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'll pm it to you as well +21:04 <@_robbat2|irssi> date was feb 11th +21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah OK, I'll see what I can find +21:04 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: you look up the tranaction to see if it is legit +21:04 <@_robbat2|irssi> which should be unique enough anyway +21:04 <@_robbat2|irssi> we don't get that many donations +21:05 <@_robbat2|irssi> feb 11th for $20 +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, I'll look after the meeting +21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will post the log? _robbat2|irssi has offered +21:05 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'll do log +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page? dabbott gets of lightly this month +21:06 <@dabbott> _robbat2|irssi: could you do Jan also ? +21:06 <@_robbat2|irssi> if my client was here yes +21:06 <@_robbat2|irssi> i'll check and do it if possible +21:06 <@_robbat2|irssi> since I was awol myself +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will send emails? - none to send +21:06 <@_robbat2|irssi> who's doing minutes? +21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +21:06 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: see if you have Jan +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, we don't do minutes +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok +21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll wrestle with cvs if I do before _robbat2|irssi converts it to git +21:08 * rich0 dreams of never having to look at cvs again.... Dreams that turn into rcs file nightmares... +21:08 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2013/meeting-03-17.log b/2013/meeting-03-17.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..5380361 --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-03-17.log @@ -0,0 +1,202 @@ +20:00 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: FYI, I'll end up having to go mobile in about 20 min - suggest we cover copyrights early and for the activity tracker I don't believe there is anything new, but I'll take any requests for updated via email. +20:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the March 17, 2013 Gentoo Foundation Inc., Trustees Meeting +20:01 <@quantumsummers> hello +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +20:01 <@dabbott> hi everyone +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> hi quantumsummers ... roll call +20:01 <@rich0> here +20:01 <@dabbott> here +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> we have a quorum -lets start +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Copyright Policies .. rich0 ? +20:02 <@rich0> Well, sounds like there aren't any complaints with the proposal - next step is to create an actual policy. +20:03 <@rich0> I'd like to suggest making DCO signoff on each commit optional until we're on git. +20:03 <@rich0> That is, unless somebody comes up with a proposal for how to do it without much overhead. +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0 I don't have a problem with small steps ... anything has to be an improvement +20:04 <@rich0> Otherwise we can start circulating wording - style should be less explanatory and more actionable than previous communications. +20:04 <@robbat2> hi +20:04 <@robbat2> sorry a few mins late +20:04 <@rich0> ie, when doing commits do a,b,c +20:04 <@robbat2> doing it without overhead: repoman +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, will you draft something, since you seem to be running with this so far ? +20:04 <@rich0> Sure, happy to draft something. +20:04 <@rich0> robbat2: we can chat offline about that if you want. I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't create stress for devs. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its got to be visible to the commiter - every time +20:05 <@rich0> If it just gets auto-added to commit messages with some kind of confirmation that the dev is Ok with it that is fine by me. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ++ +20:05 <@rich0> I just don't want to end up having a strict format on commit messages and repoman yells at you if it isn't there. git -s makes it easy +20:05 <@robbat2> ok, we can discuss that w/ zmedico re implementation then +20:05 <@rich0> agreed +20:06 <@rich0> Oh, what level of legal counsel do we want on this, if any? +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> any more on copyright ? +20:06 <@rich0> We'll have an FLA, a DCO, and a policy statement. +20:06 <@quantumsummers> +1 for me +20:06 <@rich0> I'll prioritize the last two. +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> we want to run it by legal before it becomes policy but after its been on -nfp +20:06 <@rich0> WFM +20:07 <@dabbott> +1 +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> any more on copyright ? +20:07 <@rich0> nothing here +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Financial | Legal Status +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Certified Public Accountant +20:08 <@quantumsummers> nothing terribly interesting. Getting a head start on our filings. Need to push some files to our repo, will try to get to that this afternoon. +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds pretty boring :( +20:08 <@quantumsummers> I also need to order some checks (cheques) +20:09 <@quantumsummers> will do that on Monday +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> 501(c)(3) registration status +20:09 <@quantumsummers> I think I will get the sort that have stubs +20:09 <@quantumsummers> no change in status +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, has already said no change to the Foundation Activity Tracker +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> 4. Bugs +20:10 <@rich0> Yup, send any update requests to me offline +20:11 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: if we ever get anything more actionable on that possible license violation email I suggest we log that as a bug, but I don't think we have enough to do anything with that yet. +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +20:11 <@rich0> Should be a private bug though - sensitive issue. +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> yep. Its NEEDINFO right now +20:11 <@rich0> (FYI - for the record - Gentoo hasn't been accused of any license violations.) +20:12 <@rich0> Just don't want any libel. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to go through the bug list? +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> only 445584 is new +20:12 <@dabbott> i don't see anything +20:13 <@robbat2> bug 445584 looks more like it's pending on IEEE +20:13 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/445584 "sys-apps/hwids: {iab,oui}.txt isn't "freely distributable""; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; CONF; ulm:flameeyes +20:13 <@rich0> I don't think 445584 has anything actionable on our part there - no risk to Gentoo that I see. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to keep an eye on it ? +20:14 <@robbat2> nope, i think drop trustees from it +20:14 <@robbat2> comment 5 said RedHat was contacting IEEE +20:14 <@robbat2> ulm wanted to know if it could be public-domain meanwhile +20:14 <@rich0> works for me - in general I don't see the need for us to follow every licensing issue unless the licensing team or somebody else asks us to. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +20:15 <@rich0> (ie, we should be an escalation point, not a starting point) +20:15 <@robbat2> ok, i'll send it back to licenses@ and let it be public-domain for now +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:15 <@rich0> Sounds good - the main time I'd want the trustees closely involved is if we got some kind of notice of violation from a 3rd party, etc. That means legal risk/etc and we need to show due diligence. +20:16 <@rich0> Licensing team does a good job. +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:16 <@dabbott> yep +20:16 <@rich0> Question - all those GSCO invoices - anything going on there.? +20:16 <@rich0> err, GSOC +20:16 <@rich0> No need to rehash, it just seems like those have been open for ages and I'm not sure how much if any money is still floating out there waiting for us to ask for it. +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ^^^ +20:17 <@quantumsummers> reordering checks and I will close it out +20:17 <@quantumsummers> or do you mean the google invoices +20:18 <@quantumsummers> I have them all up to date +20:18 <@quantumsummers> we can keep that bug around or close it now and open it when we need it again, doesnt matter +20:18 <@rich0> I'd close it and open a new one each year. +20:18 <@quantumsummers> could just forget the bug and put the files in a repo too +20:18 <@rich0> It seems like it needs action if it is open. +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats cleaner +20:18 <@quantumsummers> I like having them all in one bug +20:19 <@quantumsummers> but will defer, no biggie +20:19 <@rich0> Oh, and for historical record, by all means stick them in the repo. I'd like to see stuff going there from the start in the future - less bus factor. +20:19 <@quantumsummers> will put this in a repo anyway +20:19 <@quantumsummers> yessir +20:19 <@rich0> If you really want to re-open and re-summary it annually it isn't a big deal, but I don't like open bugs that aren't really open. +20:19 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:19 <@quantumsummers> that one can be closed then +20:20 <@quantumsummers> also FTR we have been paid in fill +20:20 <@quantumsummers> **full +20:20 <@quantumsummers> for all years +20:20 <@rich0> Excellent! +20:20 -!- jmbsvicetto [~jmbsvicet@gentoo/developer/jmbsvicetto] has quit [Quit: leaving] +20:20 <@robbat2> nice +20:21 <@quantumsummers> nice it is +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> That brings us to Cleanup +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 21 Apr 2013 19:00 UTC +20:21 <@quantumsummers> wtf +20:21 <@quantumsummers> mem +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> works for me +20:21 <@quantumsummers> WFM! +20:21 <@rich0> wfm +20:21 <@robbat2> checking cal +20:22 <@dabbott> fine here +20:22 <@quantumsummers> (must be typing wtf a lot these days) +20:22 <@robbat2> no conflicts on my cal +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +20:22 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: how we doing on infra needs? (ssl, servers, gear, etc, etc) +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ^^ +20:22 <@robbat2> ssl, I need to put together my plans into a bug w/ a funding request +20:23 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:23 <@robbat2> server-wise, we're mostly happy for the moment, we've been decommisioning some of the oldest boxes that were underutillized and very aging +20:23 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: good +20:23 <@quantumsummers> @trustees +20:23 <@robbat2> sparrow.g.o is the most recent retirement, a few days short of 8 years of active gentoo services +20:23 <@quantumsummers> wow, fine machine that one +20:24 <@quantumsummers> OSUOSL has privately asked us (via me) if we can foot some of our bill +20:24 <@quantumsummers> Lance said he would send me a proposal, but that was 4 weeks back +20:24 <@quantumsummers> sounded like ~500 USD/month +20:24 <@rich0> I need to go mobile - don't wait for me if you don't need me on a vote, but I will try to monitor what remains of the meeting... +20:24 <@quantumsummers> they have run into budget issues or something +20:25 <@robbat2> is that paying for electrical, bandwidth, or manpower? +20:25 <@quantumsummers> anyway, from my end, it looks like we could easily do that as long as it was not a long term proposition +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> lets wait until we see the proposal ... +20:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: electrical and bandwidth +20:25 <@quantumsummers> mainly electrical iirc +20:25 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: surely, but I wanted to give a heads up to expect something in the ballpark +20:26 <@quantumsummers> we are not obligated, but it would be a good idea to help them out if we can +20:26 <@quantumsummers> since we depend so heavily +20:26 <@robbat2> if electrical, we can probably do better by updating some of hardware, to use less power +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that sounds like its more than our regular monthly income ... +20:26 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: couldn't hurt +20:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we are averaging ~1000 iirc +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I'll run the new numbers soon, so I'll have a better idea +20:27 <@robbat2> is that with the GSOC averaged? +20:27 <@quantumsummers> no +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Ah, ok. $500/month won't be too painful then +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I do not count gsoc in, just paypal +20:27 <@robbat2> ok, that's not too bad then +20:27 <@robbat2> i thought we were way less +20:27 <@quantumsummers> right, and if we do say a year +20:27 <@quantumsummers> it will ahve little impact on our total deposits +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I with robbat2 for updating hardware to reduce operating costs on power +20:28 <@quantumsummers> sure. we should do that regardless +20:28 <@quantumsummers> just to keep things sane +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:28 <@quantumsummers> I enabled the conservative governor on my servers and am saving ~$50 a month +20:28 <@quantumsummers> about 1/3 in savings +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats impressive. +20:29 <@quantumsummers> I don't have a lot of load currently +20:29 <@quantumsummers> should just turn off a bunch of cores really +20:29 <@robbat2> on the $work sides, we've gained 6A by moving from older 75% efficency PSUs to 92%+ ones +20:29 <@robbat2> *efficiency +20:29 <@quantumsummers> nice +20:30 <@quantumsummers> also electrical is really expensive in my colo +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> I moved 4 boxes into KVMs and saved ?40/month ... which pays for the hardware over a year +20:30 <@robbat2> yup +20:30 <@quantumsummers> that covers my AoB +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ? +20:31 <@dabbott> none here :) +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, AoB ? +20:31 <@robbat2> i said mine already re ssl +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> :) +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> We briefly discussed a permanent link in exchange for a small one time payment - I don't see how we can make that work, so I suggest not doing it +20:32 <@quantumsummers> +1 +20:33 <@quantumsummers> we are not a link farm +20:33 <@dabbott> +1 +20:33 <@robbat2> one of the other OSS teams I do also had this discussion recently, they decided to strictly keep it tied to time limits +20:33 <@robbat2> and charge a lot more for their links +20:33 <@robbat2> like $200/mo for the top ones +20:33 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: we could, in theory, build this sort of thing into the sidebar app +20:34 <@quantumsummers> with time limits +20:34 <@robbat2> yep +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> That might work. We have never been offered that - its simpler not to do it at all +20:34 <@robbat2> that's what it was built for +20:34 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, that more closely models our hardware sponsors +20:34 <@quantumsummers> yes, (not considering the time bit, but no biggie there) +20:35 <@quantumsummers> if we did this, it would be considered unrelated income, which will be interesting to the cpa. easily dealt with though +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, well, if we can factor appearances so the values to gentoo match +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets toke it off line on the alias +20:36 <@quantumsummers> also, we dont really need that income so much, but it could help with osuosl support and so forth +20:36 <@robbat2> anyway, that is if we did go with the need for income +20:36 <@quantumsummers> toke it NeddySeagoon? +20:36 <@quantumsummers> ;) +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> take* +20:36 <@quantumsummers> hippy +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs - there are no emails nor motions +20:37 * quantumsummers straightens his tie +20:37 <@quantumsummers> ok thanks NeddySeagoon +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +20:37 <@dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon +20:38 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gale to close the meeting diff --git a/2013/meeting-04-21.log b/2013/meeting-04-21.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..bfb845b --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-04-21.log @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +Apr 21 15:08:08 <quantumsummers|c> roll call +Apr 21 15:08:12 <dabbott> here +Apr 21 15:08:16 <quantumsummers|c> here +Apr 21 15:08:18 <rich0> here +Apr 21 15:08:23 <quantumsummers|c> quorum +Apr 21 15:08:42 * rich0 notes that next month we should announce the next election recording date in June. No action needed now. +Apr 21 15:08:58 <quantumsummers|c> Motion: move all items to email, call open floor, and close the official meeting +Apr 21 15:09:00 <dabbott> who is up +Apr 21 15:09:26 <quantumsummers|c> oops, rich0 noted +Apr 21 15:09:39 <quantumsummers|c> seems like I am up perhaps +Apr 21 15:09:42 <rich0> quantumsummers|c: fine by me, but any motions (if any) should be posted +Apr 21 15:09:55 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: certainly +Apr 21 15:10:11 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to bluebottle +Apr 21 15:10:32 <bluebottle> Sorry I'm late +Apr 21 15:10:39 <dabbott> I think robbat2 is also up +Apr 21 15:10:50 <quantumsummers|c> bluebottle: hello, no prob +Apr 21 15:11:17 <bluebottle> I'm on 1024x600 - can someone else run the meeeting please +Apr 21 15:11:33 <quantumsummers|c> bluebottle: already taken it +Apr 21 15:11:41 <bluebottle> quantumsummers|c, thanks +Apr 21 15:12:08 <quantumsummers|c> bluebottle: if you agree, we will move the meeting items (few if anything) to email, call open floor and end the meeting early. +Apr 21 15:12:20 <_robbat21irssi> back +Apr 21 15:12:32 <dabbott> hi _robbat21irssi +Apr 21 15:13:17 <bluebottle> quantumsummers|c, seconded +Apr 21 15:13:55 <_robbat21irssi> i votr aye, but ask one thing +Apr 21 15:14:03 <quantumsummers|c> ask away +Apr 21 15:14:14 <_robbat21irssi> the prior business re donating to osl per lance's request +Apr 21 15:14:33 <_robbat21irssi> any objections to it? +Apr 21 15:14:34 <bluebottle> I have not seen the request +Apr 21 15:14:46 <_robbat21irssi> quantumsummers|c: mentioned it last meeting +Apr 21 15:14:49 <quantumsummers|c> right. no objections but we need a proposal/request +Apr 21 15:14:53 <bluebottle> but no objections to a regular donation +Apr 21 15:14:55 <quantumsummers|c> I have not received anything from him +Apr 21 15:15:02 <_robbat21irssi> but there wasn't any further detail +Apr 21 15:15:05 <_robbat21irssi> ah +Apr 21 15:15:08 <quantumsummers|c> right +Apr 21 15:15:22 <quantumsummers|c> he had mentioned ~$500 per month to assist in the shortfall +Apr 21 15:15:37 <rich0> Suggest taking to email/bugzilla. Would want to discuss the details. +Apr 21 15:15:38 <quantumsummers|c> but stated he would provide a formal proposal +Apr 21 15:15:42 <quantumsummers|c> yes +Apr 21 15:15:43 <quantumsummers|c> agree +Apr 21 15:15:47 <quantumsummers|c> I can file a bug +Apr 21 15:15:50 <quantumsummers|c> now +Apr 21 15:16:03 <rich0> At $500/month we should probably determine if we really need everything they're providing us (the answer might be yes, but we should be sure). +Apr 21 15:16:07 <_robbat21irssi> please do, and i'll remind him re proposal +Apr 21 15:16:08 <bluebottle> ot poke lance, or both +Apr 21 15:16:39 <_robbat21irssi> rich0 for what we're getting, it's a bargain +Apr 21 15:16:44 <bluebottle> rich0, $500/month is way below cost +Apr 21 15:17:04 <rich0> My question wasn't so much whether we're getting our money's worth, but do we NEED what we're getting. +Apr 21 15:17:14 <rich0> Happy to take it off the meeting, though. +Apr 21 15:17:55 <quantumsummers|c> bug 466716 +Apr 21 15:18:01 <_robbat21irssi> need: yes, for both releng+infra +Apr 21 15:18:10 <_robbat21irssi> but i'll back it up in the bug +Apr 21 15:18:37 <quantumsummers|c> I will close Bug 418203 Google Summer of Code Invoices, I have uploaded 2012 now +Apr 21 15:18:48 <bluebottle> ok +Apr 21 15:18:51 <quantumsummers|c> ( will re-open for 2013) +Apr 21 15:18:53 <rich0> Thanks - that really applys to any infra we consume - just want to make sure we're getting use out of what we're consuming, even if it is free to us. +Apr 21 15:19:15 <rich0> Infra's word is good enough - just want to make sure it was considered. +Apr 21 15:19:47 <rich0> quantumsummers|c: up to you, but you might consider opening a new one each year. Either that, or make it clear in a comment what is and isn't pending. +Apr 21 15:20:14 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: sure. although now we have 2006 - 2012 all in one bug +Apr 21 15:20:24 <bluebottle> We should review the need and the amount every year +Apr 21 15:20:35 <bluebottle> ignore that +Apr 21 15:20:38 <quantumsummers|c> bluebottle: agreed +Apr 21 15:21:01 <quantumsummers|c> for my limited use (1/2 rack) I pay ~800 per month +Apr 21 15:21:13 <bluebottle> my display system just died permanently :( +Apr 21 15:21:18 <quantumsummers|c> includes bandwidth, power, etc +Apr 21 15:21:22 <quantumsummers|c> bluebottle: ouch +Apr 21 15:21:52 * bluebottle hopes its the video card ... +Apr 21 15:22:30 <_robbat21irssi> anyway, thx, anything else to email +Apr 21 15:22:37 <quantumsummers|c> ok, I'm going to call open floor now +Apr 21 15:22:53 <quantumsummers|c> Formal Agenda has been moved to email. +Apr 21 15:22:57 <quantumsummers|c> Open Floor! +Apr 21 15:23:01 <quantumsummers|c> any takers? +Apr 21 15:23:17 <quantumsummers|c> going once +Apr 21 15:23:24 <quantumsummers|c> going twice... +Apr 21 15:23:42 <quantumsummers|c> three times a lady? anyone? Bueller? Bueller? +Apr 21 15:23:50 <quantumsummers|c> Open Floor is closed +Apr 21 15:23:58 <quantumsummers|c> Here endeth this meeting. diff --git a/2013/meeting-05-19.log b/2013/meeting-05-19.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..a6d9559 --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-05-19.log @@ -0,0 +1,215 @@ +May 19 15:01:35 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the May 19, 2013 Gentoo Foundation Inc. trustees meeting. +May 19 15:01:50 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call. +May 19 15:02:00 <_robbat2|irssi> yo +May 19 15:02:03 <dabbott> here +May 19 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, quantumsummers rich0 dabbott +May 19 15:02:12 <NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +May 19 15:02:52 <_robbat2|irssi> give rich0 and quantumsummers a few mins? +May 19 15:03:02 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, said he may be on the road. I guess quantumsummers might be busy too +May 19 15:03:06 <NeddySeagoon> OK +May 19 15:06:18 <NeddySeagoon> Lets start, the three of us is a quorum ... we can update rich0 and quantumsummers if they join +May 19 15:06:30 <_robbat2|irssi> ok +May 19 15:06:52 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, It looks like you are first with Initiate Trustee Election +May 19 15:07:40 <dabbott> I am just following this http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/activities/trustee-election.xml +May 19 15:08:21 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thats fine. After today, its update the members list and have elections kick it off. +May 19 15:08:58 <dabbott> got it jmbsvicetto said he will be busy not sure who can do it +May 19 15:09:37 <dabbott> maybe Tommy[D] +May 19 15:09:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I can do some of it if we are stuck but as a trustee, I would rather not. +May 19 15:09:41 <_robbat2|irssi> given that i'm not running again, I can be an EO for this one +May 19 15:10:06 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, thanks. +May 19 15:10:44 <NeddySeagoon> We may as well move onto bugs. +May 19 15:11:12 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 466716 +May 19 15:11:30 <_robbat2|irssi> hmm, where is that bot! +May 19 15:11:51 <NeddySeagoon> I think we need a vote on this one so that quantumsummers has a mandate to write the cheque +May 19 15:11:58 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, its a secure bug +May 19 15:12:21 <_robbat2|irssi> (the bot is also awol) +May 19 15:12:49 <dabbott> we were going for yearly this year correct +May 19 15:13:28 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, for this year only. Next year, OUSL has other fundraising plans +May 19 15:13:29 <_robbat2|irssi> is there any discussion needed from y'all? +May 19 15:13:41 <NeddySeagoon> Not really - +May 19 15:13:45 <NeddySeagoon> I vote Aye +May 19 15:13:51 <_robbat2|irssi> <hat type="infra">I fully support the OSL donation plan</hat> +May 19 15:13:51 <dabbott> none here i vote yes +May 19 15:13:55 <_robbat2|irssi> I also vote aye +May 19 15:14:16 <dabbott> quantumsummers: cut the check +May 19 15:14:20 <NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried. Would someone update the bug please? +May 19 15:14:49 <dabbott> ok will do +May 19 15:15:15 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 429578. Should there be some attachments by now ? +May 19 15:15:36 * NeddySeagoon looks at _robbat2|irssi +May 19 15:16:03 <_robbat2|irssi> that's a really old bug, it was infra looking for any docs that trustees other than me had +May 19 15:16:48 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, do we need it? We may not have an infra- rep on the board next year +May 19 15:17:40 <_robbat2|irssi> more specifically, we're looking for the ones for the boxes purchased with the gsoc funds a few years ago, plus the ganeti boxes purchased last year +May 19 15:17:57 <_robbat2|irssi> i think quantumsummers has all of them +May 19 15:18:18 <NeddySeagoon> ok, we do need it then ... lets leave the bug for now. +May 19 15:19:26 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, having an -infra guy on the board has worked really well four us this year. Is there another -infra person that we might prevail on to stand ? +May 19 15:19:52 <_robbat2|irssi> i can ask them to consider running, but most of them are quite busy +May 19 15:19:57 <_robbat2|irssi> while i'm not planning on running +May 19 15:20:04 <_robbat2|irssi> i am willing to keep attending meetings +May 19 15:20:33 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, that would work - an non-exec, non-voting board member +May 19 15:21:40 <NeddySeagoon> I don't think we need to review any other bugs today +May 19 15:22:19 <NeddySeagoon> That brings us to Membership Applications. +May 19 15:22:47 <NeddySeagoon> As they are all Gentoo Devs, I thihnk we can deal with them in one vote. +May 19 15:23:07 <NeddySeagoon> All those in favour our our 7 new members please say Aye +May 19 15:23:11 <_robbat2|irssi> aye +May 19 15:23:15 <NeddySeagoon> Aye. +May 19 15:23:27 <dabbott> yes to all +May 19 15:23:43 <NeddySeagoon> Motion carried - I'll do the emails. +May 19 15:23:54 <dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon +May 19 15:24:38 <NeddySeagoon> I thought we had an Advertising Request ... it was more a paid suppoer ad request +May 19 15:24:55 <_robbat2|irssi> hmm, let me check my email +May 19 15:25:19 <dabbott> someone wanted to wire us a donation +May 19 15:25:25 <_robbat2|irssi> ah right +May 19 15:25:50 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, was going to take care of it +May 19 15:25:56 <dabbott> quantumsummers: was going to check into it through paypal or the bank +May 19 15:26:10 <_robbat2|irssi> yeah, we don't have any other details of who the donor is even +May 19 15:26:16 <_robbat2|irssi> other than an email address that's quite anonymous +May 19 15:26:24 <NeddySeagoon> I can't find the email. Maybe it was last month +May 19 15:26:31 <_robbat2|irssi> may 13th +May 19 15:26:46 <dabbott> i forwarded it from pr@ +May 19 15:26:48 <_robbat2|irssi> subjects 'Re: Donation' and 'Fwd: Donation' +May 19 15:26:57 <NeddySeagoon> Not that one ... the paid support ad request +May 19 15:27:45 <_robbat2|irssi> ah there , apr 1st +May 19 15:27:50 <_robbat2|irssi> Subject: Comercial Gentoo support +May 19 15:27:59 <_robbat2|irssi> Ixit.cz +May 19 15:28:39 <_robbat2|irssi> i see no issues if Tomas sent him to us +May 19 15:28:59 <_robbat2|irssi> just need to get ad copy from him for the paid support page +May 19 15:29:13 <NeddySeagoon> Me neither. +May 19 15:29:19 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, yep. +May 19 15:29:41 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you want to follow up please ? +May 19 15:29:58 <dabbott> I think he want to provide support to people using Gentoo commercially +May 19 15:30:17 <_robbat2|irssi> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/consultants.xml +May 19 15:30:24 <_robbat2|irssi> was the page to put them on +May 19 15:30:29 <_robbat2|irssi> like axant +May 19 15:30:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yes - we can give him an ad on the paid support page. +May 19 15:30:52 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, thats it +May 19 15:31:00 <dabbott> ok I will get with him +May 19 15:31:05 <_robbat2|irssi> hmm, we should also ask bonsaikitten if his support offering is still open, as the link is dead +May 19 15:31:07 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +May 19 15:31:19 <quantumsummers> sorry I'm late +May 19 15:31:27 <_robbat2|irssi> ditto flameeys' support offering +May 19 15:31:35 <NeddySeagoon> Hi quantumsummers hows the family ? +May 19 15:31:36 <dabbott> _robbat2|irssi: i will ask him +May 19 15:31:48 <dabbott> and fix the link +May 19 15:32:11 <dabbott> ditto :) +May 19 15:32:26 <quantumsummers> I will mail the check Monday or so +May 19 15:32:34 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks quantumsummers +May 19 15:32:34 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: family is great +May 19 15:32:46 <quantumsummers> baby girl has had a pleasant first week +May 19 15:32:58 <dabbott> congrats ++ +May 19 15:33:07 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm pleased they are all doing well +May 19 15:33:08 <quantumsummers> thanks +May 19 15:33:17 <quantumsummers> did we get an email from ago today? +May 19 15:33:22 <quantumsummers> trustees@ that is +May 19 15:33:40 <_robbat2|irssi> not that i've seen +May 19 15:33:42 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, not that I have seen +May 19 15:34:30 <dabbott> here is the latest members list with todays dev's included http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/20130519_members_list.xml <+ please review +May 19 15:34:43 <quantumsummers> hmm, well one should arrive soon I suppose +May 19 15:34:53 <quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +May 19 15:34:57 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you want to say anything about our 501(c)(3) registration status before we move on ? +May 19 15:35:14 <quantumsummers> not too much happening +May 19 15:35:24 <quantumsummers> just getting ready for the end of the FY +May 19 15:35:29 <dabbott> its in the news the hold ups etc +May 19 15:35:30 <quantumsummers> then things will pick up some +May 19 15:35:44 <NeddySeagoon> From [Foundations] it looks like the IRS has it in for applications like ours too +May 19 15:36:02 <_robbat2|irssi> dabbott: date on that file is wrong, says may 9th +May 19 15:36:08 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: this is the case, yes +May 19 15:36:26 <quantumsummers> of course, with the recent shakeup, we may be in for better luck +May 19 15:36:39 <NeddySeagoon> recent shakeup ? +May 19 15:36:43 <dabbott> robbat2: i put it together then when i had some time will update +May 19 15:36:56 <quantumsummers> yes, IRS head was canned, etc. Been in the news +May 19 15:37:13 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Not here it hasn't :) +May 19 15:37:24 <NeddySeagoon> but its good to know +May 19 15:37:28 <quantumsummers> "unfair scrutiny" or similar for some 501c* applications +May 19 15:37:39 <quantumsummers> mainly c3 and c4 +May 19 15:37:46 <quantumsummers> anyway, google it, fairly interesting +May 19 15:37:48 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers OK, I'll googl +May 19 15:37:54 <_robbat2|irssi> i do have one AoB item to mention +May 19 15:38:09 <NeddySeagoon> OK, leys do AoB now# +May 19 15:38:20 <_robbat2|irssi> so my item, is an update on the SSL +May 19 15:38:27 <_robbat2|irssi> the need for it is increasing w/ some of the portage issues +May 19 15:38:41 <_robbat2|irssi> i was trying to get disconuts/free, but that's never quite worked out +May 19 15:39:04 <quantumsummers> lets just go with verisign and bite hte bullet +May 19 15:39:05 <_robbat2|irssi> so I wanted to check that a ballpark $500/year is going to be acceptable - basically gives us unlimited certs for that +May 19 15:39:12 <quantumsummers> wfm +May 19 15:39:24 <quantumsummers> who is the CA? +May 19 15:39:25 <_robbat2|irssi> $500/year from digicert, for unlimited certs under gentoo.org +May 19 15:39:30 <NeddySeagoon> If we need it, lets do it +1 +May 19 15:39:35 <dabbott> +1 +May 19 15:39:39 <quantumsummers> +1 +May 19 15:39:39 <_robbat2|irssi> ok, i'll put in an actual funding request for it +May 19 15:39:46 <_robbat2|irssi> because it's kind of pricy +May 19 15:40:04 <quantumsummers> very good, _robbat2|irssi, who will be technical contact and all that jazz? +May 19 15:40:08 <NeddySeagoon> That works. It guess its the going rate +May 19 15:40:40 <_robbat2|irssi> infra will be the contact point, they've got an API as well (that I already have working code for) to generate certs quick&easy +May 19 15:40:46 <quantumsummers> I think that is a pretty good price for unlimited +May 19 15:40:56 <quantumsummers> so its not a wildcad +May 19 15:41:01 <quantumsummers> **wildcard +May 19 15:41:22 <_robbat2|irssi> http://www.digicert.com/wildcard-ssl-certificates.htm +May 19 15:41:27 <_robbat2|irssi> that's the offering +May 19 15:41:43 <_robbat2|irssi> it's not wildcard, but unlimited SANs +May 19 15:41:46 <_robbat2|irssi> ~6 per cert +May 19 15:42:13 <_robbat2|irssi> and a wildcard at the top level +May 19 15:42:26 <quantumsummers> sounds great +May 19 15:42:41 <NeddySeagoon> Sounds good to me +May 19 15:42:42 <_robbat2|irssi> https://nagios.sitka.bclibraries.ca/public/dashboard/ <-- look at the cert on that site for an example +May 19 15:42:50 * quantumsummers would love to see the code too, since I need to look at renewing shortly +May 19 15:43:03 <quantumsummers> I am with thawte now, and it is too expensive really +May 19 15:43:14 <quantumsummers> the unlimited server bit looks really nice +May 19 15:43:17 <_robbat2|irssi> if you just need a few certs and you know ahead of time, there are much cheaper options +May 19 15:43:24 <_robbat2|irssi> or simple wildcards +May 19 15:43:39 <_robbat2|irssi> the digicert offering is the best ongoing issuance option +May 19 15:43:47 <quantumsummers> excellent +May 19 15:44:16 <_robbat2|irssi> oh, we will need to look at a seperate cheap wildcard for bugzie +May 19 15:44:26 <quantumsummers> _robbat2|irssi: why is that? +May 19 15:44:29 <_robbat2|irssi> since the digicert offering will only be a toplevel wildcard +May 19 15:44:33 <quantumsummers> ah +May 19 15:44:43 <_robbat2|irssi> and bugzie attachments need an additional wildcard +May 19 15:44:47 <quantumsummers> right +May 19 15:44:47 <_robbat2|irssi> to match *.bugs.gentoo.org +May 19 15:44:54 <_robbat2|irssi> that we just go with a cheap wildcard +May 19 15:45:17 <_robbat2|irssi> i'll put all of it in the funding request +May 19 15:45:23 <quantumsummers> ok +May 19 15:45:24 <_robbat2|irssi> and get more eyeballs on it +May 19 15:45:28 <_robbat2|irssi> before we hit go +May 19 15:45:51 <_robbat2|irssi> that's my AoB done +May 19 15:46:08 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, it looks like you have thought it all through. Write up your funding request for the total cost of SSL certs for everything. +May 19 15:46:33 <NeddySeagoon> Any more AoB ? None from me +May 19 15:46:39 <quantumsummers> not here +May 19 15:46:45 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +May 19 15:47:37 <dabbott> none here :) +May 19 15:48:02 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 16 Jun 2013 19:00 UTC. I will not be around. My wifte is looking for somewhere with no phone coberage and no internet +May 19 15:48:39 <NeddySeagoon> Thats Fathers day in the USA too +May 19 15:48:49 <_robbat2|irssi> given that we have a quorum now, can we announce the recording date now (2 months ahead?) +May 19 15:49:14 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, yes. Today is the recording date for the election +May 19 15:49:26 <dabbott> ok noted +May 19 15:49:35 <_robbat2|irssi> err from the other thread it wasn't clear if it was today or next month +May 19 15:50:12 <NeddySeagoon> The members list as it is at the end of this meeting defines who is qualified to vote or stand in the election +May 19 15:50:52 <dabbott> lets move next month to 23 +May 19 15:51:05 <NeddySeagoon> We need to update -foundations-announce and the members list for use in the election in the next two weeks +May 19 15:51:08 <_robbat2|irssi> rich0's mail said announce a june recording date in may, but then he thought he was a month ahead of shcedule +May 19 15:51:58 <NeddySeagoon> Roughly 4 weeks nominations in June, 4 weeks to vote in July. New board meets mid Aug +May 19 15:52:09 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: can you do that this time so I can see it done, im not real clear really +May 19 15:52:19 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sure +May 19 15:52:37 <NeddySeagoon> I need -foundations-announce updated first +May 19 15:53:00 <_robbat2|irssi> quantumsummers: can you give me the diff of your members email data? +May 19 15:53:06 <_robbat2|irssi> or just before/after snaps +May 19 15:53:10 <_robbat2|irssi> and i'll apply that to the list +May 19 15:53:13 <NeddySeagoon> Shall we move next months meeting to 23rd June ? +May 19 15:53:38 <dabbott> yes +May 19 15:53:48 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you need to get todays new members +May 19 15:54:10 <_robbat2|irssi> yes June 23rd works, i might just be a few mins late +May 19 15:54:13 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, _robbat2|irssi Does 23rd June work for our next meeting ? +May 19 15:54:24 <_robbat2|irssi> as I have a normal work meeting 16:00-19:00 UTC that day +May 19 15:54:36 <_robbat2|irssi> err +May 19 15:54:51 <_robbat2|irssi> i looked at may 23rd +May 19 15:54:58 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, Thats a Sunday ... you must work some strange hours +May 19 15:54:59 <_robbat2|irssi> yes, it works +May 19 15:55:33 <_robbat2|irssi> NeddySeagoon: a variable 40-70 hours ;-) +May 19 15:55:48 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how does June 23rd work for you ? +May 19 15:56:55 <NeddySeagoon> OK, we have 3 infavour of June 23. Lets move the meeting by one week. Same time and place +May 19 15:57:30 <NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write to our new members. +May 19 15:57:33 <dabbott> I will do the 2 motions +May 19 15:57:44 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, can you do motions please ? +May 19 15:57:55 <dabbott> yep +May 19 15:58:07 <NeddySeagoon> That brings us to Open Floor +May 19 15:59:34 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2013/meeting-06-23.log b/2013/meeting-06-23.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..f7ccbaa --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-06-23.log @@ -0,0 +1,255 @@ +Jun 23 15:07:15 <rich0> Roll Call: robbat2, dabbott, rich0 present for now +Jun 23 15:07:22 <dabbott> present +Jun 23 15:07:43 <robbat2> wait 2 mins for them? +Jun 23 15:07:57 <rich0> Well, NeddySeagoon asked to get started without him. +Jun 23 15:08:03 <rich0> Haven't heard from quantumsummers +Jun 23 15:08:58 <rich0> I don't have anything exciting to report on copyright policies. Have an 80% draft that just needs a bit more cleanup, and of course implementation. +Jun 23 15:09:06 <rich0> Anything we should discuss there? +Jun 23 15:09:21 <dabbott> I'm logging and will post the logs +Jun 23 15:09:29 <rich0> Thanks. +Jun 23 15:09:35 <robbat2> sending that draft out to the nfp list might be worthwhile (incl the TODO list) if it's enough changes +Jun 23 15:09:46 <robbat2> in the bugs we need quantumsummers for many of them +Jun 23 15:10:00 <rich0> Let me take a quick look, but I agree - might be worth at least getting it out for comment. +Jun 23 15:10:21 <robbat2> bug 473258, the chinese CD seller, motion for approving them? +Jun 23 15:11:31 <dabbott> yes +Jun 23 15:11:34 <rich0> Seems reasonable +Jun 23 15:11:55 <rich0> robbat2: you fine with that? +Jun 23 15:12:31 <rich0> Do we normally expect a portion of the sales, and if so, how much should we ask for? +Jun 23 15:12:39 <rich0> I think we do. +Jun 23 15:12:41 <robbat2> his price is so low +Jun 23 15:13:05 <robbat2> i think stipulate if he raises his prices maybe we ask for a donation +Jun 23 15:13:16 <robbat2> but it's $0.70USD/ea he's selling them for +Jun 23 15:13:32 <rich0> Agreed - at that price I can't see asking him for a share. +Jun 23 15:14:05 <rich0> Maybe tell him as long as the price is under 10 rmb he's fine, above that he should talk to us? +Jun 23 15:14:22 <rich0> Or make it 50? +Jun 23 15:14:33 <rich0> That's still < $10 +Jun 23 15:14:53 <robbat2> 50 seems reasonable +Jun 23 15:14:58 <robbat2> dabbott, your take on it? +Jun 23 15:15:15 <robbat2> the debian ones are 50RMB +Jun 23 15:15:19 <dabbott> we have been working on good faith with the other vendors quantumsummers would know if any donate +Jun 23 15:16:25 <dabbott> i can send them an email and add them to the vendor page +Jun 23 15:16:25 <rich0> I'm fine with taking it offline if we feel his input is essential. +Jun 23 15:16:33 <rich0> Works for me. +Jun 23 15:16:40 * NeddySeagoon arrives and reads the backlog ... +Jun 23 15:17:00 <rich0> NeddySeagoon: basically just jumping around taking items opportunistically. +Jun 23 15:18:58 <dabbott> brb +Jun 23 15:19:02 <NeddySeagoon> Will the chairman please contine +Jun 23 15:19:16 <rich0> Do we have one? +Jun 23 15:19:33 <NeddySeagoon> Well, whoever was leading the meeting ... +Jun 23 15:19:46 <robbat2> none of us +Jun 23 15:19:54 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Jun 23 15:19:54 <rich0> I think the reason we haven't really concluded a single item in 15min is that we're taking turns picking topics. +Jun 23 15:20:13 <rich0> We did get roll call and logs. +Jun 23 15:20:19 <robbat2> and we're done on that vendor +Jun 23 15:20:27 <rich0> What was the conclusion? +Jun 23 15:20:38 <robbat2> in favour, as long as it's under 50RMB +Jun 23 15:20:41 <robbat2> without any donation +Jun 23 15:20:44 <rich0> Ok, I think that is 3 of us. +Jun 23 15:20:56 <robbat2> if goes 50RMB, we would like to see some donation +Jun 23 15:20:57 <NeddySeagoon> I can see there is a metastructure change in the wind. It would be good to get the copyright stuff put to bead before that happens +Jun 23 15:21:07 <rich0> And I didn't hear any concerns with copyright policy beyond getting the policy out on -nfp. +Jun 23 15:21:43 <rich0> NeddySeagoon: what metastructure change? I've really only seen some random comments on IRC and an email thread with a few posts, but nothing serious that looks like a change. +Jun 23 15:22:43 <NeddySeagoon> I have no idea what 50RMB buys is China its ok saying its <$10 but if it feeds a family for a month, 50RMB is a lot +Jun 23 15:22:50 <rich0> Maybe table that to the end? I'd like to at least hit the agenda before I have to leave. +Jun 23 15:23:23 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, there have been some discussions that GLEP39 is no longer relevant and may need some work +Jun 23 15:23:35 <quantumsummers> hello, sorry I'm late +Jun 23 15:23:39 <rich0> Yes, I saw those. I've yet to see a serious proposal though. +Jun 23 15:23:47 * quantumsummers reads backlog +Jun 23 15:24:11 <NeddySeagoon> From the agenda ... Trustee Election +Jun 23 15:24:17 <rich0> Thanks! +Jun 23 15:24:22 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=China <-- cost of living +Jun 23 15:24:26 <NeddySeagoon> Its off and running, I've seen some nominations +Jun 23 15:24:28 <rich0> I don't think anything is outstanding on that. +Jun 23 15:25:35 <rich0> Anything to discuss? Or we just note and move on? +Jun 23 15:25:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, so it well less than a beer. Thats nominal to me +Jun 23 15:25:53 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, note and move on +Jun 23 15:26:12 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, your stuff ... +Jun 23 15:26:36 <quantumsummers> ok +Jun 23 15:26:48 <quantumsummers> just tidying up for the end of the fiscal year +Jun 23 15:27:03 <quantumsummers> got checks (cheques) I am waiting to clear +Jun 23 15:27:09 <quantumsummers> mainly to OSUOSL +Jun 23 15:27:10 <NeddySeagoon> Thats end of June. +Jun 23 15:27:21 <quantumsummers> correct, so in 1 week +Jun 23 15:27:28 <rich0> quantumsummers: we do have that git repo - I don't think we've put any financies in it yet. +Jun 23 15:27:28 <NeddySeagoon> Are we going to get a CPA invoice this year ? +Jun 23 15:27:33 <quantumsummers> yes +Jun 23 15:27:35 <quantumsummers> :) +Jun 23 15:28:02 <quantumsummers> dumping data to them on July 1st, they will give a quote, though I expect $875 +Jun 23 15:28:04 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes to which question ? +Jun 23 15:28:05 <robbat2> there were two donaters recently that wanted non-paypal means for bigger donations, did they get back to you? +Jun 23 15:28:14 <quantumsummers> robbat2: not yet. +Jun 23 15:28:42 <quantumsummers> I will poke again, basically I think if they want to mail a payment I can handle that. Otherwise, I think we should not do anything +Jun 23 15:28:50 <quantumsummers> mainly for teh following reasons +Jun 23 15:28:58 <quantumsummers> 1) credit card payments are costly to setup +Jun 23 15:29:18 <quantumsummers> 2) wire transfers involves giving out our banking info to potentially unknown people +Jun 23 15:29:35 <quantumsummers> I could setup a dedicated account for #2 though +Jun 23 15:29:43 <quantumsummers> not sure if it is worth the trouble +Jun 23 15:29:59 <rich0> So we make the policy paypal or checks? +Jun 23 15:30:05 <rich0> Seems reasonable to me... +Jun 23 15:30:11 <robbat2> they could probably mail you bank drafts as well +Jun 23 15:30:12 <dabbott> +1 +Jun 23 15:30:19 <NeddySeagoon> What about currency conversions costs of random cheques? or do you want a USD money order ? +Jun 23 15:30:20 <robbat2> but that's not very different than checks +Jun 23 15:30:25 <quantumsummers> a bank draft would be better +Jun 23 15:30:41 <quantumsummers> USD is fine, I doubt Cap1 will have trouble with conversion +Jun 23 15:30:53 <quantumsummers> bank draft means there is no chance of a bounced check +Jun 23 15:30:54 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 23 15:31:01 <quantumsummers> which would cost us the fee +Jun 23 15:31:13 <rich0> Why not just put on the page a list of options in preferred order? +Jun 23 15:31:20 <quantumsummers> seems fine to me +Jun 23 15:31:32 <rich0> If somebody gives us $100 and we end up with only $50 that's still $50 more than we'd have if we told them to go away. +Jun 23 15:31:40 <quantumsummers> I can put that together. +Jun 23 15:31:44 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, true +Jun 23 15:31:45 <quantumsummers> robbat2: where would you like that to live? +Jun 23 15:31:58 <rich0> Is there already a page for that? +Jun 23 15:32:12 <robbat2> we can put together a foundation page for it +Jun 23 15:32:48 <rich0> Makes sense - just still a small link under the existing donate button, or redirect to that page with paypal as just one option. +Jun 23 15:32:56 <NeddySeagoon> I needs a link from the Donate, beside PayPal +Jun 23 15:33:06 <quantumsummers> yep +Jun 23 15:33:24 <quantumsummers> so, page in foundation space, and a link under the sidebar +Jun 23 15:33:36 <quantumsummers> I mean donate button on the sidebar +Jun 23 15:33:47 <dabbott> is the foundation pages going to the wiki +Jun 23 15:33:48 <robbat2> i'd say put together a more comprensive page +Jun 23 15:33:49 <NeddySeagoon> sounds good +Jun 23 15:33:57 <robbat2> and move the paypal button to that page too +Jun 23 15:34:10 <quantumsummers> robbat2: I like that idea. +Jun 23 15:34:11 <robbat2> one related bit I saw, is that another org I know got a big uptick on paypal +Jun 23 15:34:21 <robbat2> when they made it have options for automatic monthly donations +Jun 23 15:34:23 <rich0> makes sense +Jun 23 15:34:32 <quantumsummers> in fact, I can have the CPA draft up some narrative re: legal aspects for a disclaimer, etc +Jun 23 15:34:52 <robbat2> +1 +Jun 23 15:34:54 <NeddySeagoon> sounds like that would be good +Jun 23 15:35:04 <quantumsummers> robbat2: do you know how to set that up? (the auto monthly deal?) +Jun 23 15:35:23 <quantumsummers> I can look into it too +Jun 23 15:35:31 <robbat2> yes I can help with that +Jun 23 15:35:36 <robbat2> in july +Jun 23 15:35:42 <quantumsummers> ok thanks +Jun 23 15:36:48 <NeddySeagoon> Any update on 501(c)(3) registration status +Jun 23 15:37:21 <quantumsummers> nothing on that. we'll see something soon from the CPA +Jun 23 15:37:58 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Jun 23 15:38:37 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, looks like we are up to date on the activity tracker. Any comments ? +Jun 23 15:40:17 <rich0> nope - not until after the AGM +Jun 23 15:40:32 <NeddySeagoon> Lets move onto bugs ... +Jun 23 15:41:38 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 472574 - Developers from US-embargoed countries. quantumsummers did you ask for a legal opinion ? +Jun 23 15:42:24 <quantumsummers> lets see, I know I wrote an email +Jun 23 15:43:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if you have a response, update the bug please. No need to do it right now +Jun 23 15:43:33 <quantumsummers> so, I have not heard back, but it has not been long since I sent it. I am a bit behind in my queue +Jun 23 15:43:56 <NeddySeagoon> np Its the long arm of the law ... +Jun 23 15:44:00 <quantumsummers> sorry, the newborn (6 weeks tomorrow) is kicking my ass this time +Jun 23 15:44:16 <quantumsummers> funny how that works +Jun 23 15:44:24 <quantumsummers> she is not a good sleeper yet +Jun 23 15:44:32 <quantumsummers> so my apologies if I am missing things +Jun 23 15:44:45 <NeddySeagoon> I skipped the very young :) +Jun 23 15:45:08 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 472656 can that be closed ? +Jun 23 15:45:15 <quantumsummers> they provide quite the experience +Jun 23 15:45:44 <robbat2> did we do something for it +Jun 23 15:45:45 <quantumsummers> did we do anything for that? +Jun 23 15:45:46 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: yes it can +Jun 23 15:45:51 <rich0> I think at this point it is too late to do anything on that one. +Jun 23 15:46:19 <quantumsummers> hmm. +Jun 23 15:47:38 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ? +Jun 23 15:47:57 <quantumsummers> oh nothing, just reflecting. +Jun 23 15:48:35 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 473214 was discussed earlier +Jun 23 15:48:36 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/473214 "Non-paypal contribution method"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; rich0:trustees +Jun 23 15:49:15 <NeddySeagoon> as was bug 473258 +Jun 23 15:50:13 <NeddySeagoon> This brings us to Membership Applications - Jack Morgan +Jun 23 15:50:23 <rich0> aye +Jun 23 15:50:28 <NeddySeagoon> All those in favour ... +Jun 23 15:50:28 <dabbott> yes +Jun 23 15:50:30 <robbat2> aye +Jun 23 15:50:30 <NeddySeagoon> Aye +Jun 23 15:50:42 <NeddySeagoon> I'll write the email ... +Jun 23 15:50:43 <quantumsummers> aye +Jun 23 15:51:00 <NeddySeagoon> Clean Up +Jun 23 15:51:11 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 21 Jul 2013 19:00 UTC +Jun 23 15:51:20 <dabbott> for bug 473258 i can send them an email and add them to the vendor page +Jun 23 15:51:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Jun 23 15:51:34 <dabbott> meeting date is fine here +Jun 23 15:52:07 <robbat2> ditto good for me +Jun 23 15:52:14 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, rich0 ? +Jun 23 15:52:21 <quantumsummers> fine here +Jun 23 15:52:32 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Jun 23 15:52:39 <rich0> wfm +Jun 23 15:52:44 <rich0> I have an AOB... +Jun 23 15:52:53 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, you have the floor +Jun 23 15:53:26 <rich0> We don't need to settle this immediately, but we might give thought to some way to improve meeting pace in the future. I'm not sure if audio makes sense, or some other approach. It just seems like we probably kill 30+min idling during meetings. +Jun 23 15:53:43 <rich0> Some of that is probably irc lag. +Jun 23 15:54:00 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, Audio is ok if we have a record, or a transcript +Jun 23 15:54:10 <robbat2> voice doesn't help that much in my experience +Jun 23 15:54:12 <rich0> I don't think we need a word-for-word. +Jun 23 15:54:50 <rich0> Honestly, irc is more convenient, but it just seems like it takes a lot of time to basically resolve 3-4 bugs. +Jun 23 15:55:14 <NeddySeagoon> I'm with robbat2. Its quite a chore enforcing meeting disipline on a 5 way audio link +Jun 23 15:55:23 <rich0> Most of which didn't really involve much substance. +Jun 23 15:55:49 <dabbott> We just need to be more prepared, check the bugs ahead of time on the ml etc +Jun 23 15:56:06 <robbat2> i have a regular 6-way audio call every week, even with a dedicated project manager, we get less done than this IRC meeting +Jun 23 15:56:07 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we do not need word for word - we need minutes +Jun 23 15:56:07 <quantumsummers> in terms of reducing meeting time, we could just state that some potion should be handled via bugz and/or email +Jun 23 15:56:32 <quantumsummers> then only have important votes, AoB and Open Floor on IRC +Jun 23 15:56:37 <dabbott> important bugs added to the agenda +Jun 23 15:56:42 <quantumsummers> however, I am mostly for the status quo +Jun 23 15:57:11 <NeddySeagoon> If we do more in email, we lose some of the transparency +Jun 23 15:57:29 <NeddySeagoon> On balance, I prefer irc +Jun 23 15:57:30 <rich0> Just frustrating - I basically postponed doing anything this afternoon to decide to approve a vendor, accept a member, and put more donation options on the website. +Jun 23 15:57:53 <robbat2> ok, how do we make IRC itself go faster? +Jun 23 15:58:11 <robbat2> the first 15 minutes were the worst, none of us stepped up as chairman +Jun 23 15:58:22 <quantumsummers> sorry I was late +Jun 23 15:58:26 <rich0> Yup - that is a good lesson-learned. +Jun 23 15:58:29 <NeddySeagoon> members and vendors can be prepped in email and voted in public +Jun 23 15:58:38 <rich0> How about we always start on time, pick a chair from whoever is here? +Jun 23 15:59:00 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep - thats a plan +Jun 23 15:59:08 <dabbott> rich0: +1 +Jun 23 15:59:10 <robbat2> set a target of 30 minutes end-to-end +Jun 23 16:00:20 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm, I try to keep under an hour ... how about 50 min ... then when we keep doing that 40 min ... +Jun 23 16:00:23 <rich0> I'm fine with taking time for substance - just seems like we drag quite a bit - minutes between lines. +Jun 23 16:01:06 <NeddySeagoon> I try to prempt the end of agenda items but I don't always get it right +Jun 23 16:01:30 <rich0> Yeah, some is IRC lag. Not sure if we can try to pick the same server or something? +Jun 23 16:01:47 <robbat2> everybody run /ping +Jun 23 16:01:49 <robbat2> and paste your output +Jun 23 16:01:57 <robbat2> * Ping reply from calvino.freenode.net: 0.13 second(s) +Jun 23 16:02:21 <NeddySeagoon> Ping reply from morgan.freenode.net: 0.10 second(s) +Jun 23 16:02:24 <dabbott> Ping reply from adams.freenode.net: 0.18 second(s) +Jun 23 16:02:35 <rich0> Odd, I'm not getting a response. Might be a quassel thing. +Jun 23 16:02:47 <robbat2> rich0, look in the server tab +Jun 23 16:03:00 <NeddySeagoon> should we move to a smaller network ? +Jun 23 16:03:12 <rich0> Ah, no response there, but it has an indication in the topic line of 53ms +Jun 23 16:03:26 <robbat2> yeah we need to halve the /ping response +Jun 23 16:03:30 <robbat2> to get one-way +Jun 23 16:03:36 <quantumsummers> 88ms here +Jun 23 16:03:37 <rich0> on barjavel +Jun 23 16:03:57 <robbat2> ok, so IRC lag accounts at most 200ms +Jun 23 16:03:59 <rich0> The issue is that the nodes could have 10s of latency between them for all we know. +Jun 23 16:04:08 <rich0> The ping is just to the server. +Jun 23 16:04:12 <rich0> Not to every server on the network. +Jun 23 16:04:27 <dabbott> the lag on my end is pbkac +Jun 23 16:04:45 <NeddySeagoon> should we join the same server for meetings ? +Jun 23 16:05:00 <robbat2> i think the human factor is probably larger +Jun 23 16:05:02 <rich0> I think that is a vicious cycle - we notice nothing in IRC, so we multitask, then everybody else sees nothing in IRC, so they multitask. +Jun 23 16:05:24 <rich0> And you don't see all the neads nodding in the room... +Jun 23 16:05:33 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep +Jun 23 16:05:47 <robbat2> how to avoid that then? +Jun 23 16:06:07 <rich0> Probably nazi chairing... +Jun 23 16:06:07 <quantumsummers> hey folks, I have to run. sorry :-( family visit +Jun 23 16:06:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, bye for now +Jun 23 16:06:21 <quantumsummers> I will agree to whatever though, re: meeting stuff +Jun 23 16:06:27 <quantumsummers> just let me know what you decide +Jun 23 16:06:28 <rich0> adios +Jun 23 16:06:30 <dabbott> quantumsummers: send me that app and latest db please :) +Jun 23 16:06:41 <robbat2> we should wrap this, it's going on too long anyway +Jun 23 16:06:41 <rich0> So, maybe we take this offline - we didn't do open floor yet. +Jun 23 16:06:47 <robbat2> yes offline +Jun 23 16:07:05 <NeddySeagoon> Shall we all use adams.freenode.net for the next meeting ? +Jun 23 16:07:15 <rich0> I gotta run soon myself. +Jun 23 16:07:28 <NeddySeagoon> any more other business +Jun 23 16:07:32 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I don't think it will make much difference tbh +Jun 23 16:08:09 <NeddySeagoon> we have agreed a who does what ... +Jun 23 16:08:17 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I will post the log and update the minutes +Jun 23 16:08:18 <NeddySeagoon> so Open floor ... +Jun 23 16:09:06 <dabbott> Are the foundation pages going to the wiki? +Jun 23 16:09:27 <dabbott> are just project pages? +Jun 23 16:09:34 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I don't know but I'm not keen +Jun 23 16:10:00 <dabbott> I am fine where we are now tbh +Jun 23 16:10:04 <NeddySeagoon> the Foundation pages are our legal entity stuff +Jun 23 16:10:14 <rich0> NeddySeagoon: ++ +Jun 23 16:10:26 <robbat2> i think long-term they will probably end up moving but being locked to foundation +Jun 23 16:10:27 <NeddySeagoon> I'm not happy for that to be on a Wiki +Jun 23 16:11:14 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2013/meeting-07-21.log b/2013/meeting-07-21.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b85c780 --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-07-21.log @@ -0,0 +1,322 @@ + +Jul 21 15:05:54 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call ... my logger is here +Jul 21 15:05:57 <rich0> here +Jul 21 15:06:13 <dabbott> present && i am logging and will post +Jul 21 15:06:25 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, _robbat21irssi +Jul 21 15:06:40 <_robbat21irssi> present +Jul 21 15:07:03 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... not including rich0 +Jul 21 15:07:05 <quantumsummers|c> hello +Jul 21 15:07:13 <NeddySeagoon> Hi quantumsummers|c +Jul 21 15:07:22 <dabbott> hi quantumsummers|c rich0 +Jul 21 15:07:26 <quantumsummers|c> howdy +Jul 21 15:07:43 <NeddySeagoon> Item 1. rich0s planned withdrawal from being a trustee, now he is elected to council +Jul 21 15:08:27 <NeddySeagoon> Discussion on the list was to offer rich0 the office of assistant secretary until the AGM +Jul 21 15:08:29 <rich0> I'm fine with accepting the asst secretary position in the interim. Let's re-eval after the new board forms. +Jul 21 15:09:02 <quantumsummers|c> +1 +Jul 21 15:09:04 <dabbott> rich0: I really liked the way you kept us informed by the activity tracker +Jul 21 15:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> I would like to extend the term to 15 Sep. Its a bit unfiar on the new board to need to decide at the AGM +Jul 21 15:09:33 <quantumsummers|c> +1 +Jul 21 15:09:41 <dabbott> +1 +Jul 21 15:09:43 <rich0> sure +Jul 21 15:10:32 <NeddySeagoon> #Motion to appoint rich0 to the office of Asst Sec until 15 Sep 2013. Position to be reconsided at that date +Jul 21 15:10:39 <quantumsummers|c> seconded +Jul 21 15:10:46 <NeddySeagoon> vote please +Jul 21 15:10:48 <dabbott> aye +Jul 21 15:10:49 <quantumsummers|c> aye +Jul 21 15:10:49 <_robbat21irssi> aye +Jul 21 15:10:52 <NeddySeagoon> aye +Jul 21 15:10:57 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Jul 21 15:11:15 <rich0> thanks :) I think... +Jul 21 15:11:45 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, should stay on the alias meanwhile but lose his vote on the bord and not count towards a meeting quorum +Jul 21 15:11:53 <dabbott> Ok for your first job ... :) +Jul 21 15:12:19 <rich0> dabbott: don't get carried away unless you plan to double my salary... +Jul 21 15:12:29 <quantumsummers|c> triple it! +Jul 21 15:12:45 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats easy ... 2x nothing is still nothing +Jul 21 15:12:57 <rich0> don't remind me +Jul 21 15:13:04 <NeddySeagoon> Old business ... Trustee Election +Jul 21 15:13:22 <NeddySeagoon> Its in the hands of elections nothing to add there. +Jul 21 15:13:36 <_robbat21irssi> (i'm here, just minor work emergency) +Jul 21 15:14:05 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need to clarifiy that trustees retain their seats and responsibilities until the end of the AGM ? +Jul 21 15:14:21 <NeddySeagoon> That was always the intent +Jul 21 15:14:52 <dabbott> whats the wording currently +Jul 21 15:15:38 <NeddySeagoon> Its just not clear. Normally new trustees would be elected at the AGM, not before it +Jul 21 15:15:56 <NeddySeagoon> Thats not practical for us +Jul 21 15:16:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, anything on the CPA or 501(c)(3) registration status ? +Jul 21 15:16:26 <rich0> Just about any company makes its new board effective at the end of the AGM. +Jul 21 15:16:43 <rich0> A board can't really claim to have done due diligence voting on matters they were not privy to 10 minutes earlier. +Jul 21 15:16:49 <jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: I thought the Bylaws stated that new board members start their term at the AGM? +Jul 21 15:16:57 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: nothing to report yet, just getting the summary data to them. I will have draft report prepared over the next couple weeks +Jul 21 15:17:26 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, to present at the AGM? That would be good timing +Jul 21 15:17:34 <quantumsummers|c> yes, of course +Jul 21 15:17:39 <NeddySeagoon> :) +Jul 21 15:17:55 <quantumsummers|c> drafts will be passed around prior +Jul 21 15:18:11 <quantumsummers|c> mainly so you guys can check the work ;) +Jul 21 15:18:13 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, your bit. Foundation Activity Tracker I think this goes with your new office +Jul 21 15:18:56 <rich0> Uh, sure... :) Not really much to say - the AGM activites are the biggest thing pending now. +Jul 21 15:19:12 <rich0> One thing I'd suggest is that when assembling the financials consider commiting as much of it as you can into the git repo. +Jul 21 15:19:19 <rich0> (the stuff that can't be made public) +Jul 21 15:19:31 <NeddySeagoon> sounds good. +Jul 21 15:21:07 <NeddySeagoon> Reminder for the AGM, we will need Secy, treasuerers and presidents reports +Jul 21 15:21:31 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: yes, I am getting the entire history ready to commit +Jul 21 15:21:38 <quantumsummers|c> mainly data files +Jul 21 15:21:45 <quantumsummers|c> however, there are a bunch of PDF files/ +Jul 21 15:21:58 <quantumsummers|c> _robbat21irssi: do you mind if I commit those? +Jul 21 15:22:20 <quantumsummers|c> they are blobs +Jul 21 15:22:27 <_robbat21irssi> i'll review them with you after the meeting +Jul 21 15:22:28 <NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Open Trustee Bugs +Jul 21 15:22:28 <quantumsummers|c> ok +Jul 21 15:22:32 <NeddySeagoon> Is there anything there we need to review today ? +Jul 21 15:22:43 <quantumsummers|c> Bug 476722 +Jul 21 15:22:56 <rich0> Capturing it in whatever format it is in is more important than making it pretty. +Jul 21 15:23:05 <quantumsummers|c> oops, that is new +Jul 21 15:23:15 <rich0> My two cents. Long-term we should move to standard formats, but the bus factor is a bigger issue I think. +Jul 21 15:23:27 <quantumsummers|c> I do have soemthing for bug 471266 +Jul 21 15:23:31 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, its not in my trustee list +Jul 21 15:23:35 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: you are talking about bank stuff right? +Jul 21 15:24:00 <quantumsummers|c> so what I have are csv files for each year for each account (and monthly for paypal) +Jul 21 15:24:08 <quantumsummers|c> I also have PDFs of statements from the banks +Jul 21 15:24:11 <quantumsummers|c> that is it +Jul 21 15:24:38 <quantumsummers|c> there may be some other PDFs too, scans of things like EIN, etc +Jul 21 15:24:54 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: yes, its in the list, the potential Iranian dev +Jul 21 15:25:05 <quantumsummers|c> I think it is private, so I shall comment there +Jul 21 15:25:08 <dabbott> Bug 471266 - (sobhan) New Developer: Sobhan Mohammadpour (sobhan) +Jul 21 15:26:30 <quantumsummers|c> hmm, that bug does not contain the stuff +Jul 21 15:26:32 <quantumsummers|c> anyway, I am in conversation with sflc regarding this +Jul 21 15:26:33 <quantumsummers|c> we have a new council also +Jul 21 15:26:34 <quantumsummers|c> our previous fellow left and did not give notice to us +Jul 21 15:26:34 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, lets leave it to sflc +Jul 21 15:26:35 <quantumsummers|c> so I talked with Dr. Moglen and we have a new council now\ +Jul 21 15:26:38 <rich0> I think that saving PDFs of what we get isn't a bad idea for legal reasons. Wish git wasn't write-once-never-dispose-of though. Legally we might want to think about retention at some point (but right now we're certainly not saving too much). +Jul 21 15:27:03 <rich0> Not sure the council matters here - this is entirely a legal issue. +Jul 21 15:27:13 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: git can nuke old stuff just fine, but it is a little tricky +Jul 21 15:27:16 <rich0> If we were talking about qualifications or something the council would be more relevant. +Jul 21 15:28:01 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: all financial info/data I have saved, all of it +Jul 21 15:28:07 <quantumsummers|c> we have SOX compliance to mind +Jul 21 15:28:14 <quantumsummers|c> which I am taking care of +Jul 21 15:28:14 <rich0> I think that issue is basically waiting on legal council. From what I've read it probably isn't an issue for being a dev so much, but he could probably never be reimbursed/etc. +Jul 21 15:28:33 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: the bug you want is 472574 +Jul 21 15:28:36 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats my view of the world too +Jul 21 15:28:48 <quantumsummers|c> well, that depends though, since he is in an embargoed country, we may not be able to take his code contrib either +Jul 21 15:29:04 <rich0> So either we go ahead without legal advice, or keep pushing on getting the legal advice. +Jul 21 15:29:12 <quantumsummers|c> which is one thing I need to dicover, whether he has contrib or not +Jul 21 15:29:20 <rich0> I'm fine with getting legal device. +Jul 21 15:29:25 <quantumsummers|c> we are getting advice now, do that is good +Jul 21 15:29:32 <quantumsummers|c> s/do/so/ +Jul 21 15:29:55 <rich0> If we're getting advice, I suggest we table the issue - no point in speculating if we've decided to get counsel. Better to wait until we can move forward. +Jul 21 15:30:12 <dabbott> +1 +Jul 21 15:30:20 <_robbat21irssi> +1 +Jul 21 15:31:40 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Jul 21 15:31:47 <dabbott> _robbat21irssi: can you handle Bug 477374 +Jul 21 15:32:02 <NeddySeagoon> anything else from the bugs list ? +Jul 21 15:32:25 <quantumsummers|c> should we give that company a sidebar thing for $500? +Jul 21 15:33:02 <quantumsummers|c> as far as the discussion, we had it and he was fine with not being in there before due to the smallish donation +Jul 21 15:33:29 <quantumsummers|c> also, if anyone noticed the transfer from paypal (9000 USD) we did get a donation from a Limey of $5000 +Jul 21 15:33:35 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c not for a one time donation unless the side bar ad is time limited +Jul 21 15:33:38 <quantumsummers|c> err Brit LD +Jul 21 15:33:59 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, I know what you meant :) +Jul 21 15:34:03 <quantumsummers|c> this new donor asked for nothing +Jul 21 15:34:25 <quantumsummers|c> and made sure he was clear in his offer for further donations in the future +Jul 21 15:34:36 <quantumsummers|c> nice fellow +Jul 21 15:34:45 <_robbat21irssi> dabbott: bug 477374: done, asked him for his new logo +Jul 21 15:34:47 <quantumsummers|c> (I'll shut up now, that was it) +Jul 21 15:35:05 <dabbott> _robbat21irssi: thanks +Jul 21 15:35:32 <_robbat21irssi> re sidebar donations, should we set a min target for them? +Jul 21 15:35:34 <quantumsummers|c> likely, yes +Jul 21 15:35:35 <NeddySeagoon> side bar ads are for ongoing donations +Jul 21 15:35:36 <_robbat21irssi> also that +Jul 21 15:35:45 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: did the fellow want his nick to be known sure would like to thank him personally +Jul 21 15:35:50 <quantumsummers|c> _robbat21irssi: can you give an estimate of what the value is of current sidebar holders? +Jul 21 15:36:09 <quantumsummers|c> I thanked him profusely via email +Jul 21 15:36:17 <quantumsummers|c> that seemed enough to him +Jul 21 15:36:35 <quantumsummers|c> and I didn't get his nickname, just email +Jul 21 15:36:35 <dabbott> got it :) +Jul 21 15:36:54 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat21irssi, minimum recurring target +Jul 21 15:37:51 <NeddySeagoon> I think Morphodo Bug 476722 got mixed in there - is it covered or not ? +Jul 21 15:38:24 <_robbat21irssi> quantumsummers|c: none of them are less than $50/month worth of hardware, most are more than that +Jul 21 15:38:27 <NeddySeagoon> if not, its the next agenda item +Jul 21 15:38:27 <dabbott> we can do it now i added it also at the end of the agenda +Jul 21 15:38:40 <quantumsummers|c> _robbat21irssi: ok, great. thanks +Jul 21 15:39:24 <quantumsummers|c> one other bug, that has been bugging me a little +Jul 21 15:39:28 <quantumsummers|c> the bitcoin donation +Jul 21 15:39:33 <quantumsummers|c> I see no way to support this +Jul 21 15:40:06 <quantumsummers|c> personally, I am not familiar enough with how transactions are handled with financial institutions +Jul 21 15:40:14 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see it being useful for a while yet. Particularly as its a very volitile currency +Jul 21 15:40:39 <quantumsummers|c> it seems like we might just have a few bitcoins laying around collecting dust, so I am not in favor of this method +Jul 21 15:41:01 <NeddySeagoon> +1 +Jul 21 15:41:02 <quantumsummers|c> anyone else have a comment on this? +Jul 21 15:41:10 <_robbat21irssi> i'm not sure re IRS laws, but in Canada, the tax agency said you need to pay income tax on them when you convert to other currencies +Jul 21 15:41:21 <quantumsummers|c> that seems correct +Jul 21 15:41:26 <_robbat21irssi> capital gains of the growth in value etc +Jul 21 15:41:31 <_robbat21irssi> like most investments +Jul 21 15:41:41 <quantumsummers|c> I know the IRS is considering them as valueable +Jul 21 15:41:53 <quantumsummers|c> any issues declining to accept them at this time" +Jul 21 15:41:55 <quantumsummers|c> ? +Jul 21 15:41:58 <NeddySeagoon> Just now, they are a PITA +Jul 21 15:42:05 <quantumsummers|c> I agree with NeddySeagoon +Jul 21 15:42:06 <NeddySeagoon> not from me +Jul 21 15:42:26 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: fine by me +Jul 21 15:42:40 <quantumsummers|c> I'll consider that a majority +Jul 21 15:42:45 <_robbat21irssi> if we accept them now, we just have to declare them as assets until we convert them +Jul 21 15:42:45 <_robbat21irssi> but I don't see an issue with accepting them per se +Jul 21 15:42:53 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, that was carried +Jul 21 15:43:04 <quantumsummers|c> I do not know how to handle them for an organization +Jul 21 15:43:20 <quantumsummers|c> p2p it seems simple enough I guess +Jul 21 15:43:23 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat21irssi, its all the paperwork that goes with them if they are ever used +Jul 21 15:43:38 <NeddySeagoon> Lets just decline for now +Jul 21 15:43:49 <quantumsummers|c> lets re-evaluate after some period of time not less than 6 months +Jul 21 15:43:55 <quantumsummers|c> ok, declining +Jul 21 15:44:36 <NeddySeagoon> Morphodo Bug 476722 - did we deal with that ? +Jul 21 15:45:12 <dabbott> no +Jul 21 15:45:27 <NeddySeagoon> I'm ok with a listing on the sponsors page but not the sidebar +Jul 21 15:46:09 <quantumsummers|c> seems reasonable to me +Jul 21 15:46:19 <dabbott> yep fine by me +Jul 21 15:46:37 <NeddySeagoon> thats 3 yes. _robbat21irssi ? +Jul 21 15:47:13 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Jul 21 15:47:25 <NeddySeagoon> Membership Applications +Jul 21 15:47:47 <quantumsummers|c> both are devs, so aye +Jul 21 15:47:54 <NeddySeagoon> Pavlos Ratis and Chris Reffett have applied +Jul 21 15:47:55 <dabbott> +1 +Jul 21 15:47:59 <NeddySeagoon> Aye from me +Jul 21 15:48:16 <rich0> Wasn't there a community application as well? +Jul 21 15:48:20 <_robbat2|irssi> sorry, freenode weirdness +Jul 21 15:48:39 <_robbat2|irssi> and I don't have alternative backlog to see what I missed +Jul 21 15:48:50 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:37 <@dabbott> quantumsummers|c: fine by me +Jul 21 15:48:54 <quantumsummers|c> membership +Jul 21 15:48:56 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:37 <@_robbat21irssi> if we accept them now, we just have to declare them as assets until we convert them +Jul 21 15:48:56 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:37 <@_robbat21irssi> but I don't see an issue with accepting them per se +Jul 21 15:48:57 <dabbott> _robbat21irssi: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476722 +Jul 21 15:48:58 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:38 <@_robbat21irssi> maybe better as a comparision, would the foundation accept donations/assignments of stock from companies? +Jul 21 15:49:04 <_robbat2|irssi> that's the last stuff I saw/said +Jul 21 15:49:08 <quantumsummers|c> ah, we declined to support them +Jul 21 15:49:12 <quantumsummers|c> I have updated the bug +Jul 21 15:49:22 <quantumsummers|c> I will discuss with CPA also +Jul 21 15:49:27 <quantumsummers|c> re-eval after some period +Jul 21 15:49:45 <quantumsummers|c> the morphodo bug, we decided to not allow sidebar +Jul 21 15:50:03 <rich0> Chris Gianelloni had also applied I believe +Jul 21 15:50:42 <quantumsummers|c> rich0: you sure about that? +Jul 21 15:50:48 <quantumsummers|c> do you have the ID? +Jul 21 15:50:53 <dabbott> no he just asked why he was dropped I did see him asking to re join unless i missed it +Jul 21 15:50:56 <quantumsummers|c> I thought he dropped it, perhaps I am mistaken +Jul 21 15:50:56 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, he asked why he wasn't on the members list. +Jul 21 15:51:26 <rich0> FYI - I'm getting a huge wash of what look like old messages - likely a split or something. +Jul 21 15:51:27 <rich0> Ah, I see, he didn't actually ask to be added back. +Jul 21 15:51:42 <NeddySeagoon> I didn't see a follow up +Jul 21 15:51:50 <quantumsummers|c> me either +Jul 21 15:52:02 <rich0> Never mind. +Jul 21 15:52:03 <rich0> I looked at the email again - no follow-up on his part. +Jul 21 15:52:04 <_robbat2|irssi> morphodo: ok re sidebar, if they want just sponsors page, that's fine. +Jul 21 15:52:08 <quantumsummers|c> _robbat21irssi: ok, good. +Jul 21 15:52:43 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup ... +Jul 21 15:52:43 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 18 Aug 2013 19:00 UTC Thats the AGM +Jul 21 15:52:49 <quantumsummers|c> +1 +Jul 21 15:52:55 <_robbat21irssi> maybe better as a comparision, would the foundation accept donations/assignments of stock from companies? +Jul 21 15:53:02 <rich0> ++ +Jul 21 15:53:22 <dabbott> _robbat21irssi: thats what he said 35 a month and added to sponsors page and we voted ok +Jul 21 15:53:26 <quantumsummers|c> _robbat21irssi: we can do that, I would have to talk with the CPA about how we should manage it of course, a +Jul 21 15:54:03 <NeddySeagoon> _robbat21irssi, I would want notice of that question +Jul 21 15:54:14 <_robbat2|irssi> wow freenode +Jul 21 15:54:14 <_robbat2|irssi> i sent that 10+ mins ago +Jul 21 15:54:14 <_robbat2|irssi> freenode seems to be resending stuff I said earlier +Jul 21 15:54:20 <quantumsummers|c> weird +Jul 21 15:54:44 <quantumsummers|c> well anyway, re: stock, I think that is much more standard asset than bitcoin and there is plenty of precendent +Jul 21 15:54:45 <NeddySeagoon> Stock of Iranian companies ? +Jul 21 15:54:48 <quantumsummers|c> heh +Jul 21 15:54:53 <quantumsummers|c> funny guy, you +Jul 21 15:55:04 <dabbott> next meeting is the AGM date is fine by me agenda from last year http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes/2012/201208_trustees_agenda.xml +Jul 21 15:55:21 <dabbott> agenda should be about the same +Jul 21 15:55:46 <NeddySeagoon> I think if the stock was traded in the USA, yes +Jul 21 15:55:53 <quantumsummers|c> yes +Jul 21 15:55:54 <quantumsummers|c> or EU +Jul 21 15:55:55 <quantumsummers|c> or Japan +Jul 21 15:55:56 <_robbat2|irssi> i said stock on purpose, as for Canada, it's mostly that bitcoin is being treated as mostly as stock for tax purposes +Jul 21 15:55:57 <quantumsummers|c> all standard stocks should be ok +Jul 21 15:55:59 <quantumsummers|c> really +Jul 21 15:56:24 <quantumsummers|c> well, let me see what the CPA has to say. I venture a guess that they have not heard much about it +Jul 21 15:56:26 <rich0> I think in general we should be willing to accept donations of any kind as long as it is legal and worth the effort. +Jul 21 15:56:46 <rich0> If somebody offered us $10 worth of stock, probably not worth it. If somebody offered us $1M worth of bitcoins, we should probably take the time to figure out how to make it work. +Jul 21 15:56:52 <quantumsummers|c> yes +Jul 21 15:56:56 <quantumsummers|c> the latter being the key point +Jul 21 15:56:57 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, agreed. We would have to value such stock and show due digience over our investment management. That may be a pain +Jul 21 15:57:03 <quantumsummers|c> yes +Jul 21 15:57:13 <quantumsummers|c> or just cash in upon receipt +Jul 21 15:57:26 <rich0> But these shouldn't really be preferred over some form of cash. +Jul 21 15:57:40 <quantumsummers|c> anyway, it is worth a discussion. Cash is King +Jul 21 15:58:26 <quantumsummers|c> discussion with the CPA, I mean +Jul 21 15:59:26 <quantumsummers|c> some weird freenode stuffs going on here +Jul 21 15:59:27 <quantumsummers|c> we ready for AoB? +Jul 21 15:59:28 <quantumsummers|c> because, I have .... wait for it .... +Jul 21 15:59:29 <quantumsummers|c> nothing +Jul 21 15:59:29 <quantumsummers|c> :-) +Jul 21 16:01:35 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: still thinking about creating a Missouri Corp +Jul 21 16:01:36 <quantumsummers|c> hello? +Jul 21 16:01:36 <quantumsummers|c> anyone see this? +Jul 21 16:01:37 <quantumsummers|c> am I alone +Jul 21 16:01:51 <quantumsummers|c> **dances around** king in the castle +Jul 21 16:01:59 <rich0> I'm here. +Jul 21 16:02:03 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: im here +Jul 21 16:02:06 <rich0> But I think we may have lost half the team. +Jul 21 16:02:37 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: shelved for now +Jul 21 16:02:50 <quantumsummers|c> not really useful, extra work, etc +Jul 21 16:02:57 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, that would work +Jul 21 16:03:30 <_robbat2|irssi> *a CPA discussion yes +Jul 21 16:03:30 <_robbat2|irssi> if freenode behaves, i was going to ask for any comments on the council/infra officer discussion +Jul 21 16:03:30 <_robbat2|irssi> i think maybe we can't see each other +Jul 21 16:03:45 <quantumsummers|c> hmm, this is turning into a freenode mess +Jul 21 16:03:53 <quantumsummers|c> _robbat2|irssi: I think you should be that officer +Jul 21 16:03:55 <dabbott> _robbat2|irssi: see you now wecome to our world +Jul 21 16:04:03 <quantumsummers|c> I also think we are going bust with freenode here +Jul 21 16:04:05 <dabbott> *welcome +Jul 21 16:04:25 <dabbott> seconded +Jul 21 16:04:29 <quantumsummers|c> as far as council officer, we may have that with rich0 +Jul 21 16:04:52 <dabbott> ++ +Jul 21 16:05:46 <dabbott> Neddys still not back +Jul 21 16:05:59 <quantumsummers|c> there went Robin +Jul 21 16:06:14 <quantumsummers|c> ok, this is getting out of hand +Jul 21 16:06:34 <quantumsummers|c> Any other business? +Jul 21 16:06:38 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott? rich0? +Jul 21 16:06:42 <dabbott> nope +Jul 21 16:06:48 <quantumsummers|c> Hi NeddySeagoon! +Jul 21 16:06:55 <quantumsummers|c> I called AoB while you were in the mists of freenode whackyness +Jul 21 16:06:56 <quantumsummers|c> no response +Jul 21 16:07:40 <quantumsummers|c> morgan.freenode.net seems pretty stable +Jul 21 16:08:01 <quantumsummers|c> ok, well I have to go take care of some hungry baby and a toddler who just ended napping rather abruptly. +Jul 21 16:08:05 <NeddySeagoon> I'm back +Jul 21 16:08:05 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c we ready for AoB? +Jul 21 16:08:05 <quantumsummers|c> hello +Jul 21 16:08:05 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c because, I have .... wait for it .... +Jul 21 16:08:06 <quantumsummers|c> yes +Jul 21 16:08:06 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c nothing +Jul 21 16:08:06 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c :-) +Jul 21 16:08:06 <quantumsummers|c> :) +Jul 21 16:08:06 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c hello? +Jul 21 16:08:07 <NeddySeagoon> NeddySeagoon Oops I missed AoB +Jul 21 16:08:07 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c anyone see this? +Jul 21 16:08:07 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: I am here +Jul 21 16:08:08 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c am I alone +Jul 21 16:08:08 <NeddySeagoon> NeddySeagoon I'm here +Jul 21 16:08:09 <NeddySeagoon> I got that +Jul 21 16:08:10 <NeddySeagoon> roll call - again +Jul 21 16:08:10 <NeddySeagoon> I'm on leguin.freenode.net +Jul 21 16:08:10 <quantumsummers|c> ok, this is crazy +Jul 21 16:08:19 <dabbott> im on calvino.freenode.net +Jul 21 16:08:43 <rich0> Well, unless something changes with freenode I suggest we just wrap up via email or something. +Jul 21 16:08:43 <rich0> I don't see anything pressing, or any sign of AOB/etc. +Jul 21 16:09:36 <dabbott> I will do the logs and the motions +Jul 21 16:10:13 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: ^^ if you return +Jul 21 16:10:48 <NeddySeagoon> looks like just the two of us - my logger went away +Jul 21 16:11:45 <NeddySeagoon> we agreed to wrop up in email +Jul 21 16:11:48 -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. +Jul 21 16:11:48 -NickServ- You are now identified for dabbott. +Jul 21 16:11:48 -NickServ- You are already logged in as dabbott. +Jul 21 16:12:04 <_robbat2|irssi> i think we might need to get all of our IRC logs seperately +Jul 21 16:13:19 <_robbat2|irssi> ok, whomever has the gavel, this is closed +Jul 21 16:13:47 <dabbott> roll call _ if you want to send me your logs I will put together yours with mine to post +Jul 21 16:13:58 <_robbat2|irssi> will do +Jul 21 16:14:01 <_robbat2|irssi> bye for now +Jul 21 16:14:16 <NeddySeagoon> 21:04 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting +Jul 21 16:14:17 <dabbott> bye save me some coffee :) +Jul 21 16:14:58 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: send me your log and i will put it with robbins and mine +Jul 21 16:15:14 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, OK +Jul 21 16:15:27 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: i will do the log and the motions +Jul 21 16:15:43 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I will do the emails to new members +Jul 21 16:15:50 <dabbott> thanks diff --git a/2013/meeting-08-18.log b/2013/meeting-08-18.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..df40994 --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-08-18.log @@ -0,0 +1,134 @@ +Aug 18 14:59:35 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to open the Annual General Meeting of the Gentoo Foundation Inc. +Aug 18 14:59:42 <NeddySeagoon> roll call +Aug 18 14:59:54 <SwifT> i'm here +Aug 18 14:59:55 <NeddySeagoon> I'm logging ... I think +Aug 18 14:59:56 <dabbott> here +Aug 18 15:00:10 <SwifT> also logging - just in case +Aug 18 15:00:11 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: EMAILED HE WILL BE LATE +Aug 18 15:00:22 <SwifT> tsk tsk +Aug 18 15:00:33 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +Aug 18 15:00:44 <robbat2> yo +Aug 18 15:01:40 * rich0 is in the peanut gallery +Aug 18 15:01:43 <NeddySeagoon> For the AGM, we are required to have a quorum of members but I've never seen this channel over 29 so as we have a quorum of trustees, lets just do it. Any objections ? +Aug 18 15:01:57 <Betelgeuse> here +Aug 18 15:02:17 <SwifT> go for it +Aug 18 15:02:27 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Aug 18 15:02:30 <dabbott> ++ +Aug 18 15:02:39 <Betelgeuse> why was there no email on gentoo-foundation-announce about AGM? +Aug 18 15:02:54 <NeddySeagoon> First off ... the presidents report http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/PresidentsReport_2013.xml +Aug 18 15:03:26 <robbat2> Betelgeuse, it was in the july 12th email +Aug 18 15:03:32 <robbat2> but I agree it should be seperate in future +Aug 18 15:04:08 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, do you want actionable comments about that report now or later? +Aug 18 15:04:15 <NeddySeagoon> The July 12 email satisfied the 60 days notice +Aug 18 15:04:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I'll take the comments now and action them post meeting +Aug 18 15:04:57 <robbat2> re Weakening, we had discussed more officers, do you want to raise that only later? +Aug 18 15:05:20 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - I've hined at that at the end +Aug 18 15:05:28 <NeddySeagoon> hinted* +Aug 18 15:05:59 <robbat2> ok, i'll get back to it at the end of the meeting then; i'll send you my grammar & spelling fixes later too then +Aug 18 15:06:15 <robbat2> i motion to approve the report, subject to minor cleanups +Aug 18 15:06:29 <dabbott> seconded +Aug 18 15:06:35 <SwifT> aye +Aug 18 15:06:46 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that works. Any comments on content or other than grammer/style is the report accepted ? +Aug 18 15:06:50 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: stricly speaking it did not because the email did not have enough info: "Notice stating the place, date and hour of the meeting" +Aug 18 15:07:11 <Betelgeuse> However, I doubt it would have made a difference +Aug 18 15:07:37 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse hehe - it hasn't for the last 5 years +Aug 18 15:07:57 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, no comments about the content other than the officers remark +Aug 18 15:08:18 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, thank you +Aug 18 15:08:42 <dabbott> we can add it to the tracker email gentoo-foundation-announce 60 days in advance about AGM +Aug 18 15:08:47 <NeddySeagoon> Next http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/2013_SecretarysReport.xml Secretaries Report +Aug 18 15:09:16 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Sounds like one for your assistant +Aug 18 15:09:22 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, err, we should have the rest of the votes on accepting the president report first shouldn't we? +Aug 18 15:10:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, well, the quorum is you me and dabbott. SwifT and Betelgeuse don't take office until the end of the meeting +Aug 18 15:10:24 <NeddySeagoon> Do I need to vote for my own report ? +Aug 18 15:10:45 <NeddySeagoon> I+1 from me as I wrote it +Aug 18 15:11:07 <robbat2> hmm, i suppose strictly speaking that's true +Aug 18 15:11:14 <robbat2> their votes don't quite count yet +Aug 18 15:11:51 <robbat2> in which case, simply for ease of tracking out motions: the motion to approve the presidents report is approved +Aug 18 15:11:58 <robbat2> *is passed +Aug 18 15:12:04 <NeddySeagoon> thank you +Aug 18 15:12:08 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: the email to gentoo-dev-announce said: "The turnout for this election was 41.59%. We received 47 valid votes out from +Aug 18 15:12:09 <dabbott> robbat2: thanks noted +Aug 18 15:12:11 <Betelgeuse> a total of 113 eligible voters, with one pending vote." +Aug 18 15:12:50 <NeddySeagoon> Next http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/2013_SecretarysReport.xml Secretaries Report +Aug 18 15:13:00 <robbat2> yeah, something doesn't mesh in the numbers +Aug 18 15:13:22 <robbat2> i think it was a copy & paste error from the last report +Aug 18 15:13:32 <robbat2> yep, http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/2012_SecretarysReport.xml +Aug 18 15:14:47 <NeddySeagoon> The election for Gentoo Foundation Trustees has concluded. We had 229 eligible voters with 76 voting for a turnout of ~33%. <--- looks wrong +Aug 18 15:15:03 <robbat2> dabbott, please correct your report to say: We received 48 valid votes out from a total of 113 eligible voters, for a turnout of 42.4%. (The pending vote was accounted for) +Aug 18 15:15:37 <dabbott> ok +Aug 18 15:15:42 <robbat2> the pending vote was jcallen's, because the voter roster had him by his old username, abcd, and that had to be switched before votify accepted his ballot +Aug 18 15:15:49 <dabbott> missed that section +Aug 18 15:16:45 <robbat2> also, sometime this week I'll send you the list of voters, so we can update the rollcall, as we probably need to expire more people off it for non-voting +Aug 18 15:17:51 <NeddySeagoon> meanwhile, I would like to propose a vote of thnaks to the outgoing trustees, quantumsummers|c rich0 and robbat2 and welcome quantumsummers|c relected for a further term, SwifT for returning after a break and Betelgeuse for his first term. +Aug 18 15:18:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, true - I need to update the ACL here too +Aug 18 15:18:45 <NeddySeagoon> Do I have a second +Aug 18 15:18:50 <robbat2> seconded +Aug 18 15:18:55 <robbat2> (despite it being for myself) +Aug 18 15:19:02 <NeddySeagoon> vote +Aug 18 15:19:04 <NeddySeagoon> aye +Aug 18 15:19:04 <robbat2> aye +Aug 18 15:19:23 <dabbott> yes +Aug 18 15:19:48 <SwifT> thanks ;) glad to be of assistance +Aug 18 15:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> Welcome to the board SwifT and Betelgeuse +Aug 18 15:20:33 <NeddySeagoon> We will come back to the Treasuers report when quantumsummers|c shows up +Aug 18 15:20:55 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 15th Sep 2012 19:00 UTC Does this work for everyone ? +Aug 18 15:21:29 <SwifT> yup +Aug 18 15:21:33 <dabbott> yes +Aug 18 15:21:39 <Betelgeuse> wfm +Aug 18 15:21:59 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Aug 18 15:22:05 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +Aug 18 15:22:12 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, an additional request for future agendas +Aug 18 15:22:19 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sure +Aug 18 15:22:39 <robbat2> at the bottom of each agenda, can you include the actual tentatives dates of future meetings, other than saying "the 3rd sunday" +Aug 18 15:22:59 <robbat2> for ease of review +Aug 18 15:23:04 <dabbott> I can do that +Aug 18 15:23:14 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, OK, we can add the mettings calendar up to the next AGM +Aug 18 15:23:16 <robbat2> easy, nice to review +Aug 18 15:23:19 <robbat2> that works too +Aug 18 15:23:25 <robbat2> anyway, so the main AoB item +Aug 18 15:23:36 <robbat2> is that we wanted to propose more officers for the foundation +Aug 18 15:24:04 <NeddySeagoon> yeah - alex and Denis should not be allowed to escape +Aug 18 15:24:07 <robbat2> with calchan & antarus being candidates for that, as well as quantumsummers|c suggesting in a previous meeting that I might be the infra liasion officer +Aug 18 15:24:39 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, It that an appointment you acctept ? +Aug 18 15:25:06 <robbat2> if antarus wants it instead of me, I'm happy to give it to him; otherwise I will accept it +Aug 18 15:26:04 <robbat2> but he's off camping at the moment +Aug 18 15:26:32 <NeddySeagoon> I would like to see the whole officer thing on the agenda for next month. rich0s temporary appointment runs out, other officers contine to server but were never appointed by the current board. e.g. me. +Aug 18 15:26:58 <robbat2> maybe take it to email, and finalize at that meeting? +Aug 18 15:27:07 <NeddySeagoon> Officers need to be reviewed and confirmed (or otherwise) in post +Aug 18 15:27:23 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I will add it to the agenda +Aug 18 15:27:48 <NeddySeagoon> Yeah - we can talk to calchan & antarus meanwhile too +Aug 18 15:27:58 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ? +Aug 18 15:28:06 <dabbott> none here +Aug 18 15:28:15 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, ? +Aug 18 15:28:21 <SwifT> ok +Aug 18 15:28:30 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, AoB ? +Aug 18 15:28:54 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: not for the meeting, if someone has links of material that would be useful to read, please send +Aug 18 15:29:10 <SwifT> www.gentoo.org/foundation has a few to start +Aug 18 15:29:23 <NeddySeagoon> yep. +Aug 18 15:29:46 <SwifT> I definitely like the activity tracker - would be nice to add pointers to the "how" as well (links would do just fine) +Aug 18 15:29:50 <NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs ... dabbot will you do motions please ? +Aug 18 15:30:06 <robbat2> and immediately after this meeting, i'm going to update the mail alias +Aug 18 15:30:12 <dabbott> SwifT: please update at will Betelgeuse also +Aug 18 15:30:20 <robbat2> to drop myself and rich0 +Aug 18 15:30:38 <robbat2> or do you want us around for a bit still? +Aug 18 15:30:45 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, rich0 is still an officer - please leave him on the alias +Aug 18 15:31:18 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, it may be good for you to stay on until the -infra liasion is sorted out +Aug 18 15:31:28 <dabbott> yes +Aug 18 15:31:33 <Betelgeuse> The "Articles of Incorporation of Gentoo Foundation, Inc." link is broken +Aug 18 15:32:18 <NeddySeagoon> Open floor ... +Aug 18 15:33:13 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, SwifT I have some document scans which were given to the 2008 board. I'll email them to you +Aug 18 15:33:25 <SwifT> ok +Aug 18 15:33:35 <robbat2> send to the alias rather than just them +Aug 18 15:34:07 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, have you had time to fix your report or shall we take it to email along the quantumsummers|c report ? +Aug 18 15:34:19 <dabbott> yea I fixed it +Aug 18 15:34:25 <robbat2> SwifT, Betelgeuse: for documentation purposes, I'd like to note that all email on the trustees alias is privately archived; and you can get a copy of it again if you need it +Aug 18 15:34:49 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, everyone else already has this stuff - I suspect Swift has seen it too +Aug 18 15:35:03 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, just so it's definetly in the archive +Aug 18 15:35:11 <NeddySeagoon> but OK, I'll send it to the alias +Aug 18 15:35:44 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: what does privately mean in this context? +Aug 18 15:35:57 <robbat2> Betelgeuse, if you want the archive, you need to ask somebody in infra for it +Aug 18 15:36:01 <robbat2> it's not in the public archives +Aug 18 15:36:19 <NeddySeagoon> As there ia nothing from quantumsummers|c we will take the Treasurers report and amended Secretaries report on the alias and vote next meeting +Aug 18 15:36:36 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: ok +Aug 18 15:36:42 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the 2013 AGM + diff --git a/2013/meeting-09-15.log b/2013/meeting-09-15.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..4b4be8c --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-09-15.log @@ -0,0 +1,185 @@ +Sep 15 15:05:46 <SwifT> 3. Old business - (a.) Annual Report NM DUE Oct/Nov +Sep 15 15:06:10 <dabbott> I have all the info needed +Sep 15 15:06:48 <dabbott> Nov 15 is the deadline so I will do it next month +Sep 15 15:07:18 <SwifT> ok +Sep 15 15:07:37 <dabbott> we only need a vice president but required +Sep 15 15:07:42 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to quantumsummers +Sep 15 15:07:54 <dabbott> hi quantumsummers :) +Sep 15 15:08:04 <quantumsummers> hello folks +Sep 15 15:08:16 <SwifT> ok; do we need to find a vice president right now? or can this be handled outside the meeting? +Sep 15 15:08:19 <SwifT> hi quantumsummers|c +Sep 15 15:08:24 <SwifT> (without |c then) +Sep 15 15:08:35 <quantumsummers> sorry am late been sick since 4am +Sep 15 15:08:54 <dabbott> we don't need it now just open +Sep 15 15:08:55 <SwifT> quantumsummers: no worries - just don't throw up on the keyboard +Sep 15 15:09:14 <quantumsummers> on my phone in the sick room actually. +Sep 15 15:09:46 <quantumsummers> regardless I'll try to reserve myself. +Sep 15 15:09:51 <SwifT> are there any requirements on the vice president? For instance, need to be US resident or not? +Sep 15 15:09:58 <quantumsummers> no +Sep 15 15:10:59 <quantumsummers> only thing is that they must not be prohibited from serving as an officer by a US court. +Sep 15 15:10:59 <SwifT> ok, I'll mail trustees@g.o to see who is candidate so we can fill it in +Sep 15 15:11:30 <dabbott> quantumsummers: next month I will file with NM, should I open a bug for it? +Sep 15 15:11:30 <quantumsummers> err, seem like I have been VP since ferris passed. +Sep 15 15:11:55 <dabbott> ok sound good I will add it to the form for NM +Sep 15 15:11:57 <SwifT> well, that would definitely be fine by me to keep you as VP +Sep 15 15:12:08 <Betelgeuse> seconded +Sep 15 15:12:09 <quantumsummers> on paper anyway. were we going to have robin or rich do that? +Sep 15 15:12:36 <quantumsummers> dabbott bug if you need it. +Sep 15 15:13:16 <dabbott> ok +Sep 15 15:13:19 <quantumsummers> dabbott let's get together next week and go over the filing. OK? +Sep 15 15:13:31 <dabbott> yes sounds good +Sep 15 15:13:38 <quantumsummers> cool. +Sep 15 15:13:54 <SwifT> ok; next on the agenda is the Activity Tracker +Sep 15 15:14:22 <dabbott> its pretty easy online now I have all the info just need to pay and looks like it is a done deal +Sep 15 15:14:23 <SwifT> it has seen a few changes since last meeting (annual report and such have been linked) +Sep 15 15:14:55 <SwifT> I find it a very handy worktool! +Sep 15 15:15:07 <quantumsummers> excuse me for a couple mins as I clean out. +Sep 15 15:15:47 <SwifT> anything else for the activity tracker? things missing? +Sep 15 15:16:14 <quantumsummers> not that bad. my report is not complete. +Sep 15 15:16:20 <dabbott> no I just need to update the election process some more +Sep 15 15:16:30 <quantumsummers> for which I apologize +Sep 15 15:16:38 <SwifT> quantumsummers: do you have an idea when we might have it ready? +Sep 15 15:17:37 <quantumsummers> not today, that is certain. I have most every thing back from our CPA. +Sep 15 15:17:48 <SwifT> CPA? +Sep 15 15:18:04 <quantumsummers> accountant +Sep 15 15:18:12 <SwifT> ok +Sep 15 15:18:30 <SwifT> are you also "in charge" for the IRS Return 990 ? +Sep 15 15:18:49 <quantumsummers> I will commit to finishing it this week. Yes the 990ez +Sep 15 15:19:00 <SwifT> ok, great +Sep 15 15:19:17 <quantumsummers> CPA manages all the tough stuff +Sep 15 15:19:43 <SwifT> as long as we file our stuff in due time +Sep 15 15:19:50 <quantumsummers> not that the 990ez is tough, but that is their profession +Sep 15 15:19:55 <SwifT> =) +Sep 15 15:20:09 <quantumsummers> we will file on time no prob +Sep 15 15:20:11 <SwifT> I think those are the things from the tracker that are in close proximity +Sep 15 15:20:25 <SwifT> next? +Sep 15 15:20:46 <dabbott> current efile info http://gentoo-pr.org/downloads/efile.pdf for review +Sep 15 15:20:56 <quantumsummers> cool +Sep 15 15:21:11 <SwifT> thx +Sep 15 15:21:55 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: my address is wrong +Sep 15 15:21:56 <SwifT> next on the agenda was quantumsummers with "Certified Public Accountant" (hah, now I see the abbrevation :-p ) and 501(c)3 registration status +Sep 15 15:22:10 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: It's Iivisniemenaukio not Livisniemenaukio +Sep 15 15:22:21 <SwifT> I assume some (most?) of that has already been said +Sep 15 15:22:26 <dabbott> ok noted +Sep 15 15:22:35 <quantumsummers> nothing new for that save what I noted above. +Sep 15 15:22:46 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: I have never seen FD as country code for Finland. +Sep 15 15:23:15 <SwifT> dabbott: my country is "BE" (Belgium), nog "BG" (Bulgaria) +Sep 15 15:23:18 <quantumsummers> Just put Suomi in there ;-) +Sep 15 15:23:42 <SwifT> unless it's not ISO codes in that file :p +Sep 15 15:24:11 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: since both of ours are weird it might not be :D +Sep 15 15:24:18 <quantumsummers> who knows these state govt forms have poor international QA +Sep 15 15:24:43 <dabbott> yep it is drop down :) +Sep 15 15:24:50 <SwifT> lol +Sep 15 15:24:51 <quantumsummers> where poor is likely none. +Sep 15 15:25:09 <SwifT> ok - next on the agenda is "Open trustee bugs" +Sep 15 15:25:11 <quantumsummers> dabbott now we should file a but +Sep 15 15:25:12 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: is there FI? +Sep 15 15:25:28 <quantumsummers> I dunno ask David. +Sep 15 15:25:52 <SwifT> anyone any trustee bugs that they want to discuss? +Sep 15 15:26:15 <dabbott> Its a drop down that puts that info in there itself I entered the correct country +Sep 15 15:26:37 <quantumsummers> I am not aware of any bugs that need attention. +Sep 15 15:27:13 <quantumsummers> pretty soon I will file the gsoc summit reimbursement bugs +Sep 15 15:27:32 <SwifT> ok - next on the agenda is "New Business - Officer status and vote" +Sep 15 15:27:37 <quantumsummers> and get the Google po in there with the o hers +Sep 15 15:28:53 <dabbott> I want to nominate Roy to continue as President +Sep 15 15:29:01 <SwifT> seconded +Sep 15 15:29:05 <quantumsummers> +1 +Sep 15 15:30:04 <Betelgeuse> I assume he's said he's willing? +Sep 15 15:30:09 <quantumsummers> that is a fair certainty +Sep 15 15:30:59 <dabbott> He just wanted it to be affirmed and recorded afair +Sep 15 15:31:04 <SwifT> I have not seen any in either direction from him, and he still has to accept (or decline) his nomination, but I'm fairly certain he's going for it as well +Sep 15 15:31:10 <Betelgeuse> ok +Sep 15 15:31:10 <quantumsummers> I'd be very surprised if he did not. +Sep 15 15:31:25 <quantumsummers> wfm. +Sep 15 15:31:31 <SwifT> Betelgeuse: you ok with Roy being nominated for another year of presidency? +Sep 15 15:31:55 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: sure +Sep 15 15:32:05 <SwifT> great +Sep 15 15:32:35 <SwifT> for vice presidency, quantumsummers is currently enlisted - for me, I also suggest keeping quantumsummers there ;) +Sep 15 15:33:28 <dabbott> seconded unless he want to just be the treasurer +Sep 15 15:33:34 <quantumsummers> in a few months I would like someone else as VP. let's just keep me in for the filings. +Sep 15 15:33:49 <Betelgeuse> ok +Sep 15 15:33:52 <SwifT> ok +Sep 15 15:33:54 <quantumsummers> I planned to stay treasurer +Sep 15 15:34:21 <SwifT> well, that brings us to the treasurer part nicely - +1 for quantumsummers as treasurer +Sep 15 15:34:48 <dabbott> seconded +Sep 15 15:34:49 <quantumsummers> up to now there have not been any duties specific to VP. we should change that with the new person. +Sep 15 15:35:08 <quantumsummers> thanks for keeping me +Sep 15 15:35:46 <dabbott> lets open a thread on the mail list for vp and duties and who would like the position +Sep 15 15:35:53 <SwifT> Betelgeuse: you agree with quantumsummers for treasurer? +Sep 15 15:35:57 <SwifT> dabbott: good idea +Sep 15 15:36:04 <quantumsummers> good idea +Sep 15 15:36:04 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: wfm +Sep 15 15:36:07 <SwifT> dabbott: mailinglist (-nfp) or alias? +Sep 15 15:36:16 <dabbott> alias for now +Sep 15 15:36:19 <SwifT> k +Sep 15 15:36:26 <SwifT> finally, secretary +Sep 15 15:36:28 <quantumsummers> +1 +Sep 15 15:36:38 <quantumsummers> keep dabbott +Sep 15 15:36:48 <SwifT> I think dabbott is doing a great job there, so I would like to keep him there for another year ;) +Sep 15 15:36:58 <dabbott> yes thanks +Sep 15 15:36:59 <quantumsummers> well said +Sep 15 15:37:14 <Betelgeuse> wfm +Sep 15 15:37:31 <SwifT> ok, I think we have all the standard officer roles done now +Sep 15 15:37:46 <SwifT> next on the agenda? +Sep 15 15:37:55 <SwifT> "Sponsorship Requests - Leaseweb" +Sep 15 15:38:36 <dabbott> LeaseWeb is done I should have removed it from the agenda, its in infra hands now +Sep 15 15:38:48 <SwifT> yup, we saw the leaseweb mails pass by +Sep 15 15:38:51 <quantumsummers> cool +Sep 15 15:39:04 <dabbott> Bug 482094 +Sep 15 15:39:05 <SwifT> so nothing for us anymore on Leaseweb? +Sep 15 15:39:42 <quantumsummers> I'm sure robbat2 will let us kno if anything comes up +Sep 15 15:39:57 <SwifT> next then is "Membership Applications - Doug Goldstein (cardoe@gentoo.org) and Steven J. Long (slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk)" +Sep 15 15:40:10 <dabbott> +1 +Sep 15 15:40:13 <Betelgeuse> +1 +Sep 15 15:40:16 <SwifT> +1 here as well +Sep 15 15:40:20 <quantumsummers> Goldstein +1 +Sep 15 15:40:37 <quantumsummers> is Long a dev now? +Sep 15 15:40:43 <SwifT> no he's not +Sep 15 15:40:53 <SwifT> at least, not to my knowledge +Sep 15 15:41:03 <dabbott> no community member Roy voiced his support +Sep 15 15:41:13 <quantumsummers> hmm. I have not read his stuff. I will abstain. +Sep 15 15:41:34 <Betelgeuse> I think he's been vocal on the mls +Sep 15 15:41:41 <dabbott> I don't know him that well his history anyway +Sep 15 15:41:47 <SwifT> from the Internets, I notice he's quite active for gentoo (forum & mailinglists) and shows mature interaction +Sep 15 15:41:56 <dabbott> he helps on gentoo-cev-help +Sep 15 15:42:12 <quantumsummers> yes. quite vocal. seems like he hit the devrel+ radar +Sep 15 15:42:35 <quantumsummers> I trust you guys +Sep 15 15:43:02 <quantumsummers> please proceed with my abstention. +Sep 15 15:43:07 <SwifT> ok +Sep 15 15:43:20 <dabbott> I'm ok with it +Sep 15 15:43:21 <SwifT> so we welcome Doug (4+) and Steven (3+) +Sep 15 15:43:43 <dabbott> I will send the mails to them +Sep 15 15:43:43 <SwifT> that's it for the fixed agenda +Sep 15 15:43:48 <SwifT> dabbott: great, thx +Sep 15 15:44:07 <SwifT> dabbott: will you also update the membership list accordingly? +Sep 15 15:44:16 <dabbott> yes will do +Sep 15 15:44:32 <quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +Sep 15 15:44:46 <quantumsummers> how do you like the app? +Sep 15 15:44:54 <SwifT> ok - that's it for the (fixed) agenda; +Sep 15 15:45:02 <quantumsummers> sucks don't it ;-) +Sep 15 15:45:15 <dabbott> quantumsummers: great can we update it for 1.4 as 1.2 will be removed soonish +Sep 15 15:45:57 <quantumsummers> sure. I think it will work with any django version, but lemme test in a venv +Sep 15 15:46:00 <dabbott> sorry its on 1.3 so +Sep 15 15:46:01 <SwifT> finally, "finishing touches" responsibilities +Sep 15 15:46:19 <SwifT> Who will post the log? I can do that tomorrow early +Sep 15 15:46:38 <dabbott> SwifT: i will do both +Sep 15 15:46:45 <SwifT> dabbott: ok +Sep 15 15:47:09 <SwifT> dabbott: with "both", you mean "post logs / minutes" ? +Sep 15 15:47:16 <dabbott> I will add the motions for membership and officers +Sep 15 15:47:21 <SwifT> great +Sep 15 15:47:24 <dabbott> yep +Sep 15 15:47:31 <dabbott> both +Sep 15 15:47:47 <SwifT> i'd vote you in for a decade of secretary :;p +Sep 15 15:48:04 <SwifT> I think we have had all agenda topics then; final is "open floor" +Sep 15 15:48:30 <dabbott> as for the agenda SwifT Betelgeuse quantumsummers feel free to add to or remove items as needed tracker also :) +Sep 15 15:48:39 <SwifT> dabbott: will do +Sep 15 15:48:48 <quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +Sep 15 15:48:51 <SwifT> quantumsummers: is the "treasurers report" linked ot the IRS filing? +Sep 15 15:48:59 <SwifT> quantumsummers: or are they separate things? +Sep 15 15:49:23 <quantumsummers> linked? we use the data from the CPA workup in the 990 +Sep 15 15:49:46 <quantumsummers> my report is aimed at a general audience +Sep 15 15:50:14 <SwifT> ok +Sep 15 15:50:24 <quantumsummers> so they are separate, formally. +Sep 15 15:52:17 <SwifT> on the trademark stuff, I've mailed the django sw foundation to see if we are allowed to create a trademark license similar to theirs - once I have answer from them, I'll make a gentoo-ified version for us to discuss +Sep 15 15:52:51 <dabbott> SwifT: thanks +Sep 15 15:53:52 <SwifT> if nothing else, we can close this meeting - next is on october 20th, 1900UTC - this channel diff --git a/2013/meeting-10-20.log b/2013/meeting-10-20.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..bcf615e --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-10-20.log @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +Oct 20 15:02:24 <NeddySeagoon> roll call +Oct 20 15:02:28 <dabbott> here +Oct 20 15:02:56 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, quantumsummers|c SwifT +Oct 20 15:02:57 <Betelgeuse> here +Oct 20 15:03:18 <SwifT> here +Oct 20 15:03:20 <NeddySeagoon> My logger is here +Oct 20 15:03:36 <dabbott> me also +Oct 20 15:03:59 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... lets start +Oct 20 15:04:23 <NeddySeagoon> Annual Report NM DUE Oct/Nov +Oct 20 15:04:43 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, is that yours ? +Oct 20 15:04:53 <dabbott> we can efile i sent the info to quantumsummers|c so he can login and pay +Oct 20 15:05:16 <dabbott> if nothing happens by the first I will do it +Oct 20 15:05:51 <NeddySeagoon> ok - the action is with quantumsummers|c +Oct 20 15:06:19 <dabbott> I think it is better to pay from the gentoo account not my personal +Oct 20 15:06:29 <NeddySeagoon> Treasurer Report -> quantumsummers|c again ? +Oct 20 15:06:45 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, agreed +Oct 20 15:07:37 <NeddySeagoon> Foundation Activity Tracker only te report due ? +Oct 20 15:08:17 <dabbott> yep +Oct 20 15:09:07 <NeddySeagoon> the financial stuff needs quantumsummers|c +Oct 20 15:09:34 <NeddySeagoon> Item 4 bugs +Oct 20 15:11:22 <NeddySeagoon> Are there any pressing items ? +Oct 20 15:12:19 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Betelgeuse dabbott ^^ +Oct 20 15:12:25 <SwifT> no, nothing that I see +Oct 20 15:12:40 <SwifT> the Steven bug (cfr also emails) can be closed afaik +Oct 20 15:12:48 <dabbott> yes +Oct 20 15:12:51 <SwifT> he was accepted in in the previous meeting +Oct 20 15:12:51 <NeddySeagoon> agreed +Oct 20 15:13:34 <NeddySeagoon> care to update te bug ? +Oct 20 15:13:47 <dabbott> Morphodo may be done, Robin was handling it afaik +Oct 20 15:14:18 <SwifT> sure, I'll close and welcome Steven in the bug +Oct 20 15:14:22 <dabbott> LeaseWeb is done I can close it +Oct 20 15:14:48 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Oct 20 15:15:08 <NeddySeagoon> 5. New Business - None +Oct 20 15:15:25 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +Oct 20 15:15:36 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 17 Nov 2013 19:00 UTC +Oct 20 15:15:40 <NeddySeagoon> wfm +Oct 20 15:15:46 <dabbott> Fine here +Oct 20 15:15:51 <SwifT> yup +Oct 20 15:16:03 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ? +Oct 20 15:16:26 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: just a minute +Oct 20 15:16:28 <Betelgeuse> need to find my phone +Oct 20 15:16:38 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Oct 20 15:17:42 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: time ok +Oct 20 15:17:57 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Oct 20 15:18:08 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, ? +Oct 20 15:18:34 <SwifT> one thing +Oct 20 15:18:57 <SwifT> I got feedback frmo the Django folks that they opened up their trademark text so we can easily base ours on it +Oct 20 15:19:07 <SwifT> (regarding the usage guidelines of the Gento name and logo) +Oct 20 15:19:24 <NeddySeagoon> Thats usefull :) +Oct 20 15:19:32 <dabbott> thanks :) +Oct 20 15:19:33 <SwifT> quantumsummers|c mentioned that license texts cannot be copyrighted, so it might not matter even, but I couldn't find a good resource on that, so better safe than sorry ;) +Oct 20 15:19:50 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Oct 20 15:19:55 <SwifT> i'll draft up a gentoo text based on the django text so we can discuss that in the next meeting +Oct 20 15:20:02 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: probably such a rule wouldn't be global any way +Oct 20 15:20:04 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, aob ? +Oct 20 15:20:12 <dabbott> no +Oct 20 15:20:45 <dabbott> I emaile quantumsummers|c I thunk he is at the Google summit +Oct 20 15:20:49 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, true bu we are a OSA entity +Oct 20 15:20:59 <NeddySeagoon> USA* +Oct 20 15:21:25 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, aob ? +Oct 20 15:21:31 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: in this case it would matter who contributed to the django text etc +Oct 20 15:21:52 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: no +Oct 20 15:22:08 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: no new members etc? +Oct 20 15:22:37 <Betelgeuse> Guess I would have seen the emails on the alias +Oct 20 15:23:03 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: Let's just mark for next meeting to check how big of a percentage of new devs apply to join +Oct 20 15:23:06 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, that could affect copyright but not licence +Oct 20 15:23:09 <Betelgeuse> I can check some numbers +Oct 20 15:23:31 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ok +Oct 20 15:23:48 <NeddySeagoon> I have one item +Oct 20 15:24:19 <NeddySeagoon> Sopt logs seem to be missing +Oct 20 15:24:31 <NeddySeagoon> Sept* +Oct 20 15:25:19 <dabbott> I must of forgot I will fix +Oct 20 15:25:22 <NeddySeagoon> can someone post them please ? +Oct 20 15:26:21 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: ^^ +Oct 20 15:26:22 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you want to do todayo log too ? +Oct 20 15:26:56 <dabbott> yes I can do the log and todays also at the same time +Oct 20 15:27:09 <NeddySeagoon> lastly, Open Floor +Oct 20 15:27:18 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Oct 20 15:27:45 <dilfridge> err +Oct 20 15:27:50 <dilfridge> may I? +Oct 20 15:28:29 <dabbott> dilfridge: go ahead +Oct 20 15:28:40 <NeddySeagoon> dilfridge, ? +Oct 20 15:28:52 <dilfridge> just for your information, since I consider trustees to be one of the groups intrinsically entitled, +Oct 20 15:29:11 <dilfridge> if any of you wants to have admin permissions for the facebook page, just message me. +Oct 20 15:29:21 <dilfridge> that's all. +Oct 20 15:29:40 <NeddySeagoon> thanks dilfridge +Oct 20 15:29:47 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting +Oct 20 15:30:06 <NeddySeagoon> thank you team diff --git a/2013/meeting-11-17.log b/2013/meeting-11-17.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..fa2fe46 --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-11-17.log @@ -0,0 +1,259 @@ +Nov 17 14:02:37 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to open the November meeting +Nov 17 14:02:46 <Betelgeuse> hello +Nov 17 14:02:50 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call +Nov 17 14:03:06 <dabbott> present +Nov 17 14:03:09 * quantumsummers is present +Nov 17 14:03:13 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, quantumsummers dabbott ? +Nov 17 14:03:14 <SwifT> persent +Nov 17 14:03:19 <SwifT> err, present +Nov 17 14:03:45 <NeddySeagoon> we have a quorum +Nov 17 14:03:53 * quantumsummers pokes Betelgeuse +Nov 17 14:03:59 <NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +Nov 17 14:04:06 <dabbott> me too +Nov 17 14:04:25 <dabbott> make sure to reload the agenda +Nov 17 14:04:26 <NeddySeagoon> well, my logger is here ... +Nov 17 14:04:30 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: wazza? +Nov 17 14:04:48 <NeddySeagoon> Foundation Activity Tracker ... +Nov 17 14:04:55 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: missed you at the summit this year :) +Nov 17 14:05:29 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: how sweat :) +Nov 17 14:05:37 <quantumsummers> sweet I assume :D +Nov 17 14:05:47 <SwifT> smelly sweet +Nov 17 14:05:48 <SwifT> :) +Nov 17 14:05:49 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon, all: the only major event was the irs 990-EZ filing, which is done +Nov 17 14:05:53 <NeddySeagoon> IRS Return 990 due 15-Nov-2013 +Nov 17 14:05:56 <quantumsummers> done +Nov 17 14:06:01 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: that too +Nov 17 14:06:13 <quantumsummers> done did it a few weeks back actually +Nov 17 14:06:34 <dabbott> how about the Treasurer Report? +Nov 17 14:06:37 <NeddySeagoon> tracker needs to be updated. Can we still get rich0 to do that ? +Nov 17 14:06:39 <quantumsummers> mark us for Nov 15th 2014 +Nov 17 14:06:43 <dabbott> did i miss it +Nov 17 14:06:48 <quantumsummers> dabbott: have I not sent that in yet? +Nov 17 14:06:58 <quantumsummers> geez, ok, let me see +Nov 17 14:07:02 <quantumsummers> I have it somewhere +Nov 17 14:07:10 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I will update the tracker he is busy with council +Nov 17 14:07:12 <quantumsummers> gist, we are doing pretty well financially +Nov 17 14:07:31 <quantumsummers> more income that expenses +Nov 17 14:07:31 <NeddySeagoon> the slacker :) +Nov 17 14:08:08 <quantumsummers> when you get to my section of things, I have some items +Nov 17 14:08:13 <quantumsummers> though new business +Nov 17 14:08:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, was going to send me a patch for the presidents report too +Nov 17 14:09:01 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you have the floor +Nov 17 14:09:17 <quantumsummers> thanks +Nov 17 14:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> Financial | Legal Status ... +Nov 17 14:09:30 <robbat2> sorry, i totally forgot +Nov 17 14:09:31 <quantumsummers> so I have 2 groups looking at long-term donation/support +Nov 17 14:09:39 <quantumsummers> negotiating a little with them +Nov 17 14:09:43 <quantumsummers> so that is interesting +Nov 17 14:09:46 <robbat2> and thanks for pinging me, because I have something in new business +Nov 17 14:10:27 <quantumsummers> Also: we have some interest in "certifying" devs interested in doing Gentoo-related work on a contract bassis +Nov 17 14:10:30 <quantumsummers> *basis +Nov 17 14:11:03 <quantumsummers> so, it is similar to what we have now on the page for devs for hire +Nov 17 14:11:18 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm .. we can certify that they are devs +Nov 17 14:11:19 <quantumsummers> though the idea was to have them donate some portion +Nov 17 14:11:42 <quantumsummers> have a section for those that support gentoo via donating some portion of the contract value +Nov 17 14:11:43 <dabbott> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/consultants.xml +Nov 17 14:11:53 <quantumsummers> exactly +Nov 17 14:12:05 <quantumsummers> also Donnie has insisted that I put my company on there +Nov 17 14:12:21 <quantumsummers> this all came from a convo with Donnie, Lance, Seemant, and Denis +Nov 17 14:12:23 <NeddySeagoon> why not quantumsummers ? +Nov 17 14:12:50 <quantumsummers> well, I had some concerns about conflict of interest, however I think those are all moot now +Nov 17 14:13:12 <quantumsummers> after some discussion with my attorney and the Gentoo CPA, they thought it would be no biggie +Nov 17 14:13:17 <quantumsummers> so I would like to be on there +Nov 17 14:13:41 <quantumsummers> also, I am working up a proposal that would include some donation to the foundation based on a percentage of the contract +Nov 17 14:13:46 <quantumsummers> this is the main thrust +Nov 17 14:13:51 <dabbott> I say go ahead you are a dev like anyone else +Nov 17 14:13:55 <quantumsummers> do we want something like that from peeps on that list +Nov 17 14:14:03 <NeddySeagoon> I don't mind adding devs companies/names as long as we stop short of reccomendations +Nov 17 14:14:08 <quantumsummers> right +Nov 17 14:14:16 <quantumsummers> I agree with NeddySeagoon on that bit +Nov 17 14:14:43 <quantumsummers> however, do we want to make some stipulation or identifyer that shows a donation would be made? +Nov 17 14:14:49 <quantumsummers> on the apge +Nov 17 14:14:51 <quantumsummers> pgae +Nov 17 14:14:56 <dabbott> There is a disclaimer at the begining of the document +Nov 17 14:14:57 <quantumsummers> argh, p.a.g.e. +Nov 17 14:15:12 <NeddySeagoon> Its a caso of thes are devs for hire - you mak up your own mind if they can do your job +Nov 17 14:15:25 <quantumsummers> dabbott: right, however what I am asking is if we want to denote who will make a donation based on an agreement +Nov 17 14:15:26 <SwifT> i'm not sure the donation thingie would stick as a mandatory thing +Nov 17 14:15:35 <quantumsummers> not mandatory +Nov 17 14:15:57 <quantumsummers> just something that would denote that a donation would be made, like a badge or something +Nov 17 14:16:13 <NeddySeagoon> I'm not concerned about the donations from devs +Nov 17 14:16:22 <quantumsummers> ok, what about non-devs +Nov 17 14:16:27 <dabbott> speaking of donations we still don't get the paypal emails +Nov 17 14:16:36 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I know, I need to call +Nov 17 14:16:39 <SwifT> ah, so the devs/companies that do donate something get a specific visualization... I'm okay with that +Nov 17 14:16:47 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I fiddled with the settings, but it did nothing evidently +Nov 17 14:16:52 <quantumsummers> SwifT: yes +Nov 17 14:16:57 <dabbott> are they going to the spam hole +Nov 17 14:16:59 <quantumsummers> something to that effect +Nov 17 14:17:05 <quantumsummers> dabbott: not that I have seen +Nov 17 14:17:28 <NeddySeagoon> Non devs ... I'm not sure ... lets run a pilot with devs first +Nov 17 14:17:28 <quantumsummers> So, if there is some interest in this, I can draft up a doc outlining the policy for your review +Nov 17 14:17:47 <dabbott> strange, we use to get them for every donation, I would send a thank-you note +Nov 17 14:17:48 <quantumsummers> for example, I would be happy to give 10 % or 15 % of net +Nov 17 14:17:59 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I know, then they just stopped +Nov 17 14:18:01 <quantumsummers> weird +Nov 17 14:18:10 <quantumsummers> we are still getting donations though +Nov 17 14:18:13 <quantumsummers> regularly +Nov 17 14:18:22 <Betelgeuse> It's not a donation if we make a contract based on income +Nov 17 14:18:29 <quantumsummers> yes it is +Nov 17 14:18:36 <NeddySeagoon> maybe paypal stopped tem +Nov 17 14:18:40 <NeddySeagoon> them +Nov 17 14:18:50 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: maybe different rules there then +Nov 17 14:18:53 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: well the option to receive the emails is still there +Nov 17 14:19:05 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: yes, we would make it entirely voluntary +Nov 17 14:19:16 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: then you need no contract +Nov 17 14:19:24 <quantumsummers> not with the foundation +Nov 17 14:19:30 <quantumsummers> I meant a contract with a client +Nov 17 14:19:42 <NeddySeagoon> We do't want to be seen to be trading ... +Nov 17 14:19:57 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: ah ok, that's your business +Nov 17 14:19:58 <quantumsummers> yeah, it could get a little murky +Nov 17 14:20:10 <quantumsummers> let me paint a picture +Nov 17 14:20:22 <quantumsummers> client finds me on that consultants page +Nov 17 14:20:33 <quantumsummers> client agrees to contract me for 10,000 USD +Nov 17 14:20:38 <quantumsummers> I then do the work +Nov 17 14:20:46 <quantumsummers> lets say I net 8,000USD +Nov 17 14:20:58 <quantumsummers> then I donate 800USD to gentoo +Nov 17 14:21:07 <quantumsummers> happy times +Nov 17 14:21:09 <NeddySeagoon> the IRS is too kind +Nov 17 14:21:21 <quantumsummers> I was not considering taxes prior to net +Nov 17 14:21:37 <quantumsummers> anyway, just an example +Nov 17 14:21:51 <quantumsummers> lets say there is some interest and it needs further fleshing out +Nov 17 14:22:00 <quantumsummers> I will do that and we can talk about it at the next meeting +Nov 17 14:22:01 <SwifT> perhaps (just a suggestion) the donation statement itself can be added/linked, so each company can tell how it would go forth +Nov 17 14:22:05 <NeddySeagoon> I can see how it works and think its worth a try +Nov 17 14:22:05 <SwifT> ok +Nov 17 14:22:14 <quantumsummers> SwifT: great idea +Nov 17 14:22:31 <NeddySeagoon> Sounds good +Nov 17 14:22:34 <quantumsummers> cool +Nov 17 14:22:49 <quantumsummers> let's see, I think that is the main thing I wanted to discuss +Nov 17 14:22:55 <quantumsummers> so, therefore, I am finished +Nov 17 14:23:18 <quantumsummers> thanks for entertaining my blather +Nov 17 14:23:21 <NeddySeagoon> Has the CPA sent in an invoice yet ? +Nov 17 14:23:42 <quantumsummers> no, I should receive this one any day however +Nov 17 14:23:49 <quantumsummers> it will be < $1000 +Nov 17 14:23:58 <quantumsummers> like 975 or so +Nov 17 14:24:13 <quantumsummers> I forget what they said +Nov 17 14:24:24 <dabbott> quantumsummers: sounds good, thanks +Nov 17 14:24:28 <NeddySeagoon> OK ... I'm a little unhappy it will cover wark over 3 FYs +Nov 17 14:24:29 <quantumsummers> also, I already reimbursed all for the gsoc mentor summit +Nov 17 14:24:51 <NeddySeagoon> sounds good +Nov 17 14:24:52 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I think some of that went into my bill +Nov 17 14:24:56 <quantumsummers> previously +Nov 17 14:25:00 <quantumsummers> no biggie +Nov 17 14:25:05 <dabbott> for sure :) +Nov 17 14:25:07 <quantumsummers> I didnt notice +Nov 17 14:25:45 <NeddySeagoon> OK ... as long as its kept separate from here on +Nov 17 14:25:55 <quantumsummers> absolutely +Nov 17 14:26:23 <NeddySeagoon> Any movement on 501(c)(3) registration status +Nov 17 14:26:32 <quantumsummers> nothing that I have seen +Nov 17 14:26:49 <dabbott> quantumsummers: I can help out if I get the numbers, Can we start to post a financial report every 4 months Jan, May, and the AGM in Aug? +Nov 17 14:26:52 <quantumsummers> I'll give a call next week, probably a good idea +Nov 17 14:27:03 <quantumsummers> dabbott: Lets do quarterly +Nov 17 14:27:05 <dabbott> For the Jan and May only need a balance sheet listing the balances of all accounts, this could be kept on the wiki, and for the Aug (AGM) a more detailed report. +Nov 17 14:27:16 <quantumsummers> sure, I have been wanting to do this too +Nov 17 14:27:25 <quantumsummers> quarterly makes more sense though +Nov 17 14:27:34 <dabbott> ok +Nov 17 14:27:38 <quantumsummers> and should be pretty easy +Nov 17 14:27:41 <NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Bugs. I've been slacking. Do we need to review bugs ? +Nov 17 14:28:33 <quantumsummers> the only one that I have been somewhat active with is the embargoed country thing +Nov 17 14:28:51 <dabbott> and the copyright https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350759 +Nov 17 14:29:54 <quantumsummers> yeah, we could just stick the new year in the template or just stick a circle-C with no year +Nov 17 14:30:03 <robbat2> i'll fix that one quickly +Nov 17 14:30:05 <quantumsummers> I am fond of the latter +Nov 17 14:30:09 <robbat2> since it's infra-territory +Nov 17 14:30:15 <robbat2> no, it should be the year of the last change +Nov 17 14:30:20 <quantumsummers> thanks robbat2 +Nov 17 14:30:35 <dabbott> robbat2: to the rescue ++ +Nov 17 14:30:36 <SwifT> I believe USA and some other countries require a year to be init +Nov 17 14:31:28 <NeddySeagoon> any more bugs ? +Nov 17 14:32:11 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, there is nothing in new business - your turn +Nov 17 14:32:29 <robbat2> so I went and spoke to #ntp the other day because I had a fun bug in NTP +Nov 17 14:32:39 <robbat2> and I was approached by one of their head folk +Nov 17 14:32:48 <robbat2> to ask if Gentoo would consider joining the NTP consortium +Nov 17 14:33:10 <robbat2> http://nwtime.org/projects/ntp/ +Nov 17 14:33:26 <robbat2> debian and netbsd are already there +Nov 17 14:33:29 <NeddySeagoon> What are the risks and opportunities ? +Nov 17 14:33:57 <robbat2> they will be expanding the site to explicitly mention open-source distribution membership +Nov 17 14:34:12 <robbat2> because distros don't quite fit under the institutional membership +Nov 17 14:34:32 <SwifT> yeah, quite expensive otherwise :p +Nov 17 14:34:45 <dabbott> so what is the fee +Nov 17 14:34:52 <quantumsummers> pretty pricey +Nov 17 14:34:53 <robbat2> from US, they'd like some reciprocal PR, and possibly a much smaller donation +Nov 17 14:35:03 <robbat2> i was asked not to state the fee publically +Nov 17 14:35:09 <robbat2> so I can put it in email if you want +Nov 17 14:35:13 <quantumsummers> seems reasonable, assuming it was not too $$$ +Nov 17 14:35:31 <robbat2> what I'm trying to get from them +Nov 17 14:35:35 <robbat2> is what value we actually get from it +Nov 17 14:35:59 <robbat2> we already get advanced security notifications via the normal channels +Nov 17 14:36:08 <NeddySeagoon> everone uses NTP - even Windows users +Nov 17 14:36:28 <robbat2> i mean what value we get from the membership +Nov 17 14:36:33 <robbat2> that we don't have otherwise +Nov 17 14:36:45 <robbat2> if you want to do it for general goodwill, i'm fine with that +Nov 17 14:37:03 <NeddySeagoon> Its worth following up +Nov 17 14:37:15 <SwifT> if debian is also under that open-source distributino membership, perhaps we can ask them as well what their decision was (and reasoning) to become a member? +Nov 17 14:37:53 <quantumsummers> good idea +Nov 17 14:38:03 <NeddySeagoon> thers no harm in asking +Nov 17 14:38:08 <quantumsummers> I am interested in greater collab with Debian +Nov 17 14:38:15 <quantumsummers> esp. w.r.t. init +Nov 17 14:38:30 <quantumsummers> anything else we can work together on is great +Nov 17 14:38:32 <robbat2> ok, i'll discuss it a bit more with the NTP guys, and bring back a proposal +Nov 17 14:38:37 <quantumsummers> thanks robbat2 +Nov 17 14:38:49 <robbat2> i need to get my act together and write up funding requests for some SSL certs too +Nov 17 14:39:27 <NeddySeagoon> if we are going to support random FOSS prajects, we need some guideliness on how we pick and choose +Nov 17 14:40:03 <NeddySeagoon> any more robbat2 ? +Nov 17 14:40:05 <quantumsummers> (reminds me, I do have another New Business item) +Nov 17 14:40:09 <robbat2> that's it from me +Nov 17 14:40:22 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ... +Nov 17 14:40:25 <quantumsummers> ok +Nov 17 14:40:27 <quantumsummers> thanks +Nov 17 14:40:53 <quantumsummers> so I talked with our previous SFLC rep at the mentor summit. Karen Sandler now is the Exec Director at the Gnome Foundation +Nov 17 14:41:11 <quantumsummers> they have a GSOC style program called Outreach Program for Women +Nov 17 14:41:17 <quantumsummers> I would like Gentoo to participate +Nov 17 14:41:30 <quantumsummers> it is not cheap, but I think we would get a lot out of it +Nov 17 14:41:50 <NeddySeagoon> Why the gender discrimination ? +Nov 17 14:41:51 <quantumsummers> there is some funds matching, and I am more than happy to run a specific fundraiser for this +Nov 17 14:42:14 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I assume that is meant to be funny, but in FOSS we have <4% women +Nov 17 14:42:26 <quantumsummers> in proprietary sw there is 18% +Nov 17 14:42:43 <quantumsummers> http://gnome.org/opw/ +Nov 17 14:42:55 <quantumsummers> it is not just code, can be lots of things +Nov 17 14:43:05 <quantumsummers> PR, writing, code, design, marketing, etc +Nov 17 14:43:30 <quantumsummers> last I checked gentoo is less than 1% women devs so we are not doing too well there +Nov 17 14:43:41 <quantumsummers> might be 0% now +Nov 17 14:44:04 <quantumsummers> I plan to write up a proper proposal for this, but please take a look and consider it +Nov 17 14:44:07 <NeddySeagoon> Not really. I'm old enough to remember 'bussing' in the South of the USA and all the positive discrimination that grew out of it. +Nov 17 14:44:34 <quantumsummers> I am not sure what positive discrimination you could mean, affirmative action? +Nov 17 14:45:02 <quantumsummers> at any rate, it is for women and those that identify as women +Nov 17 14:45:21 <quantumsummers> no age limit either, so not necessarily students +Nov 17 14:45:28 <dabbott> wormo is the only woman dev afaik and she has not been able to be very active +Nov 17 14:45:34 <quantumsummers> right +Nov 17 14:45:38 <robbat2> quantumsummers, it's non-zero, but not by far +Nov 17 14:45:49 <robbat2> there are more than wormo +Nov 17 14:45:50 <quantumsummers> robbat2: indeed, I thought wormo retired +Nov 17 14:46:02 <quantumsummers> well, all the more reason +Nov 17 14:46:50 <NeddySeagoon> Thats another way to put it. In the UK at least, things went too far ... I'wm concerned that this might be another instance of that, in years to come +Nov 17 14:47:02 <dabbott> we can discuss over email +Nov 17 14:48:07 <NeddySeagoon> Its not an issues right now ... the problem comes when its served its usefulness +Nov 17 14:48:34 <quantumsummers> this is a year by year thing, so we are not obligated to much +Nov 17 14:48:47 <quantumsummers> anyway, I can't see anything but positive points now +Nov 17 14:48:55 <quantumsummers> happy to be informed +Nov 17 14:48:58 <quantumsummers> email it is +Nov 17 14:49:07 <NeddySeagoon> I'm fine with it on a year by year basisi +Nov 17 14:49:18 <quantumsummers> great +Nov 17 14:49:33 <quantumsummers> that is the way we would handle it, year by year +Nov 17 14:49:35 * quantumsummers is done now for real this time :) +Nov 17 14:49:40 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 15 Dec 2013 19:00 UTC +Nov 17 14:49:52 <dabbott> ok here +Nov 17 14:49:57 <SwifT> ok +Nov 17 14:50:05 <robbat2> i fixed that copyright bug now +Nov 17 14:50:15 <NeddySeagoon> thanks robbat2 +Nov 17 14:50:32 <Betelgeuse> thanks +Nov 17 14:50:33 <robbat2> the frontpage is cached btw, so you won't see it right away +Nov 17 14:50:33 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I can post the logs and minutes +Nov 17 14:50:43 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, quantumsummers ^^ +Nov 17 14:50:56 <quantumsummers> date works for me +Nov 17 14:51:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Nov 17 14:51:20 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +Nov 17 14:51:28 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: ok +Nov 17 14:52:07 * NeddySeagoon is still learning dvorak-uk +Nov 17 14:52:46 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2013/meeting-12-15.log b/2013/meeting-12-15.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..c01ef0d --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-12-15.log @@ -0,0 +1,173 @@ +Dec 15 14:00:08 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call +Dec 15 14:00:34 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, SwifT quantumsummers|c +Dec 15 14:00:36 <dabbott> I'm logging too, present +Dec 15 14:00:50 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, said he may not make it +Dec 15 14:00:51 <SwifT> make it just in time +Dec 15 14:00:52 <quantumsummers|c> hello +Dec 15 14:00:52 <dabbott> SwifT: said he is on the road +Dec 15 14:01:01 <SwifT> just have to take my coat off +Dec 15 14:01:09 <dabbott> sorry SwifT hello :) +Dec 15 14:01:13 <SwifT> np +Dec 15 14:01:23 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start +Dec 15 14:01:24 <SwifT> and I still drove within the limits :p +Dec 15 14:01:30 * quantumsummers|c may have to run off to manage kids from time to time +Dec 15 14:02:00 <dabbott> hi quantumsummers|c Betelgeuse o/ +Dec 15 14:02:14 <NeddySeagoon> Foundation Activity Tracker - looks like everything is up to date +Dec 15 14:02:48 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Quarterly Financial Statements ... +Dec 15 14:03:17 <dabbott> I put together that wiki page for review, is this what we want to do? +Dec 15 14:03:41 <dabbott> if it is just need the numbers to proceed +Dec 15 14:03:57 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, looks good to me. Do yo intend to bigrate the history? +Dec 15 14:04:07 <quantumsummers|c> working on packaging them now dabbott +Dec 15 14:04:09 <NeddySeagoon> migrate* +Dec 15 14:04:09 <dabbott> yes +Dec 15 14:04:27 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: sounds good :) +Dec 15 14:05:09 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, your turn ... Treasurer Report (I missed that) +Dec 15 14:06:47 * SwifT guesses one of his kids ran off ;) +Dec 15 14:07:24 <dol-sen> if he says we have $15M, I change my mind about that desk ;) +Dec 15 14:07:26 <NeddySeagoon> looks lke quantumsummers|c is rounding up children ... Swift your turn Gentoo Trademark License Agreement +Dec 15 14:07:33 <quantumsummers|c> well we dont have that +Dec 15 14:07:46 <SwifT> quantumsummers|c: the floor is yours +Dec 15 14:08:23 <quantumsummers|c> gonna have to come back .. runs +Dec 15 14:08:34 <SwifT> ok, i'll do a bit on the trademark license then +Dec 15 14:08:45 <SwifT> I wrote up a new text based on the django one and sent it to you guys +Dec 15 14:08:46 <NeddySeagoon> hes outnumbered :) +Dec 15 14:09:01 <SwifT> i have a few things I'm not certain about, mentioned as notes in the document +Dec 15 14:09:35 <SwifT> the most important one is to know if the new license has at least the same things are the current one +Dec 15 14:10:02 <SwifT> if it does, then there is no issue with people/orgnizations that based the name/logo usage on the previous (well, current ;-) license +Dec 15 14:10:03 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, I only have some trivia ... but I'm nervous about the council representing Gentoo +Dec 15 14:10:28 <SwifT> I could drop that part; Django had something like that so I just copied ;) +Dec 15 14:11:13 <NeddySeagoon> We can say that existing licenced activities are not affcted +Dec 15 14:11:57 <SwifT> so keep the current one (albeit with a marking that it is no longer applicable to new applications) and refer to it for the previous applications (that predate the new license) +Dec 15 14:12:28 <SwifT> should we incorporate some timing in the license? Like ask applicants to check on a yearly basis if there are updates to it? +Dec 15 14:12:30 <NeddySeagoon> It saves having to validate that old and new are compatible +Dec 15 14:13:56 <SwifT> a second question I have is if we should discuss the license on -nfp or -project before going live? +Dec 15 14:14:19 <NeddySeagoon> That souns overy onourous - wolud we really expect licencees to change? Users should consult the licence at each use +Dec 15 14:15:11 <SwifT> it would help us that we don't need to keep older licenses at hand for eternity +Dec 15 14:15:13 <NeddySeagoon> Discuss on -nfp and post an announce on -project +Dec 15 14:16:02 <NeddySeagoon> Are we really going to say "you can't do that any more" ? +Dec 15 14:16:08 <SwifT> most licenses are time-bound, but that is not that common in the free software world (more in propriatary one) +Dec 15 14:16:28 <NeddySeagoon> How oten is the licence likely to change? +Dec 15 14:16:34 <SwifT> it's more to handle misinterpretations better +Dec 15 14:16:45 <NeddySeagoon> agreed +Dec 15 14:16:46 <SwifT> at the pace we do it, it'll be somewhere in 2038 when Unix time changes ;) +Dec 15 14:17:12 <SwifT> otoh, we do already have an "interpretation" clause in it +Dec 15 14:17:23 <SwifT> "The Gentoo Foundation reserves the right to determine if a usage of the Gentoo trademark meets the requirements and standards of this license. " +Dec 15 14:17:51 <NeddySeagoon> If it came to the "you can't do that any more" we would probably offer an exception anyway, which is just another licence +Dec 15 14:18:02 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Dec 15 14:18:29 <SwifT> so, to deal with the few notes I had: +Dec 15 14:18:44 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Betelgeuse your thoughts ? +Dec 15 14:18:51 <SwifT> (1.) Gentoo-related software projects: does this apply to us? +Dec 15 14:19:03 <SwifT> You may use the Gentoo name in the form "Gentoo-foo" or "foo-Gentoo" in any software project that can be used to augment or extend the capabilities of official Gentoo project software, provided that: +Dec 15 14:19:06 <dabbott> looks fine to me +Dec 15 14:19:07 <SwifT> The project is distributed under the terms of an OSI-approved open source license; +Dec 15 14:19:10 <SwifT> The website for the project does not imply that it is official or otherwise endorsed by the Gentoo Foundation, or by the Gentoo Council as representatives of the Gentoo project. +Dec 15 14:19:24 <SwifT> no objections to keep it in? +Dec 15 14:20:07 <NeddySeagoon> or by the Gentoo Council as representatives of the Gentoo project. is not good as the council has no legal stats +Dec 15 14:20:12 <NeddySeagoon> status. +Dec 15 14:20:23 <SwifT> yes, i'll drop the references to the council in the document +Dec 15 14:20:32 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Dec 15 14:20:36 <SwifT> (2.) Other commercial activity: You may not use the Gentoo name in the registered name of any company that offers Gentoo project related services. +Dec 15 14:20:39 <SwifT> You may not incorporate the Gentoo name or logo into the name of any product to be sold by a commercial entity when that product or entity is Gentoo project related. +Dec 15 14:21:13 <SwifT> ok to keep that in? +Dec 15 14:21:33 <NeddySeagoon> The Gentoo Foundation is properly called The Gentoo Foundation Inc. +Dec 15 14:21:49 <NeddySeagoon> wfm +Dec 15 14:21:49 <SwifT> ok, will add the "Inc" part to it +Dec 15 14:22:00 <SwifT> is it "The Gentoo Foundation Inc." or "The Gentoo Foundation, Inc." ? +Dec 15 14:22:13 <NeddySeagoon> the former +Dec 15 14:22:44 <SwifT> ok +Dec 15 14:23:26 <dabbott> yep GENTOO FOUNDATION, INC thats in NM +Dec 15 14:23:57 <dabbott> https://portal.sos.state.nm.us/corps/Corplookup/Lookdn.aspx +Dec 15 14:23:58 <NeddySeagoon> I did not do a proper compare with the old terms of use, but I did not see any clashes +Dec 15 14:24:02 <SwifT> ok then, i'll update the document and first send it to trustees@gentoo.org and after a few days, if there are no further remarks, see if the community has any feedback on the gentoo-nfp@g.o mailinglist. +Dec 15 14:24:09 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: can we get a link to your draft for the logs +Dec 15 14:24:16 <SwifT> sure: http://dev.gentoo.org/~swift/tmp/gentoo-trademark.xml +Dec 15 14:24:52 <SwifT> after gentoo-nfp discussion we'll see by mail if we can move it to the site immediately, or if it needs another discussion on IRC, k? +Dec 15 14:25:10 <SwifT> dabbott: do hey always shout there? ;) +Dec 15 14:25:12 <dabbott> sounds good thanks SwifT +Dec 15 14:25:28 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Dec 15 14:25:33 <NeddySeagoon> As quantumsummers|c is still MIA, lets move onto bugs +Dec 15 14:25:34 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: sounds like a good plan +Dec 15 14:25:59 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: when posting to the ml, let's list clearly the motivation too +Dec 15 14:26:17 <NeddySeagoon> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492386 +Dec 15 14:26:28 <SwifT> Betelgeuse: k, i'll send it to trustees@g.o to make sure I have it in ;) +Dec 15 14:26:36 <NeddySeagoon> bug 492386 +Dec 15 14:26:37 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/492386 "Fund the setup of an opensource chocolate to use at conventions"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; dabbott:trustees +Dec 15 14:27:12 <NeddySeagoon> I vote No - its not a good use of funds +Dec 15 14:27:16 <SwifT> i don't think chocolate is a good PR investment for us +Dec 15 14:27:30 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Betelgeuse +Dec 15 14:27:31 <dabbott> I vote no, stickers, dvd's, t-shirts even but no to food +Dec 15 14:28:07 <dabbott> I would go for funding a dinner +Dec 15 14:28:07 <NeddySeagoon> Thats 3 Nos ... Betelgeuse quantumsummers|c ? +Dec 15 14:28:26 <Betelgeuse> Thought that doesn't seem to be directly the chocolate +Dec 15 14:29:32 <NeddySeagoon> I've lost a bug ... +Dec 15 14:29:47 <Betelgeuse> well directly as in directly buying chocolate +Dec 15 14:30:24 <Betelgeuse> I vote yes and let's move on +Dec 15 14:30:34 <Betelgeuse> (it could be an ok item for our web shop etc.) +Dec 15 14:30:43 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I closed the bug for dolsen it here https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493344 +Dec 15 14:30:47 <Betelgeuse> buying the produced chocolate for FOSDEM probably not +Dec 15 14:31:20 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Dec 15 14:32:00 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 492384 +Dec 15 14:32:01 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/492384 "Update the process to request funds from the foundation"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; dabbott:trustees +Dec 15 14:32:38 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need any changes ? the process seems to work well +Dec 15 14:33:27 <NeddySeagoon> The idea ot the process is to gather all the information +Dec 15 14:34:25 <SwifT> we do need to add in how to proceed, like David sais in the bug +Dec 15 14:34:42 <dabbott> I think I just need to add where to send the request and submit a bug for the request +Dec 15 14:34:43 <SwifT> if we work with a bugreport, there is traceability +Dec 15 14:35:26 <NeddySeagoon> ok, lets make it a bug +Dec 15 14:35:31 <SwifT> i don't know if there are reasons to make a bug private? +Dec 15 14:35:33 <SwifT> sec, fire alarm +Dec 15 14:35:55 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: I hope infra archives trustees like it does for many aliases +Dec 15 14:36:03 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, yes. Personal information +Dec 15 14:36:19 <Betelgeuse> still bugzilla is beneficial for future trustees +Dec 15 14:36:22 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, it does +Dec 15 14:36:22 <Betelgeuse> so they can search back +Dec 15 14:37:45 * NeddySeagoon posts SwifTs mobile number in a public bug :) +Dec 15 14:38:17 <dabbott> I was going to add to the document, send the request to trustees@gentoo and then we can make the bug +Dec 15 14:38:38 <NeddySeagoon> yes, that works +Dec 15 14:38:53 <dabbott> we don't have to require them to do the bug also +Dec 15 14:39:03 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 477374 Is this closed now? +Dec 15 14:39:09 <dabbott> they just need to attach the form to the email +Dec 15 14:39:32 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I like that workflow +Dec 15 14:40:03 <dabbott> ok will do +Dec 15 14:40:11 <SwifT> 'ts ok, dead battery +Dec 15 14:40:47 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 477374 Is this closed now? +Dec 15 14:40:52 <SwifT> dabbott: ok, agree (mail to trustees and we make bug) +Dec 15 14:41:05 <Betelgeuse> sounds good +Dec 15 14:41:23 <SwifT> I don't have access to bug 477374 +Dec 15 14:42:44 <dabbott> robbat2: was working on it afaik +Dec 15 14:43:11 <dabbott> SwifT: Its a bug for a sponsors logo change +Dec 15 14:43:15 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, you are on the cc: list now +Dec 15 14:43:32 <SwifT> thx +Dec 15 14:44:12 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: we should cc infra maybe robbat2 is not on the trustee alias anymore +Dec 15 14:44:16 <NeddySeagoon> ok, lets leave it. Thats all the current bugs, unless anyone else has some ? +Dec 15 14:44:32 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, true +Dec 15 14:44:55 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: I got the impression that he would be based on him answering a thread +Dec 15 14:45:05 <Betelgeuse> still we should probably think who should remain now +Dec 15 14:45:36 <NeddySeagoon> -infra or robbat2 ? +Dec 15 14:45:53 <dabbott> -infra +Dec 15 14:46:45 <SwifT> what donation did ostc give? It's not mentioned on the sponsors page +Dec 15 14:47:44 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, need quantumsummers|c for that probably +Dec 15 14:47:51 <SwifT> ah it was financial +Dec 15 14:48:10 <NeddySeagoon> New Business +Dec 15 14:48:30 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 493344 is closed +Dec 15 14:48:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/493344 "Standing Desk for Brian Dolbec (aka dol-sen)"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; RESO, WORK; dabbott:trustees +Dec 15 14:48:49 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +Dec 15 14:48:53 <dabbott> dol-sen: any comments? +Dec 15 14:49:28 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I can do the logs and minutes +Dec 15 14:49:35 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 19 Jan 2013 19:00 UTC +Dec 15 14:49:44 <dabbott> fine here +Dec 15 14:49:52 <Betelgeuse> ok +Dec 15 14:49:56 <SwifT> ok +Dec 15 14:50:14 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c ? +Dec 15 14:50:29 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Dec 15 14:50:46 <dabbott> none here +Dec 15 14:50:52 <NeddySeagoon> None from me +Dec 15 14:50:57 <SwifT> nope, none from me either +Dec 15 14:51:04 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ? +Dec 15 14:51:10 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: no +Dec 15 14:51:34 <NeddySeagoon> Who will post the log? Minutes? dabbott has volenteered +Dec 15 14:51:42 <Betelgeuse> dabbott wfm +Dec 15 14:51:46 <Betelgeuse> kudos! +Dec 15 14:51:54 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +Dec 15 14:52:02 <dabbott> yep I got it :) I do both at the same time +Dec 15 14:52:57 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-01-19.log b/2014/meeting-01-19.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..7941ac5 --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-01-19.log @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +Jan 19 14:01:38 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call. +Jan 19 14:01:41 <dabbott> here +Jan 19 14:01:42 <SwifT> I'm here +Jan 19 14:01:53 <NeddySeagoon> I'm logging .. I think +Jan 19 14:01:59 <dabbott> me too +Jan 19 14:02:12 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Betelgeuse ? +Jan 19 14:03:06 <NeddySeagoon> Lets start anyway. 3 is a quorum +Jan 19 14:03:42 <NeddySeagoon> Treasurer Report ... I guess that needs quantumsummers|c ? +Jan 19 14:04:03 <dabbott> yes it does +Jan 19 14:04:04 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: here +Jan 19 14:04:14 <quantumsummers|c> trying to get the boy down for a nap +Jan 19 14:04:24 <NeddySeagoon> Hi Betelgeuse quantumsummers|c +Jan 19 14:04:28 <quantumsummers|c> back shortly, hopefully. +Jan 19 14:04:34 <quantumsummers|c> hey NeddySeagoon :-) +Jan 19 14:04:41 <quantumsummers|c> this Dad thing is a pain in the arse +Jan 19 14:04:45 <quantumsummers|c> sometimes +Jan 19 14:05:00 * quantumsummers|c tries to get Linc to sleep. +Jan 19 14:05:13 <SwifT> =) +Jan 19 14:05:22 <NeddySeagoon> Foundation Activity Tracker ... nothing listed as pending - unless anyone knows differently +Jan 19 14:06:14 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, it gets worse as they get older ... have you had to ask him for your car keys yet ? +Jan 19 14:08:20 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, do you need to say a few words about Quarterly Financial Statements on the Wiki ? +Jan 19 14:08:45 <dabbott> its just a reminder, waiting for some numbers to continue +Jan 19 14:09:20 <NeddySeagoon> now we are back to quantumsummers +Jan 19 14:10:03 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you cold post the history while you wait for current numbers. +Jan 19 14:10:13 <NeddySeagoon> could* +Jan 19 14:10:40 <dabbott> sure +Jan 19 14:10:51 <dabbott> its all old +Jan 19 14:11:45 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, well, if we are going to migrate it all, you can start any time. The 2014 test page looks good +Jan 19 14:12:03 <dabbott> ok will do :) +Jan 19 14:12:48 <dabbott> here is the latest I have http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2012-treasurer-report.xml +Jan 19 14:13:13 <dabbott> how far back do you want to go http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml +Jan 19 14:14:42 <dabbott> missing from June 30 2012 untill present +Jan 19 14:14:55 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, back to 2004, when the foundation was founded. quantumsummers had the early data .. or most of it on the olb web page +Jan 19 14:14:59 <dabbott> afaik +Jan 19 14:15:34 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, is your wee one asleep ? is so, its your turn ... Gentoo Trademark License Agreement +Jan 19 14:15:42 <SwifT> ok +Jan 19 14:15:45 <SwifT> yes, she's silent +Jan 19 14:16:01 <SwifT> okay; i've updated the draft licence agreement according to the feedback received +Jan 19 14:16:08 <NeddySeagoon> Heh, thats not the same thing :) +Jan 19 14:16:22 <SwifT> it now also includes references to gentoo e.V. and i've sent it to alex +Jan 19 14:16:38 <SwifT> I think it would be nice if the agreement would match both gentoo foundation and gentoo e.V. +Jan 19 14:17:05 <SwifT> but I haven't pushed him to discuss it with the e.V. members yet - i'll do so (just forgot that) +Jan 19 14:17:08 <Betelgeuse> yes that's a good coal +Jan 19 14:17:10 <Betelgeuse> goal +Jan 19 14:17:24 <SwifT> we're not in a hurry, but I don't want the effort to go to sleep either +Jan 19 14:17:27 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: One thing I noticed when reading it from their perspetive that the lingo is geared towards the US/UK +Jan 19 14:17:30 <SwifT> unlike my offspring :p +Jan 19 14:17:38 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: Germany does not use for example common law +Jan 19 14:17:56 <NeddySeagoon> We did try to contact the e.V. when ferris was a trustee but never got a response at that time. We do need to work with them +Jan 19 14:18:05 <Betelgeuse> Ideally both a US and European lawyer would look it over +Jan 19 14:18:14 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: Also we should really look at cross licensing +Jan 19 14:18:29 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: We have assets in Europe so we should ideally have something in palce with e.V. +Jan 19 14:19:32 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, the e.V. predates the foundation but the registration of the mank by the e.V. mas carried out with drobbins encouragement +Jan 19 14:19:55 <SwifT> well, I'll try to get e.V. members feedback on it and see how far we can get. Having lawyers from both US and EU review it would be nice, but perhaps mostly after consensus ;) +Jan 19 14:20:24 <NeddySeagoon> Maybe I should say Gentoo Technologies Inc encouragement +Jan 19 14:20:55 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, yes, thats a worth while goal +Jan 19 14:21:43 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: I am not sure how far that would help if we got into a dispute +Jan 19 14:22:23 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, probably not at all. +Jan 19 14:22:55 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: exactly +Jan 19 14:23:08 <SwifT> other than that, no news on the Gentoo trademar license agreement +Jan 19 14:23:55 <NeddySeagoon> The foundation inherited from Gentoo Technologies Inc and the e.V. was encouraged by Gentoo Technologies Inc. We need to work together +Jan 19 14:24:52 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, your turn ... mafbe give Linc a wee dram to make him sleepy :) +Jan 19 14:25:25 <SwifT> let him watch the output of "emerge -e @world" +Jan 19 14:25:25 <SwifT> :p +Jan 19 14:25:33 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Jan 19 14:28:42 <SwifT> I think Linc is making quantumsummers|c sleepy :p +Jan 19 14:29:10 <NeddySeagoon> Lets move on to bugs while we wait for Linc :) +Jan 19 14:29:50 <NeddySeagoon> bug 494524 +Jan 19 14:29:52 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/494524 "games-emulation/m64py: Don't distribute files without the required license"; Gentoo Linux, Games; UNCO; franzschrober:games +Jan 19 14:30:43 <NeddySeagoon> Nothing to add at the moment +Jan 19 14:31:24 <NeddySeagoon> bug 492386 +Jan 19 14:31:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/492386 "Fund the setup of an opensource chocolate to use at conventions"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; dabbott:trustees +Jan 19 14:31:50 <NeddySeagoon> I recall that we voted not to fund chocolate +Jan 19 14:32:03 <SwifT> indeed +Jan 19 14:32:07 <dabbott> we can close that one +Jan 19 14:32:26 <NeddySeagoon> OK +Jan 19 14:34:08 <NeddySeagoon> done +Jan 19 14:34:18 <dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon +Jan 19 14:35:05 <Betelgeuse> there's the follow up to the thread about just allowing trademark usage +Jan 19 14:35:36 <SwifT> there's a bug on that? +Jan 19 14:35:45 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: nope +Jan 19 14:35:55 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: at least I have only seen in emails +Jan 19 14:36:20 <SwifT> i can't remember discussions on just allowing trademark usage :( +Jan 19 14:36:42 <SwifT> you can't just allow the usage, because then you lose the trademark afaik +Jan 19 14:37:11 <NeddySeagoon> did bug 473214 ever get fixed ? +Jan 19 14:37:12 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/473214 "Non-paypal contribution method"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; rich0:trustees +Jan 19 14:37:40 <NeddySeagoon> We have another pending request +Jan 19 14:38:06 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: for this specific case of course +Jan 19 14:38:28 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: Though I think I instructed to make a specific request it was left somewhat in the air +Jan 19 14:38:30 <SwifT> Betelgeuse: ah ok, sorry - misinterpretet the chat then +Jan 19 14:39:51 <NeddySeagoon> I think thats all the bugs for now .. do we need to discuss any others ? +Jan 19 14:40:24 <SwifT> i'm still hoping to write up a policy statement draft to look at (as per bug #351045) +Jan 19 14:40:25 <willikins> SwifT: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs +Jan 19 14:40:36 <SwifT> depending on available time though +Jan 19 14:41:01 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, yep, +Jan 19 14:41:45 <NeddySeagoon> Thats everthing on the agenda apart from quantumsummers stuff. +Jan 19 14:42:22 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 16 Feb 2014 19:00 UTC ... wfm +Jan 19 14:42:37 <dabbott> fine here +Jan 19 14:42:47 <SwifT> yup, think so as well +Jan 19 14:43:10 <Betelgeuse> I will be in Sochi +Jan 19 14:43:24 <Betelgeuse> Will be quite late +Jan 19 14:43:27 <Betelgeuse> in the night +Jan 19 14:43:28 <NeddySeagoon> well its far enough away so I can make it work +Jan 19 14:43:54 <Betelgeuse> I think I can make it work though +Jan 19 14:44:03 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, do you want to propose a new date/time ? +Jan 19 14:44:03 <Betelgeuse> but how are people for starting earlier? +Jan 19 14:44:21 <dabbott> fine here +Jan 19 14:44:36 <SwifT> difficult to say - might be okay here as well, but depends on family business that I don't know yet +Jan 19 14:45:20 <Betelgeuse> Actually there's FIN-CAN 17UTC +Jan 19 14:45:21 <dabbott> we can try 17:00 UTC if that helps anyone +Jan 19 14:45:32 <Betelgeuse> let's keep it as is then +Jan 19 14:45:34 <NeddySeagoon> I may be able to do earlier but would prefer a different date +Jan 19 14:45:57 <Betelgeuse> would ahve to be Saturday for earlier +Jan 19 14:46:21 <Betelgeuse> since we are at winter time it's not that bad actually +Jan 19 14:46:34 <Betelgeuse> if anything I might be a little late due to the game +Jan 19 14:46:55 <NeddySeagoon> if I avoid dinner at 17:00, that works +Jan 19 14:47:16 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: I looked at the schedule and 17UTC does not work +Jan 19 14:47:28 <Betelgeuse> though we don't have tickets for that came yet +Jan 19 14:47:46 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ok. Move the meeting a week then ? +Jan 19 14:47:55 <SwifT> wfm +Jan 19 14:48:03 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: wfm +Jan 19 14:48:07 <Betelgeuse> I will be back in 21st +Jan 19 14:48:31 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 23 Feb 2014 19:00 UTC ? +Jan 19 14:48:38 <Betelgeuse> wfm +Jan 19 14:48:41 <dabbott> fine here +Jan 19 14:48:45 <NeddySeagoon> wfm +Jan 19 14:49:06 <SwifT> ok +Jan 19 14:49:27 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, will you do the log please ? +Jan 19 14:49:48 <dabbott> yes and the minutes :) +Jan 19 14:49:53 * dabbott has changed the topic to: Current Bugs ::: http://xrl.us/bkmwgs | Next Meeting ::: Sunday 23 Feb 2014 19:00 UTC | Agenda ::: http://goo.gl/3rGMyf ::: Presidents Report 2013 ::: http://tinyurl.com/kphb6g9 +Jan 19 14:50:01 <NeddySeagoon> There are no motions or emails ... +Jan 19 14:50:14 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +Jan 19 14:51:35 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers please provide your updates to the alias +Jan 19 14:52:03 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting +Jan 19 14:52:19 <NeddySeagoon> Thank you Gentemen diff --git a/2014/meeting-02-23.log b/2014/meeting-02-23.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..a7faf8c --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-02-23.log @@ -0,0 +1,167 @@ +Feb 23 14:00:38 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to open the Feb 2014 Gentoo Foundation Trustees meeting +Feb 23 14:00:50 <NeddySeagoon> roll call +Feb 23 14:01:02 <dabbott> over here o/ +Feb 23 14:01:38 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, quantumsummers +Feb 23 14:02:07 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm I'm missing one +Feb 23 14:02:24 <dabbott> Finland won Betelgeuse may be awol +Feb 23 14:02:30 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Feb 23 14:02:31 <dabbott> swift is not here +Feb 23 14:02:48 <NeddySeagoon> thats the one +Feb 23 14:02:54 <dabbott> I checked #gentoo-doc also +Feb 23 14:03:02 <quantumsummers> hey there +Feb 23 14:03:09 <dabbott> hi quantumsummers +Feb 23 14:03:11 <quantumsummers> hello +Feb 23 14:03:13 <quantumsummers> :) +Feb 23 14:03:22 <NeddySeagoon> Hi quantumsummers we have a quorum lets go +Feb 23 14:03:57 <NeddySeagoon> My logger is here but after all the DDoS I don't know what its doing +Feb 23 14:04:01 <quantumsummers> hi NeddySeagoon +Feb 23 14:04:12 <dabbott> i am logging +Feb 23 14:04:27 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks dabbott +Feb 23 14:04:39 <dabbott> I went with calvino.freenode.net its been working +Feb 23 14:04:44 <NeddySeagoon> 1. Treasurer Report quantumsummers ? +Feb 23 14:04:51 <quantumsummers> yessir +Feb 23 14:04:56 <quantumsummers> sending now +Feb 23 14:05:40 <quantumsummers> sent +Feb 23 14:05:59 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I am about finished with the 1st and 2nd Q for this fiscal year as well +Feb 23 14:06:28 <NeddySeagoon> I would like to hold off the vote until we have 3 without yourself quantumsummers +Feb 23 14:06:33 <quantumsummers> I've finished paypal and ING, just need one more cap1 statement to finish that +Feb 23 14:06:52 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that's fine, no biggie, at least you can see where we are +Feb 23 14:07:06 <dabbott> been getting anything from the store? +Feb 23 14:07:25 <quantumsummers> dabbott: yes, twice a year we get a disbursement from cafepress +Feb 23 14:07:32 <quantumsummers> usually ~300 or so +Feb 23 14:07:37 <quantumsummers> buckaroos, that is +Feb 23 14:07:40 <quantumsummers> (USD) +Feb 23 14:08:15 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, looks nice and tidy. We will hold the vote in March +Feb 23 14:08:21 <quantumsummers> ok +Feb 23 14:08:27 <dabbott> quantumsummers: check ING credits doesnt line up with total +Feb 23 14:08:35 <quantumsummers> lemme lool +Feb 23 14:08:38 <quantumsummers> look! +Feb 23 14:08:38 <NeddySeagoon> No fees to the CPA ? +Feb 23 14:08:44 <quantumsummers> not from that year +Feb 23 14:08:52 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Feb 23 14:09:29 <NeddySeagoon> Is there anything to discuss on the report ? +Feb 23 14:09:45 <quantumsummers> dabbott: good eye, I didn;t copy correctly, fixed and resending +Feb 23 14:10:10 <dabbott> ok should be 7263.46 Credits +Feb 23 14:10:17 <NeddySeagoon> Foundation Activity Tracker. Nothing pending +Feb 23 14:10:54 <quantumsummers> dabbott: fixed and resent +Feb 23 14:11:00 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: looks fine till election +Feb 23 14:11:13 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Feb 23 14:11:17 <quantumsummers> I have an actual monthly workflow now to get all our financial info +Feb 23 14:11:21 <quantumsummers> each month, that is +Feb 23 14:11:29 <NeddySeagoon> Quarterly Financial Statements - dabbott +Feb 23 14:11:33 <quantumsummers> so, we can easily do quarterlies or monthlys +Feb 23 14:11:52 <quantumsummers> dabbott is waiting on my data for the Quarterly +Feb 23 14:12:05 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that needs to be captured somewhere +Feb 23 14:12:32 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers Financial | Legal Status ... +Feb 23 14:12:32 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: all here https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Gentoo_Foundation_Finances +Feb 23 14:12:37 <quantumsummers> I have it all here, I requested a git repo which we have, I was not able to get _robbat2|irssi to ack on the PDF blobs +Feb 23 14:12:52 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok +Feb 23 14:13:20 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I've bookmarked that page +Feb 23 14:13:51 <dabbott> I transfered the old stuff best I could +Feb 23 14:14:00 <quantumsummers> looks good to me +Feb 23 14:14:26 <dabbott> only missing 2013 and 2014 to be complete :) +Feb 23 14:14:26 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, as long as the old stuff is kept somewhere +Feb 23 14:14:44 <quantumsummers> what I have is all the data and statements +Feb 23 14:14:44 <dabbott> still on guide xml +Feb 23 14:15:00 <NeddySeagoon> thats fine +Feb 23 14:15:03 <quantumsummers> nicely paypal has a monthly statement generator now +Feb 23 14:15:09 <quantumsummers> so I can pdf that too +Feb 23 14:15:22 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers Financial | Legal Status ... +Feb 23 14:15:35 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: no changes there +Feb 23 14:15:46 <NeddySeagoon> thats fine +Feb 23 14:15:54 <NeddySeagoon> CPA ? +Feb 23 14:16:01 <quantumsummers> nothing to report there either +Feb 23 14:16:25 <quantumsummers> we will begin the tax prep stuff in July +Feb 23 14:16:26 <NeddySeagoon> and 501(c)(3) registration status ? +Feb 23 14:16:41 <quantumsummers> I have not received anything re: status +Feb 23 14:16:50 <quantumsummers> Need to call or something +Feb 23 14:17:01 <NeddySeagoon> is the IRS still blocking OSS applications? +Feb 23 14:17:19 <quantumsummers> I'm not too sure what is happening with the blocks +Feb 23 14:17:30 <quantumsummers> I read about some new rules in review awhile back +Feb 23 14:17:48 <quantumsummers> as in they were trying to figure out what to do going forward +Feb 23 14:18:13 <NeddySeagoon> Ah ok. Well you will be closer to it than me (about 3500 miles closer) :) +Feb 23 14:18:17 <dabbott> On the foundation mail list some are saying their applications are moving along +Feb 23 14:18:19 <quantumsummers> :) +Feb 23 14:18:55 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I've seen some rejections ... I guess thats movement +Feb 23 14:19:49 <NeddySeagoon> swift isn't here so we will pass on Gentoo Trademark License Agreement +Feb 23 14:19:59 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs ... +Feb 23 14:20:26 <quantumsummers> bug 500450 needs a vote +Feb 23 14:20:28 <willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/500450 "Use of Gentoo Foundation on official paperwork for a donation of equipment for ZFS development"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ryao:trustees +Feb 23 14:21:55 <NeddySeagoon> I'm good with this. The equipment will belong to the foundation in the normal way +Feb 23 14:22:15 <quantumsummers> That is three "Aye" votes +Feb 23 14:22:29 <dabbott> Motion: Gentoo Foundation will accept a donation of equipment for ZFS development +Feb 23 14:22:32 <NeddySeagoon> The foundation can move it around to make best use of it +Feb 23 14:22:33 <quantumsummers> seconded +Feb 23 14:22:42 <NeddySeagoon> vote .. +Feb 23 14:22:43 <dabbott> aye +Feb 23 14:22:44 <NeddySeagoon> Aye +Feb 23 14:22:45 <quantumsummers> aye +Feb 23 14:22:51 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Feb 23 14:22:59 <quantumsummers> I'll update the bug.\ +Feb 23 14:23:08 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Feb 23 14:23:10 <dabbott> done I will update the motion page +Feb 23 14:23:14 <quantumsummers> dabbott: do you want to handle the paperwork or would like me to? +Feb 23 14:23:47 <quantumsummers> dabbott: it may just be paperwork on their end +Feb 23 14:23:52 <dabbott> if you could and do theos at the same time I can see what you did for next time +Feb 23 14:24:33 <quantumsummers> sure +Feb 23 14:24:35 <quantumsummers> no prob +Feb 23 14:24:40 <dabbott> I think they just wanted to say it was donated to the foundation on thier paper work +Feb 23 14:24:46 <quantumsummers> I'm doing Theo's thing tonight anyway +Feb 23 14:24:47 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need to review any other bugs today ? +Feb 23 14:24:58 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: not that I can see. +Feb 23 14:24:58 <dabbott> no +Feb 23 14:25:10 <NeddySeagoon> Fine ... lets move on +Feb 23 14:25:11 <quantumsummers> The new dev from Iran bit is a settled issue IMO +Feb 23 14:25:32 <quantumsummers> looks like I should close some of these old bugs too +Feb 23 14:25:56 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yep ... until the embargo laws change +Feb 23 14:26:05 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 16 Mar 2014 19:00 UTC +Feb 23 14:26:14 <NeddySeagoon> WFM +Feb 23 14:26:15 <dabbott> fine here +Feb 23 14:26:20 <quantumsummers> looks ok +Feb 23 14:26:37 <quantumsummers> I think now that my kids are more autonomous I should be more available at meetings from now on, Yay! +Feb 23 14:26:38 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business I have some ... +Feb 23 14:26:52 <dabbott> do we need to do anything about Bareos +Feb 23 14:26:53 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: proceed sir. +Feb 23 14:27:02 <NeddySeagoon> more autonomous ... -> into everything ? +Feb 23 14:27:14 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: heh +Feb 23 14:27:20 <quantumsummers> dabbott: the bareos thing, yes +Feb 23 14:27:52 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: you first +Feb 23 14:27:58 <NeddySeagoon> Re the email on the backup software and robbat2s proposed response. +Feb 23 14:28:05 <quantumsummers> ah good +Feb 23 14:28:10 <quantumsummers> yeah, I agree with Robin on this +Feb 23 14:28:18 <dabbott> we have RESTRICT=mirror in the ebuild do we need point out to this guy that we aren't distributing the Bareos source at all +Feb 23 14:28:26 <quantumsummers> we are not mirroring and have restricted that in the ebuild, so that is that +Feb 23 14:28:32 <quantumsummers> echo ... :D +Feb 23 14:28:40 <dabbott> im slow :) +Feb 23 14:28:47 <quantumsummers> I echo'd you! +Feb 23 14:28:50 <quantumsummers> dabbott: want to do the email there? +Feb 23 14:28:50 <NeddySeagoon> The resposne looks good be it could do with some flesh on the bones +Feb 23 14:29:07 <quantumsummers> or NeddySeagoon, feel free to fatten that calf +Feb 23 14:29:09 <dabbott> ok I will send him an email +Feb 23 14:29:21 <quantumsummers> it should sound friendly :D +Feb 23 14:29:58 <dabbott> I will run it by trustees first +Feb 23 14:30:08 <NeddySeagoon> WE need to explain what these options do and that they are a part of our packaging system, so its just normal pratice +Feb 23 14:30:14 <dabbott> basicly just what Robin said +Feb 23 14:30:33 <quantumsummers> sounds reasonable +Feb 23 14:30:53 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, assume he is not a Gontoo user. He neds to understand the tech bits +Feb 23 14:31:10 <dabbott> got it little ebuild lesson +Feb 23 14:31:25 <quantumsummers> dabbott: just send a draft around when you have it :) +Feb 23 14:31:34 <NeddySeagoon> and he needs to understand the process is not special for this case +Feb 23 14:31:37 <dabbott> will do +Feb 23 14:32:23 <NeddySeagoon> yeah, thats a good idea. Circulate to t@g.o +Feb 23 14:32:43 <NeddySeagoon> That was my other business +Feb 23 14:33:51 <NeddySeagoon> any more other business ? +Feb 23 14:33:51 <quantumsummers> ok +Feb 23 14:33:58 <quantumsummers> not from me (surprised?) +Feb 23 14:34:03 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Feb 23 14:34:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +Feb 23 14:34:38 <dabbott> none here +Feb 23 14:35:10 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it looks like you have picked up the Responsibilities too +Feb 23 14:35:15 <dabbott> I will do the log, minutes and update the motions page +Feb 23 14:35:23 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Feb 23 14:35:32 <dabbott> np I do it all the same time +Feb 23 14:35:32 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +Feb 23 14:36:11 <jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: I don't have any proposal yet, but I'm going to submit a proposal about the releng build box +Feb 23 14:36:27 <NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, Sure +Feb 23 14:36:33 <quantumsummers> sounds good jmbsvicetto, looking forward to reading it +Feb 23 14:37:03 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-03-16.log b/2014/meeting-03-16.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..f38bb6d --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-03-16.log @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +Mar 16 14:59:58 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to bring the 16 March 2014 trustees meeting to order +Mar 16 15:00:07 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call ... +Mar 16 15:00:16 * NeddySeagoon is here +Mar 16 15:00:17 <SwifT> i'm here +Mar 16 15:00:18 <dabbott> here o/ +Mar 16 15:00:41 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, quantumsummers|c ? +Mar 16 15:02:52 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm maybe quantumsummers|c forgot to fix his clocks but Betelgeuse isn't on DST yet, I don't think +Mar 16 15:03:09 <quantumsummers|c> hello +Mar 16 15:03:20 <NeddySeagoon> lets give them another min or two +Mar 16 15:03:36 <NeddySeagoon> Hi quantumsummers|c +Mar 16 15:03:55 <NeddySeagoon> OK, we have 4 out of 5, lets go +Mar 16 15:04:40 <NeddySeagoon> Logging? dabbott you normally do this ? +Mar 16 15:04:51 <dabbott> yes got it +Mar 16 15:05:40 <NeddySeagoon> Old Business ... Treasurer Report Con we vole on this now ? +Mar 16 15:06:18 <quantumsummers|c> anyone find any errors? +Mar 16 15:06:29 <dabbott> r1 looks fine to me +Mar 16 15:06:30 <quantumsummers|c> I think we got them all fixed at the last meeting +Mar 16 15:06:34 <quantumsummers|c> cool +Mar 16 15:06:49 <quantumsummers|c> Motion to approve Treas. Report +Mar 16 15:06:52 <NeddySeagoon> Not fom we ... but I didn't spot the last one either :( +Mar 16 15:07:06 <NeddySeagoon> Seconded vote ... +Mar 16 15:07:07 * SwifT is in favor +Mar 16 15:07:09 <NeddySeagoon> Aye +Mar 16 15:07:20 <dabbott> yes +Mar 16 15:07:27 <quantumsummers|c> aye +Mar 16 15:07:33 <NeddySeagoon> Carried +Mar 16 15:08:06 <NeddySeagoon> Foundation Activity Tracker - nothing to do right now +Mar 16 15:08:08 <dabbott> also I would like to put a summary in this months GMN for the trustees +Mar 16 15:08:17 <NeddySeagoon> sure +Mar 16 15:08:19 <dabbott> of the finances +Mar 16 15:08:41 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: what is the date +Mar 16 15:08:45 <quantumsummers|c> to publish +Mar 16 15:08:49 <dabbott> 31 +Mar 16 15:08:58 <quantumsummers|c> ok +Mar 16 15:09:11 <dabbott> thanks quantumsummers|c :) +Mar 16 15:09:17 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: are you writing this? +Mar 16 15:09:23 <quantumsummers|c> or would you like me ot +Mar 16 15:09:25 <quantumsummers|c> to +Mar 16 15:09:37 <dabbott> I can but you may do a better job tbh +Mar 16 15:09:51 <NeddySeagoon> Publish to Dec 31 2013 as 1st quarter 2014 won't be complete +Mar 16 15:10:10 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: tell you what, bullet list your points and shoot it to me so I know what you have in mind +Mar 16 15:10:28 <dabbott> ok +Mar 16 15:10:49 <quantumsummers|c> we have Q1, Q2 +Mar 16 15:11:21 <dabbott> UI just wanted to say we were doing fine, where we get our money from, what we spend it on, general stuff +Mar 16 15:11:22 <quantumsummers|c> for our fiscal year, (which I hate, the mid-year is annoying) +Mar 16 15:11:29 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: gotcha +Mar 16 15:11:30 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Quarterly Financial Statements anything to contribute this month ? +Mar 16 15:11:46 <quantumsummers|c> I could talk about what we have done over the years as well, in broad strokes +Mar 16 15:11:51 <dabbott> we still need to complete 2013 2014 +Mar 16 15:11:58 <quantumsummers|c> complete? +Mar 16 15:12:07 <quantumsummers|c> oh, the FY +Mar 16 15:12:11 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it would be worth saying how to apply for funding too +Mar 16 15:12:51 <quantumsummers|c> SwifT: [unrelated] we should include the actual reg. data for our trademarks on the page +Mar 16 15:13:15 <quantumsummers|c> I am outta order here +Mar 16 15:13:47 <SwifT> sure +Mar 16 15:13:50 * NeddySeagoon taps quantumsummers|c on the knucles with the virtual gavel +Mar 16 15:14:30 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott ween can you add 2013 update ? +Mar 16 15:15:00 <NeddySeagoon> when? * +Mar 16 15:15:44 <dabbott> one second, quantumsummers|c something like this https://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2010-treasurer-report.xml +Mar 16 15:16:14 <quantumsummers|c> dabbott: ok, I see +Mar 16 15:16:27 <dabbott> for the 2013 report I will have to find it, quantumsummers|c may be able to do it for me and also the 2014 +Mar 16 15:17:02 <dabbott> I just did the old ones converted it from gentoo.org +Mar 16 15:17:23 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it would be good to have current up to date info in the GMN +Mar 16 15:17:34 <quantumsummers|c> yeah, I need to take a look at whats there, and learn how to edit our wiki +Mar 16 15:18:02 <quantumsummers|c> page wiki/Foundation:Gentoo_Foundation_Finances_2010 is missing info for Q4 +Mar 16 15:18:31 <dabbott> yea thats when Josh left +Mar 16 15:18:53 <quantumsummers|c> I'll take a look +Mar 16 15:18:53 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers anything on Financial | Legal Status Certified Public Accountant 501(c)(3) registration status ? +Mar 16 15:18:56 <dabbott> I think it was missing on the main site also +Mar 16 15:19:01 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: nothing to report +Mar 16 15:19:07 <quantumsummers|c> well one thing +Mar 16 15:19:30 <quantumsummers|c> I received a huge set of documents from our Trademark people, with our entire history with them +Mar 16 15:19:44 <quantumsummers|c> all the official TM docs, etc +Mar 16 15:20:02 <quantumsummers|c> I guess I'll stick that in my safe deposit box +Mar 16 15:20:34 <quantumsummers|c> thats it +Mar 16 15:20:56 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need to have them scanned and circulated? +Mar 16 15:21:25 <SwifT> i'd like to look at them if you don't mind +Mar 16 15:21:32 <quantumsummers|c> it came with a CD. +Mar 16 15:21:35 <NeddySeagoon> Should they be stored by Wayne Chew ... our man in NM? +Mar 16 15:21:49 <quantumsummers|c> there are several hundred pages here +Mar 16 15:22:20 <NeddySeagoon> Can you host the CD. I'm curious too? +Mar 16 15:22:33 <quantumsummers|c> I would say no to W. Chew, I can keep them at my bank +Mar 16 15:22:44 <quantumsummers|c> I'll image the cd, we can pass that around +Mar 16 15:22:53 <quantumsummers|c> probably best to encrypt it +Mar 16 15:23:26 <NeddySeagoon> paper records are a PITA. Is the trademark stuff secret ? +Mar 16 15:24:40 <quantumsummers|c> only the client/attorney correspondence +Mar 16 15:24:48 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, I'm thinking of the 'bus factor' and getting the docs out of your bank +Mar 16 15:25:55 <quantumsummers|c> I have all that taken care of in the case of my death, documentation, estate manger, etc. +Mar 16 15:26:02 <quantumsummers|c> but whatever you guys want to do +Mar 16 15:26:16 <quantumsummers|c> Chew may not be the best choice of keepers +Mar 16 15:26:32 <quantumsummers|c> hard to get ahold of +Mar 16 15:27:10 <NeddySeagoon> Wayne will want a storage fee. If everything is taken care of, as long as the papers are safe. I'w ok +Mar 16 15:28:21 <dabbott> quantumsummers|c: Just make some copies and send it aroude for backup / review sounds good to me +Mar 16 15:28:29 <quantumsummers|c> actually I would really prefer to somehow permanently engage Fenwick and West to manage this, and send their stuff back to them +Mar 16 15:28:59 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, ask them for a quote +Mar 16 15:28:59 <quantumsummers|c> I will send the disk image tonight +Mar 16 15:29:03 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: I will +Mar 16 15:29:28 <quantumsummers|c> couldnt be that bad, we only need to do things every 5 or 10 years +Mar 16 15:30:03 <NeddySeagoon> yep ... if we don't ask we will never know. +Mar 16 15:30:37 <NeddySeagoon> What do you mean "send the disk image" ? +Mar 16 15:30:43 <quantumsummers|c> I'll email on Monday +Mar 16 15:30:57 <quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: dunno, prob email a link to DL from my servers +Mar 16 15:31:04 <quantumsummers|c> depends on how large it is +Mar 16 15:31:10 <NeddySeagoon> That works for me +Mar 16 15:31:19 <quantumsummers|c> or just gpg->email +Mar 16 15:31:30 <quantumsummers|c> either way, it will be encrypted +Mar 16 15:31:35 <NeddySeagoon> heh ... ok +Mar 16 15:31:54 <quantumsummers|c> hate to do this, but I need to bug outta here to deal with kids. +Mar 16 15:32:01 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Gentoo Trademark License Agreement +Mar 16 15:32:03 <quantumsummers|c> hard to get more than 30 misn +Mar 16 15:32:07 <quantumsummers|c> *mins +Mar 16 15:32:08 <NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers|c +Mar 16 15:32:24 <quantumsummers|c> thanks +Mar 16 15:32:30 <SwifT> not much progress there - I will engage the discussion list of gentoo-ev for some feedback on the document +Mar 16 15:33:02 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, how good is your German? +Mar 16 15:33:15 <SwifT> as good as translate.google.com :p +Mar 16 15:33:34 <SwifT> I hope that, if I ask in English, they'll reply in English ;) +Mar 16 15:33:48 <NeddySeagoon> hehe ... thats why I've not joined the list :) +Mar 16 15:34:26 <NeddySeagoon> good luck +Mar 16 15:34:29 <SwifT> thx +Mar 16 15:35:10 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs ... +Mar 16 15:35:31 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 500450 +Mar 16 15:35:32 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/500450 "Use of Gentoo Foundation on official paperwork for a donation of equipment for ZFS development"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ryao:trustees +Mar 16 15:35:48 <NeddySeagoon> This seems to have stalled +Mar 16 15:36:24 <NeddySeagoon> ping ryao +Mar 16 15:39:07 <NeddySeagoon> Any other bugs we need to review today ? +Mar 16 15:39:44 <dabbott> I don't see any +Mar 16 15:40:07 <NeddySeagoon> New Business ... there in none +Mar 16 15:40:39 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Mar 16 15:40:45 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, ? +Mar 16 15:40:59 <dabbott> none here +Mar 16 15:41:14 <NeddySeagoon> none from me either +Mar 16 15:41:19 <SwifT> none here either +Mar 16 15:41:37 <SwifT> i'll be back active for gentoo from next week, so hopefully more the next meeting ;) +Mar 16 15:41:46 <NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities ... that looks like you dabbott +Mar 16 15:42:00 <dabbott> Yes I got it NP :) +Mar 16 15:42:08 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +Mar 16 15:43:23 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-05-18.log b/2014/meeting-05-18.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..83cb2e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-05-18.log @@ -0,0 +1,290 @@ +May 18 14:59:00 * quantumsummers starts the meeting with roll call +May 18 14:59:06 <dabbott> here +May 18 14:59:08 <SwifT> I'm here +May 18 14:59:17 <quantumsummers> Neddyseagoon sends his regrets. +May 18 14:59:27 <quantumsummers> is Betelgeuse around? +May 18 14:59:42 <quantumsummers> well we have a quorum, so let's start +May 18 14:59:49 <dabbott> he was an hour ago +May 18 14:59:50 <quantumsummers> who is logging, dabbott ? +May 18 14:59:55 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: yes +May 18 14:59:56 <dabbott> yep got it +May 18 15:00:01 <quantumsummers> dabbott: thanks +May 18 15:00:04 <quantumsummers> Hello Betelgeuse +May 18 15:00:19 <quantumsummers> ok, so Old Business +May 18 15:00:26 <quantumsummers> Me first it appears +May 18 15:00:32 <quantumsummers> Let's see +May 18 15:00:50 <quantumsummers> Well we are prepared for our upcoming end of the fiscal year +May 18 15:00:56 <quantumsummers> our finances are strong +May 18 15:00:59 <quantumsummers> we have no debts +May 18 15:01:11 <quantumsummers> That is all the news I have there +May 18 15:01:15 <quantumsummers> questions/ +May 18 15:01:16 <quantumsummers> ? +May 18 15:01:30 <quantumsummers> ok +May 18 15:01:34 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: And everything with the US gov ok? +May 18 15:01:36 <dabbott> did the cpa want any money +May 18 15:01:37 <quantumsummers> SwifT: The trademark bit +May 18 15:01:52 <SwifT> ok +May 18 15:01:55 <quantumsummers> dabbott: not yet, I am certain they will invoice seprately for this year +May 18 15:02:07 <SwifT> I sent out a mail to the gentoo e.v. mailinglist to suggest cooperation on the trademark license document +May 18 15:02:21 <SwifT> that was about one month ago, but I didn't receive any feedback yet +May 18 15:02:37 <SwifT> I know a3li is interested but he has some (free) time issues +May 18 15:03:03 <quantumsummers> ok. they are usually not super quick to have internal discussions +May 18 15:03:32 <SwifT> it's not extremely urgent per se, but it would be nice to have the document updated between now and the summer or so +May 18 15:04:05 <SwifT> that's it from me for this topic +May 18 15:04:21 <quantumsummers> related, I plan to talk to our previous trademark attorneys this coming week to discuss a retainer. It should be relatively inexpensive given that the work is minimal +May 18 15:04:34 <quantumsummers> Ok, any questions for SwifT ? +May 18 15:04:59 <dabbott> do you want me to keep the topic on the agenda for next month? +May 18 15:05:08 <SwifT> yes please +May 18 15:05:18 <quantumsummers> dabbott: thanks, good idea +May 18 15:05:51 <quantumsummers> Ok, looking at our bugs, I don't see anything new there +May 18 15:06:01 <dabbott> with the agenda now on the wiki you can edit the agenda when you want to, make it easy +May 18 15:06:13 <quantumsummers> re: bug 500450 +May 18 15:06:15 <willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/500450 "Use of Gentoo Foundation on official paperwork for a donation of equipment for ZFS development"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ryao:trustees +May 18 15:06:25 <quantumsummers> I have not heard anything back on that since February +May 18 15:06:41 <quantumsummers> I'll add a new comment +May 18 15:07:49 <quantumsummers> anyone have any bugs stuff to discuss? +May 18 15:07:55 <SwifT> nope +May 18 15:08:02 <dabbott> none here +May 18 15:08:13 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse ? +May 18 15:08:17 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: nope +May 18 15:08:21 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: robbat2 did +May 18 15:08:23 <Betelgeuse> for open floor +May 18 15:08:29 <quantumsummers> ok. moving right along +May 18 15:08:30 <robbat2> yeah, i have open floor +May 18 15:08:33 <robbat2> after your new business +May 18 15:08:39 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, we'll be there shortly +May 18 15:08:55 <quantumsummers> So, we have a single membership app from a developer Mikle Kolyada (zlogene) +May 18 15:09:09 <quantumsummers> all in favor of his membership application state "aye" +May 18 15:09:13 <dabbott> aye +May 18 15:09:16 <quantumsummers> those opposed "nay" +May 18 15:09:17 <SwifT> aye +May 18 15:09:27 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse ? +May 18 15:09:37 * quantumsummers says aye +May 18 15:09:41 <Betelgeuse> aye +May 18 15:09:44 <quantumsummers> the aye's have it +May 18 15:09:47 <dabbott> I added him to the master member list +May 18 15:09:55 <quantumsummers> Welcome zlogene to Foundation membership +May 18 15:09:57 <quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +May 18 15:10:03 <dabbott> I will send him an email +May 18 15:10:10 <quantumsummers> dabbott: you are on the ball, thanks +May 18 15:10:28 <quantumsummers> ok, date of next meeting 15 June 2014 19:00 UTC +May 18 15:10:31 <quantumsummers> works for me +May 18 15:10:38 <dabbott> fine here +May 18 15:10:49 <quantumsummers> same bat time and bat channel +May 18 15:10:55 <Betelgeuse> who handles the Gentoo calendar? +May 18 15:11:05 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: do we have a calendar proper? +May 18 15:11:18 <quantumsummers> in other words, I have no idea +May 18 15:11:18 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: there's an entry in the Gentoo Google calendar +May 18 15:11:22 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: it's for 18UTC +May 18 15:11:27 <Betelgeuse> let me see if I can modify it +May 18 15:11:29 <quantumsummers> that is wrong!! +May 18 15:11:32 <quantumsummers> :D +May 18 15:11:33 <quantumsummers> please do +May 18 15:11:41 <Betelgeuse> I do not have access :( +May 18 15:11:48 <quantumsummers> all meetings are always 1900 UTC since forever +May 18 15:11:48 <Betelgeuse> The entry is created by comprookie2000@gmail.com +May 18 15:11:53 <quantumsummers> that is dabbott +May 18 15:12:01 <dabbott> ping vapier I think its his calender +May 18 15:12:03 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: the timezone is probably wrong +May 18 15:12:08 <quantumsummers> yeah +May 18 15:12:16 <quantumsummers> ok, that should be an easy thing to fix up +May 18 15:12:23 <quantumsummers> so, lets see ... +May 18 15:12:27 <robbat2> you can create events with the UTC timezone, so it shifts automatically +May 18 15:12:28 <dabbott> thats me let me se if I can fixer +May 18 15:12:47 <quantumsummers> Thanks dabbott Any other business? +May 18 15:12:51 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: use Iceland Reykjavik +May 18 15:12:58 <quantumsummers> Any other business: +May 18 15:13:02 <quantumsummers> I have one item +May 18 15:13:04 <robbat2> Betelgeuse, there is a real UTC timezone actually +May 18 15:13:11 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: ok, good +May 18 15:13:19 <quantumsummers> yes, its called "UTC" :D +May 18 15:13:24 <robbat2> in gcal i mean +May 18 15:13:34 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: they didn't always have it +May 18 15:13:48 <quantumsummers> reason does prevail from time to time +May 18 15:13:53 <robbat2> anyway, quantumsummers, your AoB +May 18 15:13:54 <quantumsummers> glad they added it +May 18 15:13:56 <quantumsummers> yes +May 18 15:14:22 <quantumsummers> so, I am interested in doing a teespring campaign for Gentoo, specifically to put a dent in some soon-to-be-proposed infra spending +May 18 15:14:34 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I am hoping I can enlist PR to assist +May 18 15:14:35 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: what'a teespring? +May 18 15:14:40 <quantumsummers> I see two paths +May 18 15:14:49 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: lmgtfy +May 18 15:14:57 <quantumsummers> its a t-shirt thing +May 18 15:15:12 <quantumsummers> pretty good deal, I am happy with the quality of the shirts I have gotten from them +May 18 15:15:33 <quantumsummers> basically, you set a minimim amount to sell, then sell as many as possible +May 18 15:15:40 <quantumsummers> I think the abs min is 50 +May 18 15:15:51 <quantumsummers> Django just did one and sold like 500 shirts +May 18 15:16:03 <quantumsummers> I believe they netted $10 a shirt +May 18 15:16:12 <quantumsummers> teespring handles all shipping and handling +May 18 15:16:25 <dabbott> sounds good, we need a design +May 18 15:16:28 <quantumsummers> it's pretty easy, all via a web thing +May 18 15:16:35 <quantumsummers> dabbott: that is what I want to talk with PR about +May 18 15:16:42 <quantumsummers> also re: two paths +May 18 15:17:01 <quantumsummers> we could use an existing logo deal or something like the if it moved compile it graphic +May 18 15:17:04 <quantumsummers> OR +May 18 15:17:08 <quantumsummers> we could have a design contest +May 18 15:17:27 <quantumsummers> Since I do not know the infra timeline at the moment, I cannot say if we have time to do the contest +May 18 15:17:36 <dabbott> The last contest was a flop +May 18 15:17:37 <robbat2> that's actually my AoB ;-) +May 18 15:17:39 <quantumsummers> I can easily get someone to assist with a design +May 18 15:17:46 <dabbott> noone was interested +May 18 15:17:46 <quantumsummers> robbat2: I thought that might be the case +May 18 15:17:52 <Betelgeuse> It doesn't hurt to run one. +May 18 15:18:05 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: if it wastes time, it would hurt +May 18 15:18:18 <quantumsummers> that said, it doesn't have to be anything too fancy +May 18 15:18:21 <SwifT> or work with a "This is our current suggested design - if you think you can do better, show us!" +May 18 15:18:26 <quantumsummers> I have a couple ideas +May 18 15:18:29 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: Since time is limited you can have your contact work at th same time +May 18 15:18:31 <quantumsummers> SwifT: I like that +May 18 15:18:39 <quantumsummers> ok, seems reasonable +May 18 15:18:49 <quantumsummers> I'll start the ball rolling tomorrow on that +May 18 15:18:59 <robbat2> i don't think there will be time to run it entirely beforehand, but no reason not to run the projects concurrently +May 18 15:19:05 <quantumsummers> perhaps we could leverage our newish social media power to get more involved +May 18 15:19:13 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, sounds good. +May 18 15:19:17 <SwifT> but tbh, if infra needs financial support for the services (which I'm all in favor for - I want planet.g.o back and guaranteed backups of everything ;) i'm sure we can also find direct donations for that as well (simultaneously with whatever we're launching) +May 18 15:19:18 <quantumsummers> that is it for my AoB +May 18 15:19:22 <quantumsummers> any other AoB? +May 18 15:19:50 <quantumsummers> what happened to planet? +May 18 15:20:08 <SwifT> server down according to infra-status.g.o +May 18 15:20:19 <quantumsummers> SwifT: looks up to me +May 18 15:20:34 <quantumsummers> anyway, lets get robbat2 in here as he has a hungry infant likely nearby +May 18 15:20:37 <SwifT> ah cool... it's infra-status.g.o that's down now ;) +May 18 15:20:46 <SwifT> yes +May 18 15:20:49 <quantumsummers> robbat2: please, you have hte floor +May 18 15:20:55 <robbat2> the sponsor of that box moved DC and lost our box for a while, due to bad tracking of ownership; then lost the box again due to paperwork falling through the cracks +May 18 15:21:00 <robbat2> hi +May 18 15:21:06 <robbat2> fed baby is sleeping on my chest now +May 18 15:21:12 <quantumsummers> that is the best +May 18 15:21:17 <dabbott> we need pictures :) +May 18 15:21:20 <quantumsummers> congrats btw +May 18 15:21:21 <SwifT> =) +May 18 15:21:36 <quantumsummers> huge deal, that having a baby thing +May 18 15:21:44 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: congrats! +May 18 15:21:46 * SwifT is imagining robbat2 with his baby on his chest, with a hot laptop on that baby +May 18 15:21:48 <quantumsummers> my littlest just turned 1 the other day +May 18 15:21:54 <quantumsummers> heh +May 18 15:22:18 <SwifT> but enough diaper-talk, let's hear it ;) +May 18 15:22:20 <dabbott> He going to get pretty good typing with one hand +May 18 15:22:33 <quantumsummers> as if he isn't already +May 18 15:22:39 * antarus snickers softly +May 18 15:22:51 <quantumsummers> I bet he types faster with his eye lashes than I do with all my fingas +May 18 15:23:04 <dabbott> antarus: your next :D +May 18 15:23:08 <quantumsummers> back to the matter at hand +May 18 15:23:14 <quantumsummers> robbat2: please continue +May 18 15:23:33 <robbat2> one of our large older sponsors, TMG/Hyves +May 18 15:23:38 <robbat2> is closing up shop +May 18 15:23:53 <robbat2> we have a hard deadline of the end of August to move services away +May 18 15:24:25 <quantumsummers> is that doable? +May 18 15:24:36 <robbat2> they presently host 6 physical servers, that host Bugzilla & Wiki, as well as the databases for those (all fully redundant) +May 18 15:25:05 <quantumsummers> ouch, that is a lot to loose +May 18 15:25:33 <robbat2> i think after OSL, they are the 2nd or 3rd largest sponsor we have +May 18 15:25:59 <robbat2> i do want to put out a thank you announcement about them +May 18 15:26:17 <quantumsummers> dabbott: PR should have some involvement, no? +May 18 15:26:19 <robbat2> and therein, start a campaign to find more sponsors in the EU +May 18 15:26:26 <quantumsummers> sounds good +May 18 15:26:28 <quantumsummers> time line? +May 18 15:26:34 <SwifT> i'm fully in favor of that +May 18 15:26:45 <robbat2> i want sponsors twofold: +May 18 15:27:33 <robbat2> 1. something like OSL, but in the EU; full service colo. we own the hardware, they provide bw/power/rack/hands +May 18 15:27:52 <robbat2> 2. either one new large sponsor, or 3+ smaller sponsors +May 18 15:28:38 <robbat2> the reason behind #1 is more complex than just bugs/wiki +May 18 15:28:46 <quantumsummers> robbat2: does #1 exist? +May 18 15:28:52 <robbat2> one of our oldest boxes presently is dev.g.o +May 18 15:28:57 <robbat2> which is pretty critical to all devs +May 18 15:29:13 <robbat2> for a long time, EU devs have also complained that it's high latency for them to reach it +May 18 15:29:45 <robbat2> so I want to split out email from dev.g.o, and have dev-us.g.o and dev-eu.g.o as smaller systems for devs in each region +May 18 15:29:54 <quantumsummers> sounds just fine +May 18 15:30:06 <robbat2> i don't know if #1 exists yet +May 18 15:30:22 <quantumsummers> I assume they would be more or less mirrors of eachother, i.e. same stuff on each in case one fails or someone is travelling +May 18 15:30:24 <robbat2> nothing in a quick look, but maybe the PR boost will help find it +May 18 15:30:36 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: With one operator my ipv6 traffice used to bounce over the atlantic form Finland to France +May 18 15:30:37 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok sounds good +May 18 15:30:48 <robbat2> devs will have accounts on both, and we can offer unison maybe, but normally not mirrored +May 18 15:30:56 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok +May 18 15:31:33 <quantumsummers> I guess the trick will be with distfiles, etc hosted in devspaces +May 18 15:31:46 <robbat2> therein I want to get projects hosting off the ground +May 18 15:32:11 <robbat2> but we'll deal with that when we come to it +May 18 15:32:17 <quantumsummers> ok +May 18 15:32:26 <robbat2> so timelines, then budget +May 18 15:32:57 <robbat2> i want to get the announcement before the end of this week +May 18 15:33:10 * antarus has a draft for that floating around +May 18 15:33:24 <robbat2> with hope of having at least one new sponsor by end of may, and another by late june +May 18 15:33:40 <dabbott> I will put it on this months GMN +May 18 15:33:51 <antarus> dabbott: when is the GMN publish deadline? +May 18 15:34:04 <dabbott> 25th about +May 18 15:34:12 <antarus> ok +May 18 15:34:17 <robbat2> and migrating bugs+wiki by end of july, to leave august for slack room +May 18 15:34:21 <dabbott> before the first for sure +May 18 15:34:47 <robbat2> budget: +May 18 15:35:53 <robbat2> if we get an EU OSL, i think that I can get a good server (or maybe two), plus PDU, switches, cabling, shipping, for $10k USD +May 18 15:36:38 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, I can get behind that +May 18 15:36:49 <antarus> we could also conceivably...pay for hosting? +May 18 15:37:28 <quantumsummers> antarus: for a colo? I currently pay ~$800 a month for a half rack in a colo and the space isn't the big part of that, it's power and be +May 18 15:37:29 <robbat2> we'd be looking for probably a quarter rack (or an 1/8th to start, and space to grow), with 5A+ of power; bandwidth: 5-10mbit commit, burstable to 25-50mbit +May 18 15:37:31 <quantumsummers> bw +May 18 15:38:11 <Betelgeuse> doesn't hetzner already sponsor something? +May 18 15:38:16 <antarus> quantumsummers: we don't need a half rack though +May 18 15:38:19 <Betelgeuse> We could at least ask for discounted rates +May 18 15:38:30 <antarus> Betelgeuse: leaseweb is also an existing sponsor +May 18 15:38:39 <antarus> and their stuff is seemingly affordable +May 18 15:38:45 <robbat2> the remote hands are actually a larger concern than the physical space/power/bw +May 18 15:38:51 <robbat2> OSL's admins do a lot for us +May 18 15:38:51 <antarus> depending on how much gear we have to stuff in it +May 18 15:38:51 <quantumsummers> robbat2: do you have a hard deadline to identify a facility? +May 18 15:39:16 <antarus> yeah, none of us can drive to amsterdam, heh. +May 18 15:39:18 <Betelgeuse> antarus: I have no idea of price level but here's for hetzner http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/racks +May 18 15:39:53 <dabbott> we may have to pay on of our devs to visit the servers @ times +May 18 15:40:02 <Betelgeuse> Too bad asking around in Finland is somewhat useless +May 18 15:40:23 <quantumsummers> robbat2: are you targetting any specific country? +May 18 15:40:28 <Betelgeuse> unless we want it out of the way routing wise +May 18 15:40:31 <robbat2> hetzner's racks are in Nuremberg or Falkenstein +May 18 15:40:47 <robbat2> not amsterdam +May 18 15:40:53 <robbat2> leaseweb is Amsterdam +May 18 15:41:00 <quantumsummers> GB, FRA? +May 18 15:41:18 <robbat2> mainland europe preferred, near at least two devs +May 18 15:41:24 <robbat2> that we can invoke for help if needed +May 18 15:41:35 <dabbott> yep +May 18 15:41:48 <quantumsummers> so Germany would be the best, with the highest concentration of devs +May 18 15:42:28 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: well according to the map many Germans are on the western border +May 18 15:42:41 <robbat2> Dusseldorf or Zurich have the best concentrations +May 18 15:42:59 <quantumsummers> Zurich has high quality data lines apparently +May 18 15:43:10 <robbat2> prague is also promising +May 18 15:43:11 * antarus blinks +May 18 15:43:20 <antarus> 28.56 a kw/h +May 18 15:43:22 <antarus> damn germans +May 18 15:43:27 <robbat2> but it will really depend wherever we're offered +May 18 15:43:29 <quantumsummers> yeah, noticed that too +May 18 15:44:09 <Betelgeuse> antarus: so expensive or cheap in your opinion? Can't say because it's expensive in comparison to Finland. +May 18 15:45:53 <quantumsummers> I pay $ 0.15 / kWh +May 18 15:46:02 <quantumsummers> which is fairly cheap +May 18 15:46:11 <quantumsummers> with 100% ToS +May 18 15:46:58 <robbat2> assuming 600W, the heztner rate is EUR125/mo +May 18 15:47:10 <robbat2> on top of the base rack cost +May 18 15:48:22 <quantumsummers> we should be able to afford that, and perhaps Hetzner would offer some additional support +May 18 15:48:39 <robbat2> after the dust on this is settled; later this year we should replace dev.g.o, and possibly the old atoms +May 18 15:48:50 <robbat2> so this will be a big capex year in infra +May 18 15:48:56 <robbat2> that's all for me +May 18 15:48:59 <robbat2> baby is squirming again +May 18 15:49:00 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks! +May 18 15:49:05 <Betelgeuse> thanks +May 18 15:49:14 <quantumsummers> ok, so that is a good bit to think about. +May 18 15:49:22 <robbat2> antarus, can you shoot that draft to infra@ and i'll pass on to trustees@+pr@ +May 18 15:49:34 <antarus> yeah I need to finish it first ;p +May 18 15:49:41 <antarus> will get that done by CoB today +May 18 15:49:43 <quantumsummers> antarus: stop slacking :P +May 18 15:49:47 <antarus> I need to consume the vapors +May 18 15:49:50 <quantumsummers> ok, that is just great +May 18 15:49:57 <robbat2> CoB on a non-business day ;-) +May 18 15:50:07 <antarus> robbat2: intentionally left vague +May 18 15:50:09 <antarus> ;p +May 18 15:50:14 <quantumsummers> Once we see the proposal and evaluate it, we shall hold a vote via email +May 18 15:50:28 <quantumsummers> let's try to turn this around quickly +May 18 15:50:30 <dabbott> sounds good +May 18 15:50:39 <quantumsummers> ok, anyone else for Open Floor? +May 18 15:50:49 <quantumsummers> going once +May 18 15:51:01 <quantumsummers> going twice +May 18 15:51:16 <quantumsummers> three times a lady +May 18 15:51:30 <quantumsummers> ok. The floor is closed. +May 18 15:51:42 <quantumsummers> Thanks everyone for attending this month's meeting of the board +May 18 15:51:54 * quantumsummers closes the meeting with the gavel bang +May 18 15:51:58 <quantumsummers> **bang** diff --git a/2014/meeting-06-15.log b/2014/meeting-06-15.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..0ed5ef4 --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-06-15.log @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +Jun 15 14:59:41 <NeddySeagoon> Roll Call +Jun 15 14:59:47 <dabbott> here +Jun 15 14:59:49 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: lol +Jun 15 14:59:50 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to quantumsummers2 +Jun 15 14:59:51 <SwifT> here +Jun 15 14:59:51 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: here +Jun 15 14:59:51 * NeddySeagoon is here +Jun 15 15:00:05 <NeddySeagoon> Thats 4 +Jun 15 15:00:08 <quantumsummers2> hello folks +Jun 15 15:00:20 <dabbott> hi quantumsummers +Jun 15 15:00:23 <quantumsummers2> I am not authd +Jun 15 15:00:33 <NeddySeagoon> 5 out of 5 on Fathers day too +Jun 15 15:00:56 <quantumsummers2> I'm at a FAM functio. on my phone +Jun 15 15:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> Logging ? I have no idea if my logger is still running +Jun 15 15:01:26 <dabbott> I got it +Jun 15 15:01:34 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks +Jun 15 15:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> Item 1. Infra Funding (bugzilla, wiki, dev.g.o) +Jun 15 15:02:36 <dabbott> still getting info together quantumsummers has been working on it with infra +Jun 15 15:02:52 <NeddySeagoon> OK moving on ... +Jun 15 15:02:58 <quantumsummers2> yes +Jun 15 15:03:04 <NeddySeagoon> Initiate Trustee Election +Jun 15 15:03:12 <dabbott> done +Jun 15 15:03:25 <Betelgeuse> for infra are we on top of things for the dl of the old servers going away? +Jun 15 15:03:28 <NeddySeagoon> Looks OK but we need the results before 16 Aug +Jun 15 15:04:10 <quantumsummers2> Betelgeuse yes on track +Jun 15 15:04:12 <dabbott> The voting period is four weeks commencing, 14 Jul +Jun 15 15:04:17 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, from the email, infra are still looking for new sponsors +Jun 15 15:04:53 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that should work. If we need a voting period +Jun 15 15:04:55 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers2: great, thanks +Jun 15 15:05:26 <NeddySeagoon> 3. dabbotts member list +Jun 15 15:05:37 <dabbott> https://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/20140614_member_list.xml +Jun 15 15:05:41 <NeddySeagoon> I'll fix the +V list here +Jun 15 15:05:55 <dabbott> I got with jmbsvicetto and quantumsummers that should be good +Jun 15 15:06:11 <quantumsummers2> yep on track there +Jun 15 15:06:39 <NeddySeagoon> WE need to fix -forums-announce, so we can send the legal notices +Jun 15 15:06:54 <NeddySeagoon> foundations* +Jun 15 15:06:58 <robbat2> what's broken with it? +Jun 15 15:07:05 <robbat2> or do you just mean add new emails +Jun 15 15:07:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, it needs to be updated for the revised members list +Jun 15 15:07:40 <robbat2> that's not broken +Jun 15 15:07:46 <robbat2> thats just out of date ;-) +Jun 15 15:07:49 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, add/remove... +Jun 15 15:07:55 <NeddySeagoon> hehe +Jun 15 15:08:01 <robbat2> is that member list page the final one? +Jun 15 15:08:10 <dabbott> yes +Jun 15 15:08:12 <robbat2> if so, i'll update the subs now +Jun 15 15:08:20 <NeddySeagoon> thanks robbat2 +Jun 15 15:08:36 <dabbott> only 3 non developer emails +Jun 15 15:08:43 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, your stuff +Jun 15 15:09:21 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you want a bye as you are on a phone? +Jun 15 15:09:22 <quantumsummers2> nothing save prepping for taxes coming up end of june +Jun 15 15:10:00 <quantumsummers2> probably not able to go into detail... not that there is much. +Jun 15 15:10:06 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Gentoo Trademark License Agreement you have the floor +Jun 15 15:10:42 <SwifT> I didn't receive any feedback from the gentoo e.v. side to try and have a common license, so I'll update the draft document to focus only on gentoo foundation side +Jun 15 15:10:57 <SwifT> i'll do that later and send the revised draft to gentoo-nfp +Jun 15 15:11:22 <SwifT> that's it +Jun 15 15:11:36 <NeddySeagoon> thank you. +Jun 15 15:11:46 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs +Jun 15 15:12:05 <dabbott> I don't see anything new +Jun 15 15:12:49 <NeddySeagoon> Is there any bug we need to discuss now ? +Jun 15 15:13:02 <SwifT> don't think so +Jun 15 15:13:03 <dabbott> no +Jun 15 15:13:39 <NeddySeagoon> New Business ... there seems to be none. +Jun 15 15:14:01 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup ... +Jun 15 15:14:11 <SwifT> do we need to do anything on a3li's request to exit membership? or is that already done? +Jun 15 15:14:24 <dabbott> thats done +Jun 15 15:14:30 <SwifT> ok, ignore me then +Jun 15 15:14:30 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 20 July 2014 19:00 UTC +Jun 15 15:14:37 <dabbott> fine here +Jun 15 15:14:38 <NeddySeagoon> Works for me +Jun 15 15:14:42 <SwifT> ok here +Jun 15 15:14:58 <SwifT> oh wait, i'm on holiday then +Jun 15 15:15:17 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Betelgeuse ? +Jun 15 15:15:18 <SwifT> doesn't mean I can't join in (there's Internet where I go, it's a primary requirement here ;) but no guarantees yet +Jun 15 15:16:03 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: let me check +Jun 15 15:16:14 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: wfm +Jun 15 15:16:15 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, heh - when we go away, its a primary requirement that there is no internet :) +Jun 15 15:16:18 <quantumsummers2> should be fine +Jun 15 15:16:42 <NeddySeagoon> OK, we have 3 and a maybe for 20 Jul. +Jun 15 15:16:56 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ? +Jun 15 15:17:19 <NeddySeagoon> I intend to stand for a 4th term +Jun 15 15:18:07 <dabbott> great :) +Jun 15 15:18:23 <SwifT> good - the gravel banging would not sound proper without you :p +Jun 15 15:18:31 <NeddySeagoon> AoB once more ... +Jun 15 15:18:38 <Betelgeuse> no +Jun 15 15:18:43 <SwifT> no ob here +Jun 15 15:18:51 <dabbott> none here +Jun 15 15:18:54 <NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities ... Its just the log +Jun 15 15:19:02 <dabbott> I got it +Jun 15 15:19:13 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks. dabbott +Jun 15 15:19:18 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor +Jun 15 15:19:19 <dabbott> no problem +Jun 15 15:20:45 * NeddySeagoon pronouces the meeting closed diff --git a/2014/meeting-07-20.log b/2014/meeting-07-20.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..f43dadf --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-07-20.log @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +Jul 20 15:01:13 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the July 20 meeting of the Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees +Jul 20 15:01:18 <Betelgeuse> hello +Jul 20 15:01:20 <quantumsummers> we'll just stick with a curling team +Jul 20 15:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> roll call +Jul 20 15:01:25 <Betelgeuse> here +Jul 20 15:01:27 <dabbott> here +Jul 20 15:01:29 <SwifT> here +Jul 20 15:01:30 <quantumsummers> here +Jul 20 15:01:48 <NeddySeagoon> Thats everyone, so lets start. +Jul 20 15:02:37 <NeddySeagoon> 1. Activity Tracker ... Officers reports are due for tho AGM next month. I think thats all +Jul 20 15:03:12 <NeddySeagoon> 2. Infra Funding (Infrastructure Liaison Officer) +Jul 20 15:03:53 <quantumsummers> I am rather conflicted about this +Jul 20 15:04:11 <NeddySeagoon> Since we don't do employees, its my opinion that we need to formalise the Infrastructure Liaison Officer Office in our bylaws +Jul 20 15:04:33 <quantumsummers> I think I understand the reasoning behind it, however there are a couple issues: +Jul 20 15:04:37 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, please share +Jul 20 15:05:13 <Betelgeuse> Don't the bylaws get registered by the state etc.? +Jul 20 15:05:20 <Betelgeuse> So there are fees involved. +Jul 20 15:05:24 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, No +Jul 20 15:05:35 <quantumsummers> no fees +Jul 20 15:05:58 <quantumsummers> it seems like we would have to potentially modify the bylaws for any officer position we want in the future +Jul 20 15:06:29 <quantumsummers> I know the bylaws allow us to have vacant officer positions, and/or more than one position held by one person +Jul 20 15:06:55 <quantumsummers> I guess this seems more like a duty (proper), than a position unto itself +Jul 20 15:07:08 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we don't have to but the Office terms op reference would anly be captured in the IRC log and be difficult to fing otherwise +Jul 20 15:07:10 <quantumsummers> i.e. we could say that this is the duty of the assistant treasurer +Jul 20 15:07:53 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we could remedy that with a webpage outlining who does what. That, to me, would be esaier than changing the bylaws +Jul 20 15:08:20 <NeddySeagoon> The assistant treasurer has much more scope than -infra liason +Jul 20 15:08:25 <Betelgeuse> The bylaws already allow to appoint officers as we wish +Jul 20 15:09:08 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that works - it can be added to the Foundation webspace +Jul 20 15:09:09 <Betelgeuse> "and such other officers and assistant officers and agents as may be deemed necessary may be elected or appointed by the Board of Trustees from time to time." +Jul 20 15:09:30 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we should likely have done that awhile back :) +Jul 20 15:09:51 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: right, so we can appoint roles without defining them in the bylaws +Jul 20 15:10:04 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, yes. I am concerned with the score of the office betng lost or not easy to find +Jul 20 15:10:04 <dabbott> sounds good to me +Jul 20 15:10:27 <quantumsummers> dabbott, SwifT have we moved most/all foundation stuff to the wiki now? +Jul 20 15:10:39 <NeddySeagoon> WFM. We need the form of words then +Jul 20 15:10:47 <SwifT> dabbott did all of that; most of it is moved to the wiki afaik +Jul 20 15:10:50 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: Say we appointed someone to run one conference for the foundation. Would we change the bylaws to make that an officer job? Basically where do we draw the line. +Jul 20 15:11:38 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, We might but as you have pointed out, we are not required to +Jul 20 15:12:04 <dabbott> we have a foundation namespace for the wiki, anything new or edited often I have moved, the bylaws are in g.o +Jul 20 15:12:23 <quantumsummers> I think we just need to document the officers and their roles on the wiki. We should not worry about changing the bylaws for this, as the power is already granted to do what we need without altering the bylaws +Jul 20 15:12:30 <NeddySeagoon> The web page with the terms of reference for the office works for me +Jul 20 15:12:45 <quantumsummers> cool, it should be flexible for us +Jul 20 15:12:52 <dabbott> the foundation namespace pages are restricted afaik +Jul 20 15:13:07 <NeddySeagoon> I hope so. +Jul 20 15:13:14 <quantumsummers> we need, now, to organize who does what around here in terms of the officer roles +Jul 20 15:13:29 <NeddySeagoon> Is the form of words I proposed OK ? +Jul 20 15:14:03 <quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, that wording works for me +Jul 20 15:14:05 <NeddySeagoon> The infra liaison officer shall be responsible for the annual budget allocated to Gentoo infrastructure maintenance, as determined from time to time by the board. +Jul 20 15:14:05 <NeddySeagoon> The infra liaison officer shall have the authority incur costs and to pay invoices properly incurred for Gentoo infrastructure maintenance without further reference to the board, up to the annual budget value. Receipts for all costs incurred shall be submitted to the Treasurer in a timely manner. +Jul 20 15:14:05 <NeddySeagoon> The payment methods made available to the infrastructure liaison officer shall be determined by the board from time to time. +Jul 20 15:14:05 <NeddySeagoon> The infrastructure lead will generally hold this office but the board may appoint an infrastructure team member other than the lead. +Jul 20 15:14:38 <SwifT> yes, that wording is ok to me too +Jul 20 15:14:42 <dabbott> we need to do all positions, lets get started on email and then I can move it to the wiki when it is finished +Jul 20 15:15:00 <quantumsummers> I might change it to say "responsible for managing the annual budget allocated for Gentoo infrastructure ..." +Jul 20 15:15:10 <quantumsummers> dabbott: sure thing +Jul 20 15:15:22 <NeddySeagoon> Motion to adopt the above for a wiki page definging Infrastructure Liaison Officer +Jul 20 15:15:28 <quantumsummers> seconded +Jul 20 15:15:41 <NeddySeagoon> Vote please +Jul 20 15:15:44 <NeddySeagoon> Aye +Jul 20 15:15:47 <quantumsummers> aye +Jul 20 15:15:47 <SwifT> aye +Jul 20 15:15:50 <dabbott> aye +Jul 20 15:16:00 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ? +Jul 20 15:16:19 <Betelgeuse> yes +Jul 20 15:16:20 <quantumsummers> hmm, looks like I have to disappear in a sec, nap time is __over__ +Jul 20 15:16:22 <Betelgeuse> ayey +Jul 20 15:16:32 <NeddySeagoon> Carried. +Jul 20 15:16:51 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, can you mane it happen please. +Jul 20 15:16:57 <dabbott> sure +Jul 20 15:17:03 <NeddySeagoon> thanks +Jul 20 15:17:09 <quantumsummers> I'll email ... sorry :( +Jul 20 15:17:49 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, no problem ... and its going to get 50% worse too +Jul 20 15:18:26 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: I will send a email to trustees@ so we can add the wording for all officer positions +Jul 20 15:18:27 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Gentoo Trademark License Agreement update +Jul 20 15:19:36 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, OK - The others are in the bylaws already. Some officers and duties are prescribed by NM Statuate +Jul 20 15:19:59 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, ?? +Jul 20 15:20:06 <SwifT> only excuses from my part - i wanted to update the gentoo trademark license agreement by this meeting but couldn't +Jul 20 15:20:18 <SwifT> update = only mention gentoo foundation, inc. and not gentoo e.v. +Jul 20 15:20:36 <SwifT> it's on my prio list for when i'm back +Jul 20 15:20:40 <NeddySeagoon> Seems straight forward. +Jul 20 15:20:53 <SwifT> i will send it out through e-mail once done +Jul 20 15:20:59 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs +Jul 20 15:21:17 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: you forgot the election +Jul 20 15:21:18 <NeddySeagoon> Do we need to consider any today ? +Jul 20 15:21:42 <dabbott> no new bugs +Jul 20 15:21:45 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Oops, sorry +Jul 20 15:22:01 <NeddySeagoon> 3. Trustee Election ... dabbott +Jul 20 15:23:13 <dabbott> No election as only two nominees so NeddySeagoon and antarus are in for the next two years, congrats +Jul 20 15:23:58 <NeddySeagoon> Thank you and thanks to the election offcials too +Jul 20 15:24:02 <dabbott> I am going to stay on as secretary +Jul 20 15:24:24 <dabbott> with a raise of course +Jul 20 15:24:30 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm pleased to hear that +Jul 20 15:24:37 <SwifT> at least 25% raise ;) +Jul 20 15:24:42 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: I approve multiplying the current salary by 2 +Jul 20 15:24:50 <SwifT> =) +Jul 20 15:24:53 <NeddySeagoon> Sure I thinx we can double your salary +Jul 20 15:25:29 <NeddySeagoon> New Business +Jul 20 15:25:51 <NeddySeagoon> Membership Applications +Jul 20 15:25:54 <NeddySeagoon> Tom Gall +Jul 20 15:26:04 <NeddySeagoon> I vote Aye +Jul 20 15:26:07 <Betelgeuse> aye +Jul 20 15:26:10 <dabbott> yes +Jul 20 15:26:25 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, ? +Jul 20 15:26:43 <SwifT> aye of course +Jul 20 15:26:47 <dabbott> nice to have him back, I will send him the email +Jul 20 15:26:54 <NeddySeagoon> Carried +Jul 20 15:27:03 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks dabbott +Jul 20 15:27:16 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +Jul 20 15:27:26 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 17 Aug (AGM) 2014 19:00 UTC +Jul 20 15:27:38 <SwifT> wfm +Jul 20 15:27:47 <NeddySeagoon> This is our AGM Normal business is suspended +Jul 20 15:27:57 <dabbott> fine here +Jul 20 15:28:31 <NeddySeagoon> We will receive officers reports and welcome our new Trustee. +Jul 20 15:28:56 <Betelgeuse> ok +Jul 20 15:29:02 <SwifT> great +Jul 20 15:29:07 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ? +Jul 20 15:29:34 <NeddySeagoon> None from me +Jul 20 15:29:49 <SwifT> none from me either +Jul 20 15:29:55 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ? +Jul 20 15:29:58 <dabbott> noone here +Jul 20 15:30:19 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: mone +Jul 20 15:30:28 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks. +Jul 20 15:30:32 <NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities ... +Jul 20 15:30:35 <dabbott> I will do the log, minutes and the motion +Jul 20 15:30:46 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it looks like its all yours +Jul 20 15:30:54 <NeddySeagoon> thank you +Jul 20 15:31:04 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor +Jul 20 15:31:25 * NeddySeagoon listens to the Russian Thistle +Jul 20 15:32:42 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-08-17.log b/2014/meeting-08-17.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..a45cf66 --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-08-17.log @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +Aug 17 15:09:40 * quantumsummers calls the meeting to begin +Aug 17 15:10:30 <quantumsummers> Hear ye, hear ye, the Gentoo Foundation Inc's Annual General Meeting is now in session +Aug 17 15:10:38 <Betelgeuse> I don't think the AGM cares about trustee quorum +Aug 17 15:10:52 <quantumsummers> Roll Call (Alec will be joining shortly) +Aug 17 15:10:59 <dabbott> here +Aug 17 15:11:09 <Betelgeuse> here +Aug 17 15:11:14 <quantumsummers> here +Aug 17 15:11:25 <quantumsummers> and I have confirmation that antarus will join shortly +Aug 17 15:11:37 <quantumsummers> #2: Who is logging? +Aug 17 15:11:46 Usage: ME <action>, sends the action to the current channel (actions are written in the 3rd person, like /me jumps) +Aug 17 15:11:54 <quantumsummers> dabbott: do you mind managing logs? +Aug 17 15:11:57 * dabbott logging +Aug 17 15:12:02 * ChanServ gives voice to antarus +Aug 17 15:12:14 <dabbott> hi antarus welcome :) +Aug 17 15:12:17 <quantumsummers> hello antarus +Aug 17 15:12:20 <quantumsummers> thanks dabbott +Aug 17 15:12:26 <antarus> really need to post these to nfp ;p +Aug 17 15:12:49 <quantumsummers> First order of business: please review the President's Report here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/PresidentsReport_2014.xml +Aug 17 15:12:56 <quantumsummers> antarus: that suggestion is noted +Aug 17 15:12:56 <dabbott> antarus: sounds like your first job +Aug 17 15:13:29 <quantumsummers> antarus: it is the same every month, 3rd Sunday 1900UTC +Aug 17 15:13:45 <quantumsummers> Motion to accept the President's Report +Aug 17 15:13:58 <dabbott> seconded +Aug 17 15:14:04 <Betelgeuse> I am confused +Aug 17 15:14:08 <Betelgeuse> Are we having the AGM? +Aug 17 15:14:16 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: yes +Aug 17 15:14:21 <quantumsummers> this is the AGM +Aug 17 15:14:27 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: then we should see who Foundation members are present +Aug 17 15:14:40 <Betelgeuse> before other business +Aug 17 15:15:00 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: let's take care of the reports first +Aug 17 15:15:23 <antarus> the end of the report is weird +Aug 17 15:15:36 <antarus> 'compared to other businesses we had a great year' +Aug 17 15:15:41 <antarus> why would we write that +Aug 17 15:15:45 <quantumsummers> no idea +Aug 17 15:15:53 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: In AGM it would be a quorum of members that vote +Aug 17 15:15:54 <quantumsummers> Roy likes to think of the Foundation in business terms +Aug 17 15:16:06 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: So how can you have a motion if we don't know whether there's a quorum? +Aug 17 15:16:15 <antarus> quantumsummers: I'm just unsure which other businesses we are comparing against ;) +Aug 17 15:16:47 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: I really don't know what you mean here. I am following protocol for all the previous years that I have been on the board. +Aug 17 15:17:00 <quantumsummers> We do not define a quorum of members, +Aug 17 15:17:30 <quantumsummers> as far a quorum for the board, we have one. +Aug 17 15:17:30 <dabbott> Betelgeuse: I think its because we meet on irc so not like a meeting in person +Aug 17 15:18:00 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: section 3.9 of bylaws +Aug 17 15:19:07 <Betelgeuse> I am trying to relate this to Finnish AGM general practises but can't really follow +Aug 17 15:19:26 <Betelgeuse> The boards have little to do in AGMs +Aug 17 15:19:57 <quantumsummers> ah, ok I see what you are talking about +Aug 17 15:20:38 <Betelgeuse> I would assume an AGM starts with a rollcall of members +Aug 17 15:20:54 <Betelgeuse> and then see if we have quorum of members +Aug 17 15:21:33 <Betelgeuse> plus we should state for the record whether section 3.2 was followed +Aug 17 15:21:48 <Betelgeuse> sorry 3.4 +Aug 17 15:23:11 <dabbott> we talked about this before, the lines get blurred because of the fact we don't have a real meeting in person, this has confused me also +Aug 17 15:23:40 <quantumsummers> so, typically in Gentoo AGM we simply present the reports, the board votes to accept, then we open the floor. +Aug 17 15:24:19 <quantumsummers> perhaps we should amend the bylaws a bit to reflect the current precedent +Aug 17 15:25:07 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: There are Finnish non profits that use IRC for their AGMs +Aug 17 15:25:17 <dabbott> I wasn't here when the bylaws were put together, but looks to me they were taken from another source as a guide and then they tried to adopt +Aug 17 15:25:38 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: but if we had a quorum of members, wouldn't the members be the ones voting? +Aug 17 15:26:08 <antarus> can we just take attendance and move on? +Aug 17 15:26:24 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: what you are describing is no different from a trustee meeting +Aug 17 15:26:52 <quantumsummers> indeed, that is what is has looked like in the past +Aug 17 15:27:21 <quantumsummers> have you, as a foundation member, ever attended an AGM? +Aug 17 15:28:06 <quantumsummers> there are 11 +v in here besides the trustees +Aug 17 15:28:30 <quantumsummers> our meetings are never well attended +Aug 17 15:29:24 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: I am just lawyering here to follow steps +Aug 17 15:29:46 <antarus> just take roll, why are we even arguing about this +Aug 17 15:29:49 <antarus> it takes like 2 seconds +Aug 17 15:29:51 <dabbott> 11 in attendance and 83 members +Aug 17 15:30:22 <quantumsummers> Member Roll Call - all members please state that you are present +Aug 17 15:30:41 <quantumsummers> as a member, I am present +Aug 17 15:30:48 <dabbott> here +Aug 17 15:30:49 <Betelgeuse> here +Aug 17 15:30:56 <antarus> here +Aug 17 15:31:43 <quantumsummers> waiting 30 more seconds for any stragglers +Aug 17 15:32:39 <quantumsummers> last call for roll +Aug 17 15:32:49 <quantumsummers> ok then. +Aug 17 15:33:02 <quantumsummers> we do not have a member quorum +Aug 17 15:33:22 <Betelgeuse> ok, thanks +Aug 17 15:33:26 <quantumsummers> luckily for us, we have no special business outside of the following: +Aug 17 15:33:37 <quantumsummers> 1) welcome new board member Alec Warner (antarus) +Aug 17 15:33:59 <antarus> yay! +Aug 17 15:34:00 <quantumsummers> 2) Review and vote on the acceptance of the reports from Roy and David +Aug 17 15:34:19 <quantumsummers> thanks for joining the board antarus, may your tenure be fruitful +Aug 17 15:34:37 <quantumsummers> we all appreciate you joining +Aug 17 15:34:39 <antarus> fruit is delicious +Aug 17 15:34:45 <dabbott> yes thanks alec +Aug 17 15:35:05 <antarus> as an aside, I am not doing much irc these days; so email / phone is best for getting a hold of me +Aug 17 15:35:09 <antarus> as quantumsummers did earlier ;) +Aug 17 15:35:30 <quantumsummers> I will also note for the record, that David Abbott has stepped down from the board, but has agreed to remain on as an officer, Secretary. +Aug 17 15:35:55 <quantumsummers> so, many thanks to David for offering his time and expertise as Secretary +Aug 17 15:36:32 <antarus> indeed, thanks David +Aug 17 15:36:49 <dabbott> np +Aug 17 15:37:19 <Betelgeuse> thanks +Aug 17 15:38:02 <quantumsummers> I would like to bring the President's Report up for a vote now, shall I proceed? +Aug 17 15:38:28 <dabbott> yes +Aug 17 15:38:31 <quantumsummers> alternatively, if anyone would like Roy to make any changes prior to acceptance, we can vote via mail after the respective changes have been made +Aug 17 15:38:46 <quantumsummers> similarly for the Secretary's Report +Aug 17 15:39:02 <quantumsummers> we will be voting via email for the Treasurer's Report +Aug 17 15:39:22 <antarus> I'm not sure I care enough about the closing remarks to delay it ;p +Aug 17 15:39:34 <quantumsummers> antarus: please decide +Aug 17 15:39:39 <quantumsummers> if you care enough :D +Aug 17 15:39:49 <quantumsummers> since you're not sure +Aug 17 15:40:05 <antarus> we can proceed +Aug 17 15:40:10 <quantumsummers> very well. +Aug 17 15:40:37 <quantumsummers> The motion to accept the President's Report was seconded earlier. Please vote: +Aug 17 15:40:42 <quantumsummers> aye +Aug 17 15:40:54 <dabbott> aye +Aug 17 15:40:56 <Betelgeuse> aye +Aug 17 15:41:23 <antarus> aye +Aug 17 15:41:28 <quantumsummers> the motion is carried +Aug 17 15:41:43 <quantumsummers> New motion: Accept the Secretary's Report +Aug 17 15:43:08 <dabbott> well im not on the board so I cannot second +Aug 17 15:43:16 <quantumsummers> anyone care to second this motion? Alternatively shall we table the motion with requests for edits? +Aug 17 15:43:47 <Betelgeuse> seconded +Aug 17 15:43:52 <quantumsummers> thanks Betelgeuse +Aug 17 15:44:08 <quantumsummers> Please vote to accept the Secretary's Report as it stands: +Aug 17 15:44:14 <quantumsummers> aye +Aug 17 15:44:17 <Betelgeuse> aye +Aug 17 15:44:21 <antarus> aye +Aug 17 15:44:33 <quantumsummers> the motion is carried +Aug 17 15:45:03 <quantumsummers> As previously stated, with apologies, the Treasurer's Report is not complete. Targetting this coming week for a complete draft. +Aug 17 15:45:40 <quantumsummers> Next up. Date of next meeting: It looks like September 21st, 2014 1900UTC. +Aug 17 15:46:02 <quantumsummers> I note that the table in the meeting agenda shows the 17th, which is a Wednesday +Aug 17 15:46:35 <quantumsummers> everyone OK with 2014-09-21-1900UTC ? +Aug 17 15:46:39 <dabbott> thats correct +Aug 17 15:47:20 <quantumsummers> ok, date of next meeting is set 2014-09-21-1900UTC +Aug 17 15:47:37 <quantumsummers> I call for Any Other Business from the board or officers +Aug 17 15:48:33 <quantumsummers> If no other business from the board or officers, I shall move to the cleanup section, which shall be followed by Open Floor. +Aug 17 15:48:39 <quantumsummers> last chance ... +Aug 17 15:48:52 <quantumsummers> Ok, Responsibilities: +Aug 17 15:48:55 <dabbott> I will do the log minutes and motions +Aug 17 15:49:19 <quantumsummers> Thank you dabbott. There are no emails to send. +Aug 17 15:50:15 <quantumsummers> I hereby open the floor to any member or attendee for other business +Aug 17 15:50:52 <quantumsummers> please bring forth any topic you may have +Aug 17 15:51:01 <quantumsummers> don't be shy +Aug 17 15:51:27 <quantumsummers> you have one more minute to bring business before the board please +Aug 17 15:52:29 <quantumsummers> As there is no member or attendee business, I officially close this year's Annual General Meeting. Thank you all for attending. May the source be with you. +Aug 17 15:52:36 * quantumsummers bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-09-21.log b/2014/meeting-09-21.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..eaa156e --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-09-21.log @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +Sep 21 15:13:25 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum, so lets start +Sep 21 15:14:08 <NeddySeagoon> Who is logging the meeting - dabbot, I guess this falls to you +Sep 21 15:14:24 <dabbott> got it :) +Sep 21 15:15:18 <NeddySeagoon> Sorry I missed the AGM. Domestic cirumstances changed since we set the calendar +Sep 21 15:15:54 <NeddySeagoon> Nothing in the Activity Tracker +Sep 21 15:16:29 <NeddySeagoon> Credit card for AWS usage - It seems we have an Amex. +Sep 21 15:17:11 <NeddySeagoon> Details need to be made available to infra - thats an action on quantumsummers +Sep 21 15:17:36 <Betelgeuse> If not, I think it should be reasonably easy to get a prepaid virtual one +Sep 21 15:17:46 <NeddySeagoon> We need to skip quantumsummers stuff as hes not here +Sep 21 15:17:48 <Betelgeuse> I know there are Finnish providers so there must be US ones +Sep 21 15:18:21 <NeddySeagoon> "robbat2 he's got an amex for our needs, he's just travelling and doesn't have it on hand to give me the details yet" +Sep 21 15:18:35 <NeddySeagoon> looks like its well in hand +Sep 21 15:19:19 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Gentoo Trademark License Agreement - update please +Sep 21 15:19:43 <SwifT> the latest "version"of the updated agreement has been sent off to gentoo-nfp for final discussion +Sep 21 15:19:49 <SwifT> no feedback ont he mailinglist from it though +Sep 21 15:20:13 <SwifT> it focuses on the gentoo foundation alone, as gentoo e.v. didn't really act upon the question for potential "merger" of their license usage and ours +Sep 21 15:20:26 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, is it wort a post on gentoo-annouce ? +Sep 21 15:20:43 <NeddySeagoon> worth* +Sep 21 15:20:48 <SwifT> NeddySeagoon: still in the "feedback wanted" state, or afterwards when it's published? +Sep 21 15:21:22 <SwifT> for the feedback, I might better ask gentoo-project as well ( not many are on the -nfp one) +Sep 21 15:21:26 <NeddySeagoon> In feedback wanted. Ance its published, we don,t really want to change it +Sep 21 15:22:06 <SwifT> I'm not sure it's worth an -announce mail, but I'm not opposed to it either +Sep 21 15:22:46 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, just to say its on -nfp if you want to review and comment +Sep 21 15:23:04 <SwifT> ok, will do +Sep 21 15:24:22 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs I don't see any to review today +Sep 21 15:24:22 <SwifT> other than that nothing major to say onit +Sep 21 15:25:13 <NeddySeagoon> New Business. Gentoo Developers applying for membership +Sep 21 15:25:40 <NeddySeagoon> Xavier Miller and Kristian Fiskerstrand +Sep 21 15:25:54 <NeddySeagoon> All those in favour say aye +Sep 21 15:26:00 <NeddySeagoon> Aye +Sep 21 15:26:05 <SwifT> aye +Sep 21 15:26:19 * NeddySeagoon looks at Betelgeuse +Sep 21 15:26:33 <dabbott> heh +Sep 21 15:26:50 <Betelgeuse> aye +Sep 21 15:27:10 <NeddySeagoon> Thank you. Mootion carried. +Sep 21 15:27:34 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, please write the emails. +Sep 21 15:27:43 <dabbott> will do +Sep 21 15:27:55 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business +Sep 21 15:28:00 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, ? +Sep 21 15:28:05 <SwifT> nope,not from me +Sep 21 15:28:09 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ? +Sep 21 15:28:23 <dabbott> Copyright assignment status +Sep 21 15:28:46 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you have the floor +Sep 21 15:28:54 <dabbott> Betelgeuse: added to agenda :) +Sep 21 15:28:58 <Betelgeuse> Do we have existing docs to assign copyright to the Foundation? +Sep 21 15:29:32 <dabbott> https://www.gentoo.org/main/en/name-logo.xml +Sep 21 15:29:57 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: does not seem related? +Sep 21 15:30:05 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, rich0 did something with this - I would need to read logs to see where it got to +Sep 21 15:31:00 <NeddySeagoon> From memory it got to our legal team for review +Sep 21 15:31:16 <dabbott> http://dev.gentoo.org/~rich0/copyrightpolicy.xml +Sep 21 15:31:22 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, That well be a no, then +Sep 21 15:32:43 <Betelgeuse> Ok. I will take that as a needs work item then. +Sep 21 15:33:10 <NeddySeagoon> yep. Are you volunteering to take it on ? +Sep 21 15:33:14 <SwifT> http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/legal/copyrightpolicy.xml is the last I find of it +Sep 21 15:33:34 <SwifT> and it's indeed still draft +Sep 21 15:33:38 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: No promises to finish but you can attribute it to me. +Sep 21 15:33:46 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: I am working to clear a couple estates atm +Sep 21 15:33:58 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, understood and thank you. +Sep 21 15:34:40 <NeddySeagoon> I have one item. Exchanging contact details. I'll email the alias +Sep 21 15:35:13 <NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities +Sep 21 15:35:29 <NeddySeagoon> Its looks like they are all yours dabbott +Sep 21 15:35:39 <dabbott> yep I got it :) +Sep 21 15:35:54 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor +Sep 21 15:36:48 <NeddySeagoon> Is antarus on the alias ? +Sep 21 15:38:01 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-10-19.log b/2014/meeting-10-19.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..8e4a4d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-10-19.log @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +Oct 19 15:00:08 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open tho Oct 2014 Trustees meeting +Oct 19 15:00:15 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call +Oct 19 15:01:07 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, ? +Oct 19 15:02:43 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: hello +Oct 19 15:03:17 <NeddySeagoon> Hi Betelgeuse , when swift gets back we will have a quorum +Oct 19 15:05:34 * robbat2 waves +Oct 19 15:05:38 <SwifT> i'm here +Oct 19 15:06:10 <NeddySeagoon> Ok, lets go - we have 3 out of 5 +Oct 19 15:06:21 * dabbott o/ +Oct 19 15:06:37 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, are you logging? +Oct 19 15:06:48 <dabbott> yes on it :) +Oct 19 15:07:36 <NeddySeagoon> Activity tracker. Our IRS Return 990 is due next month# +Oct 19 15:08:09 <NeddySeagoon> as is our Annual Report - New Mexico +Oct 19 15:08:42 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Are those yours or Matts? +Oct 19 15:09:05 <dabbott> Matt did them last year +Oct 19 15:09:43 <NeddySeagoon> As hes not here a reminder email is probably in order +Oct 19 15:09:55 <dabbott> for sure the 990, I could do the annual report but its better if he pays from the foundation funds +Oct 19 15:10:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep +Oct 19 15:10:58 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, Gentoo Copyright Policy any update ? +Oct 19 15:11:28 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: nope, sorry +Oct 19 15:11:55 <Betelgeuse> Need to get some personal business out of the way before that can continue +Oct 19 15:12:01 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers isn't here, so we will skip his bits +Oct 19 15:12:17 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, sure RL comes first +Oct 19 15:12:58 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Gentoo Trademark License Agreement ... any feedback from the lists? +Oct 19 15:13:15 <SwifT> on the trademark, I'm discussing the idea of having a cooperative trademark with Gentoo e.V. through/with Sebastian Pipping +Oct 19 15:13:29 <SwifT> it's not through the mailinglist, usually by call and e-mail +Oct 19 15:13:47 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Thats worthwhile progress. +Oct 19 15:13:50 <SwifT> I try to send updates to trustees@gentoo.org when some steps are taken as a way to "docuemt" things +Oct 19 15:14:09 * ChanServ gives voice to fuzzyray +Oct 19 15:14:18 <NeddySeagoon> That works. Are there any big disagreements? +Oct 19 15:14:19 <SwifT> yes, I'm glad things are progressing on this side. I saw I got a mailfrom sping today so might have more info tomorrow or so +Oct 19 15:14:35 <NeddySeagoon> ok +Oct 19 15:15:00 <SwifT> we're still in the "discovery" phase. there are some differences between the Gentoo e.V. one and ours, but that doesn't mean that Gentoo e.V. is against the draft we have (which is more liberal than tehirs right now) +Oct 19 15:15:01 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs I'm not aware of anything pressing +Oct 19 15:15:52 <SwifT> Betelgeuse: on the copyright stuff, shall I send my remarks to you directly or is there a bug to comment on? +Oct 19 15:16:03 <SwifT> Betelgeuse: it's mainly to answer your open question on docs +Oct 19 15:16:05 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, they have to comply with EU law and we have US law. We can sill have a common policy though +Oct 19 15:16:23 <SwifT> NeddySeagoon: yes, I don'tthink law will be a problem +Oct 19 15:16:38 <Betelgeuse> SwifT: No bug. +Oct 19 15:16:56 <NeddySeagoon> Anyone want to go through the bugs? +Oct 19 15:17:06 <SwifT> NeddySeagoon: no +Oct 19 15:17:13 <Betelgeuse> I think at the very least we should cross license +Oct 19 15:17:16 <Betelgeuse> the trademarks +Oct 19 15:17:44 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, yes, that will formalise the way we work. +Oct 19 15:17:56 <NeddySeagoon> New Business ... there is not. +Oct 19 15:18:00 <NeddySeagoon> none* +Oct 19 15:18:14 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 16 Nov 2014 19:00 UTC +Oct 19 15:18:32 <NeddySeagoon> WFM - we will be on UTC then +Oct 19 15:19:11 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Betelgeuse ^^ +Oct 19 15:19:24 <SwifT> lemme quickly check my agenda +Oct 19 15:19:24 <Betelgeuse> wfm +Oct 19 15:20:00 <dabbott> Can everyone send there current address to @trustess for the annual report, we will need alex's also +Oct 19 15:20:08 <SwifT> looks to work forme +Oct 19 15:20:33 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I did that a few weeks ago. +Oct 19 15:20:49 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Oct 19 15:20:56 <NeddySeagoon> Nothing from me +Oct 19 15:21:33 <SwifT> dabbott: if you can't find the addresses, can you mail trustees@ so we can just reply to that (instead of creating single, individual e-mail threads for each address ;-) ? +Oct 19 15:21:50 <Betelgeuse> I already emailed +Oct 19 15:21:54 <Betelgeuse> You can reply to that +Oct 19 15:22:02 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, AoB ? +Oct 19 15:22:03 <SwifT> yeah, just noticed +Oct 19 15:22:14 <Betelgeuse> no AoB from me +Oct 19 15:22:20 <SwifT> no other B from me +Oct 19 15:22:39 <NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities .. dabbott all yours :) +Oct 19 15:22:48 <dabbott> ok +Oct 19 15:22:51 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +Oct 19 15:23:59 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the Oct 2014 Trustees meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-11-16.log b/2014/meeting-11-16.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..634a239 --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-11-16.log @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +Nov 16 14:01:27 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to start the November 2014 Trustees meeting +Nov 16 14:01:31 <Betelgeuse> present +Nov 16 14:01:35 <SwifT> you're taking your role as "old dude" too seriously :P +Nov 16 14:01:37 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call ... +Nov 16 14:02:06 <SwifT> I'm here +Nov 16 14:02:16 <NeddySeagoon> antarus|web, quantumsummers ? +Nov 16 14:03:21 <NeddySeagoon> Well we have a quarum anyway ... lets start. +Nov 16 14:03:27 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ? +Nov 16 14:03:33 <dabbott> im here +Nov 16 14:03:50 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks are you logging? +Nov 16 14:03:57 <dabbott> yes sir will do +Nov 16 14:04:13 <NeddySeagoon> Thanxs dabbott +Nov 16 14:04:15 <antarus|web> I am here ;) +Nov 16 14:04:37 <NeddySeagoon> IRS Return 990 ... That must be about overdue +Nov 16 14:05:08 <NeddySeagoon> Due yesterday ... +Nov 16 14:05:39 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, do you know what happened wit our filing? +Nov 16 14:05:42 <NeddySeagoon> with* +Nov 16 14:06:07 <dabbott> I did the corp with NM no idea about 990 +Nov 16 14:06:43 <NeddySeagoon> I'll email quantumsummers +Nov 16 14:08:05 <NeddySeagoon> The report to NM was next on the activity tracker - care to update it dabbot +Nov 16 14:08:37 <dabbott> we are in good standing I updated it last month +Nov 16 14:09:12 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, Your turn ... Gentoo Copyright Policy ... last month, you needed RL to calm down +Nov 16 14:09:24 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks dabbott +Nov 16 14:09:47 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: We only finished one out of two estate inventories this week. Let's get back to it next month. +Nov 16 14:10:08 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, hehe RL continues +Nov 16 14:10:13 <NeddySeagoon> thanxs +Nov 16 14:10:41 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers isn't here. +Nov 16 14:11:14 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Gentoo Trademark License Agreement - progress update ? +Nov 16 14:11:50 <SwifT> I'm waiting for the gentoo e.v. feedback, but that won't come before december 27th or so (the time that they get together to vote on stuff) +Nov 16 14:12:18 <SwifT> I did get the suggestion to add in examples ot the trademark document - i'm still looking at how I can do that, either in the document or through a FAQ +Nov 16 14:12:37 <SwifT> other than that no more news +Nov 16 14:14:11 <NeddySeagoon> The document should be just that. Examples should be external. We may need to get legal opinion before we adopt it, so short is good. +Nov 16 14:14:43 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs Is there anything pressing? +Nov 16 14:14:43 <Betelgeuse> Having a US trademark attorney read the final proposal is prudent +Nov 16 14:15:06 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, agreed +Nov 16 14:15:09 <SwifT> ack +Nov 16 14:15:41 <Betelgeuse> Especially considering the recent GNOME / Groupon incident +Nov 16 14:15:54 <NeddySeagoon> What wan that ? +Nov 16 14:16:00 <NeddySeagoon> was* +Nov 16 14:16:12 <SwifT> Groupon using the GNOME name for one of their products +Nov 16 14:16:25 <SwifT> they did succumb to pressure afaik +Nov 16 14:16:40 <NeddySeagoon> I'll read it up on the web +Nov 16 14:17:31 <NeddySeagoon> There is a council in the UK that uses Gentoo for its housing info ... +Nov 16 14:18:05 <NeddySeagoon> No more on bugs this month then? +Nov 16 14:18:46 <NeddySeagoon> New Business .... +Nov 16 14:19:33 <NeddySeagoon> Membership Applications One dev ... Alex Brandt (alunduil) all those in favour please say Aye +Nov 16 14:19:36 <NeddySeagoon> Aye +Nov 16 14:19:38 <Betelgeuse> Aye +Nov 16 14:19:40 <SwifT> aye +Nov 16 14:19:56 <antarus|web> aye +Nov 16 14:20:28 <NeddySeagoon> Carried. dabbott please do the welcome email +Nov 16 14:20:37 <dabbott> will do +Nov 16 14:20:53 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks +Nov 16 14:21:28 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 21 Dec 2014 19:00 UTC Thats the shortest day (in the Northern hemisphere anyway) +Nov 16 14:22:07 <SwifT> thanks all +Nov 16 14:22:26 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, we are not quite done ... +Nov 16 14:23:01 <SwifT> sorry +Nov 16 14:23:11 <antarus|web> heh, that is 9am for me. I should be able to make it +Nov 16 14:23:34 <Betelgeuse> I will be in Ontario but I assume the time works +Nov 16 14:23:54 <NeddySeagoon> antarus|web, I thought you were UTC -8 +Nov 16 14:24:19 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, DoNM? +Nov 16 14:24:46 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Nov 16 14:24:53 <SwifT> donm? +Nov 16 14:25:13 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Date of Next Meeting - 21 Dec 2014 19:00 UT +Nov 16 14:25:28 <antarus|web> NeddySeagoon: I am in Michigan that week +Nov 16 14:25:33 <SwifT> NeddySeagoon: ok for me +Nov 16 14:25:38 <antarus|web> but its fine +Nov 16 14:26:05 <NeddySeagoon> antarus|web Thats UTC-6 then ? +Nov 16 14:26:52 <NeddySeagoon> I have 2 items of AoB but I'll write to the alias +Nov 16 14:27:15 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse AoB ? +Nov 16 14:27:19 <Betelgeuse> no +Nov 16 14:27:28 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, AoB ? +Nov 16 14:27:31 <SwifT> nope +Nov 16 14:27:45 <NeddySeagoon> antarus|web, AoB ? +Nov 16 14:28:13 <antarus|web> none +Nov 16 14:28:26 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you OK with all the Responsibilities? +Nov 16 14:28:44 <dabbott> yep got it :) +Nov 16 14:28:49 <NeddySeagoon> and last of all Open Floor ... +Nov 16 14:28:55 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Thanks +Nov 16 14:29:57 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2014/meeting-12-21.log b/2014/meeting-12-21.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..5a74766 --- /dev/null +++ b/2014/meeting-12-21.log @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +Dec 21 14:00:16 * NeddySeagoon calls the December Trustees meeting to order +Dec 21 14:00:24 <Betelgeuse> Present +Dec 21 14:00:30 * SwifT replies "Present" +Dec 21 14:00:50 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, quantumsummers antarus ? +Dec 21 14:01:00 <SwifT> ^^ +Dec 21 14:01:10 * NeddySeagoon gives channel operator status to antarus +Dec 21 14:01:49 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... lets start +Dec 21 14:02:16 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, are you logging? I mirght be, my logger is here +Dec 21 14:02:28 <Betelgeuse> My irssi always logs any way +Dec 21 14:02:43 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, thanks +Dec 21 14:03:15 <NeddySeagoon> Item 1 IRS Return 990 - quantumsummers confirmed that it was submitted in good time +Dec 21 14:03:32 <Betelgeuse> good +Dec 21 14:05:06 <NeddySeagoon> Item 2 Activity Tracker Nothing due. dabbott submitted the annual report, so we remain in good standing +Dec 21 14:05:59 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, Hows RL? any progress on the Gentoo Copyright Policy +Dec 21 14:06:23 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: Last estate inventory in January 8th +Dec 21 14:06:59 <NeddySeagoon> OK, lets postpone further action until the Feb meeting +Dec 21 14:07:04 <Betelgeuse> yeah +Dec 21 14:07:37 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers isn't here, so we will skip his bit +Dec 21 14:07:58 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, Your turn Gentoo Trademark License Agreement? +Dec 21 14:08:12 <SwifT> I'll only know something about it in our january meeting +Dec 21 14:08:20 <NeddySeagoon> OK +Dec 21 14:08:21 <SwifT> gentoo e.v. has its annual meeting next week iirc +Dec 21 14:08:54 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT will you attend the e.V. meeting? I assume its virtual? +Dec 21 14:09:08 <SwifT> it's physical, but no - i wont attend it myself +Dec 21 14:09:49 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, I bet they don't get many attendees at a physical meeting +Dec 21 14:10:06 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs ... +Dec 21 14:10:30 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: At least Finnish law requires the meeting to be physical +Dec 21 14:10:40 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: However only one person needs to be on site +Dec 21 14:10:46 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: Others can join remote +Dec 21 14:10:54 <Betelgeuse> So really a technicality +Dec 21 14:11:04 <SwifT> lol +Dec 21 14:11:06 <SwifT> ;) +Dec 21 14:11:14 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, New Mexico only requires that all participents can hear one another. +Dec 21 14:11:45 <Betelgeuse> However the org neds to have explicitly approved joining remote +Dec 21 14:11:47 <NeddySeagoon> and that the meeting be open +Dec 21 14:12:00 <Betelgeuse> Usually by the board or in the rules of the org +Dec 21 14:12:21 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 476718 +Dec 21 14:12:23 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/476718 "Request for bitcoin donation support"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; rich0:trustees +Dec 21 14:13:31 * rich0_ is now known as rich0 +Dec 21 14:13:51 <Betelgeuse> Coinbase seems ok to me. I would like an ACK from our accountant first though. +Dec 21 14:14:41 <NeddySeagoon> We discussed bitcoin and stocks and shares donations a year or so ago and decided that they should be discouraged. But if anyone insisted, we would cash them soonest as holding other forms of investment is not our coure business +Dec 21 14:15:08 <NeddySeagoon> core* +Dec 21 14:15:34 <Betelgeuse> Is there any benefit for direct stocks and shares donations instead of the donor converting them to cash first? +Dec 21 14:15:50 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, not to us, no. +Dec 21 14:16:17 <NeddySeagoon> Bitcoin values vary considerably ... +Dec 21 14:16:24 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: I was mainly asking from donor perspective +Dec 21 14:17:42 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, I don't know the tax laws well enough to comment. We need a USA member +Dec 21 14:18:13 <SwifT> not only tax laws, but we also need a more worked out suggestion than just "please accept bitcoin" +Dec 21 14:18:23 <NeddySeagoon> ping Guest21526 +Dec 21 14:19:10 <NeddySeagoon> SwifT, exactly. Thats why we opted to discourage it when it was last discussed +Dec 21 14:19:54 <NeddySeagoon> Lets wove on ... we cannot resolve it today +Dec 21 14:20:00 <NeddySeagoon> move* +Dec 21 14:20:50 <Betelgeuse> agreed +Dec 21 14:21:06 <NeddySeagoon> bug 530480 +Dec 21 14:21:08 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/530480 "Funding Request: Upgrades & Shipping for Hyves donated servers"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; robbat2:trustees +Dec 21 14:21:56 <NeddySeagoon> That seems to be going OK - no immediate action required from us, unless you know differently +Dec 21 14:22:44 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup ... +Dec 21 14:22:54 <Betelgeuse> The upgrades were already paid for +Dec 21 14:23:11 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Dec 21 14:23:19 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 18 Jan 2015 19:00 UTC +Dec 21 14:23:56 <SwifT> probably ok for me, I'm on a weekend trip then but probably back by 19UTC +Dec 21 14:24:07 <Betelgeuse> ok +Dec 21 14:24:20 <NeddySeagoon> I'm OK +Dec 21 14:24:23 <NeddySeagoon> Who will post the log? Minutes? ... I nominate dabbott +Dec 21 14:24:25 <dabbott> I got the log, minutes etc, also will start the new agenda for Jan +Dec 21 14:24:43 <dabbott> :) hi everyone +Dec 21 14:24:45 <NeddySeagoon> hehe ... well timed David +Dec 21 14:24:53 <dabbott> I was waiting +Dec 21 14:24:59 <dabbott> heh +Dec 21 14:25:12 <SwifT> ;) +Dec 21 14:25:12 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business +Dec 21 14:25:57 <Betelgeuse> none here +Dec 21 14:26:05 <SwifT> nope +Dec 21 14:26:14 <NeddySeagoon> I have two things that I wrote to the alias about ... it looks like we dropped the ball but another month won't hurt. +Dec 21 14:26:49 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: Did we have any membership business? I remember emails but maybe it was already for the last one. +Dec 21 14:27:20 <dabbott> afair it was for the last meeting +Dec 21 14:27:47 <Betelgeuse> yeah confirmed by inbox +Dec 21 14:27:52 <Betelgeuse> sorry about the noise +Dec 21 14:27:54 <NeddySeagoon> One of them wos OVH Gentoo - thas a sore in the side of the French forum. The other was a trademark violation - someone wrapping Gentoo docs vint ads +Dec 21 14:29:03 <NeddySeagoon> Lets get it on the Jan agenda and give everyone a chance to read the email threads +Dec 21 14:29:11 <Betelgeuse> sounds good +Dec 21 14:29:36 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +Dec 21 14:30:13 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: send an email to the alias with the agenda info and I will add it +Dec 21 14:30:18 <NeddySeagoon> That should have been Open Floor +Dec 21 14:30:30 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok +Dec 21 14:31:19 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting diff --git a/2015/meeting-03-15-2015.log b/2015/meeting-03-15-2015.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b4771b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/2015/meeting-03-15-2015.log @@ -0,0 +1,274 @@ +Mar 15 15:00:13 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call +Mar 15 15:00:19 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, ? +Mar 15 15:01:28 <NeddySeagoon> We have three - lets start. antarus is on DST so he probably wont be here for an hour, or he turned up an hour ago ... +Mar 15 15:01:37 <alsoSwifT> hehe +Mar 15 15:01:56 <alsoSwifT> a few more weeks and it's our turn :- +Mar 15 15:02:02 <NeddySeagoon> It looks like my logger is here twice, so I may have logs +Mar 15 15:02:19 <alsoSwifT> ah, Famous* is yours? +Mar 15 15:02:39 <NeddySeagoon> alsoSwifT, yes, another goon show character +Mar 15 15:03:08 <NeddySeagoon> IRS Return 990 - was done in good time - seet the alias +Mar 15 15:03:40 <antarus> rolll calll +Mar 15 15:03:49 <alsoSwifT> here he is +Mar 15 15:03:51 <NeddySeagoon> Activity Tracker - It could do with an update but there is nothing outstanding +Mar 15 15:03:51 <antarus> I am here +Mar 15 15:04:25 <NeddySeagoon> hey antarus, I thought you fell into the DST trap. Welcome +Mar 15 15:04:41 <antarus> one can only miss so many meetings ;) +Mar 15 15:05:21 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, can you give the Activity Tracker a spring clean please ? Everything is up to date but it doesn't read that way +Mar 15 15:05:46 <dabbott> sure will do +Mar 15 15:05:57 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, you have the floor ... Gentoo Copyright Policy +Mar 15 15:06:03 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Mar 15 15:06:30 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: no news +Mar 15 15:06:33 <antarus> I texted quantumsummers, fwiw ;) +Mar 15 15:06:37 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: next item +Mar 15 15:06:57 <Betelgeuse> Though I might use this to ask quickly about the anon developer request +Mar 15 15:07:05 <Betelgeuse> Because it concerns copyrights +Mar 15 15:07:13 <Betelgeuse> Anyone disagree with my response on the email? +Mar 15 15:07:35 <Betelgeuse> On the topic that as long as Foundation knows devs name, we have no need to communicate externally +Mar 15 15:07:36 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, its not an issue. Anon devs cannot be Foundation Officers is all +Mar 15 15:07:49 <alsoSwifT> the one about only disclosing name to a few people? no, don't disagree on that +Mar 15 15:07:57 <antarus> no disagreement +Mar 15 15:08:08 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, correct. In case we get a writ to disclose it +Mar 15 15:08:08 <Betelgeuse> Is the Foundation membership list public info? +Mar 15 15:08:32 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, yes - thats required by law +Mar 15 15:08:44 <Betelgeuse> ok. I will inform this info on my reply that I am typing +Mar 15 15:09:04 <antarus> so he can be an anonymous developer, but not an anonymous foundation member? +Mar 15 15:09:19 <Betelgeuse> that seems to be the case +Mar 15 15:09:21 <NeddySeagoon> The law says we have to have names and postal addresses too but we use email, so we follow the intent but not the letter +Mar 15 15:09:24 <alsoSwifT> iirc https://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/20140614_member_list.xml is our list of 2014... +Mar 15 15:09:33 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: that's different though +Mar 15 15:09:38 <dabbott> Betelgeuse: its on the bottom of the agenda +Mar 15 15:09:46 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, he can be a member but not an office holder. +Mar 15 15:10:09 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, How would he sign cheques for example +Mar 15 15:10:12 <Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: Foundation keeping track of that info does not mean they need to tell anyone asking +Mar 15 15:10:13 <antarus> NeddySeagoon: so for membership, we would list his psuedonym and hold his real name in confidence? +Mar 15 15:10:27 <antarus> that is my question, we just said membership in the foundation was public +Mar 15 15:10:55 <alsoSwifT> or (s)he can decline becoming a gentoo foundation member? +Mar 15 15:10:57 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, correct - we would need a properly served writ ... court papers +Mar 15 15:11:09 <Betelgeuse> alsoSwifT: that's a separate application any way +Mar 15 15:11:23 <alsoSwifT> ok +Mar 15 15:11:28 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, it is but we use Nicks there +Mar 15 15:11:36 <Betelgeuse> I fill just formulate that for now the Foundation keeps a public membership list but if he wants to join we can consider arrangements +Mar 15 15:11:40 <antarus> ok, sgtm +Mar 15 15:12:07 <antarus> letse keep this ball rollin' ;) +Mar 15 15:12:16 <NeddySeagoon> antarus thats it. +Mar 15 15:12:34 <NeddySeagoon> My turn +Mar 15 15:14:23 <NeddySeagoon> huihoo.com wrapping gentoo website and adding ads its even out of date info. Its unlikely they have our permission to use our logo, even if the content is Creative Commons. We need to (nicely) ask them to stop infringing our trademark +Mar 15 15:14:35 <antarus> I'm curious if we can get help +Mar 15 15:14:43 <antarus> they are doing it for everyone, not just us? +Mar 15 15:14:59 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, I've not checked +Mar 15 15:15:14 <antarus> I mean, they are mirroring redhat docs with ads, etc.. +Mar 15 15:15:17 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, is that an offer to check it out? +Mar 15 15:15:49 <antarus> oh man, never should have spoken up +Mar 15 15:15:53 <antarus> I will take it, yes. +Mar 15 15:15:55 <alsoSwifT> ;) +Mar 15 15:15:59 <dabbott> heh +Mar 15 15:16:19 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, thats how volunteers work. Thank you +Mar 15 15:17:33 <NeddySeagoon> Gentoo OVH Release 2 is the cause of lots of grief. Can we stop OVH calling it Gentoo? It was still baselayout 1 last time I looked +Mar 15 15:17:56 <NeddySeagoon> Its so old, it can't be upgraded +Mar 15 15:18:17 <NeddySeagoon> at least, not by the people OVH sell it too +Mar 15 15:18:18 <antarus> Can is a storng term... +Mar 15 15:18:25 <antarus> have we talked to them? +Mar 15 15:19:08 <antarus> I think the best way forward would be to label it as somethnig useful, like "Gentoo 2009" or similar labelling +Mar 15 15:19:18 <NeddySeagoon> Not yet ... I'm just in the process of dropping a server there. It did cross my mind to offer to do them a real up to date Gentoo +Mar 15 15:19:20 <alsoSwifT> I agree +Mar 15 15:19:21 <antarus> making it clear to their customerse that they probably do not want it. +Mar 15 15:19:33 <antarus> I think getting them a newest version is best course of action +Mar 15 15:19:36 <Betelgeuse> +1 +Mar 15 15:19:40 <antarus> labelling their existing version is second best +Mar 15 15:19:48 <antarus> suing them...meh...I don't think we have any grounds +Mar 15 15:20:08 <antarus> I think "Gentoo Release 2" was never a real product +Mar 15 15:20:12 <antarus> (that we offered) +Mar 15 15:20:25 <alsoSwifT> first ask and see what can be done +Mar 15 15:20:30 <antarus> so perhaps they either have to use the actual name of what we released, or we have a trademark case +Mar 15 15:20:38 <NeddySeagoon> I wan't thinking of suing ... I like the sound of a name change though +Mar 15 15:20:55 <antarus> alsoSwifT: sure +Mar 15 15:20:59 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: is that an offer to contact them on a new release +Mar 15 15:21:02 <antarus> and by sure, I mean I am not volunteering to do this ;) +Mar 15 15:21:15 <alsoSwifT> antarus learns fast :) +Mar 15 15:21:18 <NeddySeagoon> They have OVH in their name too. There is no grounds for confusion +Mar 15 15:21:45 <antarus> meh +Mar 15 15:21:59 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yes. I looked at their Gentoo for all of 30 min before I wiped it +Mar 15 15:22:04 <antarus> if pepsi starting selling "Pepsi Coke" I think there would still be a problem ;) +Mar 15 15:22:37 <NeddySeagoon> .. and the 2 is their version, not ours +Mar 15 15:22:54 <antarus> so who is on the hook for contacting OVH? +Mar 15 15:23:25 <NeddySeagoon> It soulds like me, as I will have a server there until 20 March +Mar 15 15:23:33 <antarus> ok, thanks neddy +Mar 15 15:23:45 <antarus> any other business from you? +Mar 15 15:23:45 <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: thanks :) +Mar 15 15:23:55 <NeddySeagoon> I'll share a draft on the alias +Mar 15 15:24:34 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers ... up to your oxters in nappies? +Mar 15 15:24:50 <antarus> he isn't here, and he didn't reply to my text +Mar 15 15:24:59 <antarus> when did we last hear from him? +Mar 15 15:25:22 <Betelgeuse> it's been quite a while since I last remember seeing him in a meeting +Mar 15 15:25:28 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, Its Mothers day in the UK too. Does the USA keep that? +Mar 15 15:25:38 <antarus> NeddySeagoon: thats in May in US +Mar 15 15:25:45 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, last year +Mar 15 15:25:48 <antarus> I saw Matt in person +Mar 15 15:25:52 <antarus> in..the fall sometime +Mar 15 15:26:22 <NeddySeagoon> alsoSwifT, Gentoo Trademark License Agreement +Mar 15 15:26:23 <antarus> he was thinking of moving house to the bay area; we had dinner, unsure what happened after that +Mar 15 15:26:45 <antarus> I will attempt to get a hold of matt for the next meeting; I'm a bit concerned +Mar 15 15:26:50 <alsoSwifT> gentoo ev is currently discussing their further steps in the general state (of gentoo ev) +Mar 15 15:27:07 <dabbott> the last meeting he was at was in Aug http://www.gentoo.org//foundation/en/minutes/2014/ +Mar 15 15:27:11 <alsoSwifT> part of that is also the copyright stuff +Mar 15 15:27:23 <NeddySeagoon> alsoSwifT, Is there something we can help the e.V. with? +Mar 15 15:27:41 <alsoSwifT> one of the people that is offering help is a lawyer, so they can look into changes of teh copyright assignment they use +Mar 15 15:27:55 <NeddySeagoon> alsoSwifT, sounds good +Mar 15 15:27:55 <alsoSwifT> and then see if we can consolidate them +Mar 15 15:28:03 <NeddySeagoon> yep +Mar 15 15:28:06 <alsoSwifT> but they do ask for some time to get things straightened out +Mar 15 15:28:26 <alsoSwifT> i personally don't see a problem with waiting to see how things go further +Mar 15 15:28:30 <antarus> thanks dabbott +Mar 15 15:28:30 <alsoSwifT> (no pressure on our side) +Mar 15 15:28:31 <NeddySeagoon> In the interests of harmony, thats probably a good idea +Mar 15 15:29:02 <Betelgeuse> ok fo rme too +Mar 15 15:29:02 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs +Mar 15 15:29:03 <alsoSwifT> i think so too. Not wait indefinitely, but as long as things are progressing ;) +Mar 15 15:29:12 <antarus> dabbott: (last email I have from him is 12/4/2014) +Mar 15 15:29:15 <NeddySeagoon> alsoSwifT, agreed +Mar 15 15:29:20 <NeddySeagoon> Bugs +Mar 15 15:29:44 <NeddySeagoon> Bug 536668: Grammar bug leads to wrong interpretation of social contract +Mar 15 15:29:46 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/536668 "Grammar bug leads to wrong interpretation of social contract"; Websites, Other; CONF; dberkholz:trustees +Mar 15 15:30:56 <NeddySeagoon> I've commented on the bug ... any other comments? +Mar 15 15:31:23 <antarus> I'm happy to amend the contract per item 0 +Mar 15 15:31:35 <Betelgeuse> I would not involve trustees in the first instance +Mar 15 15:31:37 <alsoSwifT> isn't it more than we would like to keep stuff closed to a group of people when the information can harm people or projects? +Mar 15 15:31:38 <antarus> I'm not really willing to have the trustees review all bugs, that seems a bit heavy +Mar 15 15:32:04 <antarus> In the end I feel like the social contract is a set of guidelines; I don't want to restrict what we can / will do +Mar 15 15:32:15 <antarus> but merely say that our actions are guided by these goals +Mar 15 15:32:17 <antarus> if that makes sense +Mar 15 15:32:28 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, I don't like the "request not to publicize before a certain deadline." bit +Mar 15 15:32:40 <antarus> its intended for security embargo +Mar 15 15:32:57 <Betelgeuse> I think we should spin that through the gentoo-project mailing list for bikeshedding any way +Mar 15 15:32:59 <antarus> but if yuo don't like it we can leave it off; I agree it isn't necessary +Mar 15 15:33:06 <Betelgeuse> And decide in the next meeting +Mar 15 15:33:13 <antarus> I don't thinnk the social contract should list how we necessarily handle all bugs +Mar 15 15:33:19 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, Agreed. So no change required then, we agree an interpretatiton then use it going forward +Mar 15 15:33:21 <antarus> thats not the contracts purpose +Mar 15 15:34:07 <antarus> hrm, I should probably find my bugzilla password ;) +Mar 15 15:34:19 <alsoSwifT> we can discuss it on -nfp or -project indeed and see if we can put it on the agenda of a meeting when a consensus is reached (or a set of possible alterations of the contract to vote on) +Mar 15 15:34:35 <NeddySeagoon> antarus OK. As long as we can keep bugs with developer contact details closed indefinately +Mar 15 15:34:54 <alsoSwifT> yes, personal information should remain private as not to harm anyone +Mar 15 15:35:12 <alsoSwifT> "dox'ing" is not what we do :p +Mar 15 15:35:39 <NeddySeagoon> We are agreed to bikesheding new wording on -project then ? +Mar 15 15:36:10 <antarus> yes +Mar 15 15:36:36 <NeddySeagoon> WFM - feel free to kick off the debate +Mar 15 15:36:55 <alsoSwifT> shall I do the honors? +Mar 15 15:37:07 <alsoSwifT> (yes, that's mee volunteering to kick off the debate ;-) +Mar 15 15:37:07 <Betelgeuse> feel free +Mar 15 15:37:15 <alsoSwifT> ok, will do +Mar 15 15:37:22 <NeddySeagoon> alsoSwifT, a volunteer is worth 10 pressed men ... please do +Mar 15 15:37:22 <dabbott> thanks alsoSwifT +Mar 15 15:37:46 <NeddySeagoon> New Business +Mar 15 15:38:12 <NeddySeagoon> Gentoo joining NTP Consortium what does the team think ? +Mar 15 15:38:39 <NeddySeagoon> This came up before the trustees election and got dropped +Mar 15 15:39:09 <Betelgeuse> From what I remember the terms where fine. We can always quit if we don't like it down the road. +Mar 15 15:39:39 <alsoSwifT> I'm neutral on the matter; I don't see much benefit but I can be wrong +Mar 15 15:40:10 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, Thats my reccolection too. I'm not overy sure what we each get out of it, beyond a link exchange +Mar 15 15:41:04 <alsoSwifT> as long as it's not with that heavy membership due that they have on their site (iirc, the terms we had was not with that due) +Mar 15 15:41:13 <antarus> alsoSwifT: we have better terms +Mar 15 15:41:30 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, I recall you suggesting on a ml that nobody should use ntp +Mar 15 15:41:44 <antarus> that is orthogonal to the NTF though +Mar 15 15:41:59 <antarus> ntp is basically a buggy piece of crap, but I think part of the idea behind the ntf is to fix it +Mar 15 15:42:12 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, OK +Mar 15 15:42:25 <antarus> time management in general is like a wizard art +Mar 15 15:42:31 <NeddySeagoon> Is there a motion to consider? +Mar 15 15:42:36 <Betelgeuse> I need to get away. I support the new member. I assume my departure won't remove quorum? +Mar 15 15:42:50 <antarus> anyway, teh terms as discussed in email are favorable; I'm neutral as well, we may as well join until the membership terms become unfavorable +Mar 15 15:42:57 <alsoSwifT> agreed +Mar 15 15:43:04 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, Nope. A quorum is only counted at the start +Mar 15 15:43:10 <alsoSwifT> Betelgeuse: your support for the new member is noted, and no, quorum is not violated ;) +Mar 15 15:43:26 <antarus> motion to consider joining the NTF +Mar 15 15:43:31 <Betelgeuse> agree +Mar 15 15:43:36 <Betelgeuse> yey +Mar 15 15:43:37 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, thats the one +Mar 15 15:43:37 <Betelgeuse> yay +Mar 15 15:43:40 <alsoSwifT> aye +Mar 15 15:43:44 <antarus> aye +Mar 15 15:43:44 <NeddySeagoon> yes +Mar 15 15:43:51 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Mar 15 15:44:06 <Betelgeuse> Thanks. Bye. +Mar 15 15:44:09 <antarus> bye! +Mar 15 15:44:19 <alsoSwifT> bye +Mar 15 15:44:26 <dabbott> Betelgeuse: later :) +Mar 15 15:44:40 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, please write to the NTF and detemine the next steps +Mar 15 15:44:46 <NeddySeagoon> bye +Mar 15 15:44:54 <dabbott> ok +Mar 15 15:45:19 <NeddySeagoon> down to Membership Applications +Mar 15 15:45:40 <NeddySeagoon> Andrew Savchenko (bircoph) dev +Mar 15 15:45:49 <NeddySeagoon> I vote yes +Mar 15 15:45:52 <antarus> aye +Mar 15 15:45:53 <alsoSwifT> I'm in favor (so "aye") +Mar 15 15:45:59 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, voted yes +Mar 15 15:46:08 <NeddySeagoon> carried +Mar 15 15:46:20 <NeddySeagoon> Cleanup +Mar 15 15:46:36 <NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 19 April 2015 19:00 UTC +Mar 15 15:46:43 <NeddySeagoon> Works for me. +Mar 15 15:46:48 <alsoSwifT> wfm +Mar 15 15:46:56 <antarus> I may be missing that month, but don't bother to plan around +Mar 15 15:46:58 <antarus> travel is crazy +Mar 15 15:47:29 <NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse is gone ... so its OK +Mar 15 15:47:34 <NeddySeagoon> Any other business +Mar 15 15:47:39 <alsoSwifT> none from me +Mar 15 15:47:48 <NeddySeagoon> none from me +Mar 15 15:47:54 <antarus> williamh requested we consider terminating foundation membership of igli +Mar 15 15:49:13 <antarus> crickets eh +Mar 15 15:49:15 <alsoSwifT> i don't think we have a valid reason to do so - I can't access my mails right now, but as long as he does not harm to the foundation or the project? +Mar 15 15:49:19 <NeddySeagoon> We don't have a process for that sort of thing - if we are going to look into terminating memberships we need to be sure its done using a fair and consistent process +Mar 15 15:49:31 <antarus> I actually disagree +Mar 15 15:49:40 <antarus> there are no requirements to be fair, or consistent +Mar 15 15:49:46 <antarus> ;p +Mar 15 15:50:12 <antarus> The bylaws state: "" Membership may be terminated by a majority vote of the board of trustees +Mar 15 15:50:15 <antarus> in the event that any member acts contrary to the purpose(s) of the +Mar 15 15:50:17 <NeddySeagoon> Thats like saying that there are no requirements to be honest eithr +Mar 15 15:50:17 <antarus> Gentoo Foundation." +Mar 15 15:50:42 <antarus> NeddySeagoon: bwahahah ;) +Mar 15 15:51:20 <antarus> I think this is just the American in me bleeding through +Mar 15 15:51:26 <NeddySeagoon> I don't think that there are any grounds for this action +Mar 15 15:51:37 <alsoSwifT> if we would want to terminate someone (in this case, igli) then we need to assess if his/her actions are against the purpose(s) of the Gentoo Foundation (i.e. intellectual property handling of Gentoo assets, financial handling, ...) +Mar 15 15:52:05 <antarus> williamh cannot be here, so It is up to me to represent his argument +Mar 15 15:52:53 <NeddySeagoon> Has anyone asked igli to be here? +Mar 15 15:53:07 <dabbott> alsoSwifT: makes a valid point, williams complaint is more personal +Mar 15 15:53:57 <NeddySeagoon> I can see us wanting to bang heads together but no more. +Mar 15 15:54:17 <antarus> If you read a bunch of stuff on http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/ +Mar 15 15:55:03 <antarus> basically it talks about the community, and how it needs to be cooperative, and so forth +Mar 15 15:55:45 <alsoSwifT> it also talks about foundation's purpose; the closest I get to cases like this is adherence to the social contract +Mar 15 15:55:55 <antarus> pretty much, right +Mar 15 15:56:01 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, I don't see igli being uncooperative. Nobody likes or gets on with everyone. Thats the real world +Mar 15 15:56:14 <antarus> I'm going to use a horrible argument now +Mar 15 15:56:34 <antarus> Imagine if we had a foundation member who was openly racist against a particular group +Mar 15 15:56:55 <antarus> and someone in that group was harmed, and petittioned to have the membership of the racist person terminated +Mar 15 15:57:16 <antarus> Would you feel that was in our pervue, givin the bylaws? +Mar 15 15:57:26 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, for someone my age, its no ahorrible argument and its very common in my age group +Mar 15 15:57:38 <antarus> This is basically the argument I believe william is trying to make +Mar 15 15:58:25 <antarus> NeddySeagoon: well in America, this argument is very polarizing, so I didn't particularly want to use it, but i think it gets the point across. +Mar 15 15:59:12 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, in such a case I would vote No. Its nothing more than a reflection of the real world and the Foundation is a microcosom of the real world +Mar 15 15:59:13 <alsoSwifT> it's not a horrible argument; personally I don't think we have grounds to terminate this membership. if we want to do this, we would need to update our bylaws first as to amend that it is not solely to gentoo foundation's purpose, but also gentoo's spirit and/or code-of-conduct or whatever +Mar 15 15:59:15 <antarus> If you want to argue that this is not in our pervue, because these sorts of activities do not go against the purposes of the foundation; I can at least see that argument ;) +Mar 15 15:59:34 <alsoSwifT> if someone murdered someone else, would that be a valid cause? +Mar 15 15:59:34 <antarus> (the purposes of the foundation being quite narrowly defined.) +Mar 15 16:00:07 <alsoSwifT> is it (absolutely) wrong behavior? sure (both of them of course, just polarizing here further) +Mar 15 16:00:08 <antarus> that would depend, is the victim a foundation member or officer? :) +Mar 15 16:00:18 <alsoSwifT> heh +Mar 15 16:00:49 <antarus> I will chat with william, and he may ask us to amend the bylaws +Mar 15 16:00:51 <antarus> just fyi ;) +Mar 15 16:01:24 <antarus> no more business from me +Mar 15 16:02:36 <antarus> meeting log, who is posting? +Mar 15 16:02:40 <antarus> I didn't log, so it isn't me +Mar 15 16:02:50 <dabbott> I will update the agenda,motions,meeting logs and send the email to the NTF +Mar 15 16:02:52 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, I'm old and cynical. I remember 'bussing' in the USA. It was all quite normal then. I see this as personal issue between a foundation member and non member. I don't see any benefit to the foundation +Mar 15 16:03:08 <alsoSwifT> dabbott: thanks +Mar 15 16:03:17 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks +Mar 15 16:03:20 <antarus> NeddySeagoon: fwiw I don't necessarily disagree with you; but I'm also not a minority +Mar 15 16:03:37 <NeddySeagoon> Open Floor +Mar 15 16:03:52 <antarus> dabbott: thanks as always +Mar 15 16:04:06 <dabbott> np your welcome +Mar 15 16:04:11 <NeddySeagoon> antarus, I am but you don't need to know why +Mar 15 16:04:57 <alsoSwifT> if there are no other businesses, I'll shut down my laptop and continue driving on the highway :p +Mar 15 16:05:03 <antarus> yes, I need to go house hunting +Mar 15 16:05:12 <antarus> so if business is concluded; lets dash +Mar 15 16:05:13 <alsoSwifT> (currently parked - no worries) +Mar 15 16:05:25 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting +Mar 15 16:05:30 <alsoSwifT> thanks all +Mar 15 16:05:37 <NeddySeagoon> Thanks all + |