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19:00 <@ajak> meeting time!
19:00 <@ajak> 1. Roll call
19:00 <@ajak> !proj council
19:00 <willikins> (council@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, mattst88, mgorny, sam, soap, ulm
19:00  * ajak here
19:00  * dilfridge here
19:00  * ulm here
19:00  * soap here
19:00  * mgorny here
19:00  * sam_ here
19:01 <@sam_> you better not take long, wales are playing
19:01 <@soap> sam watches rugby?
19:01 <@ajak> the ball is in matt's.. court
19:01 <@dilfridge> having a wale of a time
19:01 <@soap> SAD
19:01 <@sam_> national sport innit
19:01 <@soap> so is cricket and it blows?
19:02 <@sam_> please don't compare this to cricket
19:02 <@ajak> lol
19:02 <@ajak> any sign of matt?
19:03 <@sam_> I last saw him about 2 hours ago
19:04 <@ajak> ok, with a relatively light agenda i think it's not the end of the world if we continue, maybe he shows up later
19:04 <@ajak> 2. Foundation dissolution status update
19:04 <@ajak> ulm: any update here? what's happened since the last meeting?
19:04 <@dilfridge> I guess the big news is that we now have a full (and fully known) set of trustees :)
19:05 <@soap> half of them council members :D
19:05 <@sam_> no more quantum trustees
19:05 <@ulm> right, we've appointed 3 trustees, so the board is now complete again
19:05 <@ajak> dilfridge: indeed, congratulations on your board membership
19:05 <@dilfridge> thanks
19:06 <@ajak> what's next on that front?
19:06 <@ulm> for the record, board members are dilfridge, prometheanfire, robbat2, soap, ulm
19:07 <@ulm> I've received an archive of mail to trustees@ of the last 3 years, but haven't found the time yet to sift through all of it
19:07 <@ajak> need to sift through it to find the history of contact with umbrellas?
19:07 <@ulm> yes
19:07 <@sam_> and avoid any other nasty surprises
19:08 <@ajak> so we're still set on the OCF umbrella? or what?
19:08 <@ulm> my impression so far is that we must restart the process in any case, with whatever umbrella
19:09 <@ulm> OCF, OSF, SPI or LF
19:09 <@dilfridge> ftr I already suggested privately that the foundation should maybe fund / support a private get-together of previous and current north-american trustees, with the specific purpose of *updating bank account signees*
19:09 <@sam_> my understanding was sort of that we were left with little choice wrt OCF (not that they're necessarily something we wouldn't choose) because of previous actions
19:09 <@sam_> so a restart might mean we re-evaluate all of that
19:09 <@ajak> so we're re-evaluating them all
19:09 <@dilfridge> I'd say yes
19:10 <@soap> I thought SPI was the most natural choice
19:10 <@dilfridge> me too
19:10 <@sam_> dilfridge: yes, that feels like an easy win and a natural thing to do, given the current signatory situation
19:10 <@sam_> possibly sorting out the electronic vs fax thing too for the invoices/etc
19:10 <@ajak> ok, wfm, and i guess it'd be a little early to have a serious conversation as council about which to go with
19:10 <@ulm> it's also not completely clear to me what the implications of 501c3 (charity) vs 501c6 (trade association) are, wrt to restrictions imposed on us
19:10 <@ulm> SPI and OCF would be 3, OSF would be 6
19:10 <@sam_> yeah, it's kind of tragic how we have to try learn US law in order to stop worrying so much about US law (by having someone else handle a lot of it)
19:11 <@dilfridge> 3 has the advantage that donations are federal tax-deductible, which means it may be easier to get muchos dolares
19:11 <@ulm> not sure about LF, probably 501c6?
19:11 <@ajak> yes
19:12 <@ajak> ok, so maybe by next meeting we'll try reaching out to whichever we find most suitable?
19:13 <@ulm> preferably we should have a trustees meeting before that
19:14 <@ulm> but it's not an absolute prerequisite
19:14 <@ajak> when's the next trustees meeting?
19:14 <@ulm> very good question :/
19:14 <@ulm> no date for it yet
19:14 <@soap> robbat2: ideas?
19:14 <@dilfridge> we still need to project it onto a date
19:15 <@sam_> that's the only thing worrying me a bit
19:15 <@ajak> i'm hesitant to assent to another dependency on trustees for moving forward with this
19:16 <@ulm> that's why I said "preferably"
19:17 <@ajak> ok, so let's try deciding on who we want to reach out to again and reaching out for the next council meeting
19:17 <@ajak> and if trustees meeting happens at an opportune ordering with the next meeting, great
19:18 <@dilfridge> I guess the main item to be sorted out first is c3 vs c5
19:18 <@ulm> s/5/6/?
19:18 <@dilfridge> Once we know we're good with one or both of them, that gives us... yes
19:18 <@ajak> yes (but doesn't need to happen synchronously)
19:20 <@ajak> ok, next topic?
19:21 <@ajak> 3. Open bugs with council participation [1]
19:21 <@ajak> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council#Open_bugs_with_Council_participation
19:21  * ajak blinks
19:21 <@ajak> no bugs?
19:21 <@dilfridge> bug-free gentoo!
19:21 <@sam_> let's close up shop lads
19:22 <@ajak> \o/
19:22 <@ajak> ok then that brings us to:
19:22 <@ajak> 4. Open floor
19:22  * mgorny likes boring meetings
19:22  * ajak will timeout in 2m if nothing comes up
19:22 <turret> hi
19:23 <@dilfridge> lo!
19:23 <@sam_> nothing from me and I've no appetite for anything much else at the moment until the Foundation stuff is sorted, given it's so important
19:23 <@sam_> so i'm not really in ideas mode
19:23 <@dilfridge> turret: what's up
19:23 <turret> i would suggest going for a 501c3 (gentoo could definitely class as charitable and educational) plus as dilfridge noted its tax deductable
19:24 <turret> def. some more legal requirements but ideally an umbrella would handle those
19:25 <@ajak> requirements of the umbrella are surely going to be a superset of the legal requirements of a 501c3
19:25 <@ajak> like, the legal ramifications don't go away with the umbrella
19:25 <@ulm> yes
19:25 <turret> yeah i'd think so aswell
19:26 <pietinger> do we know if there is a back tax payment under US law when a 501c3 corporation is merged into a 501c6 corporation ?
19:26 <@ajak> ok, anything else for open floor?
19:26 <@ajak> ah
19:27 <@ajak> i'm not sure that's relevant for us being neither status?
19:27 <@dilfridge> pietinger: I guess the plan would be not to merge, but to transfer assets and dissolve... (also you got it backwards)
19:27 <@dilfridge> gentoo foundation is 501c6
19:27 <@ulm> dilfridge: nope, it isn't
19:28 <@ajak> "The Gentoo Foundation is incorporated as a domestic non-for-profit corporation in the state of New Mexico. It has no special IRS designation and files paperwork as a normal corporation." according to https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Main_Page
19:28 <@ulm> it's a normal corporation that pays taxes
19:28 <@sam_> ajak: the "not-for-profit" bit there is very misleading btw
19:28 <@dilfridge> ergh.
19:28 <@sam_> we discussed that in the past with antarus
19:28 <@sam_> he added that last sentence to try clarify it, but I think it doesn't help the confusion
19:28 <@dilfridge> ok one more reason to get rid of it
19:28 <@ajak> lol
19:28 <@sam_> we have no non-profit legal status right now at all
19:28 <@ulm> IIUC it has NFP status in New Mexico but not for the IRS
19:28 <@sam_> (afaik)
19:28 <@sam_> ah
19:29 <turret> NFP status in new mexico probably lowers franchise taxes to stay incorperated
19:29 <@ajak> right, it's a state thing rather than federal? but maybe new mexican tax statuses are particularly funny here
19:29 <@dilfridge> we don't really have much business in NM though
19:29  * ulm has no idea about US law
19:29 <@ulm> or NM law
19:29 <@ajak> anyway i'm not sure we should burden everyone's time with US/NM tax law bikeshed :)
19:30  * dilfridge wonders if there is anything in NM except Los Alamos and aliens
19:30  * ajak bangs gavel